Officials To Inspect Business Licenses Of All Foreigner Owned Tourism Businesses In Phuket

[Samuimike1]

If the russian Mafia shoot one, we shoot 10 of them, a Thai told me 15 years ago. Do not mess with Thais.

[davejones]

Time for us "Farlangs" so say goodbye to Thailand and head for greener pastures.

Good luck with finding another country where you can get a decent ride, fresh curry and a beer for under 20 quid.

That would be Vietnam.

Or Malaysia, Or Cambodia and in the not to distant future Myanmar too.

Lots of expats talk about these countries, but for some reason they're still in Thailand. Even with all the problems that exists here, it's still a great place to live. I don't use tour companies, so I don't see that side of life, and neither do most expats. It's a problem that needs to be sorted, but why would an expat leave Thailand because something is going on in an area that they don't live, and in an industry that they don't use. Why do so many talk about leaving Thailand because there are problems in Phuket. Most expats don't live there, and don't use tour companies. So what's the problem for you expats that keep saying there are better countries? And why aren't you already living in those better countries?

[NamKangMan]

Time for us "Farlangs" so say goodbye to Thailand and head for greener pastures.

MALAYSIA !!!! it has a 10 year visa program , can buy property in your name and many other benefits. called Malaysia my second home program

I wish the people who keep saying they are going to leave would actually leave. Don't understand why you are all still here if you hate it so much.

I've said many times, I still like it here, BUT, if Phuket continues in the direction it is headed, I will most likely leave the island one day, as many others have already done.

At this point in time, I just have a laugh at the BS here and try my best to lessen its impact on my lifestyle.

For me, it was an educated decision to not buy a property or a business here, others are more committed to Phuket, but I can leave anytime.

I hold little hope for positive change here now, but will leave when I feel I am no longer enjoying living here.

I'll be honest and say it used to be "If I leave Phuket" but in recent times, I feel its "When I leave Phuket."

The place is simply being mismanaged, and that mismanagement is effecting lifestyle and freedom on the island and also the value for money to lifestyle ratio.

Edited February 1, 2013 by NamKangMan

[NamKangMan]

Why should they need to inspect any licence?; They are all numbered and on file with the relevant Government office that issued them LINKED to the COMPANY papers...so it would be a Government licencing official at fault or the Company directors if there are licences being misused ,

Thailand is so full of morals, that is why the systems here is so corrupt from the top down …how about cleaning out all the corrupt officials, Police , Government etc etc …but that would affect the Thais also??? So it will never happen.

Thailand the most hypocritical on the planet...A Buddhist Country that is the bigest joke of all

Thailand - the hub of hipocrisy. :)

[davejones]

Apparently free enterprise competition=causing trouble, in Thailand.

ASEAN here we come!

It's the same the world over. In the UK, many want to get rid of immigrants that are legally working there. They think they take their jobs and want them gone. They don't believe in free enterprise. Many people just want to protect themselves. They don't agree with free enterprise at all. Even at a local level, they don't agree with a similar company opening in the same street, even if it's run by a UK citizen, as they say they were there first and no-one should be allowed to come ans steal their customers, or their job. This isn't a Thai problem; it happens all over the world. Just look at Greece - they beat foreigners up in the street because they don't want them there - even if they are tourists. Yes, Thailand has problems, but don't forget that many other countries have similar, or worse problems.

[hansnl]

It might be much better if the man looked into the scams of the Thai tuktuks, taxis, jetski's, and connected officials.

Maybe the Russians take away business from the above, but that is solely because of the above mentioned.

It will come well, in the future.

The tourists will get lost.

[davejones]

Time for us "Farlangs" so say goodbye to Thailand and head for greener pastures.

MALAYSIA !!!! it has a 10 year visa program , can buy property in your name and many other benefits. called Malaysia my second home program

I wish the people who keep saying they are going to leave would actually leave. Don't understand why you are all still here if you hate it so much.

I've said many times, I still like it here, BUT, if Phuket continues in the direction it is headed, I will most likely leave the island one day, as many others have already done.

