Gobsmacked

[richard_smith237]

I like it that they start to enforce trafic laws like not letting people drive drunk, and jumping lights on busy intersections is alwo something they should get people for.

The question is who are "they".

The laws and enforcement of those laws is up to the police, and up to the people of Thailand to obey them.

It is not my place as a "visitor", albeit long-term, to complain about such stuff. This line of thinking is no different from buying a house near an airport and then complaining abut the noise.

My philosophy is; When in Rome, do what the Romans do. The place was functioning long before I got here and will probably continue to do so after I have gone.

Think about that next time you go through a green light.

Someone going through on red might be thinking 'when in Rome'.... It's little consolation if you are hurt.

I care about those around me which is why I pass on my opinion, especially when it comes to subjects as uncontroversial as road safety.

And another point... If the Romans had followed the same philosophy.. 'when in Rome'... (albeit a somewhat incongruous concept but I'll continue with my point nonetheless) history would be very different.... the development of society, Thai, French, Australian or any other is influenced by a multitude of factors a significant one of which is education much of which is passed on through various cultures and countries.

Some of us may have intelligent knowledge of value to pass on to those around us, we can also learn a great deal from those around us. It would be stupid of us to only accept a one way flow of information, in effect living the 'when in Rome' mantra... which in itself is not the silliest of phrases but its use is fundamentally flawed in this debate.

[transam]

Having done 120,000k plus in 10 years on me 2 bikes, still have 2 legs, and the cost of petrol could not

more than 50k, I find the faux moralizers hard to take. ie those in cars and spending shed loads on air con.

U destroy the World; I'll jump a lite when there is nothing visible for 200 meters and I'm nowhere near a main road.. Cost me less than u 4 wheelers spend in a day on pollution.

There was humour in the op. Please get some in your lives,

The global warming debate bears no relevance whatsoever to jumping a red light...

Attempting to use such an arguement to moralize the stupidity of jumping a red light leads to conclusions of a suspect intellect.

I hope no one else is hurt when Darwinism takes effect.

there is a connection as I use less gas if I'm not idling at a light, thereby lessening GW.

Would have thought the highly evolved would have worked that out quickly, but it seems Darwinsm moves at different speeds even within the same species.

Junp a light and catch up with the rest of the race.

Stupid analogy. God 'elp us.

[Soi Sauce]

Having done 120,000k plus in 10 years on me 2 bikes, still have 2 legs, and the cost of petrol could not

more than 50k, I find the faux moralizers hard to take. ie those in cars and spending shed loads on air con.

U destroy the World; I'll jump a lite when there is nothing visible for 200 meters and I'm nowhere near a main road.. Cost me less than u 4 wheelers spend in a day on pollution.

There was humour in the op. Please get some in your lives,

The global warming debate bears no relevance whatsoever to jumping a red light...

Attempting to use such an arguement to moralize the stupidity of jumping a red light leads to conclusions of a suspect intellect.

I hope no one else is hurt when Darwinism takes effect.

there is a connection as I use less gas if I'm not idling at a light, thereby lessening GW.

Would have thought the highly evolved would have worked that out quickly, but it seems Darwinsm moves at different speeds even within the same species.

Junp a light and catch up with the rest of the race.

Stupid analogy. God 'elp us.

Why? And didn't Darwinism prove there is no God?

Like the way your lights go from amber to green, Means u can go now. Moving forward might help!

[Semper]

There was humour in the op. Please get some in your lives,

If you say so. What was the humorous part?

[transam]

There was humour in the op. Please get some in your lives,

If you say so. What was the humorous part?

I would be interested too.

[Soi Sauce]

Wrong.

Try again. Poster 2 got it.

[metisdead]

Inflammatory posts and replies have been removed.

[richard_smith237]

Do not argue with an idiot they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience...... (Mark Twain)

Edited January 14, 2013 by metisdead
: Bold font removed.

[macknife]

Actually Ive always wondered why Thais in Bangkok will regularly jump red lights but up country I've seen them waiting at a red light for ages when there isn't another car for miles.

[transam]

Actually Ive always wondered why Thais in Bangkok will regularly jump red lights but up country I've seen them waiting at a red light for ages when there isn't another car for miles.

