German Tourist Stabbed To Death In Samui

[bridge2bridge]

I dont put my foot on Samui anymore, full of mafia, thai and farang and stupid backpackers drinking whatever is given to them. My daughters have strict orders from dad, stay away from Pukhet and Samui. This two places are now becoming danger spots for foreigners, whatever the thai tourist board is trying make u believe. I have seen over the years, that Thailand, from being a very safe place to have your holiday or to retire to, have become quite a dangerous place. And please don't come with that other places are changing as well,we are now talking about Thailand. Killings, murders are now everyday news . This country is slowly becoming a dangerous place to visit and to stay,and i think statistic will prove me right. But i guess the thais will never release a statistic which shows the truth. Yes i can move, and yes i am considering this, and so are a lot of people know.

I gave the same advice to my two daughters.

I used to go to Phuket nd Samui often.

NOT ANY MORE, now i go to Krabi, until it is ruined by the mafia like the othr two are.

[howzat]

I have been here 15 years and can say I have never seen any violence.my original home NottinghM is the gun capital of Uk but again never witnessed any violence. Suppose it's all down to who you mix with and where you go and start throwing your weight around then you'll find trouble.

[theajarn]

I dont put my foot on Samui anymore, full of mafia, thai and farang and stupid backpackers drinking whatever is given to them. My daughters have strict orders from dad, stay away from Pukhet and Samui. This two places are now becoming danger spots for foreigners, whatever the thai tourist board is trying make u believe. I have seen over the years, that Thailand, from being a very safe place to have your holiday or to retire to, have become quite a dangerous place. And please don't come with that other places are changing as well,we are now talking about Thailand. Killings, murders are now everyday news . This country is slowly becoming a dangerous place to visit and to stay,and i think statistic will prove me right. But i guess the thais will never release a statistic which shows the truth. Yes i can move, and yes i am considering this, and so are a lot of people know.

I'm not moving because of the danger. I'm moving because of the stupidity.

[sunshine51]

Rest in Peace Mr. Thomas Gleich...Rest in Peace.

[The Oracle]

I would think highly likely passed out due to blood loss whilst fleeing. Stab victims often dont know they have been stabbed.

doesn't it hurt???????????

Depends where you are stabbed. I've had the unfortunate experience of being stabbed on three separate occasions - in my case it used to be an occupational hazard. The lower arms didn't hurt much until one hit the bone and that hurt like a b^&^&*rd. In the second instance I was stabbed in the upper inside leg and I thought the guy had only punched me. It was only after a colleague pointed out the dark stain on my (dark) trousers that I investigated, finding semi-coagulated blood from a 2cm deep wound which the hospital said was only millimetres from my femoral artery. Finally, the head hurts. A lot. All bone, see. This is only my personal experience.

[Lesson Ends LOL]

Best advice, of course, is to just either a) don't get yourself in a position where an altercation can occur; and b: if "a" can't be avoided: get away and leave your ego bruised but your body intact.

Edited October 2, 2012 by The Oracle

[Rooo]

Several inappropriate, insensitive, racist posts removed.

[Farangdam]

to much story from this 2 places one after another......boycott phuket and samui so the business people there eat crap. they don't bother to look after their place and not appreciating tourist anymore.... love pattaya as ever.

[notime]

to much story from this 2 places one after another......boycott phuket and samui so the business people there eat crap. they don't bother to look after their place and not appreciating tourist anymore.... love pattaya as ever.

Wow .. really? Does Pattaya have less crime, less mafia and less "accidents" like this?

[catweazle]

Funny how this half-baked story managed to again spark another heated discussion about which place is the worst to live in in Thailand. Liked the info about stab wounds though... Will be pretty difficult to ride away on a bike after receiving several stab wounds to head and neck... Listen to TunnelRat - he's been there, done that...

