Where there is a big age difference it is probably safe to assume in most cases that the foreigner is marrying a Thai from a lower socio economic group than himself.

Nothing wrong with that. As long as both parties are happy with the arrangment.

Of course it is only natural to also assume that the better educated more monied Thai women will not be so readily available for foreigners. They have more options and they probably dont come into contact anyway with the vast majority of foreigners who visit thailand.

The only place where this doesnt apply is here on thai visa where everyman is married to a girl with a degree or pots of money.

or both heheheh

love it mate,my kind of guy hehehehehe

Read the post I responded to – my comments were providing balance to his experiences, in which he states he does not have friends married to educated Thai woman above a BA. I also did not say people would be jealous of me because of my GF, I said some would be jealous of my friend’s wife’s salary.

I think you will find that many of us are wealthy enough to not worry about any amounts of money a lady can earn. My requirements (in order of importance) are, fertility, housing, looks, personality. If she doesn't have her own home and the ability to produce babies, forget it. A Thai degree that anyone with enough money can buy, is neither here nor there.

However, since you brought it up, an education is a critical quality in a long-term relationship for me. I would expect it in a Western GF or a Thai GF, same with holding a good job, being attractive, a sunny disposition, having no kids and never selling herself for money. I would call these the basic requirements.

Do you question prospective partners about their educational qualifications? What a narrow little world you must live in.

I think you will find that many of us are wealthy enough to not worry about any amounts of money a lady can earn. My requirements (in order of importance) are, fertility, housing, looks, personality. If she doesn't have her own home and the ability to produce babies. A Thai degree that anyone with enough money can buy, is neither here nor there.

A Western degree that anybody with an IQ over 70 could obtain is neither here nor there either. The amount of thick Westerners I have encountered over here that claimed to have a degree in "Media Studies and Culchur" or some such <deleted> is astounding.

I think you will find that many of us are wealthy enough to not worry about any amounts of money a lady can earn. My requirements (in order of importance) are, fertility, housing, looks, personality. If she doesn't have her own home and the ability to produce babies. A Thai degree that anyone with enough money can buy, is neither here nor there.

A Western degree that anybody with an IQ over 70 could obtain is neither here nor there either. The amount of thick Westerners I have encountered over here that claimed to have a degree in "Media Studies and Culchur" or some such <deleted> is astounding.

Do you mean Geoff Chaucer (literary personage) ??

And would that be the study of his works like 'The Canterbury Tales' translated version, or in the original Middle English language?

Whilom, as olde stories tellen us,

Ther was a duc that highte Theseus;

Of Atthenes he was lord and governour,

And in his tyme swich a conquerour,

That gretter was ther noon under the sonne.

Ful many a riche contree hadde he wonne,

What with his wysdom and his chivalrie;

He conquered al the regne of Femenye,

That whilom was ycleped Scithia,

I would be quite impressed by someone who could read that.

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I would be quite impressed by someone who could read that.

At my prep school everyone had to memorize the Canterbury Tales in order to pass up to final year, each student gets about a 20-minute segment and recite it in turns at the end of junior year ceremony. Never thought that would be a pleasant memory, but it is. Senior year had to do Cicero or Caesar in the Latin, and that's still not so pleasant 8-)

Do they have a Master's program for Housewifism ? That'd actually be useful. Basic courses in hoovering, cooking, feeding the litter, specialization in one branch or the other. Thesis, of course, getting a farang hubby.

Actually that pretty much sums up the program I run if you add in the advanced training in the amatory arts and of course the long-term hard slog of getting their English language skills up to snuff, since they're starting from pretty close to zero 90% of the time.

Most do need to be trained in how a western professional expects his shirts to be ironed, how to use a washing machine, why hot water's important, taste in clothes, often to start with - how to use a sit-down toilet.