At this point in time, I just have a laugh at the BS here and try my best to lessen its impact on my lifestyle.

For me, it was an edcucated decision to not buy a property or a business here, others are more committed to Phuket, but I can leave anytime.

I hold little hope for positive change here now, but will leave when I feel I am no longer enjoying living here.

I'll be honest and say it used to be "If I leave Phuket" but in recent times, I feel its "When I leave Phuket."

The place is simply being mismanaged, and that mismanagement is effecting lifestyle and freedom on the island and also the value for money to lifestyle ratio.

Not having a go at you here, but why don't you leave now, instead of hanging on watching it get worse. If there are better countries out there. then surely now is the time to leave. If it's inevitable that you will leave, then why are you hang on? Genuine question. Just interested in why people want to stay when they think things are so bad. Personally, I'd be on the next plane out of the country if I felt it was as bad as some make out. Not saying you're wrong about Phuket, because I've never been there. But I live in Bangkok, and I never see any of the problems that others on here seem to have. Been here almost 3 years, and the Thai people I meet on a daily basis couldn't me more friendly.

[sirchai]

"Many were working in the tour industry as tour guides, taxi drivers or masseurs, police said. Their cases have been referred to the Phuket Provincial Court."

​ Australian and British masseurs, tour guides and cab drivers?--

[Thailand1977]

Apparently free enterprise competition=causing trouble, in Thailand.

ASEAN here we come!

It's the same the world over. In the UK, many want to get rid of immigrants that are legally working there. They think they take their jobs and want them gone. They don't believe in free enterprise. Many people just want to protect themselves. They don't agree with free enterprise at all. Even at a local level, they don't agree with a similar company opening in the same street, even if it's run by a UK citizen, as they say they were there first and no-one should be allowed to come ans steal their customers, or their job. This isn't a Thai problem; it happens all over the world. Just look at Greece - they beat foreigners up in the street because they don't want them there - even if they are tourists. Yes, Thailand has problems, but don't forget that many other countries have similar, or worse problems.

You mean the British police and mafia keep taxi prices high for indigenous British people?

Quite clearly British people can't compete with cheap labour from around the world and don't want unlimited immigration as i damages their standard of living.

Your analogy is utterly bizarre, wrong and outright brainless and could come right from the Guardians comments forum.

[Thai at Heart]

Its easy for you folks to talk the other side of medallion from far far away.

These russian companies only sell products / services to Russians. They are not competing with other companies, in fact they are working private for russian people only. You may see dead sea cosmetics sold to Thais and tourists by Russian ladies in Bangkok, but that is different.

They write only in russian to their shops, you have no idea what does it say. Maybe it is a private casino? Who knows? They sell properties, houses (no idea how? maybe leasehold?), condos all written in Russian, no english or Thai.

Think again like this: They came here, they use hospitality of Thailand, but would like to keep money off themselves by participating closed-circuit tourism. This type of tourism business is not acceptable at anywhere in the world.

I'd like to book a taxi from Karon to Kata Noi. I'm not willing to pay more than 1000 baht. What time can you swing by and pick me up?

Careful now, you will get busted too.

[NamKangMan]

Its easy for you folks to talk the other side of medallion from far far away.

These russian companies only sell products / services to Russians. They are not competing with other companies, in fact they are working private for russian people only. You may see dead sea cosmetics sold to Thais and tourists by Russian ladies in Bangkok, but that is different.

They write only in russian to their shops, you have no idea what does it say. Maybe it is a private casino? Who knows? They sell properties, houses (no idea how? maybe leasehold?), condos all written in Russian, no english or Thai.

Think again like this: They came here, they use hospitality of Thailand, but would like to keep money off themselves by participating closed-circuit tourism. This type of tourism business is not acceptable at anywhere in the world.

I don't understand your logic. These tour companies bring 1000s of visitors every month, and it certainly helps the local economy. If they are selling property, as you say, then that is certainly being built by Thai companies. Also, the land was bought from Thai people/companies, so that is money back into the Thai economy. And they are buying food and drinks while they are. Even if they buy at Russian restaurants, all the fruit and vegetables will most likely come from Thai markets. And the people that run the companies live here, so they spend most of their profits here.

