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.... but there are a lot of hunters in those states and it can be convenient to carry equipment to hunt before or after work.

Whilst the more sensible and practical get their meat at Walmart on the way to or from work.

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.... but there are a lot of hunters in those states and it can be convenient to carry equipment to hunt before or after work.

Whilst the more sensible and practical get their meat at Walmart on the way to or from work.

That's one wonderful thing about the U.S. you are entitled to your opinion, but the rest of us can still do what we want without breaking any laws.

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Hardly wait for the replies to this. wink.png

They are pushing the self defense apect of this, but there are a lot of hunters in those states and it can be convenient to carry equipment to hunt before or after work.

laugh.pngclap2.gifcheesy.gif Funniest thing I've heard on a while, thank you

Not everyone picks up road kill on the way home some prefer to shoot their own.biggrin.png

hahaha, I can imagine walking through the front door of the house and your wife asking what you shot & brought home for dinner, "2 republicans and an angry driver"cheesy.gif

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They are pushing the self defense apect of this, but there are a lot of hunters in those states and it can be convenient to carry equipment to hunt before or after work.

laugh.pngclap2.gifcheesy.gif Funniest thing I've heard on a while, thank you

Not everyone picks up road kill on the way home some prefer to shoot their own.biggrin.png

hahaha, I can imagine walking through the front door of the house and your wife asking what you shot & brought home for dinner, "2 republicans and an angry driver"cheesy.gif

I think it is important that you all (non American non gun owners) have some idea about the culture which I believe you fail to grasp. It is important and all pervasive in certain parts of America.

Just why do Americans want to bring guns to work? How common is it? I think I may be able to answer that.

Hunting season kickoff brings auto factories to a screeching halt

While most of the country will head routinely to work Friday, workers at General Motors Co., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler Group will get the day off. Why? It's the start of deer-hunting season, a peculiar benefits quirk stemming from collective bargaining, corporate needs and Midwestern outdoors culture.During contract negotiations in the late 1990s, the automakers agreed to make Veterans Day a paid day off — but with a catch. The United Auto Workers didn't necessarily want to celebrate Veterans Day.

http://articles.lati...unting-20121115

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hahaha, I can imagine walking through the front door of the house and your wife asking what you shot & brought home for dinner, "2 republicans and an angry driver"cheesy.gif

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I think it is important that you all (non American non gun owners) have some idea about the culture which I believe you fail to grasp. It is important and all pervasive in certain parts of America.

Just why do Americans want to bring guns to work? How common is it? I think I may be able to answer that.

Hunting season kickoff brings auto factories to a screeching halt

While most of the country will head routinely to work Friday, workers at General Motors Co., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler Group will get the day off. Why? It's the start of deer-hunting season, a peculiar benefits quirk stemming from collective bargaining, corporate needs and Midwestern outdoors culture.During contract negotiations in the late 1990s, the automakers agreed to make Veterans Day a paid day off — but with a catch. The United Auto Workers didn't necessarily want to celebrate Veterans Day.

http://articles.lati...unting-20121115

Writing about a deal which was negotiated by auto union members who in in any other circumstances would probably be described as 'socialist miltant communist union members' by the OP and his ilk.

Any port in a storm I guess.....

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I think it is important that you all (non American non gun owners) have some idea about the culture which I believe you fail to grasp. It is important and all pervasive in certain parts of America.

Just why do Americans want to bring guns to work? How common is it? I think I may be able to answer that.

Hunting season kickoff brings auto factories to a screeching halt

While most of the country will head routinely to work Friday, workers at General Motors Co., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler Group will get the day off. Why? It's the start of deer-hunting season, a peculiar benefits quirk stemming from collective bargaining, corporate needs and Midwestern outdoors culture.During contract negotiations in the late 1990s, the automakers agreed to make Veterans Day a paid day off — but with a catch. The United Auto Workers didn't necessarily want to celebrate Veterans Day.

http://articles.lati...unting-20121115

Writing about a deal which was negotiated by auto union members who in in any other circumstances would probably be described as 'socialist miltant communist union members' by the OP and his ilk.