However - the German news article says that most likely the wounds were inflicted by the road fender that (on the photo) itself looks more like a deadly weapon than anything that would help to make the road safer. Look at the broken surface of the road next to it, put 2 and 2 together and there you have it: Another day in the office, fatal motorbike accident like they happen by the dozen every day.

http://www.asien-new...-ermordet/15002

In addition, Samui is most likely one of the worst biker destinations in Thailand, whereas Koh Phangan also is very demanding with steep hills and bad curves, and lumps and bumps all over the place...

Just came back from the bike week at Phangan, thus know what I'm talking about.

...and RIP to the poor guy and his family of course.

Edited October 2, 2012 by catweazle

[PoorSucker]

Funny how this half-baked story managed to again spark another heated discussion about which place is the worst to live in in Thailand. Liked the info about stab wounds though... Will be pretty difficult to ride away on a bike after receiving several stab wounds to head and neck... Listen to TunnelRat - he's been there, done that...

However - the German news article says that most likely the wounds were inflicted by the road fender that (on the photo) itself looks more like a deadly weapon than anything that would help to make the road safer. Look at the broken surface of the road next to it, put 2 and 2 together and there you have it: Another day in the office, fatal motorbike accident like they happen by the dozen every day.

http://www.asien-new...-ermordet/15002

In addition, Samui is most likely one of the worst biker destinations in Thailand, whereas Koh Phangan also is very demanding with steep hills and bad curves, and lumps and bumps all over the place...

Just came back from the bike week at Phangan, thus know what I'm talking about.

The photo in the article is not from Samui.

On the road in question there are parts of the road that have nasty barbwire fence.

The road surface has just been tarmacked.

[Rooo]

This topic is based on the original news report. It has since come to light that some aspects might not be correct.

So please bear in mind when posting that relatives of the deceased might be reading all these comments , assumptions etc...

Thanks.

[catweazle]

This topic is based on the original news report. It has since come to light that some aspects might not be correct.

So please bear in mind when posting that relatives of the deceased might be reading all these comments , assumptions etc...

Thanks.

Yupp, but the horse already has bolted... starting with the article itself!

Edited October 2, 2012 by catweazle

[BigC]

Slow down a bit. Who said he was stabbed by a local ?

Assuming is a very bad business, so is crucifying the place without having facts.

May he RIP.

Exactly !

Farangs coming to the defence of another farang victim !!

Too many assumptions and bashings here in ThaiVisa.

Does anyone know the full story as from a proper authorised source?

He could have been stabbed by another German for all we know. I am saying that as an example. The only thing that i know right now from what i have read is that he is dead. The rest of the story is yet to unfold.

RIP

[BigC]

I would think highly likely passed out due to blood loss whilst fleeing. Stab victims often dont know they have been stabbed.

Don't know they have been stabbed?? I was stabbed in Vietnam and felt every milimeter of that bayonet........most likely he was pretty drunk, and the flight or fight reaction was slow to kick in, IF the BiB do a proper investigtion and it doesn't rain, there will be a blood trail to follow - that will determine if he was kniced at the Bar or where they found him, if where they found him, the perp would have at least took his wallet to make it look like a robbery.........

How do u knowwhat they would have done as you do not know what was done. As for following a blood trail back to the bar this is not Hansel and Grettle. Even if he ws stabbed in the bar they use a thing call soap and water to vclean tthings now days so unless they like sitting and drinking in blood they porbably would have cleaned the place pretty quickly. i dunno i am sure more facts shall come out as time passes

[BigC]

This from BKK post.

it said that they found his body next to a motor bike crash. It cold be possible that he was stabbed and he was unable to drive and the crash killed him.

The story does not say that there was a reported stabbing only that the doctor called the police after examining his body? there is obviously allot more to this that we shall not know for a while as only the people in the bar shall know more

Edited October 2, 2012 by Rooo
BKK post link removed.

[ikbenhet]

hmm thailand, a dangerous place or just attract living dangerously?

It just underlines the fact that the type of argument that you might get involved in back home is, in fact, a threat to your very life here in Thailand.