What's the alternative? Shut them all down and let the tourists go to another country where they feel more welcome?

Maybe you could let us know what your solution is.

Make the tuk-tuks drive around like baht buses, similar to Pattaya. 10 baht in Pattaya - we could even double it for Phuket. 20 baht a ride - no haggling - no changing the price - no abuse and violence. 20 baht to get in - they drive around in circles and you get off where you like for your 20 baht. They could charge more for the coast road that connects the beaches - maybe 60 baht.

In relation to businesses targeting the Russian market, change the labour laws to allow one foreign member of staff to be working on the premises, or with the tour group at any given time. The Thai's can't speak, read or write Russian. If Thailand wants Russian tourist, they will have to make some small concession and allow a few jobs as tour guides and/or interpreters.

Implementing the above two would greatly increase freedom of movement around the island and probably make more money for the drivers as the baht buses would be used by every tourist, several times a day. Also, the Russians would experience a more enjoyable holiday and hopefully return.

Sounds all like too much to ask for, yet, just 1000 kms away, in a place called Pattaya, the above is happening there without any problems, and has done so for several years now.

What good is happening on Phuket? What progress is Phuket making? Zero. Phuket is just losing more and more market share.

[NamKangMan]

Why should they need to inspect any licence?; They are all numbered and on file with the relevant Government office that issued them LINKED to the COMPANY papers...so it would be a Government licencing official at fault or the Company directors if there are licences being misused ,

That's not true. A company could just set up shop without a licence. They only way to find out is to check. A government official doesn't have time to travel around every street, every day, and check every building just to see if a shop opened illegally. Don't see why you say it's the fault of a government official. Try thinking through what you said logically. You'll see (hopefully) that it doesn't make sense.

The local BiB know when a new shop opens in their "patch" and they are straight onto it. They make phone calls so the shop receives a visit from certain officials.

[atyclb]

Huh? Exactly why do I need leave TH?

Pease provide us with a list of your top five spots you are suggesting. Please bear in mind:

1. How delightful are the local people?

2. How reasonable is the place to live?

3. How food is the local cuisine?

4. What about the local women? Are they attractive? Open to relationships with foreigners?

It is fine to say you want to leave, but where to?

"As for your last reason (women). All than well if you are a sex tourist or prefer the seedier side of Thailand but any decent Thai women wouldn't want want a bar of a farang guy."

"That is such an insulting statement that i am thoroughly surprised that any mod would allow it to be posted. It is really inflammatory especially to many TV members here who are happily married to Thai ladies. My own lady has two uni degrees,has her own business, comes from a respectable middle class family in the south and they treat me with respect. Not all thai wives have had this privilege in their lives, but there many of them who are good hard working loving family wives. You really need to apoligise to these ladies. I am frankly 'pissed off' with your ignorant statement, and am sure that there will be many others in TV who would feel the same as i do."

The allegedly insulting stuff is not even applicable to you and your situation so why get so bent out of shape over it? The fact is a high % of expats do indeed participate in the seedy stuff and so what if they are involved with women of the sex industry? They worked hard all their lives and choose to enjoy whatever. It is not exactly abnormal when a male with pulse, blood pressure and testosterone finds solace at girly venues.

Point in fact; the owner of a famous upscale rachada road massage/happy ending establishment first letter begins with "P" was that of a hi so well educated family that had a high level government position.

The poster in no way targeted you or your wife/family.

IMO what I'd say is more damaging is how Thai's equate skin color so highly with social class and assume if a westerner is with a non light skin girl she is a sex worker, or if with a white skin girl, assume the westerner must be paying a lot for her.

Edited February 1, 2013 by atyclb

[NamKangMan]

@ davejones

Many say they will leave Phuket - not Thailand. A lot of problems on Phuket do not exist in other provinces of Thailand.

Many of the Phuket Germans and Scandi's have already moved to Hua Hin.

