In the re-count chambers, there were representatives from both parties. Republicans, both inside the room and outside wanted desperately to thwart the re-count process. The reason the recount was moved, was because rowdy republican thugs were making as much commotion as possible in order to stymie the democratic process. They pushed by guards and forced their way up to the re-count chambers in their desperate efforts to <deleted> the re-count, because they knew, as everyone else did, that a successful recount would have clearly been to Gore's advantage, and would have put him in the President's seat, where he should have rightfully gone.

added note: ALL those ballots, from Dade County (and probably other counties) are being kept in storage. Would be interesting in having a scientific count. Not a Republican count (republicans are not very scientific, still believing the world is roughly 5,500 years old) and they would probably continue to discount any and all ballots where the 'chad' was not 100% pushed though. It was a sad episode in American history, with one bright spot: Mr. Gore graciously conceded defeat when the (Republican leaning) Supreme Court hung up the process for the umpteenth time. Gore could have fought on for a fair re-count, but he was too much of a gentleman to do so.

Here we go again...

Perhaps if you read this link you will understand, finally give up and realize there has been recount after recount done by half the newspapers in the known world and they have finally cleared the way for Bush to take office.

http://en.wikipedia....lection_recount

As for your riot issue. There was an incident during the Miami/Dade County Democrat recount of the voting when the canvassing team tried to move to a smaller room, thereby cutting off access to the recount process. This riot consisted of unhappy Republican operatives, voters and media sources that were being excluded from the process. There were no baseball bats and only one Democrat was injured when he was punched and kicked.

No SWAT teams were used in putting down this riot. For that reason it is called the "Brooks Brothers Riot".

http://en.wikipedia....s_Brothers_riot

The pro Obama ad targeted at young women that is driving "conservatives" bait sheit:

BTW, if you don't know this brilliant actress, she's the star of Girls, must watch intelligent American t.v.

Gee, I have been too bush watching "Swamp People" to catch this brilliant actress at work Guess I'll have to wait until the next decade to watch this little piece of fluff in action.

Edited October 27, 201213 yr by Scott

That's not the sort of ruthless CEO Americans want to run their country.

It is if he stands up to countries that are cheating and improves the economy. Maybe he can "manipulate" the democratic senate into finally passing a budget after all this time.

I would be more sympathetic to the USA standing up to other countries if the USA didn't have equally nasty trade barriers. Need some examples? Peanuts. US consumers are stuck with only US grown varieties and cannot access some of the higher quality peanuts from other countries.

US consumers are deprived of "higher quality" peanuts from other countries. What a shame. Of course it is because of Mitt Romney and those pesky Republicans. I don't know where Mitt is hiding them as I've traveled a lot and don't remember running into any "higher quality" peanuts anywhere. If this is becoming an issue. election day must be coming soon.

Edited October 27, 201213 yr by Ulysses G.

BTW, if this is Romney "momentum" I'd like to see what he calls a setback:

This guy is an complete amateur and he admits it. Stop the silly spin. We all know that the election is very close and Romney has the momentum.

At a cocktail party a few years back, I described my odds chart to Silver, who goodnaturedly scoffed at its lack of sophistication. He's right, of course: He and other stat-savvy data-crunchers are interested in predicting, as precisely as possible, how people will vote. I come from the other direction: I assume I can't know how the vote will turn out, so it's better to look at the entire universe of possible outcomes. And in this election, the math says Romney has lots of ways to win. Just not nearly as many as Obama. http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/10/mitt-romneys-very-long-odds-winning-election/58414/#

That's not the sort of ruthless CEO Americans want to run their country.

It is if he stands up to countries that are cheating and improves the economy. Maybe he can "manipulate" the democratic senate into finally passing a budget after all this time.

I would be more sympathetic to the USA standing up to other countries if the USA didn't have equally nasty trade barriers. Need some examples? Peanuts. US consumers are stuck with only US grown varieties and cannot access some of the higher quality peanuts from other countries.

US consumers are deprived of "higher quality" peanuts from other countries. What a shame. Of course it is because of Mitt Romney and those pesky Republicans. I don't know where Mitt is hiding them as I've traveled a lot and don't remember running into any "higher quality" peanuts anywhere. If this is becoming an issue. election day must be coming soon.

I thought it was Carter who started the peanut protection racket,

Romney has all the momentum of a beach buoy, and Sununu is the tether going down to the sea bottom.