Any port in a storm I guess.....

Do you mean me as the OP?

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^^ sorry, should have been clearer: you.

My whole family was auto workers both union and management; engineers and machine operators. My father was the president of the society of automotive engineers. My grandfather was one of the first union members at Ford to be shot at with machine guns. We had dinner together most Sundays; big family. Talked sports and unions and hunting. They were all hunters. We had a deer hunting cabin in the Upper peninsula of Michigan. I shot my first deer with a high powered rifle at 11 years old and cleaned and ate the animal with the rest of the family.

That's what I was trying to say. Hunters cross all social boundaries. Just normal guys some make big money some not. Some college educated some not. Some were raised with bowling on the green and some shooting ducks and deer. A lot of times I went hunting after work when I worked the night shift. Most times bird hunting; duck and pheasant. I had a shotgun in my trunk. I never thought much about it.

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BRITISH HOST SLAMS AMERICANS FOR GUNS

Drudgereport headline.

Finally on the 26th I heard about this on BBC radio 4 news. Now this will be a big story. Thai Visa well ahead of the pack. Can We start a petition not to have P.M back. We don't want him,send him to Coventry.

I reckon you'd get more votes than the entire US.

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It has happened,the U.K media have noticed the P.Morgan story,and low and behold a new petition asking for P.Morgan to remain in the U.S.A has started. The Sun newspaper gave out details. Funny The Sun never mentioned that they would want him back at News international.

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I am all for the 2nd amendment and gun rights and ownership , same as I am all for the 1st amendment.

However the most sensible post I have seen here have pointed out that all the companies are doing is not allowing people to park in the private company parking lot.

You don't have the right to bear arms in my private home , business , car or any other place that belongs to me unless I allow it. You don't have the right to talk about the Pope or your political opinions in my house unless I allow it.

So the question really becomes for me .... does the government have the right to force me to allow people to exercise their rights against my wishes on my private property , of course thats done all the time , racist people are forced to not discriminate by law in hiring for example , because it's deemed to be in the public interest and therefore overrides personal desires.

So is it in the public interest to allow people to Park in a parking lot against the wishes of the company ? I'm sorry but it's not , the reality is in an obese nation a little extra walking would do most people some good !

The bottom line for me is that the policies are not so restrictive to the gun owners that they could not bring their gun to work if they wanted to , it's just they want a more convenient parking space , and thats just not enough for me to take away the rights of the private property owner in a general sweeping nature ......

However in a situation such as a remote man camp where the private property of the company extended down the road for 15 miles like a logging camp for example , I might have a different opinion , my opinion then would probably be that the company policy would make it so unreasonably difficult for the gun owner to exercise his rights that the company policy was infringing on them, and rule that while a company has the right to forbid firearms on their property in most situations, they don't have the right to do it, or their rights don't supercede the rights of the employees, in a situation where the employees only reasonable choice was to not be able to bear his arms or quit his job.

The reasoning behind that is that it doesn't serve the public interest to allow companies to unreasonably deny people's rights just because they don't like the rights people have. It's a balance between the 2 parties rights , a mere inconvenience goes to the company , a complete loss of the ability to exercise one's rights goes to the individuals ...... sometimes you win sometimes you lose.

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First let me apologize for citing a Fox News source. However since the liberal main stream media doesn't often report on such incidents as this, it is sometimes necessary to link to an article only Fox will report.

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Mom hides children, shoots intruder Paul Ali Slater 5 times

Posted on: 12:06 am, January 6, 2013, by Web Staff, updated on: 07:48pm, January 6, 2013

LOGANVILLE, Ga. — A Georgia mother hid her two 9-year-old twins and shot an intruder, Paul Ali Slater, several times during a home invasion on Friday, according to multiple media reports.

