Ulysses G. Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Most comments are calling it a win for Biden, though not a big win. Ryan, though competent, appeared nervous drinking water constantly, and seemed a bit intimidated by Biden. Funny, thats not my opinion but I listened on the radio: my reaction was that it was a draw with little significant coming from either side. I would be surprised if it impacts the polls at all. That was my take too. On substance, it was a draw, but, so far, Biden is getting a lot of criticism from the press for smirking and laughing through the whole debate and even when discussing sensitive subjects. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keemapoot Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 I can't wait to see the SNL and Daily Show takes on this: Biden sitting back smirking, and Ryan leaning into the table nervously endlessly sipping water... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 One liberal commentator just said that Biden did a good job, but his constant smirking worked against him. Chris Wallace said that he has never seen a VP debate where one candidate was so openly disrespectful of the other in modern history - Biden's behavior was "unprecedented." It was still far more interesting than the soozefest of last week. Biden did very well in my opinion.I am looking forward to the TV post debate debate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 One liberal commentator just said that Biden did a good job, but his constant smirking worked against him. Chris Wallace said that he has never seen a VP debate where one candidate was so openly disrespectful of the other in modern history - Biden's behavior was "unprecedented." Young Mr. Ryan was caught fibbing. Sure, Ryan was more stylish, but Biden did what he had to do Biden showed that he was well informed and quick. Ryan was too rehearsed and caught flat footed when he had to back up his statements. Ryan did well and he'll charm alot of women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) Biden's fighting personality is something Romney's "47 percent" can relate to very well as opposed to the stiffness of Ryan. Ryan will charm not so many women. He came out clearly to make abortion illegal! This will fire up the single women demographic that is the key to winning this election. Edited October 12, 2012 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 BTW, if Romney was so good in his one government job leading Massachusetts, why does he have ZERO chance of winning ... Massachusetts? Because Massachusetts is mostly democrats and always votes for democrats in presidential elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asiantravel Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) Joe Biden‘s white, pearly teeth. That’s what the Internet was fixated with during the vice presidential debate http://mashable.com/2012/10/11/joe-bidens-teeth/ Edited October 12, 2012 by Asiantravel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Because Massachusetts is mostly democrats and always votes for democrats in presidential elections. Funny. They made Romney governor. They made Brown senator. Clearly they vote for republicans when they want them. Speaking as a former Massachusetts voter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londoedan Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) Big time win. However much you want this to be true, I just don't see it. Almost all of the post-debate comments I've heard thus far, agree its more of a draw. Edited October 12, 2012 by londoedan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) Young Mr. Ryan was caught fibbing. So far the fact checkers think that it was Biden who was dishonest. Biden said extra security was not requested in Libya, but documents, State Department cables and Congressional testimony just this week show more security for the consulate in Benghazi was requested as early as March 2012. All three also showed U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens received death threats from Al Qaeda in July 2012. And, Biden repeated the untruth that there was a protest outside of the consulate prior to the attack, despite the administration knowing there was no protest and that the attack was an act of terror within 24 hours. On top of that, Biden threw the intelligence community under the bus by claiming that they had given the administration bad intelligence. Edited October 12, 2012 by Ulysses G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) Big time win. However much you want this to be true, I just don't see it. Almost all of the post-debate comments I've heard agree its more of a draw. CBS News Snap Poll:19 % draw 31 % Ryan 50 % Biden I would bet the house that EVERY credible poll you will see in the coming days will CLEARLY show a MASSIVE debate win for Biden. He did his job. The momentum of Romney has now been blocked. Now we'll have to see the momentum changes from neutral to pro Obama. Edited October 12, 2012 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 One liberal commentator just said that Biden did a good job, but his constant smirking worked against him. Chris Wallace said that he has never seen a VP debate where one candidate was so openly disrespectful of the other in modern history - Biden's behavior was "unprecedented." Young Mr. Ryan was caught fibbing. Sure, Ryan was more stylish, but Biden did what he had to do Biden showed that he was well informed and quick. Ryan was too rehearsed and caught flat footed when he had to back up his statements. Ryan did well and he'll charm alot of women. This is it. Biden needed to really put the boot in,so Biden put the boot in. Politics is a dirty business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) Jingthing isn't running for president. It's Obama vs. Romney. And thanks to Obama's feisty fighting VP, Obama's prospects for reelection have been greatly been enhanced today. Again, I defy anyone to come up with even one credible poll in the next days showing the public thinks Ryan won this debate. You won't. Romney supporters, you should probably move on, lick your wounds, and look to the next two presidential debates. Because today was a very bad day for Romney supporters, and no amount of wishing, spin, or complaining about Biden's amusing folksy facial expressions is going to change that. Edited October 12, 2012 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coma Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Young Ryan seems to be a pleasant enough young man with it all before him and will no doubt learn alot from the experience. It is just a shame he is running with the village idiot. The old dog Biden cut the young man down a few times but he sure stayed the distance. Impressive indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) Again, I defy anyone to come up with even one credible poll in the next days showing the public thinks Ryan won this debate. Maybe not. Most people seem to think that it was pretty much a draw and will not help or hurt either candidate. Edited October 12, 2012 by Ulysses G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Young Ryan seems to be a pleasant enough young man with it all before him and will no doubt learn alot from the experience. It is just a shame he is running with the village idiot. The old dog Biden cut the young