Ahahahaha. That was a good one. There is a reason Thai dudes don't get upset about farang men 'stealing' their women, because most of us are taking women that they have no interest in at all. Ask some Thai people, foreigners have a reputation for liking ugly women. Foreigners also tend to get the mentally ill, prostitutes, gold diggers, drug and alcohol addicts, and the unemployable. Even women without those major problems usually have something that Thai men consider undesirable, such as being a single mother or just being unattractive. There are a large number of problem women specifically targeting foreigners, as they are seen as easy marks. Foreigner aren't limited to the left overs, but that is what is throwing themselves at them, and a lot of guys just end up with the first girl to hop in to his bed without quoting a price.

summed up pretty much my thoughts on the subject, from what i have seen, its ex prostitutes, instant families and gold diggers from the realms of the prostitution world or with family closely aligned to it.

some farangs, do get the village/suburb virgin girl, but it seems they would not fill a single A380, but are those girls the pick of thai women, probably not in some eyes, innocent, good marriage material, uni/vocational college trained, a job with some or little career value.

see some farangs with instant family, met on the internet women, honest ladies who had a bad first marriage it seems, not the pick of thai women due to that baggage but probably a good solid family type.

have seen some farang in bkk and bigger provincial centres with girls, good jobs/careers who seem to be above the usual farang market.

women from a prostitution background set up by the new farang in her bar/business, now with money and some status, a good catch for thai men, probably not, only for those wanting to be the pua noi or waiting for the farang to pass on.

hi-so girls with farangs never seen any because the wife and i are just little middle class people.

Hi-so girls (I went to school with them) tend to come in three flavours :

1. Self-determinate thrusters; educated, opinionated, as likely to be working in a meaningful position with a global consultancy firm / law firm etc etc in any global city as they are to be in Bangkok. Neither daddy nor mummy tells her what to do . . . not any more, at least. Dates and marries who she dam_n well pleases, dad. *Parents (particularly the father) are known to develop a doting pride in SDT daughters, perhaps as a coping mechanism.

2. Daddy's thruster : similar to the above but far more likely to have returned to roost in Bangkok as part of the wordless pact with her parents : "we'll send you abroad - any where you like - we'll bankroll it too but you have to come back here and do your duty to the family once you've finished your degree(s)". Will have had her fun with plenty that she'll never ever ever tell daddy or future Thai husband (though she might share some juicy tidbits with her divorcing mother in the future). Not unknown to fly the coop (showing signs or morphing into something resembling the Self-Determinate Thruster) and interlope with a foreigner, but is more commonly spotted with a foreigner (if at all) who is there to while away the time while she waits for Mr. Rightchai. *Instances of Daddy's thruster dating foreigners are relatively small compared to the proportion who date Thais because it's just, well, easier in so many ways.

3. Thai hi-so girl : Locally educated (perhaps with some brief stints abroad, not always in the west and certainly not enough for her to escape Thainertia), comes in all sorts of flavour variants. Can't speak much English, which means End of Story, as far as most farang are concerned.

4. Bookish hi-so girl. Does it all by the book. Even if she does marry a farang and happens to have disapproving parents they'll relent because her life and marriage will all be so predictably by the book and safe that they simply can't argue with it. *Is rumoured to have have Jekyll and Hyde moments that may never come to anyone's attention until a marriage breakdown, but these rumours remain unsubstantiated.

why would I need a wife who is University educated.....my school was the 'school of life'

I have been out with some educated women in my time but some of them tended to be a bit 'know it all' and after a while some what boring...

apart from maths I'd say my wife is more clever than me....she can speak/read and just about write English where as most of my Thai is pillow talk....works just fine here

Sorry, can't count.

That should be *four* flavours.

"interlope" should read "elope".

why would I need a wife who is University educated.....my school was the 'school of life'

I have been out with some educated women in my time but some of them tended to be a bit 'know it all' and after a while some what boring...

apart from maths I'd say my wife is more clever than me....she can speak/read and just about write English where as most of my Thai is pillow talk....works just fine here

I'd say it's more to do with the in-dwelling spirit in any case. Mind you, I'd soon get bored of someone who doesn't like learning about things, degree or no degree. If she is of the type who is interested in stuff anyway then having the degree (generally speaking) would be a bonus.

If we get to vote, I'm of the opinion that the OP is trolling. When I'm away from tourist areas, I see average looking Thai guys with really hot Thai girls. There are exceptions but on the whole, the Thai guys put us (farangs) to shame.

At the end of the day, women want to express their feelings and most of us farangs don't really have the language skills to fluently converse in Thai.

Do they have a Master's program for Housewifism ? That'd actually be useful. Basic courses in hoovering, cooking, feeding the litter, specialization in one branch or the other. Thesis, of course, getting a farang hubby.