It's the way Phuket is being "managed" - not Thailand, that is causing some problems at the local level.

Edited February 1, 2013 by NamKangMan

[KhunMichael]

One thing they don't grasp is that farang owned business, do not send the money out of Thailand, and usually bring money in, even if some of it is generated here. Regardless it is almost 100 % SPENT in Thailand.

The whinging comes from those who can't deliver,

but demand 'their share' for the shoddy product

they do try and foist on the unsuspecting.

If they had what people wanted, at a competitive price,

they would get the business without underhanded tactics.

The problem is how tightly or relaxed any definition of work is in Thailand. Basically, anything can be turned around and be claimed to not be related to work. Technically, doing anything outside your precise work address can break your work permit regulations. And as for volunteer work being classed as illegal, this in and of itself absolutely shoots the country in its own foot when there are probably many hundreds of qualified retired teachers who could teach junior school English, and would be happy to do so, but are not attracted to do so.

Does me, travelling by taxi taking some friends on a site seeing tour of Bangkok constitute being a tour guide. Technically, it probably does.

Are they going to pay you? If not, technically you are a volunteer.

And even a volunteer need a permit...... read the rules.

[NamKangMan]

@ davejones

You've NEVER been to Phuket???????? How would you know what effect the lack of transport and the Thai mafia have here on people if you have never been here.

Tourists, expats and locals would give their right arm for metered taxis like you have in Bangkok. It would fix many of the island's problems, overnight. The fact Phuket doesn't have them means Phuket may as well be in another country.

Maybe you should stick to posting on the Bangkok forum.

Phuket has a lot of "issues" at the local level that is effecting everyone who lives here, some more than others, but still a negative effect.

Come to Phuket for a week and then post of your experience here getting around the island.

The reason I haven't left already is I still like it here.

Edited February 1, 2013 by NamKangMan

[dunque]

Time for us "Farlangs" so say goodbye to Thailand and head for greener pastures.

MALAYSIA !!!! it has a 10 year visa program , can buy property in your name and many other benefits. called Malaysia my second home program

Good luck when the Caliphate comes calling

[Beetlejuice]

UPDATE

Crackdown begins on illegal foreigners in Phuket

Tanyaluk Sakoot

Maj Gen Choti Chavalviwat, Commander of Phuket Provincial Police.

PHUKET: -- Twelve foreigners, including people from Australia, Finland, Indonesia, Myammar, and the UK, were arrested yesterday (January 31) for working illegally in the island’s tourism industry, police said.

Their arrests came as Maj Gen Choti Chavalviwat, Commander of Phuket Provincial Police, announced an investigation into tour agencies, massage parlous and restaurants, as well as other businesses which are foreign owned or employ many foreign staff. This was prompted by a protest on Monday in Bang Tao by Thai businesspeople, who said illegal foreign businesses were undercutting the market.

The Department of Labour, in conjunction with Phuket Immigration and the Phuket Police, started checking companies yesterday (January 31) based on random checks or tip-offs from the public.

The main focus will be on businesses that are foreign owned or operated, but Thai businesses that employ large numbers of foreigners will also be checked.

Beginning the crackdown, 12 foreigners were arrested yesterday for either not having a work permit, or doing a different job to what their work permit states.

Many were working in the tour industry as tour guides, taxi drivers or masseurs, police said. Their cases have been referred to the Phuket Provincial Court.

“I understand that foreigners want to work in Phuket, but they have to work correctly,” Maj Gen Choti told The Phuket News.

Mr Choti said the officials were also checking Thai shareholders in foreign-run companies. Thai people listed as shareholders might need to show they genuinely had enough money to have been able to have invested in the company.

“The Bang Tao mob were very angry, and it is their right to be angry,” Maj Gen Choti said.

“Russians coming to travel is fine, but if they take Thai people’s careers and livelihoods by working illegally, that is not fair to the Thai people.

“Foreigners who live and work here have to show us their work permit if we do a check. If they have the correct permit, it is not a problem.”