Get involved in an argument with a Thai bloke, and you can be sure that it will very quickly develop into something other than the original one-on-one. That's when these "men" get dangerous and have no qualms about sticking a knife into you!

Try doing that in Cassablanca, Tel Aviv or Amsterdam.

Look at the stabbings in London last year.

Some result.

[Unkomoncents]

No more dangerous than Chicago... and no better odds of the killers going to jail.

You're comparing a city to a country (or island, depending on how you interpret your fairly vague statement). Oh, and also: as another poster has mentioned, danger is a fairly broad term. If you compare the roadway fatalities, disappearances, deaths under suspicious circumstances, etc., etc. and the general public safety record of Thailand and the US, you are pretty much forced to concede that Thailand is much more dangerous than the US on a per capita basis. The US is safer even in the category of "Intentional Homicide" as reported by the UN, which is surprising, given that guns are technically legal (unlike Thailand, where guns are technically illegal [except under unique circumstances requiring a rather expensive bureaucratic procedure] but de facto legal because of the effectiveness of law enforcement).

Edited October 2, 2012 by Unkomoncents

[sirchai]

hmm thailand, a dangerous place or just attract living dangerously?

It just underlines the fact that the type of argument that you might get involved in back home is, in fact, a threat to your very life here in Thailand.

Get involved in an argument with a Thai bloke, and you can be sure that it will very quickly develop into something other than the original one-on-one. That's when these "men" get dangerous and have no qualms about sticking a knife into you!

Try doing that in Cassablanca, Tel Aviv or Amsterdam.

Look at the stabbings in London last year.

Some result.

Please don't go that far. Could happen to you at night in Sisaket, especially when you're looking for troubles........

[Puschl]

Translated from - http://www.asien-new...h-samui-9/14949

The linked German text is full of constructs in English word order and closely matches an article in "the other paper". Notable differences: the German text mentions wounds to the throat (besides head and side of ribs) and speculatively rules out robbery homicide. The transliteration Chaweng-Cherngmont Road for ถนนเฉวง-เชิงมนต์ is the same as used in "the other paper".

In this link

http://www.asien-new...-ermordet/15002

They are saying that the police thinks that the wounds may have been caused by the road fence when he fell of the bike.

Annotated google translation:

Koh Samui - Thailand - German but not killed? [but not killed - not killed after all]

Koh Samui, Thailand - One dead in Thailand on Koh Samui found German was perhaps not yet murdered [perhaps not yet murdered - perhaps not murdered after all] but died of an accident. The police said on the holiday island of Koh Samui on Saturday.

The 49-year-old had been in the early hours of Friday found seriously injured on the road. He died on the way to hospital. The officials spoke initially of injuries [injuries - stabbing wounds]. The man was but crashed [was but crashed - allegedly crashed] his moped into a guardrail on the road, they said Saturday. "The board [board - (guard) rail] has a few sharp edges," said the police spokesman. This would restrict the injuries come [this might have caused the injuries]. The body of the man will [be] autopsied.

She was the stabber? [she was - was she, ie. the guard rail]

When [when - at, with] the man who visited Koh Samui, according to the police often [... - visited Koh Samui often,according to police], cash and credit cards were found. The police had initially speculated on Friday that the man could have fallen into a bar in a dispute [... fallen into a dispute in a bar]. Its [its - his] exact origin [origin - provenance? home address?] was unclear.

Automated translation tools are OK to get the gist of a story, but are truly bad as a basis for further speculation. For instance guard rail probably is the correct translation for Leitplanke (as backed up by the stock photo on the linked page), but that doesn't necessarily mean that it was indeed that type of guard rail.

RIP Mr. Gleich

[catweazle]

I would think highly likely passed out due to blood loss whilst fleeing. Stab victims often dont know they have been stabbed.