Actually that pretty much sums up the program I run if you add in the advanced training in the amatory arts and of course the long-term hard slog of getting their English language skills up to snuff, since they're starting from pretty close to zero 90% of the time.

Most do need to be trained in how a western professional expects his shirts to be ironed, how to use a washing machine, why hot water's important, taste in clothes, often to start with - how to use a sit-down toilet.

Oh <deleted>, here we go again with BJB's "program".

Your program??!! Your program ??!! Listen to yourself !!

Who the hell do you think you are??!!

Isn't this the "program" in which you masquerade as an all-round good egg when in reality you're little more than a lascivious, sex-lizard prepared to go the extra devious mile so you can engage in coitus with naive, inexperienced peasant girls? Where you pretend to be some sort of teacher so you can get your end away for free?

You're effectively grooming girls to be prostitutes by providing their first P4P experience and then saying "There you go, sweetheart. That wasn't so bad, was it dear? Same time next week then?"

You're an utter disgrace.

Do they have a Master's program for Housewifism ? That'd actually be useful. Basic courses in hoovering, cooking, feeding the litter, specialization in one branch or the other. Thesis, of course, getting a farang hubby.

Actually that pretty much sums up the program I run if you add in the advanced training in the amatory arts and of course the long-term hard slog of getting their English language skills up to snuff, since they're starting from pretty close to zero 90% of the time.

Most do need to be trained in how a western professional expects his shirts to be ironed, how to use a washing machine, why hot water's important, taste in clothes, often to start with - how to use a sit-down toilet.

Oh <deleted>, here we go again with BJB's "program".

Your program??!! Your program ??!! Listen to yourself !!

Who the hell do you think you are??!!

Isn't this the "program" in which you masquerade as an all-round good egg when in reality you're little more than a lascivious, sex-lizard prepared to go the extra devious mile so you can engage in coitus with naive, inexperienced peasant girls? Where you pretend to be some sort of teacher so you can get your end away for free?

You're effectively grooming girls to be prostitutes by providing their first P4P experience and then saying "There you go, sweetheart. That wasn't so bad, was it dear? Same time next week then?"

You're an utter disgrace.

To whom?

Do they have a Master's program for Housewifism ? That'd actually be useful. Basic courses in hoovering, cooking, feeding the litter, specialization in one branch or the other. Thesis, of course, getting a farang hubby.

Actually that pretty much sums up the program I run if you add in the advanced training in the amatory arts and of course the long-term hard slog of getting their English language skills up to snuff, since they're starting from pretty close to zero 90% of the time.

Most do need to be trained in how a western professional expects his shirts to be ironed, how to use a washing machine, why hot water's important, taste in clothes, often to start with - how to use a sit-down toilet.

Oh <deleted>, here we go again with BJB's "program".

Your program??!! Your program ??!! Listen to yourself !!

Who the hell do you think you are??!!

Isn't this the "program" in which you masquerade as an all-round good egg when in reality you're little more than a lascivious, sex-lizard prepared to go the extra devious mile so you can engage in coitus with naive, inexperienced peasant girls? Where you pretend to be some sort of teacher so you can get your end away for free?

You're effectively grooming girls to be prostitutes by providing their first P4P experience and then saying "There you go, sweetheart. That wasn't so bad, was it dear? Same time next week then?"

You're an utter disgrace.

, must agree.

Sorry, can't count.

That should be *four* flavours.

"interlope" should read "elope".

What wasted education.

Do they have a Master's program for Housewifism ? That'd actually be useful. Basic courses in hoovering, cooking, feeding the litter, specialization in one branch or the other. Thesis, of course, getting a farang hubby.

Actually that pretty much sums up the program I run if you add in the advanced training in the amatory arts and of course the long-term hard slog of getting their English language skills up to snuff, since they're starting from pretty close to zero 90% of the time.

Most do need to be trained in how a western professional expects his shirts to be ironed, how to use a washing machine, why hot water's important, taste in clothes, often to start with - how to use a sit-down toilet.

Oh <deleted>, here we go again with BJB's "program".

Your program??!! Your program ??!! Listen to yourself !!

Who the hell do you think you are??!!