Source: http://www.thephuket...huket-36754.php

-- The Phuket News 2013-02-01

At last these talks about clampdowns are not just a load of hot air, and now the authorities are actually putting actions and enforcements into their warnings.

The word on the street is, that this will go nationwide within the next two years. It is well known that even the so-called legal farang businesses are not legal, a lot of shady deals in order for them to gain a foothold here, these guys know the score and are not protesting for the sake of.

Anyone who abides and lives in Thailand strictly in accordance by the laws, have no concerns and can enjoy and live in peace in Thailand. All very simple, if you cannot support yourself in Thailand without contravening the laws, than you should not and have no rights to be here.

As a retiree I believe I’m getting a wonderful deal in Thailand compared to other retirement destinations. All my income comes from abroad and all my income is spent here in Thailand. So I gain living in a beautiful warm climate, living far cheaper and have a better standard of life than I would in the States, Europe or the UK and the Thais benefit from my legally obtained foreign incomes I spend here, I try my best to give back as much as I take, it`s the perfect balance, as I am not treading on any Thais turf. My 3 children are all doing well and prospering here, one son a policeman in Chiang Mai. Each received a first class education at the International schools and Universities, something that I could never had afforded for them back in the West. There are many other farangs with families living in similar situations as myself here in Thailand, who have no worries, no concerns and are liked and tolerated here, many like me, who have become a part of the Thai communities in which they live, even if we will also be considered as the novelty farang, which is no big deal.

For those who are not able to hack it here and than blame the country for all they’re problems, can seek alternative destinations to plonk themselves down, it`s that simple, as we all have choices. The people that are abusing the system are not doing themselves or the long-term farang residents here any favours, it just places all of us under greater scrutiny by the authorities and a risk of the tightening up of Immigration regulations.

As far as I am concerned, I thank my lucky stars for the type of lifestyle my family and I are now living, far removed from the shitty housing estates back in the UK and I’m grateful for it, therefore, will support and defend Thailand up to the hilt, which has made my life complete.

For the Thai bashers on here, who appear to be suffering from some kind of persecution complexes, curse and criticise as a means of trying to cover up their own incompetence’s, can go and tell it on a mountain, because no one is interested in your hard luck stories and they’re out to get me complaints.

Edited February 1, 2013 by Beetlejuice

[RogueLeader]

Apparently free enterprise competition=causing trouble, in Thailand.

ASEAN here we come!

It's the same the world over. In the UK, many want to get rid of immigrants that are legally working there. They think they take their jobs and want them gone. They don't believe in free enterprise. Many people just want to protect themselves. They don't agree with free enterprise at all. Even at a local level, they don't agree with a similar company opening in the same street, even if it's run by a UK citizen, as they say they were there first and no-one should be allowed to come ans steal their customers, or their job. This isn't a Thai problem; it happens all over the world. Just look at Greece - they beat foreigners up in the street because they don't want them there - even if they are tourists. Yes, Thailand has problems, but don't forget that many other countries have similar, or worse problems.

You mean the British police and mafia keep taxi prices high for indigenous British people?

Quite clearly British people can't compete with cheap labour from around the world and don't want unlimited immigration as i damages their standard of living.

Your analogy is utterly bizarre, wrong and outright brainless and could come right from the Guardians comments forum.

Yeah, of course. British people being protectionist and racist is different from Thais doing the same thing.

I knew this thread would be a laugh a minute.

[indyuk]

Time for us "Farlangs" so say goodbye to Thailand and head for greener pastures.

and that is where?

Maluku Selatan!

Expand please!

[PascalDufoor]

Its easy for you folks to talk the other side of medallion from far far away.

These russian companies only sell products / services to Russians. They are not competing with other companies, in fact they are working private for russian people only. You may see dead sea cosmetics sold to Thais and tourists by Russian ladies in Bangkok, but that is different.

They write only in russian to their shops, you have no idea what does it say. Maybe it is a private casino? Who knows? They sell properties, houses (no idea how? maybe leasehold?), condos all written in Russian, no english or Thai.