Don't know they have been stabbed?? I was stabbed in Vietnam and felt every milimeter of that bayonet........most likely he was pretty drunk, and the flight or fight reaction was slow to kick in, IF the BiB do a proper investigtion and it doesn't rain, there will be a blood trail to follow - that will determine if he was kniced at the Bar or where they found him, if where they found him, the perp would have at least took his wallet to make it look like a robbery.........

How do u knowwhat they would have done as you do not know what was done. As for following a blood trail back to the bar this is not Hansel and Grettle. Even if he ws stabbed in the bar they use a thing call soap and water to vclean tthings now days so unless they like sitting and drinking in blood they porbably would have cleaned the place pretty quickly. i dunno i am sure more facts shall come out as time passes

Serious crackdown on drunk posters please What exactly are you trying to say or not to say, or do you say so and what is said or not said was basically meant to simply quote a Shakespearish "To say or not to say, that is the question!" ??? Or did you opt to do and say what better should not be said or done...?

Edited October 2, 2012 by catweazle

[lovelaos]

Thailand the only country where the victim is always guilty

another innocent bites the dust on the blades of the crazed yaba fueled thai gangs members, Thailand is slowly but surely becoming one of the most dangerous places in the world

RIP Thomas

Do you really believe what you wrote here? Surely you can't be serious...

[Tropicalevo]

Thailand the only country where the victim is always guilty

another innocent bites the dust on the blades of the crazed yaba fueled thai gangs members, Thailand is slowly but surely becoming one of the most dangerous places in the world

RIP Thomas

What a dumb post

And you got your information where exactly? Probably the same place that states that Hitler and Elvis are alive and living together on the moon.

at least I don't live in denial Truth is Thailand is not safe anymore for foreigners

I see that you did not answer my question. Just another sarcastic 'witty' comment.

My wife and I (both from the UK) have lived in Thailand on and off since 1993. We have lived on Samui full time since 2000. Neither of us has been threatened, attacked or even verbally abused in any bar, restaurant, night club or even just walking down the street. In fact, most of the time we are greeted with smiles and people just wanting a chat.

Where or what are we in danger from? Please enlighten me with your wealth of experience.

If you want dangerous places - try a walking safari in Kenya with a pxssed-off drunk elephant charging you, or better still - try walking out of a bank with a cash withdrawel in Birmingham and getting to your car without being mugged.

[annabel]

hmm thailand, a dangerous place or just attract living dangerously?

Thailand is not more unsafe than any other country, I been to places farang never go, never had any problems, actually I feel safer in these places than in many other European places.

Clearly you've never been to South Korea (I lived there for a year) or Japan, or you wouldn't bother with such a ridiculous comment. Those two countries that are way, way, way safer than Thailand any day and any way you want to skew it.

And you really would want to live there ...? South Korea...I mean forever ?? Japan... ?? Hell go for it but nah!! I'd rather be here than there for sure !!! I'm safe and sound here for the past 5 years ... Pfff!!

Edited October 2, 2012 by annabel

[catweazle]

Thailand the only country where the victim is always guilty

another innocent bites the dust on the blades of the crazed yaba fueled thai gangs members, Thailand is slowly but surely becoming one of the most dangerous places in the world

RIP Thomas

What a dumb post

And you got your information where exactly? Probably the same place that states that Hitler and Elvis are alive and living together on the moon.

at least I don't live in denial Truth is Thailand is not safe anymore for foreigners

I see that you did not answer my question. Just another sarcastic 'witty' comment.

My wife and I (both from the UK) have lived in Thailand on and off since 1993. We have lived on Samui full time since 2000. Neither of us has been threatened, attacked or even verbally abused in any bar, restaurant, night club or even just walking down the street. In fact, most of the time we are greeted with smiles and people just wanting a chat.

Where or what are we in danger from? Please enlighten me with your wealth of experience.

If you want dangerous places - try a walking safari in Kenya with a pxssed-off drunk elephant charging you, or better still - try walking out of a bank with a cash withdrawel in Birmingham and getting to your car without being mugged.