Interesting though, Romney and the Republicans seem to have a tough time finding any prominent figures to help row their boat. Bush Jr. is out of the picture. Their darling of just four years ago, McCain is off the map (perhaps too busy yelling at kids to not walk on his lawn). The giant sensation of 3 to 4 years ago, Ms Palin, is rarely heard from, and certainly not allowed near a microphone at a stage. Who else? Colin Powell broke ranks, according to Republicans, who are trying to paint it as a 'black man allying himself with a black man' thing. Even Bush Sr. hasn't been heard from. Why is it, the Republicans are so quick to heap praises on one of their spokespeople, yet, within months, that person is out the back door like un-eaten dog food. And where is the celebrated 'Tea Party'? Weren't they supposed to be the saving grace of the Republicans? Oh, sorry, that was a bygone 2 years ago. Republicans don't keep heroes for more than a few months, unless it's a monolith like Abe Lincoln or Reagan.

Yeah, in today's ultra right wing republican party, Gay Honest Abe would DEFINITELY be a democrat and Reagan wouldn't be far from that. Reagan today with his views in his day could not possibly get nominated in today's extremist republican party.

One republican I really do think is worth well remembering is Eisenhower. Even though he was president in the McCarthy era, his speech about the dangers of the military industrial complex was both right on and totally prophetic.

Edited October 27, 201213 yr by Jingthing

Romney has all the momentum of a beach buoy, and Sununu is the tether going down to the sea bottom.

Interesting though, Romney and the Republicans seem to have a tough time finding any prominent figures to help row their boat. Bush Jr. is out of the picture. Their darling of just four years ago, McCain is off the map (perhaps too busy yelling at kids to not walk on his lawn). The giant sensation of 3 to 4 years ago, Ms Palin, is rarely heard from, and certainly not allowed near a microphone at a stage. Who else? Colin Powell broke ranks, according to Republicans, who are trying to paint it as a 'black man allying himself with a black man' thing. Even Bush Sr. hasn't been heard from. Why is it, the Republicans are so quick to heap praises on one of their spokespeople, yet, within months, that person is out the back door like un-eaten dog food. And where is the celebrated 'Tea Party'? Weren't they supposed to be the saving grace of the Republicans? Oh, sorry, that was a bygone 2 years ago. Republicans don't keep heroes for more than a few months, unless it's a monolith like Abe Lincoln or Reagan.

Really true. They bounced Michael Steele out as RNC Chair too, after holding him out as their token black guy for all the liberals to see, and you see him now more on Bill Maher and Jon Stewart than anywhere else. Haven't watched Fox News lately, but I assume he's persona non grata there too? He was pretty bitter and disappointed at not being invited to the convention this year.

Edited October 27, 201213 yr by keemapoot

Off-topic, nonsense posts have been deleted.

The pro Obama ad targeted at young women that is driving "conservatives" bait sheit:

Curious to know jingers, why is it driving them around the bend. Seems harmless enough?

The pro Obama ad targeted at young women that is driving "conservatives" bait sheit:

Curious to know jingers, why is it driving them around the bend. Seems harmless enough?

Not sure but having watched it I would guess folks that object to it, by that I do not necessarily mean Republicans/ Conservatives,

object to the initial sexual innuendo being made.

Your first time shouldn't be with just anybody. You want to do it with a great guy…

Someone who cares about and understands women

After all it is a Presidential election. If nothing else the campaign ads of presidential hopefuls & the sitting president

should not need to use sexual innuendo to make a point.

Edited October 27, 201213 yr by mania

Yeah, in today's ultra right wing republican party, Gay Honest Abe would DEFINITELY be a democrat and Reagan wouldn't be far from that. Reagan today with his views in his day could not possibly get nominated in today's extremist republican party.

One republican I really do think is worth well remembering is Eisenhower. Even though he was president in the McCarthy era, his speech about the dangers of the military industrial complex was both right on and totally prophetic.

Funny you should mention Ike -- the other overrated General liberals like to embrace. I'll try not to go into it too much as it's obviously not the main topic but...

-- Full on anti-communist cold warrior.

-- Not just in office during McCarthy era but refused to overtly reign in McCarthy (and disgracefully failed to protect Gen. George C. Marshall - arguably one of the finest Americans of that century or any other, who served his country and the world beyond measure).