Think again like this: They came here, they use hospitality of Thailand, but would like to keep money off themselves by participating closed-circuit tourism. This type of tourism business is not acceptable at anywhere in the world.

I'd like to book a taxi from Karon to Kata Noi. I'm not willing to pay more than 1000 baht. What time can you swing by and pick me up?

Careful now, you will get busted too.

If it must be such hard living over here, then i would not waste time in writing on a forum, but instead spend my time in packing my bags

[RogueLeader]

Time for us "Farlangs" so say goodbye to Thailand and head for greener pastures.

and that is where?

Maluku Selatan!

Expand please!

Indonesia. War-torn, scientifically technologically backwards,ruled by an inbred cabal of generals and strewn with internecine and local rivalries and feuds, that large and long-suffering nation is about to have a huge influx of white, malcontent sex tourists added to its problems.

[indyuk]

Its easy for you folks to talk the other side of medallion from far far away.

These russian companies only sell products / services to Russians. They are not competing with other companies, in fact they are working private for russian people only. You may see dead sea cosmetics sold to Thais and tourists by Russian ladies in Bangkok, but that is different.

They write only in russian to their shops, you have no idea what does it say. Maybe it is a private casino? Who knows? They sell properties, houses (no idea how? maybe leasehold?), condos all written in Russian, no english or Thai.

Think again like this: They came here, they use hospitality of Thailand, but would like to keep money off themselves by participating closed-circuit tourism. This type of tourism business is not acceptable at anywhere in the world.

Not quite correct many European Nationals operate 'closed circuit tourism' e.g. Germans in Majorca and Ibiza, British, Norwegians and Swedes in Spain, also the Chinese in just about anywhere in Thailand, Malaysian Sex Tours in Southern Thailand, and many more.

[Thailand1977]

Yeah, of course. British people being protectionist and racist is different from Thais doing the same thing.

I knew this thread would be a laugh a minute.

But the British aren't being protected, his analogy is utterly ridiculous.

Try going to Blackpool, Brighton, Bournemouth and you will see the local police and mafia are not colluding to keep taxi prices artificially higher for British taxi drivers.

COMPRENDE?

[Suffinator]

I've just read an 'Interpretation' piece that someone submitted to Meebal - it's hilarious but more closer to the truth. Seriously in 20 years of being here I've never figure out why any foreigner would be stupid enough to open a business that they can't own or buy property that they can't own. More money than sense obviously. If you really want a peaceful life then avoid Thailand altogether or just live and rent.

The fact is, the Thai mentality towards the foreigner and anyone who tries to muscle in on their action is going to hit a brick wall.

[atyclb]

UPDATE

Crackdown begins on illegal foreigners in Phuket

Tanyaluk Sakoot

Maj Gen Choti Chavalviwat, Commander of Phuket Provincial Police.

PHUKET: -- Twelve foreigners, including people from Australia, Finland, Indonesia, Myammar, and the UK, were arrested yesterday (January 31) for working illegally in the island’s tourism industry, police said.

Their arrests came as Maj Gen Choti Chavalviwat, Commander of Phuket Provincial Police, announced an investigation into tour agencies, massage parlous and restaurants, as well as other businesses which are foreign owned or employ many foreign staff. This was prompted by a protest on Monday in Bang Tao by Thai businesspeople, who said illegal foreign businesses were undercutting the market.

The Department of Labour, in conjunction with Phuket Immigration and the Phuket Police, started checking companies yesterday (January 31) based on random checks or tip-offs from the public.

The main focus will be on businesses that are foreign owned or operated, but Thai businesses that employ large numbers of foreigners will also be checked.

Beginning the crackdown, 12 foreigners were arrested yesterday for either not having a work permit, or doing a different job to what their work permit states.

Many were working in the tour industry as tour guides, taxi drivers or masseurs, police said. Their cases have been referred to the Phuket Provincial Court.

“I understand that foreigners want to work in Phuket, but they have to work correctly,” Maj Gen Choti told The Phuket News.

Mr Choti said the officials were also checking Thai shareholders in foreign-run companies. Thai people listed as shareholders might need to show they genuinely had enough money to have been able to have invested in the company.