@ Tropicalevo: Have to fully agree!!!!! I'm permanently living here for 21 years and have never been robbed, mugged, stabbed or anything like it by any locals. The people most dangerous to me here in Thailand were my own fellow countrymen, who often had nothing else on their mind than to cheat, steel and rob business parters of their assets, shares and even girlfriends... I believe that Thailand is a pretty safe country to visit compared to many others. Funny is that many Americans and Englishmen post here over and over that Thailand is getting "ooooohhhh so dangerous!" while crime rates skyrocket in their own countries. To them from me a "Shut up! And wake up!"

Edited October 2, 2012 by catweazle

[annabel]

Thailand the only country where the victim is always guilty

another innocent bites the dust on the blades of the crazed yaba fueled thai gangs members, Thailand is slowly but surely becoming one of the most dangerous places in the world

RIP Thomas

What a dumb post

And you got your information where exactly? Probably the same place that states that Hitler and Elvis are alive and living together on the moon.

at least I don't live in denial Truth is Thailand is not safe anymore for foreigners

I see that you did not answer my question. Just another sarcastic 'witty' comment.

My wife and I (both from the UK) have lived in Thailand on and off since 1993. We have lived on Samui full time since 2000. Neither of us has been threatened, attacked or even verbally abused in any bar, restaurant, night club or even just walking down the street. In fact, most of the time we are greeted with smiles and people just wanting a chat.

Where or what are we in danger from? Please enlighten me with your wealth of experience.

If you want dangerous places - try a walking safari in Kenya with a pxssed-off drunk elephant charging you, or better still - try walking out of a bank with a cash withdrawel in Birmingham and getting to your car without being mugged.

Or try walking through Central Park in New York after 6 pm and lately ... even in the afternoon...OR the Bronx, OR Harlem OR try going unescorted /solo in public transportation in any city in South Africa be it Cape Town, Durban, or Johannesburg ... Really Thailand is very safe in comparison.!!!!

Edited October 2, 2012 by annabel

[MILT]

I dont put my foot on Samui anymore, full of mafia, thai and farang and stupid backpackers drinking whatever is given to them. My daughters have strict orders from dad, stay away from Pukhet and Samui. This two places are now becoming danger spots for foreigners, whatever the thai tourist board is trying make u believe. I have seen over the years, that Thailand, from being a very safe place to have your holiday or to retire to, have become quite a dangerous place. And please don't come with that other places are changing as well,we are now talking about Thailand. Killings, murders are now everyday news . This country is slowly becoming a dangerous place to visit and to stay,and i think statistic will prove me right. But i guess the thais will never release a statistic which shows the truth. Yes i can move, and yes i am considering this, and so are a lot of people know.

My sons best friend did 2 tours in Iraq and 1 in Afghanistan. He was 29 years old. Six weeks after he returned to civilization he was shot and died from his wounds. Go Figure?? When you and the "lot of people you know" get to wherever you all are going I will bet my shirt that there will be killings going on everyday. News of people being murdered is sad and can be depressing. If you do find paradise be sure to keep it safe.

[RichardinBKK]

Slow down a bit. Who said the stab wounds caused his death? Who said he was stabbed by a local ?

Assuming is a very bad business, so is crucifying the place without having facts.

May he RIP.

Thank you for this thoughtful reply. It is prety rare in TV to see soemone say, "Get the facts BEFORE you get the opinion" Well done!

[Evergreen]

Thailand the only country where the victim is always guilty

another innocent bites the dust on the blades of the crazed yaba fueled thai gangs members, Thailand is slowly but surely becoming one of the most dangerous places in the world

RIP Thomas

What a dumb post

And you got your information where exactly? Probably the same place that states that Hitler and Elvis are alive and living together on the moon.

at least I don't live in denial Truth is Thailand is not safe anymore for foreigners

I see that you did not answer my question. Just another sarcastic 'witty' comment.