The Loganville mother said she didn’t initially answer when someone knocked on her door around 1 p.m. Friday. When the visitor began repeatedly ringing the doorbell, she called her husband at work, according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution.

He then dialed 911 and his 37-year-old wife gathered their 9-year-old twins and hid them in a crawlspace inside the home.

According to the report, the intruder then forced his way into the home and started “rummaging” through the family’s belongings. When the suspect went into the closet where the family was hiding ,the woman fired six bullets at the suspect, five of which hit alleged suspect Paul Ali Slater in the face and neck area.

“He opens the closet door and finds himself staring down the barrel of a .38 revolver,” Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Read more here: http://myfox8.com/2013/01/06/ga-mom-shoots-intruder-5-times-saves-children/

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First let me apologize for citing a Fox News source. However since the liberal main stream media doesn't often report on such incidents as this, it is sometimes necessary to link to an article only Fox will report.

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Mom hides children, shoots intruder Paul Ali Slater 5 times

Posted on: 12:06 am, January 6, 2013, by Web Staff, updated on: 07:48pm, January 6, 2013

LOGANVILLE, Ga. — A Georgia mother hid her two 9-year-old twins and shot an intruder, Paul Ali Slater, several times during a home invasion on Friday, according to multiple media reports.

The Loganville mother said she didn’t initially answer when someone knocked on her door around 1 p.m. Friday. When the visitor began repeatedly ringing the doorbell, she called her husband at work, according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution.

He then dialed 911 and his 37-year-old wife gathered their 9-year-old twins and hid them in a crawlspace inside the home.

According to the report, the intruder then forced his way into the home and started “rummaging” through the family’s belongings. When the suspect went into the closet where the family was hiding ,the woman fired six bullets at the suspect, five of which hit alleged suspect Paul Ali Slater in the face and neck area.

“He opens the closet door and finds himself staring down the barrel of a .38 revolver,” Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Read more here: http://myfox8.com/20...saves-children/

So, let me be the Devil's Advocate here.

This guy was (as far as I understand) a burglar.

He obviously rang the doorbell repeatedly, to make sure no one was home.

I further assume, that if Mrs. Soandso had answered the door, he most probably would have made up a story, excused himself and gone away.

She didn't answer the door, so he assumed that no one was home and it was "safe" to rob the house.

If he had assumed right, no one was in the house, he might have stolen some stuff, that Mrs. Soandso later claimed at her insurance company aaaaaaaaaand....that would be it!

She decided NOT to answer the door (why that? Only god knows...and i don't believe in him!), called her husband,called 911 (because someone was at the door! Spoooooky! At 1 in the afternoon...in broad daylight!) and as he did not stop ringing the doorbell, she took her kids to hide in the closet! As you do, when someone rings your doorbell!

...and then she shot the guy!

“My wife is a hero. She protected her kids. She did what she was supposed to do as responsible, prepared gun owner,” Donnie Herman told WSB-TV.

Is it just me or are there some really strange parts to this story?

The part with the paranoia f.e., that makes you call your husband and 911, if someone rings your doorbell during daytime???

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First let me apologize for citing a Fox News source. However since the liberal main stream media doesn't often report on such incidents as this, it is sometimes necessary to link to an article only Fox will report.

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Mom hides children, shoots intruder Paul Ali Slater 5 times

Posted on: 12:06 am, January 6, 2013, by Web Staff, updated on: 07:48pm, January 6, 2013

LOGANVILLE, Ga. — A Georgia mother hid her two 9-year-old twins and shot an intruder, Paul Ali Slater, several times during a home invasion on Friday, according to multiple media reports.

The Loganville mother said she didn’t initially answer when someone knocked on her door around 1 p.m. Friday. When the visitor began repeatedly ringing the doorbell, she called her husband at work, according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution.