“The Bang Tao mob were very angry, and it is their right to be angry,” Maj Gen Choti said.

“Russians coming to travel is fine, but if they take Thai people’s careers and livelihoods by working illegally, that is not fair to the Thai people.

“Foreigners who live and work here have to show us their work permit if we do a check. If they have the correct permit, it is not a problem.”

Source: http://www.thephuket...huket-36754.php

-- The Phuket News 2013-02-01

At last these talks about clampdowns are not just a load of hot air, and now the authorities are actually putting actions and enforcements into their warnings.

The word on the street is, that this will go nationwide within the next two years. It is well known that even the so-called legal farang businesses are not legal, a lot of shady deals in order for them to gain a foothold here, these guys know the score and are not protesting for the sake of.

Anyone who abides and lives in Thailand strictly in accordance by the laws, have no concerns and can enjoy and live in peace in Thailand. All very simple, if you cannot support yourself in Thailand without contravening the laws, than you should not and have no rights to be here.

As a retiree I believe I’m getting a wonderful deal in Thailand compared to other retirement destinations. All my income comes from abroad and all my income is spent here in Thailand. So I gain living in a beautiful warm climate, living far cheaper and have a better standard of life than I would in the States, Europe or the UK and the Thais benefit from my legally obtained foreign incomes I spend here, I try my best to give back as much as I take, it`s the perfect balance, as I am not treading on any Thais turf. My 3 children are all doing well and prospering here, one son a policeman in Chiang Mai. Each received a first class education at the International schools and Universities, something that I could never had afforded for them back in the West. There are many other farangs with families living in similar situations as myself here in Thailand, who have no worries, no concerns and are liked and tolerated here, many like me, who have become a part of the Thai communities in which they live, even if we will also be considered as the novelty farang, which is no big deal.

For those who are not able to hack it here and than blame the country for all they’re problems, can seek alternative destinations to plonk themselves down, it`s that simple, as we all have choices. The people that are abusing the system are not doing themselves or the long-term farang residents here any favours, it just places all of us under greater scrutiny by the authorities and a risk of the tightening up of Immigration regulations.

As far as I am concerned, I thank my lucky stars for the type of lifestyle my family and I are now living, far removed from the shitty housing estates back in the UK and I’m grateful for it, therefore, will support and defend Thailand up to the hilt, which has made my life complete.

For the Thai bashers on here, who appear to be suffering from some kind of persecution complexes, curse and criticise as a means of trying to cover up their own incompetence’s, can go and tell it on a mountain, because no one is interested in your hard luck stories and they’re out to get me complaints.

Interesting, proclaiming Thai law and righteousness for those who abide by it. Thai laws albeit they may be written somewhere and Thai culture/society/mores and norms are 2 distinct entities.The roles of influence, bribery, dysfunction and incompetence net effect is a world apart from whatever may be on paper. Who do think profits from dummy / nominee corporations? Thais as well as non-Thai's. Very like also police and politicians.

It comes as zero surprise some foreigners simply "go with the flow" although the flow normally entails cheating and corruption.

It is surprising that your son (half thai) having had the benefit of international education and influence of a western father would become a policeman, since that is a system of payoffs to advance and even often to enter.

I have found international schools to be as expensive or more expensive than schools in G7 countries, at least in BKK. Having had brief teaching experience at in international school in a small city I'd say the "international" was more of window dressing than educational quality.

[DiamondKing]

Time for us "Farlangs" so say goodbye to Thailand and head for greener pastures.

MALAYSIA !!!! it has a 10 year visa program , can buy property in your name and many other benefits. called Malaysia my second home program

Yeah but its full if Muslims and I for one ain't investing a dime anywhere near those lot

[fxe1200]

and that is where?

Maluku Selatan!

Expand please!

Indonesia. War-torn, scientifically technologically backwards,ruled by an inbred cabal of generals and strewn with internecine and local rivalries and feuds, that large and long-suffering nation is about to have a huge influx of white, malcontent sex tourists added to its problems.