-- Had Nixon as a VP.

-- Proponent and instigator of military interventionism (Bay of Pigs, Vietnam, Iran, Guatemala).

-- Proponent of Nuclear weapon proliferation and a geopolitical/military strategy based on their use. Believer in a massive and well funded military.

-- Racist and extremely reluctant enforcer of civil rights.

I don't think he's the worst of the worst or even close, indeed I think there are many things about him which should be celebrated (the obvious being his administrative -- not martial -- abilities in WWII) and I don't even entirely disagree with all of his views given the context of the times. He was in many ways a very good POTUS, but I think it's hilarious that along with the ridiculously romanticized view so many have of the 50s, a lot of liberals think Gen. Eisenhower was some sort of quasi-peacenik.

And the "military industrial complex" bit in his farewell speech? Taken out of context and largely misinterpreted and misused for decades.

Edited October 27, 201213 yr by SteeleJoe

There are threats to riot posted on Youtube and that is a fact.

Interesting though, Romney and the Republicans seem to have a tough time finding any prominent figures to help row their boat.

Other than Clint Eastwood, Donald Trump, Billy Graham, Robert Duvall, Kelsey Grammer, Chuck Norris, Andy Garcia, Jon Voight, Patricia Heaton, Dean Cain, James Caan, Sylvester Stallone, Tom Selleck, Gary Sinese, James Woods, Erik Estrada, Lorenzo Lamas, Chris Christie, Marco Rubio and thousands of other big names the Republicans are having a really tough time.

Interesting though, Romney and the Republicans seem to have a tough time finding any prominent figures to help row their boat.

Other than Clint Eastwood, Donald Trump, Billy Graham, Robert Duvall, Kelsey Grammer, Chuck Norris, Andy Garcia, Jon Voight, Patricia Heaton, Dean Cain, James Caan, Sylvester Stallone, Tom Selleck, Gary Sinese, James Woods, Erik Estrada, Lorenzo Lamas, Chris Christie, Marco Rubio and thousands of other big names the Republicans are having a really tough time.

Wow. I can't believe you just offered 17 celebrities (and some 2nd rate ones at that) as the bulk of your list (with very few politicos at all let alone of import). If an Obama supporter did that (with a much more impressive list of famous folks -- let's face it, Obama wins that meaningless and idiotic contest) it would look absurd and pathetic. But a Romney supporter?! The same people who scorn Obama's fraternization with celebs?

Wow.

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Edited October 27, 201213 yr by SteeleJoe

I don't quite understand politician's (not just US politicians either) preoccupation with gaining the endorsement of 'celebrities'. After all celebs make a living pretending to be something that they aren't.

I don't quite understand politician's (not just US politicians either) preoccupation with gaining the endorsement of 'celebrities'. After all celebs make a living pretending to be something that they aren't.

Why not? When I consider who I want to be head of state, and I want the opinion of someone with a solid understanding of both domestic and geopolitical issues to help me choose, I look to these guys:

Edited October 27, 201213 yr by SteeleJoe

Interesting though, Romney and the Republicans seem to have a tough time finding any prominent figures to help row their boat.

Other than Clint Eastwood, Donald Trump, Billy Graham, Robert Duvall, Kelsey Grammer, Chuck Norris, Andy Garcia, Jon Voight, Patricia Heaton, Dean Cain, James Caan, Sylvester Stallone, Tom Selleck, Gary Sinese, James Woods, Erik Estrada, Lorenzo Lamas, Chris Christie, Marco Rubio and thousands of other big names the Republicans are having a really tough time.

Wow. I can't believe you just offered 17 celebrities (and some 2nd rate ones at that) as the bulk of your list (with very few politicos at all let alone of import).

I'm too lazy to list 1,000's of names and haven't you noticed that Obama has plenty of second rate celebrities endorsing him?

Edited October 27, 201213 yr by Ulysses G.

With the nationwide vote so close it's a shame the result will be decided in just a handful of states.

Interesting though, Romney and the Republicans seem to have a tough time finding any prominent figures to help row their boat.

Other than Clint Eastwood, Donald Trump, Billy Graham, Robert Duvall, Kelsey Grammer, Chuck Norris, Andy Garcia, Jon Voight, Patricia Heaton, Dean Cain, James Caan, Sylvester Stallone, Tom Selleck, Gary Sinese, James Woods, Erik Estrada, Lorenzo Lamas, Chris Christie, Marco Rubio and thousands of other big names the Republicans are having a really tough time.