Not where l am , But some folk fear moving on a green cos of the continuous red light jumper numnut.

[Nebula]

You forget that even if you decide to wait for the green and then a bit more, to let the scooters go first.... the car behind you may not be willing to wait, especially if it is a taxi or a pickup truck. They ll beep or try to go around u. The same while driving, and there s nowhere to go, you just keep your distance with the car in front of you and still the car ( van in my last case) was beeping. Funnily, I just opened my left hand and turned my head left a bit as trying to say, what do you want man...where to go, and he kind of slowed down. there was bus on my left, and car in front .. he realized it I guess. As for the red light.... when there r no cars coming, and u burn under the sun...and most bikes are going...

[VocalNeal]

Some of us may have intelligent knowledge of value to pass on to those around us,

To paraphrase Semper. What was the intelligent part?

[BSJ]

Having done 120,000k plus in 10 years on me 2 bikes, still have 2 legs, and the cost of petrol could not

more than 50k, I find the faux moralizers hard to take. ie those in cars and spending shed loads on air con.

U destroy the World; I'll jump a lite when there is nothing visible for 200 meters and I'm nowhere near a main road.. Cost me less than u 4 wheelers spend in a day on pollution.

There was humour in the op. Please get some in your lives,

The global warming debate bears no relevance whatsoever to jumping a red light...

Attempting to use such an arguement to moralize the stupidity of jumping a red light leads to conclusions of a suspect intellect.

I hope no one else is hurt when Darwinism takes effect.

there is a connection as I use less gas if I'm not idling at a light, thereby lessening GW.

Would have thought the highly evolved would have worked that out quickly, but it seems Darwinsm moves at different speeds even within the same species.

Junp a light and catch up with the rest of the race.

Stupid analogy. God 'elp us.

Why? And didn't Darwinism prove there is no God?

Like the way your lights go from amber to green, Means u can go now. Moving forward might help!

I've yet to see a traffic light go Amber then Green in LOS. Maybe they do in your country.

[wantan]

This thread reminded me of a song from the early 80s. Der Plan, "Da vorne steht ne Ampel":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAFPAIkXPYw

Sorry, in german

Have fun anyway

[wantan]

^

Ahead there is a stoplight

come quick - its shining red

all people are waiting

but we, but we, but we

but we are already gone

Ahead there is a stoplight

stop, its shining green

all people are walking, and i

and i can see your eyes

I don't like standing at red

i want to walk not only at green

i once would like to walk at red too

Ahead there is a stoplight

come quick - its shining red

all people are waiting

but we are already gone

Why not walk at red?

why not wait at green?

Ahead there is a stoplight

come quick - its shining red

all people are waiting

not me

Edited January 15, 2013 by wantan

[Soi Sauce]

^

Ahead there is a stoplight

come quick - its shining red

all people are waiting

but we, but we, but we

but we are already gone

Ahead there is a stoplight

stop, its shining green

all people are walking, and i

and i can see your eyes

I don't like standing at red

i want to walk not only at green

i once would like to walk at red too

Ahead there is a stoplight

come quick - its shining red

all people are waiting

but we are already gone

Why not walk at red?

why not wait at green?

Ahead there is a stoplight

come quick - its shining red

all people are waiting

not me

?

I jump, not shoot, a red, and all these guys who have never driven above the speed limit are giving me grief about safety.

Here's some real poetry for those whose gas greed has murdered a lot of their countrymen; For you Arlington, hope you understand the Iraq and Afghan wars were for drivers, Intelligence, my arse

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,

Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,

Till on the haunting flares(2) we turned our backs

And towards our distant rest(3) began to trudge.

Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots

But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;

Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots(4)

Of tired, outstripped(5) Five-Nines(6) that dropped behind.

Gas!(7) Gas! Quick, boys! – An ecstasy of fumbling,

Fitting the clumsy helmets(8) just in time;

But someone still was yelling out and stumbling,

And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime(9) . . .

Dim, through the misty panes(10) and thick green light,

As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,

He plunges at me, guttering,(11) choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams you too could pace

Behind the wagon that we flung him in,

And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,

His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;

If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood

Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,

Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud(12)

Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,

My friend, you would not tell with such high zest(13)

To children ardent(14) for some desperate glory,

The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est

Pro patria mori.(15)

Wilfred Owen

8 October 1917 - March,

RIP those who died for the oil to fuel V8s and 1800cc motorbikes. Probably NRA members too.

