he will revert to his real self - and that's far right of center:

You mean, the Massachusetts moderate? Romney is anything but far right.

I agree, but what kind of integrity is there in this man who clearly panders to the far right to get the nomination, then clearly panders to the center to get elected? He doesn't stand for anything, and that is the main problem. He will go with whatever gets him elected. As far as what he will do in office? Who knows? All we really have is his record in Mass., and I agree, based on that he looks moderate.

Which version of Romney are we talking about? He of course is trying to project himself as all things to all people. The republican base, which is far right, as indeed moderate republicans barely exist in today's republican party, is not believing his last minute "Moderate Mitt" acting show. I get that Obama isn't perfect but at least voters understand his core values.

About his record in Massachusetts, voters may want to rethink how "moderate" he really was even then, governing yes a liberal state.

I suggest if people read this report carefully, it will reveal another serious character flaw in this man Romney. A stripe of real personal meanness and lack of compassion in understanding others not of his background, reminding people that the bully he was at age 18 (already an adult) being a violent "gender enforcer" against a gay classmate remains in his soul in later adulthood.

To be clear, my intention is not to focus here on gay rights issues. I think this revelation reveals something much bigger and more general about the man who is Romney, the real man. The point is this continuing incident from Romney in Massachusetts reveals a very dark aspect about Romney's CHARACTER in general. Adding such incidents to his unacceptable severe affliction of Romnesia, I don't see how American voters can allow him to be our chief executive for ALL our citizens.

http://www.huffingto..._ref=gay-voices

The fact that Mitt Romney would go so far out of his way to humiliate and degrade same-sex couples, even as they celebrated one of life's most profoundly joyous experiences, the birth of a child, displays a level of contempt for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people and our families that can only be described as shocking. Romney's record, both as governor of Massachusetts and as a presidential candidate, demonstrates that he's not satisfied with "merely" opposing the rights of LGBT people to be protected from bullying, to marry the person they love and to start families. No, his enmity toward us is so deeply pervasive and so viciously fervent that he has no problem actively harming our children.

Romney rejected new birth certificates for gay parents

As governor, he ordered review for each child

http://bostonglobe.c...QrjO/story.html

Edited October 28, 201213 yr by Jingthing

Which version of Romney are we talking about? He of course is trying to project himself as all things to all people. The republican base, which is far right, as indeed moderate republicans barely exist in today's republican party, is not believing his last minute "Moderate Mitt" acting show. I get that Obama isn't perfect but at least voters understand his core values.

Here's what's scary: When you elect Mitt, you're not just electing him. You're electing every right wing nut he's pandered to in the last 10 years...The whole anti-intellectual, anti-science freak show. The abstinence obsessives, the flat earthers, home schoolers, holy warriors, anti-women social neanderthal, closeted homosexuals (no slur intended), and every end-timer who sees the Virgin Mary in the grass over the septic tank. - to paraphrase a famous Liberal I'm watching now.

Anyway, everyone has to pay the piper sometime. If elected, Romney will have to pay them something...

Edited October 28, 201213 yr by keemapoot

he will revert to his real self - and that's far right of center:

You mean, the Massachusetts moderate? Romney is anything but far right.

I agree, but what kind of integrity is there in this man who clearly panders to the far right to get the nomination, then clearly panders to the center to get elected?

They all do it. Clinton pandered to the left to get elected and then pandered to the center when he was going down in flames. Obama switched back and forth on gay marriage numerous times according to what was politically expedient. I am all for moderates in either party, but they have to deal with the realities of getting elected. .

Edited October 28, 201213 yr by Ulysses G.

Obama needs at least 38 percent of the caucasion vote to win re-election and he doesn’t have it. That’s a huge problem for the Obama campaign, who must now rely on massive minority turnout to win 270 electoral votes. Obama’s support among caucasion voters has fallen beneath the range consistent with reelection, even if minorities vote at the same rate that they did four years ago. Polls have found decreased enthusiasm among the young and Latino voters necessary for Obama to win. It looks like this election will be real squeaker, but things are looking up for Romney.

The current electoral map outlook doesn't bear up to that scrutiny U.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/romney-vs-obama-electoral-map

If you are not relying on the Huffington Post for political information it does.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

Beware of people who lean too much on the 'God told me to do this' ....sort of justification for things. George W. did it. Will Romney?

If you are not relying on the Huffington Post for political information it does.

http://www.realclear...ollege_map.html

I'll promise to eat crow when your version comes to pass - if you'll promise to do the same...

I don't have a version. I think that the race is neck and neck and it is not impossible that Obama can lure some of those caucasion voters back in the next 11 days. Before single women voters started abandoning him, he would have been well over the top. i hope that Romney will win and I think that he has an excellent chance, but I am far from certain who will win the election.

Edited October 28, 201213 yr by Ulysses G.

If you are not relying on the Huffington Post for political information it does.

http://www.realclear...ollege_map.html

interesting. From that same web site, it shows Obama gaining 15% of overall voters for the past 3 days (going from -5 to +10). Where is the momentum for Romney you were telling us about?