Wow. I can't believe you just offered 17 celebrities (and some 2nd rate ones at that) as the bulk of your list (with very few politicos at all let alone of import).

I'm too lazy to list 1,000's of names and haven't you noticed that Obama has plenty of second rate celebrities backing him?

Weak. Really weak.

1.Too lazy to list 1000s? Who would expect that? But if you can be bothered to list 20, why would you choose 17 celebrities?

2. Who cares?! I explicitly said listing celebrities as supporters would be absurd and pathetic. But again, Obama would win that meaningless and idiotic contest (I'd wager I could come up with 17 "A listers" with out much effort).

I like the way you left out the part of my post that you have no rebuttal for -- but it's pretty transparent.

I like the way you left out the part of my post that you have no rebuttal for

I left out the part that is not worth replying to. I do that a lot on Thai Visa. It gets tiresome replying to every silly comment on every thread. However, it is quite easy to come up with famous people who back Romney and I was in the mood.

Edited October 27, 201213 yr by Ulysses G.

Interesting though, Romney and the Republicans seem to have a tough time finding any prominent figures to help row their boat.

Other than Clint Eastwood, Donald Trump, Billy Graham, Robert Duvall, Kelsey Grammer, Chuck Norris, Andy Garcia, Jon Voight, Patricia Heaton, Dean Cain, James Caan, Sylvester Stallone, Tom Selleck, Gary Sinese, James Woods, Erik Estrada, Lorenzo Lamas, Chris Christie, Marco Rubio and thousands of other big names the Republicans are having a really tough time.

Wow. I can't believe you just offered 17 celebrities (and some 2nd rate ones at that) as the bulk of your list (with very few politicos at all let alone of import).

I'm too lazy to list 1,000's of names and haven't you noticed that Obama has plenty of second rate celebrities endorsing him?

"Y'all better vote for f******g Obama, OK? For better or for worse, we have a black Muslim in the White House," Madonna said, according to the report. "That's some amazing s**t. It means there is hope in this country."

According to The Hill, Madonna took her shirt off and pulled her pants down at one point to reveal that "OBAMA" was written on her lower back.

The latest [dictator] to publicly announce his support for the commander-in-chief’s reelection bid was Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez, who this week assured he’d vote for Obama if he were from the United States. The America-bashing strongman made the announcement on state-owned television, saying “Obama is a good guy” and that if Obama was from Caracas, he’d surely return the favor by voting for Chavez.

Edited October 27, 201213 yr by chiangmaikelly

I like the way you left out the part of my post that you have no rebuttal for

I left out the part that is not worth replying to. I do that a lot on Thai Visa. It gets tiresome replying to every silly comment on every thread. However, it is quite easy to come up with famous people who back Romney and I was in the mood.

Tiresome replies: Pot/Kettle I think.

Interesting though, Romney and the Republicans seem to have a tough time finding any prominent figures to help row their boat.

Other than Clint Eastwood, Donald Trump, Billy Graham, Robert Duvall, Kelsey Grammer, Chuck Norris, Andy Garcia, Jon Voight, Patricia Heaton, Dean Cain, James Caan, Sylvester Stallone, Tom Selleck, Gary Sinese, James Woods, Erik Estrada, Lorenzo Lamas, Chris Christie, Marco Rubio and thousands of other big names the Republicans are having a really tough time.

My point, earlier, was the political icons who were celebrated (by Republicans), just months ago (McCain, Palin, Powel, Bush Jr., Tea Party, etc) aren't seen or heard in this political campaign. When Romney and Ryan lose, in a few days, are they too going to be patted on the back and led out the servant's entrance with the farewell, "Thanks for the effort boys. Leave your number with the secretary. Don't call us, we'll call you. Bye."

I like the way you left out the part of my post that you have no rebuttal for

I left out the part that is not worth replying to. I do that a lot on Thai Visa. It gets tiresome replying to every silly comment on every thread. However, it is quite easy to come up with famous people who back Romney and I was in the mood.

Ah, nice.

So the completely pointless (given what I'd already said about celebrity support) "he's got second rate celebrity supporters too" was worth posting but addressing the main point -- that Romney supporters (including yourself?) disdain the affection that Hollywood has for the President but that almost your whole list of prominent supporters was celebrities (of a sort).