He then dialed 911 and his 37-year-old wife gathered their 9-year-old twins and hid them in a crawlspace inside the home.

According to the report, the intruder then forced his way into the home and started “rummaging” through the family’s belongings. When the suspect went into the closet where the family was hiding ,the woman fired six bullets at the suspect, five of which hit alleged suspect Paul Ali Slater in the face and neck area.

“He opens the closet door and finds himself staring down the barrel of a .38 revolver,” Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Read more here: http://myfox8.com/20...saves-children/

So, let me be the Devil's Advocate here.

This guy was (as far as I understand) a burglar.

He obviously rang the doorbell repeatedly, to make sure no one was home.

I further assume, that if Mrs. Soandso had answered the door, he most probably would have made up a story, excused himself and gone away.

She didn't answer the door, so he assumed that no one was home and it was "safe" to rob the house.

If he had assumed right, no one was in the house, he might have stolen some stuff, that Mrs. Soandso later claimed at her insurance company aaaaaaaaaand....that would be it!

She decided NOT to answer the door (why that? Only god knows...and i don't believe in him!), called her husband,called 911 (because someone was at the door! Spoooooky! At 1 in the afternoon...in broad daylight!) and as he did not stop ringing the doorbell, she took her kids to hide in the closet! As you do, when someone rings your doorbell!

...and then she shot the guy!

“My wife is a hero. She protected her kids. She did what she was supposed to do as responsible, prepared gun owner,” Donnie Herman told WSB-TV.

Is it just me or are there some really strange parts to this story?

The part with the paranoia f.e., that makes you call your husband and 911, if someone rings your doorbell during daytime???

So it is her fault for protecting her daughters and her own life?

She is wrong and the person breaking into her home is right?

What a strange moral compass you seem to operate with.

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It's a good thing her husband didn't bring the gun to work.

How do you know the family doesn't own more than one gun and he did, indeed, bring a gun to work?

I haven't located an article where he shot anybody though. Have you found anything yet?

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First let me apologize for citing a Fox News source. However since the liberal main stream media doesn't often report on such incidents as this, it is sometimes necessary to link to an article only Fox will report.

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Mom hides children, shoots intruder Paul Ali Slater 5 times

Posted on: 12:06 am, January 6, 2013, by Web Staff, updated on: 07:48pm, January 6, 2013

LOGANVILLE, Ga. — A Georgia mother hid her two 9-year-old twins and shot an intruder, Paul Ali Slater, several times during a home invasion on Friday, according to multiple media reports.

The Loganville mother said she didn’t initially answer when someone knocked on her door around 1 p.m. Friday. When the visitor began repeatedly ringing the doorbell, she called her husband at work, according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution.

He then dialed 911 and his 37-year-old wife gathered their 9-year-old twins and hid them in a crawlspace inside the home.

According to the report, the intruder then forced his way into the home and started “rummaging” through the family’s belongings. When the suspect went into the closet where the family was hiding ,the woman fired six bullets at the suspect, five of which hit alleged suspect Paul Ali Slater in the face and neck area.

“He opens the closet door and finds himself staring down the barrel of a .38 revolver,” Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Read more here: http://myfox8.com/20...saves-children/

So, let me be the Devil's Advocate here.

This guy was (as far as I understand) a burglar.

He obviously rang the doorbell repeatedly, to make sure no one was home.

I further assume, that if Mrs. Soandso had answered the door, he most probably would have made up a story, excused himself and gone away.

She didn't answer the door, so he assumed that no one was home and it was "safe" to rob the house.

If he had assumed right, no one was in the house, he might have stolen some stuff, that Mrs. Soandso later claimed at her insurance company aaaaaaaaaand....that would be it!

She decided NOT to answer the door (why that? Only god knows...and i don't believe in him!), called her husband,called 911 (because someone was at the door! Spoooooky! At 1 in the afternoon...in broad daylight!) and as he did not stop ringing the doorbell, she took her kids to hide in the closet! As you do, when someone rings your doorbell!

