Soutpeel Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 November could still be wet in BKK. No problem...just change the event to F1 power boat races Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noob7 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Do they have a race track already made in Thailand? I have seen how slow construction is here, unless it is already made, there is little to no chance it will be ready for 2014. There is a house beside my condo that has been under construction for 18 months .... so far IMO it is a stupid event for Thailand to host ... money could be spend on so many better things ... such as education .... Then again Thai gov't do not want the people educated. F1 is an event for the rich and most Thais cannot afford To prevent problems, the government is in need, that the road surface work is done in the last 2 weeks before the race. If it's older, there would be a lot of repairing needed. and I don't think, that anyone want the usual asphalt bumps, after the normal Thai style road repair on a racetrack! Or they giving this to a foreign road construction company. Na, they wouldn't. Foreigners do not do so big paybacks, they need a bit of the money for the work! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pormax Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Surely the OP headline should have read: 'Bangkok to host Thailand Grand Prix' and not 'Thailand to host Bangkok Grand Prix' Maybe it was the beer from the night before!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Think you will find the is max speed of 320km now days from the cars and can be done on all current tracks Singapore - "top speeds approach 297 km/h (185 mph)" http://www.vivaf1.com/singapore.php Long Beach "Top speed is around 240 mph" (385 km.h) http://www.sub5zero....-recap-results/ The top speed ever acheived by a formula one car during a race was 369.9 km/h (229.8 mph) set during the 2004 Italian Grand Prix at Monza, Italy by driver Antônio Pizzonia of the BMW Williams F1 team driving the FW26 powered by a BMW 3.0 litre v10. I stand corrected on Long Beach. Not sure why that number jumped out at me but something that always stood in my mind since seeing a race there when I was younger. Again not a big fan of the sport but when I did follow it, I know all the various tracks had different speeds and not sure why that would be different now since they are all configured so differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beano2274 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Imagine Sebastian Vettel driving his car on the roads, then suddenly a big hole appears on the road in front of him cause and he drives into it, then Thailand would be the laughing stock of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjjmmi Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) Think you will find the is max speed of 320km now days from the cars and can be done on all current tracks Singapore - "top speeds approach 297 km/h (185 mph)" http://www.vivaf1.com/singapore.php Long Beach "Top speed is around 240 mph" (385 km.h) http://www.sub5zero....-recap-results/ The top speed ever acheived by a formula one car during a race was 369.9 km/h (229.8 mph) set during the 2004 Italian Grand Prix at Monza, Italy by driver Antônio Pizzonia of the BMW Williams F1 team driving the FW26 powered by a BMW 3.0 litre v10. I stand corrected on Long Beach. Not sure why that number jumped out at me but something that always stood in my mind since seeing a race there when I was younger. Again not a big fan of the sport but when I did follow it, I know all the various tracks had different speeds and not sure why that would be different now since they are all configured so differently. No problem here but now the engine size are the same and out put power but more on down force Edited October 18, 2012 by sjjmmi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) No problem here but now the engine size are the same and out put power but more on down force Are the speeds governed at all? I was just looking at track configurations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_circuits) and just can't see how a track like AVUS could compare with some of the other tracks that barely have any straight aways. Mind you I have no idea what AVUS actually consists of (could be like skiing on a slope of moguls) but it would seem like the ultimate street race for top speed. Edited October 18, 2012 by Nisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noob7 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Imagine Sebastian Vettel driving his car on the roads, then suddenly a big hole appears on the road in front of him cause and he drives into it, then Thailand would be the laughing stock of the world. Na, Vettel would be! Didn't he know, to drive carefully on Thai roads? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaltsc Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Don't bother, the grand prix is already on 24/7 , 7 days a week. Just watch get on the expressways and watch in awe. You must have the Gran Prix confused with the Demolition Derby. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagwan Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 How long did it take to refashion the road between Pattaya Tai and Jomtien? Roads suitable for high speed racing by 2014? I don't think so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soi Sauce Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 China nd Korea wanna lose their contracts coz they are losing money. Forgot. That is the govs plan. Bankrupt the country, devalue the baht, then the clan can buy the whole place up on the cheap. Said it before and got decried. Watch it happen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakeopete Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Don't worry about high speed the Red Shirts and Yellow Shirts will block the roads anyways. Not to mention the somtam carts! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarangTalk Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Pipe dream. Will never happen. Sent from my GT-I9100T using Thaivisa Connect App Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasteddie Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Yeah Yeah! don't believe a word of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrain Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 How long did it take to refashion the road between Pattaya Tai and Jomtien? Roads suitable for high speed racing by 2014? I don't think so. That's a tricky question isn't it ?Well, as far as I'm aware it's was already full of holes again before it was finished, so the answer to your question would be .......Forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthurwait Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) No problem here but now the engine size are the same and out put power but more on down force Are the speeds governed at all? I was just looking at track configurations (http://en.wikipedia....la_One_circuits) and just can't see how a track like AVUS could compare with some of the other tracks that barely have any straight aways. Mind you I have no idea what AVUS actually consists of (could be like skiing on a slope of moguls) but it would seem like the ultimate street race for top speed. I believe the top speed depends on the track and the rules of the series on what is allowed on the car or design of the car. I'm not sure tracks have a maximum speed limit. F1's are limited by their drag. Open wheels and wing settings. If it gets too fast they will shove chicanes in. See the 2 chicanes put on the Mulsanne straight at Le mans. Cars (not F1's) were hitting around 240mph it made it diificult for the drivers too judge the much slower speed needed for the corner at the end of it especially at night. From my limited knowledge of Avus it hasn't been used for years and was mainly used by Hitler to showcase Germanys engineering pre-war with the, for the time, very high powered Mercedes and Auto Unions, I doubt a modern F1 would reach more than 200mph on a street circuit. Edited October 18, 2012 by arthurwait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrain Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) As several sources already suggested a street circuit, my thoughts were that jumps were only suitable in rally championships not in F1 races. Edited October 18, 2012 by jbrain 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
culicine Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 "The Other Paper" refers to two potential venues. 1. Ratchadamnoen Avenue 2. Muang Thong Thani. The Ratchadamnoen site is, I believe, in the vicinity of Khao San Rd and Sanam Luang. Could it be that F1 race cars will be hurtling around Sanam Luang, the Grand Palace and Wat Po areas back up to Democracy Monument?. The Red Bull connection here is strong and will be a source of big money as well as the ....Bhakdi families Singha and Chang. Heck the Yoovidhya (Red Bull)family even has a spare Ferrari driver waiting for a ride.By 2014, Mr Thaksin may be back in time to turn on the 5 red lights, making the area another red-light district and even more popular with tourists. However, in reality, I can't see it happening, but then again, we may find that there's a Myanmar GP and a Cambodian GP in the works too. Basically it's all up to Bernie . Muang Thong Thani, u must be joking...it's not exactly a large area and the roads are all in terrible condition, and it's a high density residential area too....but F1 cars blasting down Chaengwattana should be a sight....imagine the traffic chaos ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 No problem here but now the engine size are the same and out put power but more on down force Are the speeds governed at all? I was just looking at track configurations (http://en.wikipedia....la_One_circuits) and just can't see how a track like AVUS could compare with some of the other tracks that barely have any straight aways. Mind you I have no idea what AVUS actually consists of (could be like skiing on a slope of moguls) but it would seem like the ultimate street race for top speed. I believe the top speed depends on the track and the rules of the series on what is allowed on the car or design of the car. I'm not sure tracks have a maximum speed limit. F1's are limited by their drag. Open wheels and wing settings. If it gets too fast they will shove chicanes in. See the 2 chicanes put on the Mulsanne straight at Le mans. Cars (not F1's) were hitting around 240mph it made it diificult for the drivers too judge the much slower speed needed for the corner at the end of it especially at night. From my limited knowledge of Avus it hasn't been used for years and was mainly used by Hitler to showcase Germanys engineering pre-war with the, for the time, very high powered Mercedes and Auto Unions, I doubt a modern F1 would reach more than 200mph on a street circuit. You are absolutely right on the Avus track not being used. It wasn't until just went back to the link that I see it actually shows the seasons the track was used and it was only used in 1-season back in 59. I was never a big racing fan but used to go to a lot of different races as a kid and loved watching all sorts of races live but now not only can't name top drivers but likely never would have heard of them if somebody did mention their names. However, I am very excited about this and really hope it actually happens. I'd love to see a race like this in the streets of Bangkok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Interesting to those of us not familiar ... Prince Birabongse Bhanudej Bhanubandh (15 July 1914 - 23 December 1985) ... better known as Prince Bira of Siam (now Thailand) or by his nom de course B. Bira, was a Formula One and Grand Prix motor racing driver who raced for the Maserati, Gordini, and Connaught teams, among others. He was also the only Thai race car driver to race in Formula One. Birabongse was the only Southeast Asian driver in Formula One history until Malaysia's Alex Yoong joined Minardi in 2001. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birabongse_Bhanudej Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 What a site for international TV if the mo-cye taxi's & drivers just ignored the race and found a way to use the track as a short cut and just drove down the track the wrong way as the F1's went by and everybody just took it in stride like when they drive on sidewalks and go down the street the wrong way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakman Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Just think of all the work permits needed. Drivers, crew, staff.. whew.. I wonder how long it will take to get them all? Then there is customs for the cars and equipment. I think the biggest question will be where, and what facilities will be provided. Korea was supposed to have a Yacht harbor at their purpose built track, and that didn't happen. Plus their track is one of the bumpiest of the purpose built tracks. I think they'll get dropped from the calendar. Monaco, Singapore, Valencia are all street courses with yacht access. Abu Dahbi is a purpose built track with yacht access. A riverside run would be nice, but there isn't a good place that I know of. Will prove to be interesting, as F-1 politics usually is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Just think of all the work permits needed. Drivers, crew, staff.. whew.. I wonder how long it will take to get them all? They would be exempt from needing work permits under a few different criteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virtualtraveller Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 The Australian govt are seriously considering ditching the Melbourne Aussie GP since it consistently makes a loss. Hosting an F1 is a matter of national pride and there is no shortage of Petrodollar or emerging nations itching to get in on the scene even if it means losing lots of money for the ego trip. It's the same with the olympics, when tax money is being spent you can't put a price on national pride. The FIA know this, so charge top dollar because the list of wannabe's in long. I'm doubtful though that they will run with Bangkok when to other regional cities so close by are hosting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AleG Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 To prevent problems, the government is in need, that the road surface work is done in the last 2 weeks before the race. If it's older, there would be a lot of repairing needed. and I don't think, that anyone want the usual asphalt bumps, after the normal Thai style road repair on a racetrack! Or they giving this to a foreign road construction company. Na, they wouldn't. Foreigners do not do so big paybacks, they need a bit of the money for the work! Seeing the state and planning of BKK´s roads we may very well see the first F1 racing team sponsored by adult diapers. Team Depends, keepin´ it in under any circumstance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickymaster Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Singapore pays a hosting fee 1.2 billion baht ($39.2 million) per year. They gonna need very deep pockets to pull this off. But heck, the taxpayer shoulders a largest chunk anyway. Spending a few billions more or les is not an issue for this government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarangTalk Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Just think of all the work permits needed. Drivers, crew, staff.. whew.. I wonder how long it will take to get them all? They would be exempt from needing work permits under a few different criteria. How so? When I have done short-term work here I have been given a temporary work permit after application at the airport. As far as I am aware there are no "different criteria" that exempt foreigners from work permits no matter the circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kananga Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 If its a street circuit then the traffic will be an even bigger nightmare for the weeks leading up to the race and the week after as certain roads will need to be shut off for the track and diversions for all the traffic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude007 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 May I suggest the Sukhumvit - Rama IV and Petchburi lap? Only a few fly-overs have to be adapted and it is guaranteed that F1 cars will "fly" over... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude007 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Wouldn't they allow as introduction to the F1 race a teen-motorbike-race as the ones that are now being held at night? For sure the noise will be the same! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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