Edited January 15, 2013 by Soi Sauce

[transam]

^

Ahead there is a stoplight

come quick - its shining red

all people are waiting

but we, but we, but we

but we are already gone

Ahead there is a stoplight

stop, its shining green

all people are walking, and i

and i can see your eyes

I don't like standing at red

i want to walk not only at green

i once would like to walk at red too

Ahead there is a stoplight

come quick - its shining red

all people are waiting

but we are already gone

Why not walk at red?

why not wait at green?

Ahead there is a stoplight

come quick - its shining red

all people are waiting

not me

?

I jump, not shoot, a red, and all these guys who have never driven above the speed limit are giving me grief about safety.

Here's some real poetry for those whose gas greed has murdered a lot of their countrymen; For you Arlington, hope you understand the Iraq and Afghan wars were for drivers, Intelligence, my arse

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,

Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,

Till on the haunting flares(2) we turned our backs

And towards our distant rest(3) began to trudge.

Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots

But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;

Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots(4)

Of tired, outstripped(5) Five-Nines(6) that dropped behind.

Gas!(7) Gas! Quick, boys! – An ecstasy of fumbling,

Fitting the clumsy helmets(8) just in time;

But someone still was yelling out and stumbling,

And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime(9) . . .

Dim, through the misty panes(10) and thick green light,

As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,

He plunges at me, guttering,(11) choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams you too could pace

Behind the wagon that we flung him in,

And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,

His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;

If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood

Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,

Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud(12)

Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,

My friend, you would not tell with such high zest(13)

To children ardent(14) for some desperate glory,

The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est

Pro patria mori.(15)

Wilfred Owen

8 October 1917 - March,

RIP those who died for the oil to fuel V8s and 1800cc motorbikes. Probably NRA members too.

And ''your'' airplane flights.

[Soi Sauce]

Not got on a plane for over 10 years.

[transam]

Not got on a plane for over 10 years.

But you did, and you still might eh.

[Soi Sauce]

Not got on a plane for over 10 years.

But you did, and you still might eh.

Possibly, but as unlikely as I start putting murdered animals on my dinner plates again.

Saw the errors in my ways.

[transam]

Not got on a plane for over 10 years.

But you did, and you still might eh.

Possibly, but as unlikely as I start putting murdered animals on my dinner plates again.

Saw the errors in my ways.

If we all thought like yourself we would now be living in tents and perhaps fighting folk for a rare vitamin pill.

[wantan]

"Sorry officer, but you are wrong. I wasn't running the red light. I was saving the world."

"OK, then ... thank you. Have a safe ride."

[Soi Sauce]

"Sorry officer, but you are wrong. I wasn't running the red light. I was saving the world."

"OK, then ... thank you. Have a safe ride."

Bang on fellah! Thankyou.

[transam]

"Sorry officer, but you are wrong. I wasn't running the red light. I was saving the world."

"OK, then ... thank you. Have a safe ride."

Bang on fellah! Thankyou.

And sorry if l killed someone jumping a light saving the planet. .

[Soi Sauce]

"Sorry officer, but you are wrong. I wasn't running the red light. I was saving the world."

"OK, then ... thank you. Have a safe ride."

Bang on fellah! Thankyou.

And sorry if l killed someone jumping a light saving the planet. .

Did you?

[YipYipYa123]

Not got on a plane for over 10 years.

But you did, and you still might eh.

Possibly, but as unlikely as I start putting murdered animals on my dinner plates again.

I would be forced to raise a complaint with the chef if there wasn't a murdered animal on my dinner plate

[transam]

"Sorry officer, but you are wrong. I wasn't running the red light. I was saving the world."

"OK, then ... thank you. Have a safe ride."

Bang on fellah! Thankyou.

And sorry if l killed someone jumping a light saving the planet. .

Did you?

No, but you might/will.

[DiNiro]

Running a light in Singapore.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=mEcc8nDXy70&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DmEcc8nDXy70

[karlos]

And there's the desktop version but you'll need an account and a strong stomach to view it.... :S

Edited January 16, 2013 by karlos