Isn't this the "program" in which you masquerade as an all-round good egg when in reality you're little more than a lascivious, sex-lizard prepared to go the extra devious mile so you can engage in coitus with naive, inexperienced peasant girls? Where you pretend to be some sort of teacher so you can get your end away for free?

You're effectively grooming girls to be prostitutes by providing their first P4P experience and then saying "There you go, sweetheart. That wasn't so bad, was it dear? Same time next week then?"

You're an utter disgrace.

Please don't quote him. It makes my ignore list pointless.

Do they have a Master's program for Housewifism ? That'd actually be useful. Basic courses in hoovering, cooking, feeding the litter, specialization in one branch or the other. Thesis, of course, getting a farang hubby.

Actually that pretty much sums up the program I run if you add in the advanced training in the amatory arts and of course the long-term hard slog of getting their English language skills up to snuff, since they're starting from pretty close to zero 90% of the time.

Most do need to be trained in how a western professional expects his shirts to be ironed, how to use a washing machine, why hot water's important, taste in clothes, often to start with - how to use a sit-down toilet.

Oh <deleted>, here we go again with BJB's "program".

Your program??!! Your program ??!! Listen to yourself !!

Who the hell do you think you are??!!

Isn't this the "program" in which you masquerade as an all-round good egg when in reality you're little more than a lascivious, sex-lizard prepared to go the extra devious mile so you can engage in coitus with naive, inexperienced peasant girls? Where you pretend to be some sort of teacher so you can get your end away for free?

You're effectively grooming girls to be prostitutes by providing their first P4P experience and then saying "There you go, sweetheart. That wasn't so bad, was it dear? Same time next week then?"

You're an utter disgrace.

To whom?

Take your pick. Common decency, mankind etc., etc.

Take your pick. Common decency, mankind etc., etc.

I'd assumed he was just trolling for a reaction, pretty sad if he was trying to be serious.

You're an utter disgrace.

Thanks for sharing your views once again HS.

Unlike many others here I don't deceive anyone to get my admittedly low-cost play sessions, but that's from a POV of only looking at the cash side of things, if you count my time spent even at a very low rate per hour (say B300) then it actually works out to much more than patronizing the more usual sources.

And they and their families fully know what they're agreeing to before they sign on, they end up getting a very good chance at a better life without having to enter the explicit sex trade - and 90% of them would have ended up there believe me, that's part of how I screen them.

And they don't end up in that business, the vast majority end up getting exactly what they set out to get, married to a decent farang, not necessarily rich but comfortable, stable and so far they've ended up much happier than what I see in "normal" marriages back home.

Word of mouth among the upcountry families sends them my way - if I was doing anything against their interest would that be the case? Would they continue to keep in touch for years, in some cases 10+ years, send me photos of their kids, I visit with their folks when I'm in the village etc etc.

Anyway my own conscience is clear, don't know why I bother.

Take your pick. Common decency, mankind etc., etc.

I'd assumed he was just trolling for a reaction, pretty sad if he was trying to be serious.

If only that were the case. He's mentioned this "program" on several threads in the past. He really does try to catch them young before - according to him - they run off to Pattaya to work in the bars. He claims that by inducting them into his "finishing" school, he gives them a better chance of meeting and marrying well-to-do foreigners who'll be impressed with their English and their domestic abilities - in and out of the bedroom.

you masquerade as an all-round good egg

Take your pick. Common decency, mankind etc., etc.

I'd assumed he was just trolling for a reaction, pretty sad if he was trying to be serious.

If only that were the case. He's mentioned this "program" on several threads in the past. He really does try to catch them young before - according to him - they run off to Pattaya to work in the bars. He claims that by inducting them into his "finishing" school, he gives them a better chance of meeting and marrying well-to-do foreigners who'll be impressed with their English and their domestic abilities - in and out of the bedroom.

Thought Sir Jimmy was dead.

You're an utter disgrace.

Thanks for sharing your views once again HS.

Unlike many others here I don't deceive anyone to get my admittedly low-cost play sessions, but that's from a POV of only looking at the cash side of things, if you count my time spent even at a very low rate per hour (say B300) then it actually works out to much more than patronizing the more usual sources.

And they and their families fully know what they're agreeing to before they sign on, they end up getting a very good chance at a better life without having to enter the explicit sex trade - and 90% of them would have ended up there believe me, that's part of how I screen them.