My wife and I (both from the UK) have lived in Thailand on and off since 1993. We have lived on Samui full time since 2000. Neither of us has been threatened, attacked or even verbally abused in any bar, restaurant, night club or even just walking down the street. In fact, most of the time we are greeted with smiles and people just wanting a chat.

Where or what are we in danger from? Please enlighten me with your wealth of experience.

If you want dangerous places - try a walking safari in Kenya with a pxssed-off drunk elephant charging you, or better still - try walking out of a bank with a cash withdrawel in Birmingham and getting to your car without being mugged.

Agree 100%. I shake my head in disbelief when a news story like this come out and the drama queens that suddenly appear with totally over the top reactions really is quite annoying.

Anyone looking in would think that Samui had murders or severe violence constantly, every day and there was no way anyone was safe to be out after dark which if they have lived here or even visited on a regular basis would know that is a load of utter bull!! Yes, it's not perfect but show me anywhere that is!

We don't even have the exact details as to what really happened yet some of the usual posts stretching of the "facts" and letting their imaginations run away with them as to what went on never fails to amaze.

The only sad fact we do know is that someone has lost their life, please put the imagination to bed and wait on the facts to come out before coming out with ridiculous assumptions, conspiracies and theories as to what happened.

[catweazle]

I dont put my foot on Samui anymore, full of mafia, thai and farang and stupid backpackers drinking whatever is given to them. My daughters have strict orders from dad, stay away from Pukhet and Samui. This two places are now becoming danger spots for foreigners, whatever the thai tourist board is trying make u believe. I have seen over the years, that Thailand, from being a very safe place to have your holiday or to retire to, have become quite a dangerous place. And please don't come with that other places are changing as well,we are now talking about Thailand. Killings, murders are now everyday news . This country is slowly becoming a dangerous place to visit and to stay,and i think statistic will prove me right. But i guess the thais will never release a statistic which shows the truth. Yes i can move, and yes i am considering this, and so are a lot of people know.

How an extensive pile of sh!te like this can become popular with 25 likes is an absolute miracle to me. There were several other and more serious "incidents" in the past in Thailand in other areas who made press, including a popular beach in Krabi becoming "the dead girls' beach" more than 10 years ago after a series of rapes and murders of foreign teenagers there.

Every area here has its flaws, its ups and downs, and Thailand as a whole is not more or less dangerous than ever before (except the traffic perhaps). I am also quite sure that your daughters of course will strictly follow your orders. By setting your "strict orders" you most likely have inspired them now even more to visit your alleged "crime hot spots". Congratulations, Affen-Dad to a failed attempt in making the world a safer place...

...almost forgot; Your daughters must be travelling on a charter tour with Samsonites then, or am I correct when I assume that they are s.... backpackers?

Edited October 2, 2012 by catweazle

[Tanlic]

Slow down a bit. Who said the stab wounds caused his death? Who said he was stabbed by a local ?

Assuming is a very bad business, so is crucifying the place without having facts.

May he RIP.

Thank you for this thoughtful reply. It is prety rare in TV to see soemone say, "Get the facts BEFORE you get the opinion" Well done!

This thread did exceptional it went a full 5 posts before the first troll had a go sarcastically saying it was an accidental stabbing and more or less insinuation a police cover up.

Some are continuously telling all how dangerous Thailand is. They seem totaly blind to the fact there are somewhere between 60 to 75 million people living in Thailand and incidents like this are singled out as they happen in.

As I have pointed out before on here the Crime rate in the UK is 11 times that of Thailand The USA is over 20 times that of Thailand.

Even if you say a lot are not reported here and you trebled the fugures which is ridiculous Thaland is still a safer place to live.

It doesn't surprise me that some farang who continuously slag Thai people and telling the world how stupid they are end up in incidents like this one.

Not for one minute am I saying this was the case here and agree with you whole heartedly until we know we should keep the guessing to a minimum.

Guessing an trolling are done without any concern about the guys family members who might be looking on and these people should be jumped upon from a great height.

RIP and condolences to his family and friends

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