I don't have a version. I think that the race is neck and neck and it is not impossible that Obama can lure some of those caucasion voters back in the next 11 days. Before single women voters started abandoning him, he would have been well over the top.

The "I think that" part IS YOUR VERSION lol. That's what a version is...an opinion that starts with "I think that"...

If you are not relying on the Huffington Post for political information it does.

http://www.realclear...ollege_map.html

I'll promise to eat crow when your version comes to pass - if you'll promise to do the same...

I'm selling cooked crow at my sidewalk bbq. Special discount next week, only 20 baht per crow sandwich. Free beer thrown in for Romney/Ryan supporters - they'll need it to drown their sorrows in.

I don't have a version. I think that the race is neck and neck and it is not impossible that Obama can lure some of those caucasion voters back in the next 11 days. Before single women voters started abandoning him, he would have been well over the top.

The "I think that" part IS YOUR VERSION lol. That's what a version is...an opinion that starts with "I think that"...

Romney is even with single women voters now and before the first debate he was far behind. That is a FACT, not my "version".

You know my problem? There are no moderate Republicans any more. But when Mitt tries to imitate a moderate - the public loves it. Why doesn't the lunatic center of the Republican party grasp that concept? Most Americans are not far right. They are centrist, middle of the road, want the system to work folks.

The lunatic element that thinks that God wants you to have a Rapist's child isn't the vast majority of Americans. As Bill Maher said "Isn't this just another example of how you cannot separate religion from just sheer idiocy. This idea that...God intended the pregnancy to happen, but not the rape".

This idea is repugnant to most Americans, yet Mitt refuses to remove his endorsement. Mitt Romney is a caricature. He is what you want him to be. "Want me to be a moderate? You got it! I'm for THIS! Oh wait, you don't agree with that? Its OK! Because now I'm for THIS instead!"

If moderate centrist Mitt had been that kind of person throughtout the whole debate - he might actually have a chance to win. But he's not that kind of person. He is "Tell me what you want me to say, and I'll say it" person. That's not leadership - that's mimicry.

Edited October 28, 201213 yr by somtumlion

You know my problem? There are no moderate Republicans any more.

There are no moderate Democrats. The Blue Dog Democrats have been driven out of the party and we are left with the Nancy Pelosi crowd.

Edited October 28, 201213 yr by Ulysses G.

You know my problem? There are no moderate Republicans any more.

There are no moderate democrats. The Blue Dog democrats have been driven out of the party and we are left with the Nancy Polosi crowd.

You are kidding right? ALL the democrats are moderate. The problem is - there are no true liberals left any more. Where is the far left? Republican spin would have you convinced that Obama is a socialist...but that is a joke.

From Bill Maher's show.

(On the death of George McGovern)

"Bob Dole wrote an op-ed in the Washington Post. He said [He and McGovern] 'We worked together to reform the food stamp program, expand the domestic school lunch program, and establish the special supplement program for women, infants and children.' I guess he [Dole] didn't get the memo, that Republican's don't give a shit about these people any more. I just think its so interesting now that all the Republican moderates now are 90. I can't imagine a Republican working with Democrats on programs like that, in this era."

Edited October 28, 201213 yr by somtumlion

I'm fully in favor of cutting back US federal spending, as I believe both candidates are. The devil is in the details. Usually, when fed or state spending is cut, it is the little people who get hurt first. Pre-school services, national parks, free lunches for poorest kids, NPRadio, women's health services, environmental protection (incl. cleaning toxic sites), museums, CDC, NASA ......those are some of the types of things which get cut back first.

Sacrosant and totally untouchable, are things which mostly benefit elder men (and sometimes elder women) such as: veterans' benefits, and social security and gov't pensions.

Looking at both candidates and their VP's, can you tell me which services each would be inclined to cut-back on, and by approx how much?

You know my problem? There are no moderate Republicans any more.

There are no moderate Democrats. The Blue Dog Democrats have been driven out of the party and we are left with the Nancy Pelosi crowd.

During the fever of the election, both parties' extreme factions will have loud voices. However, I don't think there is any comparison of the democratic party going as far left as the Republican party has gone far right. None. Nancy Pelosi is a joke and characture of herself even among moderate democrats, yet is always the poster girl the far right holds up of excessive liberals. By and large, permeated through the party, the Republicans have gone far right much more than the democrats have gone left.

You know my problem? There are no moderate Republicans any more.

There are no moderate Democrats. The Blue Dog Democrats have been driven out of the party and we are left with the Nancy Pelosi crowd.

During the fever of the election, both parties' extreme factions will have loud voices. However, I don't think there is any comparison of the democratic party going as far left as the Republican party has gone far right. None. Nancy Pelosi is a joke and characture of herself even among moderate democrats, yet is always the poster girl the far right holds up of excessive liberals. By and large, permeated through the party, the Republicans have gone far right much more than the democrats have gone left.

