Englands Getting Even Worse !

[roamer]

^{if you had a hotel, would you let heroin uesers stay there?}

^{whould that upset your other guests seeing them sticking needels in themselfs,}

^{i wouldnt like to be in a hotel seeing gay men kissing,}

^{everyone in this world is allowed to have there opinion,}

XXX

[pigeonjake]

all your saying is this lady cant have her rights to be a pracising christian,

[submaniac]

If she wants to be a conservative Christian who believes being gay is wrong...well so be it. But then don't run a bed and breakfast open to the public either. I mean if she wants to sit in the privacy of her own house hating gays, Jews, Muslims, blacks, Asians...fine. But if she wants to open her doors to do business with the public, then you have to deal with the public laws. The public laws are it don't matter who are you, you are entitled to stay at a public accomodation.

Let's change the situation a bit. Instead of her beliefs against gays, let's change it to her beliefs are against having fire extinguishers or emergency exits. Let's change it again so that she now runs a restaurant and her beliefs are against using refrigeration to prevent food from going rancid. Whatever her beliefs she is still got an obligation to follow the health and safety code.

If you want to have whatever belief you want you are still entitled to. She can sit in the privacy of her bedroom hating gays all day as far as I am concerned. However when she chose to run a business she chose to follow public law regarding accomodations.

[endure]

all your saying is this lady cant have her rights to be a pracising christian,

No I'm saying that if she wants to run a business then she has to obey the law.

[Rob8891]

^{if you had a hotel, would you let heroin uesers stay there?}

^{whould that upset your other guests seeing them sticking needels in themselfs,}

^{i wouldnt like to be in a hotel seeing gay men kissing,}

^{everyone in this world is allowed to have there opinion,}

2 different things here, Jake. I am not saying that I am comfortable with being in the same place as two gays kissing (but I think most guys would be hypocritical enough to see two girls making out together!!) but I don't think we can compare that with heroin addicts shooting up, with the possibility of crime to support their habit, or the possibility of used needles around. Maybe that is my prejudice?? But I do not see gay guys as a potential threat in the way I view drug addicts.

[rattler]

Wonder if it would have been any different if it was a Muslim Guesthouse not allowing bacon sandwiches or a gay couple eating bacon sandwiches????

[giddyup]

all your saying is this lady cant have her rights to be a pracising christian,

Practising Christians were burning crosses on people's front lawns and hanging blacks not too long ago.

[rattler]

If she wants to be a conservative Christian who believes being gay is wrong...well so be it. But then don't run a bed and breakfast open to the public either. I mean if she wants to sit in the privacy of her own house hating gays, Jews, Muslims, blacks, Asians...fine. But if she wants to open her doors to do business with the public, then you have to deal with the public laws. The public laws are it don't matter who are you, you are entitled to stay at a public accomodation.

Let's change the situation a bit. Instead of her beliefs against gays, let's change it to her beliefs are against having fire extinguishers or emergency exits. Let's change it again so that she now runs a restaurant and her beliefs are against using refrigeration to prevent food from going rancid. Whatever her beliefs she is still got an obligation to follow the health and safety code.

If you want to have whatever belief you want you are still entitled to. She can sit in the privacy of her bedroom hating gays all day as far as I am concerned. However when she chose to run a business she chose to follow public law regarding accomodations.

Except in Thailand of course.

[pigeonjake]

i wouldnt go to places that gays went to,

i here theres lots of them in jontiem, so ive never been there,

i am allowed my opinion on this just the same as you are, thats the world that we live in,

i wouldnt want to be in a hotel were there was gays,

i dont agree with it, dosnt make me a bad person, i just dont agree with it,

i dont agree with gays adopting children,

i dont agree with gays getting married,

but im not rasist

ive got great black friends, im married to a thai

its all my opinion and i agree with this lady,

you dont

end of story

[endure]

i wouldnt go to places that gays went to,

How do you know?

[Rob8891]

@ Sub..... <deleted>????????

@ Jake One question. Where in the CHRISTIAN part of the bible (the New Testament) does it say that Christ preached against gays? That's not a shot at you, it's a genuine question, I always thaought he preached that one should accept everyone as they are. This is the reason why I cannot accept the woman's actions: I believe that she has hidden her prejudice behind a cloak of "religious beliefs".

[canuckamuck]

I think the issue is that she doesn't want certain activities to occur in her building. But the argument I am seeing presented here is racism; that is a straw man argument, she is not racist. If she didn't want gambling or drinking to happen in her rooms, she has that right, but she is not allowed to prohibit extramarital sex. That seems to me to be a discrimination of her rights as a property owner. I wonder if a cult group wanted to use her facility to perform rituals that were offensive to her and against her faith, that she would be forced to allow that too.

[roamer]

all your saying is this lady cant have her rights to be a pracising christian,

Oh you've got it ! Thought we would never get there. Yes the law overrides belief systems and has done for hundreds if not thousands of years in every culture.

[Rob8891]

Yes, Jake, you are allowed to your opinion. I hope no one is attacking you for it, and I hope you don't feel they are. I have already agreed that I would prefer not to be whhere two gays were kissing etc.... but then again, I don't particularly want to see a man and woman drooling over each other in public.

Whatever our beliefs are, it doeas not mecessarily mean that England is going to the dogs (but it's one more reason to be thankful for living in Scotland just now!! )

[pigeonjake]

like ive just said youve got your opinions, ive got mine they just happen to differ,

itll never be a perfect world

[submaniac]

@ Sub..... <deleted>????????