man down a few times but he sure stayed the distance. Impressive indeed. I actually think he lacks charisma and will never be vice president OR president. We don't really want such a stiff talking point zombie wonk in chief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Maybe not. Most people seem to think that it was pretty much a draw and will not help or hurt either candidate. If the goal was to stop the Romney momentum, and it succeeded, it was no draw. So when you see 100 polls saying the same thing, a Biden win, I guess all the polls are fixed then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keemapoot Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Well, Biden's performance certainly stopped the Obama downward spiral. Whether or not it results in a bounce or not we'll have to see. Biden definitely pulled his weight tonight, and threw a rescue rope to Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Well, Biden's performance certainly stopped the Obama downward spiral. Whether or not it results in a bounce or not we'll have to see. Biden definitely pulled his weight tonight, and threw a rescue rope to Obama. Obama has an electoral lock and all he has to do to win is stop that Romney momentum that did occur after debate one. It's about winning the election. Eyes on the prize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londoedan Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Big time win. However much you want this to be true, I just don't see it. Almost all of the post-debate comments I've heard thus far, agree its more of a draw. Jingthing also claimed that Obama won the last debate. He he - and I also re-collect that he didn't think the 1st debate would impact the polls - how wrong can you be. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keemapoot Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Well, Biden's performance certainly stopped the Obama downward spiral. Whether or not it results in a bounce or not we'll have to see. Biden definitely pulled his weight tonight, and threw a rescue rope to Obama. Obama has an electoral lock and all he has to do to win is stop that Romney momentum that did occur after debate one. It's about winning the election. Eyes on the prize. Yes, latest I saw was that even if Romney wins the popular vote slightly he loses electoral vote and election. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coma Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Young Ryan seems to be a pleasant enough young man with it all before him and will no doubt learn alot from the experience. It is just a shame he is running with the village idiot. The old dog Biden cut the young man down a few times but he sure stayed the distance. Impressive indeed. I actually think he lacks charisma and will never be vice president OR president. We don't really want such a stiff talking point zombie wonk in chief. Only if you say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Maybe not. Most people seem to think that it was pretty much a draw and will not help or hurt either candidate. If the goal was to stop the Romney momentum, and it succeeded, it was no draw. So when you see 100 polls saying the same thing, a Biden win, I guess all the polls are fixed then. As I write this, Hannity on Fox is going into overdrive. He is clearly a worried man which says it all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londoedan Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 I defy anyone to come up with even one credible poll in the next days showing the public thinks Ryan won this debate. Never suggested that there would be any - I bet there's a few though, that suggest a draw +/- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uptheos Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) I defy anyone to come up with even one credible poll in the next days showing the public thinks Ryan won this debate. Never suggested that there would be any - I bet there's a few though, that suggest a draw +/- Two boxers and neither were capable of a knock-out punch. However, if I had to give it on points, I'd say Ryan just shaded it and has done no harm to Romney's position. Now it's over I think Romney has a good chance, if he can keep up his form in the next two polls. Edited October 12, 2012 by uptheos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiangmaikelly Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Again, I defy anyone to come up with even one credible poll in the next days showing the public thinks Ryan won this debate. Maybe not. Most people seem to think that it was pretty much a draw and will not help or hurt either candidate. Clearly if there is one even small time poll that thinks Biden won we will get a new thread on Thai Visa. There by avoiding that nasty headline that Obama lost the first debate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) There will be polls saying that one or another won and others contradicting each other. This is what CNN is saying. An instant poll taken by CNN after Thursday's vice presidential debate found that voters thought Republican candidate Paul Ryan beat Vice President Joe Biden, by a 48-44 margin. Read more: http://www.businessi...0#ixzz293SWP0iz Edited October 12, 2012 by Ulysses G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiangmaikelly Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) Big time win. However much you want this to be true, I just don't see it. Almost all of the post-debate comments I've heard agree its more of a draw. CBS News Snap Poll:19 % draw 31 % Ryan 50 % Biden I would bet the house that EVERY credible poll you will see in the coming days will CLEARLY show a MASSIVE debate win for Biden. He did his job. The momentum of Romney has now been blocked. Now we'll have to see the momentum changes from neutral to pro Obama. Where do you live? CNN Poll. http://politicaltick...an-48-biden-44/ Edited October 12, 2012 by chiangmaikelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beechguy Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) Maybe not. Most people seem to think that it was pretty much a draw and will not help or hurt either candidate. If the goal was to stop the Romney momentum, and it succeeded, it was no draw. So when you see 100 polls saying the same thing, a Biden win, I guess all the polls are fixed then. As I write this, Hannity on Fox is going into overdrive. He is clearly a worried man which says it all. I would say all the whining by the liberals lately says it all, compare their comments now to a month or two ago. Edited October 12, 2012 by beechguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiangmaikelly Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Maybe not. Most people seem to think that it was pretty much a draw and will not help or hurt either candidate. If the goal was to stop the Romney momentum, and it succeeded, it was no draw. So when you see 100 polls saying the same thing, a Biden win, I guess all the polls are fixed then. As I write this, Hannity on Fox is going into overdrive. He is clearly a worried man which says it all. I would say all the whining by the liberals lately says it all, compare their comments now to a month or two ago. I want to know where JT is with my house. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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