*Edit: When your most recent former Chair of the Republican Party is banished for criticizing Rush Limbaugh, when your former Bush Jr. Secretary of State is labeled a turncoat and RINO, how far right is that?

Where is my liberal representative? Where is my single payer health care plan? Where is my champion of banning assault weapons? etc

Where is my liberal representative? Where is my single payer health care plan? Where is my champion of banning assault weapons? etc

Un American ideas.

Where is my liberal representative? Where is my single payer health care plan? Where is my champion of banning assault weapons? etc

Un American ideas.

I am an American - and they are ideas i believe in. So your argument doesn't apply. Or you are trying to discredit my citizenship? lol America was built on having wide ranging viewpoints. Most people don't want people to own assault weapons. Unless you live in Texas...

America was built on having wide ranging viewpoints. Most people don't want people to own assault weapons. Unless you live in Texas...

America is a Republic so what "Most" people want is not the ultimate rule.

By definition, a republic is a representative form of government that is ruled according to a charter, or constitution

The main difference between a republic and a democracy is the charter or constitution that limits power in a republic, often to protect the individual's rights against the desires of the majority.

Exerpts from

What Is the Difference Between a Republic and a Democracy?

Edited October 28, 201213 yr by mania

i think i remember someone saying something about how it would be a good boost for romney to get powell on his side in this thread.

i think we can throw that one out the window.

I think generally we’ve come out of the dive and we’re starting to gain altitude.” He praised the president for his handling of national security.

“I also saw the president get us out of one war, start to get us out of a second war and did not get us into any new wars,” Mr. Powell said. “I think the actions he’s taken with respect to protecting us from terrorism have been very, very solid. And so I think we ought to keep on the track that we are on.”

apologies if that info has been posted already, i haven't been online.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/25/powell-gives-obama-his-endorsement-for-a-second-time/

Edited October 28, 201213 yr by nurofiend

Where is my liberal representative? Where is my single payer health care plan? Where is my champion of banning assault weapons? etc

Un American ideas.

I am an American - and they are ideas i believe in. So your argument doesn't apply. Or you are trying to discredit my citizenship? lol America was built on having wide ranging viewpoints. Most people don't want people to own assault weapons. Unless you live in Texas...

Texas is facing a series of droughts of Biblical proportions. Perhaps they're repercussions from God, thinking, "enough of using My name to justify all your malarky." The God of the Islamists already turned the Middle East in to a desert wasteland. Maybe it's Texas' turn now. BTW, none of my ex's live in Texas.

i think i remember someone saying something about how it would be a good boost for romney to get powell on his side in this thread.

I think that was chuckd and me speculating that Condi Rice would be a good choice at State. Yeah, Powell has gone to the dark side now (no pun intended), and but for the grace of not screwing with Cheney, Rice would also be persona non grata. She was smart to live to fight another day, and would be a good choice at State if Romney is elected.

Edited October 28, 201213 yr by keemapoot

Where is my liberal representative? Where is my single payer health care plan? Where is my champion of banning assault weapons? etc

Un American ideas.

I am an American - and they are ideas i believe in. So your argument doesn't apply. Or you are trying to discredit my citizenship? lol America was built on having wide ranging viewpoints. Most people don't want people to own assault weapons. Unless you live in Texas...

they're just un-american realities (i know that's the point you were making)

Where is my liberal representative? Where is my single payer health care plan? Where is my champion of banning assault weapons? etc

Un American ideas.

I am an American - and they are ideas i believe in. So your argument doesn't apply. Or you are trying to discredit my citizenship? lol America was built on having wide ranging viewpoints. Most people don't want people to own assault weapons. Unless you live in Texas...

.NRA’s more than 4 million members—a number that has more than tripled since 1978. By number of guns the State of Texas is #33. Not only un American you are ill informed.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/06/28/states-with-the-most-guns.html

Interesting, the US's biggest state, Alaska, has fewer delegate votes, than its smallest state; Rhode Island. Alaska is solidly for Romney and RI is solidly Obama, but the point spread will be much greater than that. I predict Obama taking delegate votes 5 to 4.

i think i remember someone saying something about how it would be a good boost for romney to get powell on his side in this thread.

I think that was chuckd and me speculating that Condi Rice would be a good choice at State. Yeah, Powell has gone to the dark side now (no pun intended), and but for the grace of not screwing with Cheney, Rice would also be persona non grata. She was smart to live to fight another day, and would be a good choice at State if Romney is elected.

i just think romney would end up being bush 2.0 on steroids tbh.

i'm no huge fan of obama either, i was..... he left a lot of people disappointed and went back on a few serious promises... the closing of guantanamo being one that stands out in my mind - as a non-american... that was the kind of rhetoric that got the younger people more interested in voting in 2008 imho, and captured the imagination of the rest of the world tbf.

btw, as a non-american i still condsider this election as important to me, as america dictates a lot of geopolitical activity that affects pretty much everyone.

plus... most importantly, i have money on obama