...and then she shot the guy!

“My wife is a hero. She protected her kids. She did what she was supposed to do as responsible, prepared gun owner,” Donnie Herman told WSB-TV.

Is it just me or are there some really strange parts to this story?

The part with the paranoia f.e., that makes you call your husband and 911, if someone rings your doorbell during daytime???

Quite possibly she got a look at the guy and for what ever reason assumed he was up to no good. B&E's during the day are not uncommon with so many houses having both the husband and wife working. In fact I think in most middle class suburbs the odds of finding an empty house in the middle of the day is far higher than at night so it is not unreasonable to assume ill intent from an unknown at the door (if he looks the part).

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First let me apologize for citing a Fox News source. However since the liberal main stream media doesn't often report on such incidents as this, it is sometimes necessary to link to an article only Fox will report.

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Mom hides children, shoots intruder Paul Ali Slater 5 times

Posted on: 12:06 am, January 6, 2013, by Web Staff, updated on: 07:48pm, January 6, 2013

LOGANVILLE, Ga. — A Georgia mother hid her two 9-year-old twins and shot an intruder, Paul Ali Slater, several times during a home invasion on Friday, according to multiple media reports.

The Loganville mother said she didn’t initially answer when someone knocked on her door around 1 p.m. Friday. When the visitor began repeatedly ringing the doorbell, she called her husband at work, according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution.

He then dialed 911 and his 37-year-old wife gathered their 9-year-old twins and hid them in a crawlspace inside the home.

According to the report, the intruder then forced his way into the home and started “rummaging” through the family’s belongings. When the suspect went into the closet where the family was hiding ,the woman fired six bullets at the suspect, five of which hit alleged suspect Paul Ali Slater in the face and neck area.

“He opens the closet door and finds himself staring down the barrel of a .38 revolver,” Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Read more here: http://myfox8.com/20...saves-children/

So, let me be the Devil's Advocate here.

This guy was (as far as I understand) a burglar.

He obviously rang the doorbell repeatedly, to make sure no one was home.

I further assume, that if Mrs. Soandso had answered the door, he most probably would have made up a story, excused himself and gone away.

She didn't answer the door, so he assumed that no one was home and it was "safe" to rob the house.

If he had assumed right, no one was in the house, he might have stolen some stuff, that Mrs. Soandso later claimed at her insurance company aaaaaaaaaand....that would be it!

She decided NOT to answer the door (why that? Only god knows...and i don't believe in him!), called her husband,called 911 (because someone was at the door! Spoooooky! At 1 in the afternoon...in broad daylight!) and as he did not stop ringing the doorbell, she took her kids to hide in the closet! As you do, when someone rings your doorbell!

...and then she shot the guy!

“My wife is a hero. She protected her kids. She did what she was supposed to do as responsible, prepared gun owner,” Donnie Herman told WSB-TV.

Is it just me or are there some really strange parts to this story?

The part with the paranoia f.e., that makes you call your husband and 911, if someone rings your doorbell during daytime???

So it is her fault for protecting her daughters and her own life?

She is wrong and the person breaking into her home is right?

What a strange moral compass you seem to operate with.

Who said that?

Do you ever try to start up your brain, when you are commenting?

Okay, I make it clear for you:

in what country do you call your husband and 911, if someone is ringing the doorbell?

in what country don't you open the door and ask, what the person wants?

in what country do take your children and hide in a closet with a gun when the doorbell- ringing continues?

Before it even comes to shooting, there are some questions, that I would like to ask...f.e. "Yes, sir? Can I help you?"

Please note: 1 PM! Lunchtime! Not some foggy night!

And NO, I don't condone burglary and the trespasser was not right in doing so!

But if she was so afraid: why not sneak out the backdoor and wait for the police?

A thief got shot!

...oh, I forgot: we are talking about the country, where deer is killed with automatic rifles!