And you gave that list in response to a post about a presumed lack of serious politicos giving support!

Fine, ignore my suggestion of a contradiction -- or hypocrisy (I'll understandably take that as a concession). But if you are going to give a list how about posting a list that isn't so ridiculous?

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Here's what party loyalty gets you with Republicans when anyone goes against Republican Messiah Limbaugh:

Michael Steele, the former chairman of the Republican National Committee, has been pretty much wiped off the face of the earth, or at least the face of the party. He wasn’t even invited to the Republican National Convention in Tampa and he is barely mentioned at all these days.

Steele was chairman when the party selected Tampa as the site of its 2012 convention. Steele was chairman when the GOP came roaring back after defeats in 2006 and 2008 to pick up 63 seats to gain control of the House in 2010, and also to gain six seats to greatly strengthen its position in the Senate. In addition, during Steele’s time in office, Republicans won key governorships in New Jersey and Virginia.

“I have not been invited to the convention at all,” Steele says. “Their view is, the less we talk about him, we don’t invite him, we ignore him — it just didn’t happen. But those 63 seats in the House did happen. They may want to ignore me, but they don’t want to ignore what I did. It’s just sad.”

“I would have loved to have been there to salute the work of the party and see former chairmen,” Steele adds. “But I guess I’m not a member of that club.”

http://freethoughtbl...sona-non-grata/

Interesting though, Romney and the Republicans seem to have a tough time finding any prominent figures to help row their boat.

Other than Clint Eastwood, Donald Trump, Billy Graham, Robert Duvall, Kelsey Grammer, Chuck Norris, Andy Garcia, Jon Voight, Patricia Heaton, Dean Cain, James Caan, Sylvester Stallone, Tom Selleck, Gary Sinese, James Woods, Erik Estrada, Lorenzo Lamas, Chris Christie, Marco Rubio and thousands of other big names the Republicans are having a really tough time.

My point, earlier, was the political icons who were celebrated (by Republicans), just months ago (McCain, Palin, Powel, Bush Jr., Tea Party, etc) aren't seen or heard in this political campaign.

McCain, Palin, and the Tea Party are seen and heard pretty much every day this political season. I'm not sure what you are on about. George W. and Powell have decided to mostly stay in the background - as is their due - and I can't say that I blame them.

As to Obama losing the election, yes, that is a distinct possibility.

Edited October 27, 201213 yr by Ulysses G.

Interesting though, Romney and the Republicans seem to have a tough time finding any prominent figures to help row their boat.

Other than Clint Eastwood, Donald Trump, Billy Graham, Robert Duvall, Kelsey Grammer, Chuck Norris, Andy Garcia, Jon Voight, Patricia Heaton, Dean Cain, James Caan, Sylvester Stallone, Tom Selleck, Gary Sinese, James Woods, Erik Estrada, Lorenzo Lamas, Chris Christie, Marco Rubio and thousands of other big names the Republicans are having a really tough time.

My point, earlier, was the political icons who were celebrated (by Republicans), just months ago (McCain, Palin, Powel, Bush Jr., Tea Party, etc) aren't seen or heard in this political campaign.

McCain, Palin, and the Tea Party are seen and heard pretty much every day this political season. I'm not sure whgat you are in a bout. George W. and Powell have decided to mostly stay in the background - as is their due - and I can't say that I blame them.

Yeah, the Republicans really want George W out there but he's decided not to.

Powell? He stepped out of the background long enough to endorse the other party's guy.

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what's left to say? I dunno. Off to the fridge to get some yogurt and a slice of saparot.

OK boys and girls, the past several pages of back-and-worth have now been rendered meaningless. The October Surprise is hear and it IS BIG...

BREAKING: CIA Requested Help During Benghazi Battle, Were Denied Three Times (Updated)

Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that three urgent requests from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. Consulate and subsequent attack nearly seven hours later were denied by officials in the CIA chain of command — who also told the CIA operators to “stand down” rather than help the ambassador’s team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/10/26/report-cia-requested-help-during-benghazi-battle-were-denied-three-times/?singlepage=true

and

Petraeus Throws Obama Under the Bus

Breaking news on Benghazi: the CIA spokesman, presumably at the direction of CIA director David Petraeus, has put out

this statement

: "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. ”

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/petraeus-throws-obama-under-bus_657896.html