And they don't end up in that business, the vast majority end up getting exactly what they set out to get, married to a decent farang, not necessarily rich but comfortable, stable and so far they've ended up much happier than what I see in "normal" marriages back home.

Word of mouth among the upcountry families sends them my way - if I was doing anything against their interest would that be the case? Would they continue to keep in touch for years, in some cases 10+ years, send me photos of their kids, I visit with their folks when I'm in the village etc etc.

Anyway my own conscience is clear, don't know why I bother.

Well your conscience shouldn't be clear.

I find it hard to believe that parents would seek out your facilities let alone condone their daughter's attendance at a "finishing" school where they know she'll be having sex with an elderly man as payment for learning how to iron, clean and do laundry to a Western standard.

Oh well, maybe one day, someone'll send the police round to your gaff to check ID cards and the like.

I feel sick.

I find it hard to believe that parents would seek out your facilities let alone condone their daughter's attendance at a "finishing" school where they know she'll be having sex with an elderly man as payment for learning how to iron, clean and do laundry to a Western standard.

Oh well, maybe one day, someone'll send the police round to your gaff to check ID cards and the like.

Actually they're motivated by the fact that they end up fluent in English and capable of marrying a farang husband and you know yourself the only other way that's going to happen.

My getting serviced or not is completely up to the girl, some of them work off their fees in other ways and for the particularly keen ones I'm happy to keep them on basically for free. They're free to say no anytime, and most do end up working outside the house, some at quite decent jobs once they've got a fair way along in their English and computer skills, some as guides, one runs a housecleaning agency another set up a fried chicken stall - I'm particularly proud of the ones that turn out to be entrepeneurial, and hope to end up having some that set their sights higher than just getting married.

And the police have been round, in fact I tutor the niece of a local cop. And no there's no corruption involved, the simple fact is I'm not doing anything wrong, much less illegal. Maybe it's just y'alls imagination going wild.

I find it hard to believe that parents would seek out your facilities let alone condone their daughter's attendance at a "finishing" school where they know she'll be having sex with an elderly man as payment for learning how to iron, clean and do laundry to a Western standard.

Oh well, maybe one day, someone'll send the police round to your gaff to check ID cards and the like.

Actually they're motivated by the fact that they end up fluent in English and capable of marrying a farang husband and you know yourself the only other way that's going to happen.

My getting serviced or not is completely up to the girl, some of them work off their fees in other ways and for the particularly keen ones I'm happy to keep them on basically for free. They're free to say no anytime, and most do end up working outside the house, some at quite decent jobs once they've got a fair way along in their English and computer skills, some as guides, one runs a housecleaning agency another set up a fried chicken stall - I'm particularly proud of the ones that turn out to be entrepeneurial, and hope to end up having some that set their sights higher than just getting married.

And the police have been round, in fact I tutor the niece of a local cop. And no there's no corruption involved, the simple fact is I'm not doing anything wrong, much less illegal. Maybe it's just y'alls imagination going wild.

Sir Jimmy is alive.

My wife and I have just celebrated our 14th wedding anniversary, she has a degree, we moved here 3 years ago from the UK. All of our friends are Thai/farang mix and none with a bar girl...(well one). They all are former air hostesses or currently still are and mainly all Bangkok families!

My point finally, is that if they know a little about the world, they will go for farang every time! It isn't about money, we are not rich, comfortable, but not rich, we both still have to work. It's about respect, Thai women do not feel respected by Thai men. Their are exceptions of course, one of my brothers in law for one, great man, good dad, good to his family, the other one who is married to a loverly women, is a <deleted> of the highest order!

If you think it's all just about money, your doing it wrong!

its funny how you mention only 1 with bargirl but the immediate statement you mention the rest are air hostesses.

I think it describes how many is ALL his friends.

I feel sick.

So do I, physically sick. There really are some despicable, disgusting creatures that inhabit this forum, and this world.

I always tought big John was a cool kat ,seems to know his stuff about Thailand ,always interesting to read your posts

If it isn't a topic about bargirls ,the word falang or westerners getting ripped off most posters stay at home ,your opinions usually strike a cord with me .

But after reading what you have just posted I have a horrible feeling in my gut ,really man that's the way you get laid? ,and you seem very proud........ quite sad ...I hope never to meet you

See you later loser