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It would also appear that the burglar was unarmed.

Since when was being armed the only criteria for being a threat? I suppose beating the crap out of a women and raping her wouldn't be a threat at all would it.

The fact is, she was the one that had to make a judgement call, and considering the guy was a convict, maybe it was good she erred on the side of caution. I certainly wouldn't criticize her without knowing more details to the contrary.

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First let me apologize for citing a Fox News source. However since the liberal main stream media doesn't often report on such incidents as this, it is sometimes necessary to link to an article only Fox will report.

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Mom hides children, shoots intruder Paul Ali Slater 5 times

Posted on: 12:06 am, January 6, 2013, by Web Staff, updated on: 07:48pm, January 6, 2013

LOGANVILLE, Ga. — A Georgia mother hid her two 9-year-old twins and shot an intruder, Paul Ali Slater, several times during a home invasion on Friday, according to multiple media reports.

The Loganville mother said she didn’t initially answer when someone knocked on her door around 1 p.m. Friday. When the visitor began repeatedly ringing the doorbell, she called her husband at work, according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution.

He then dialed 911 and his 37-year-old wife gathered their 9-year-old twins and hid them in a crawlspace inside the home.

According to the report, the intruder then forced his way into the home and started “rummaging” through the family’s belongings. When the suspect went into the closet where the family was hiding ,the woman fired six bullets at the suspect, five of which hit alleged suspect Paul Ali Slater in the face and neck area.

“He opens the closet door and finds himself staring down the barrel of a .38 revolver,” Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Read more here: http://myfox8.com/20...saves-children/

So, let me be the Devil's Advocate here.

This guy was (as far as I understand) a burglar.

He obviously rang the doorbell repeatedly, to make sure no one was home.

I further assume, that if Mrs. Soandso had answered the door, he most probably would have made up a story, excused himself and gone away.

She didn't answer the door, so he assumed that no one was home and it was "safe" to rob the house.

If he had assumed right, no one was in the house, he might have stolen some stuff, that Mrs. Soandso later claimed at her insurance company aaaaaaaaaand....that would be it!

She decided NOT to answer the door (why that? Only god knows...and i don't believe in him!), called her husband,called 911 (because someone was at the door! Spoooooky! At 1 in the afternoon...in broad daylight!) and as he did not stop ringing the doorbell, she took her kids to hide in the closet! As you do, when someone rings your doorbell!

...and then she shot the guy!

“My wife is a hero. She protected her kids. She did what she was supposed to do as responsible, prepared gun owner,” Donnie Herman told WSB-TV.

Is it just me or are there some really strange parts to this story?

The part with the paranoia f.e., that makes you call your husband and 911, if someone rings your doorbell during daytime???

Actually, her behavior wasn't unusual at all. Opening the doors to strangers isn't done in many neighborhoods, apparently even here in Thailand. I don't know if True still does it, but they had advertisements about security measures when sending service technicians to residences so one could verify they were legitimate.

Anyway, the more you guys who have never lived in the U.S. try to imply that we're stupid, the more ignorant you appear, do keep up the good work.

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It would also appear that the burglar was unarmed.

I re-read the article and couldn't find any reference to whether the man breaking and entering the house illegally was armed or not.

Since we are in the habit of assuming things around here...let us further assume the burglar is a 6'4" illegal immigrant and she is a 5'2" housewife with two daughters to protect. OK?

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It would also appear that the burglar was unarmed.

I re-read the article and couldn't find any reference to whether the man breaking and entering the house illegally was armed or not.

Since we are in the habit of assuming things around here...let us further assume the burglar is a 6'4" illegal immigrant and she is a 5'2" housewife with two daughters to protect. OK?

He broke in using a crow bar. I would classify that as being armed with a potentially deadly weapon especially against a woman and two 9 year olds. Looking at his picture he appears to be a fairly good sized guy so armed or not he would have presented a clear and present danger.

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