I don't share the hating beliefs. However, I do believe in someone's right to have whatever belief they want. Some people think Muhammed, some people think Buddha, some people think Jesus. I don't judge. You want to believe the moon is made out of green cheese. I don't care. If someone wants to hate anybody and have whatever idiotic beliefs someone has they are entitled to it. And I mean if someone is sitting in the privacy of their own house, believe what they want to believe. As far as I am concerned people can hate me too. Fine. However, if it starts going from the privacy of someone's own house to something that affects me is when I start not being ok with it.

[endure]

I think the issue is that she doesn't want certain activities to occur in her building. But the argument I am seeing presented here is racism; that is a straw man argument, she is not racist. If she didn't want gambling or drinking to happen in her rooms, she has that right, but she is not allowed to prohibit extramarital sex. That seems to me to be a discrimination of her rights as a property owner. I wonder if a cult group wanted to use her facility to perform rituals that were offensive to her and against her faith, that she would be forced to allow that too.

From a previous post:

"The law makes it illegal to discriminate on the grounds of race, religion , gender or sexual orientation". That's the law in the UK. She runs a public business and is required to obey the law regarding public businesses. If she doesn't want gays (or any other variety of people) in her house then she shouldn't be renting rooms out.

[giddyup]

all your saying is this lady cant have her rights to be a pracising christian,

Oh you've got it ! Thought we would never get there. Yes the law overrides belief systems and has done for hundreds if not thousands of years in every culture.

There are certain Muslim practices that are outlawed in Western societies, like female genital mutilation (clitorectomies).

[pigeonjake]

rob,

you can allways put a smile on my face,,lol

its bloody freezing up here, but im home on the 10th,, cant wait,,

but in between im going fishing for a week with my son, in a bloody tent,,lol

[roamer]

I think the issue is that she doesn't want certain activities to occur in her building. But the argument I am seeing presented here is racism; that is a straw man argument, she is not racist. If she didn't want gambling or drinking to happen in her rooms, she has that right, but she is not allowed to prohibit extramarital sex. That seems to me to be a discrimination of her rights as a property owner. I wonder if a cult group wanted to use her facility to perform rituals that were offensive to her and against her faith, that she would be forced to allow that too.

" I think the issue is that she doesn't want certain activities to occur in her building."

No that is not the issue and even she didn't claim that was the issue.

[Mosha]

I would say they were running the B&B before the pc brigade took over the UK.

[canuckamuck]

So you are saying that if she was Muslim she couldn't prohibit people from shredding Korans in her building.

[Rob8891]

For those who have not seen the news article, here is a link.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19991266

[pigeonjake]

and i can bet that there will be loads of gays going to stay there now, just to rub her nose in it,

[roamer]

all your saying is this lady cant have her rights to be a pracising christian,

Oh you've got it ! Thought we would never get there. Yes the law overrides belief systems and has done for hundreds if not thousands of years in every culture.

There are certain Muslim practices that are outlawed in Western societies, like female genital mutilation (clitorectomies).

Yes and its a criminal offence in the UK to commit or procure such an act.

[Jingthing]

I think the issue is that she doesn't want certain activities to occur in her building. But the argument I am seeing presented here is racism; that is a straw man argument, she is not racist. If she didn't want gambling or drinking to happen in her rooms, she has that right, but she is not allowed to prohibit extramarital sex. That seems to me to be a discrimination of her rights as a property owner. I wonder if a cult group wanted to use her facility to perform rituals that were offensive to her and against her faith, that she would be forced to allow that too.

It's not about racism. It's about homophobia. They happen to be similar.

Speaking before nearly 600 people at the Palmer House Hilton Hotel, Coretta Scott King, the wife of the late Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Tuesday called on the civil rights community to join in the struggle against homophobia and anti-gay bias. “Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood,” King stated. “This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group.” – Chicago Defender, April 1, 1998, front page.

Coretta Scott King

I get what you are suggesting but I don't accept it. If she had a thing about sodomy sex acts she should put up a big sign: No Sodomy Sex Acts Allowed On the Premises and that would include heterosexual sodomy sex acts. That's not the same thing as banning gay PEOPLE as a class. It's more like a NO SMOKING sign.

OK, I don't know whether it would be legal or not to ban sodomy in your B and B in England but it would be a hilarious sign to see on entering. Personally, I would find such a sign ... alluring.

[Rob8891]

and i can bet that there will be loads of gays going to stay there now, just to rub her nose in it,

That is a sad possibility, as it the likelihood of Griffin's gang of thugs getting involved. I could not agree with either outcome.

[roamer]

and i can bet that there will be loads of gays going to stay there now, just to rub her nose in it,

Actually the last I heard was that it was inundated with bookings from National Front members. The vast majority of whom are leather clad tattooed skinheads, sure she will feel OK with them sharing a bed , their not gay of course, just manly

[pigeonjake]

i dont think the national front has been mentioned in all this apart ferom the 2 times you have mentioned them,

so now you saying its bad to have tatoos and a skin head,,??

[Jingthing]

i dont think the national front has been mentioned in all this apart ferom the 2 times you have mentioned them,

so now you saying its bad to have tatoos and a skin head,,??

http://news.cnet.com...e776&s_cid=e776

That's why its in the news. A right wing politician, Nick Griffin, Chairman for the British National Party, published the ADDRESS of the gay couple.