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[hawker9000]

Oh yes! The problem is those foreign-owned businesses. No problem with the taxi mafia though. LOL. Not sure why farangs bother much with Phuket anymore anyway. If you're one who owns a house or a business there you're going to want to defend it with your dying beath ("no worse than anyplace else..."), but for the rest of us, it's been a pass for some years now.

[Beetlejuice]

UPDATE

Crackdown begins on illegal foreigners in Phuket

Tanyaluk Sakoot

Maj Gen Choti Chavalviwat, Commander of Phuket Provincial Police.

PHUKET: -- Twelve foreigners, including people from Australia, Finland, Indonesia, Myammar, and the UK, were arrested yesterday (January 31) for working illegally in the island’s tourism industry, police said.

Their arrests came as Maj Gen Choti Chavalviwat, Commander of Phuket Provincial Police, announced an investigation into tour agencies, massage parlous and restaurants, as well as other businesses which are foreign owned or employ many foreign staff. This was prompted by a protest on Monday in Bang Tao by Thai businesspeople, who said illegal foreign businesses were undercutting the market.

The Department of Labour, in conjunction with Phuket Immigration and the Phuket Police, started checking companies yesterday (January 31) based on random checks or tip-offs from the public.

The main focus will be on businesses that are foreign owned or operated, but Thai businesses that employ large numbers of foreigners will also be checked.

Beginning the crackdown, 12 foreigners were arrested yesterday for either not having a work permit, or doing a different job to what their work permit states.

Many were working in the tour industry as tour guides, taxi drivers or masseurs, police said. Their cases have been referred to the Phuket Provincial Court.

“I understand that foreigners want to work in Phuket, but they have to work correctly,” Maj Gen Choti told The Phuket News.

Mr Choti said the officials were also checking Thai shareholders in foreign-run companies. Thai people listed as shareholders might need to show they genuinely had enough money to have been able to have invested in the company.

“The Bang Tao mob were very angry, and it is their right to be angry,” Maj Gen Choti said.

“Russians coming to travel is fine, but if they take Thai people’s careers and livelihoods by working illegally, that is not fair to the Thai people.

“Foreigners who live and work here have to show us their work permit if we do a check. If they have the correct permit, it is not a problem.”

Source: http://www.thephuket...huket-36754.php

-- The Phuket News 2013-02-01

At last these talks about clampdowns are not just a load of hot air, and now the authorities are actually putting actions and enforcements into their warnings.

The word on the street is, that this will go nationwide within the next two years. It is well known that even the so-called legal farang businesses are not legal, a lot of shady deals in order for them to gain a foothold here, these guys know the score and are not protesting for the sake of.

Anyone who abides and lives in Thailand strictly in accordance by the laws, have no concerns and can enjoy and live in peace in Thailand. All very simple, if you cannot support yourself in Thailand without contravening the laws, than you should not and have no rights to be here.

As a retiree I believe I’m getting a wonderful deal in Thailand compared to other retirement destinations. All my income comes from abroad and all my income is spent here in Thailand. So I gain living in a beautiful warm climate, living far cheaper and have a better standard of life than I would in the States, Europe or the UK and the Thais benefit from my legally obtained foreign incomes I spend here, I try my best to give back as much as I take, it`s the perfect balance, as I am not treading on any Thais turf. My 3 children are all doing well and prospering here, one son a policeman in Chiang Mai. Each received a first class education at the International schools and Universities, something that I could never had afforded for them back in the West. There are many other farangs with families living in similar situations as myself here in Thailand, who have no worries, no concerns and are liked and tolerated here, many like me, who have become a part of the Thai communities in which they live, even if we will also be considered as the novelty farang, which is no big deal.

For those who are not able to hack it here and than blame the country for all they’re problems, can seek alternative destinations to plonk themselves down, it`s that simple, as we all have choices. The people that are abusing the system are not doing themselves or the long-term farang residents here any favours, it just places all of us under greater scrutiny by the authorities and a risk of the tightening up of Immigration regulations.

As far as I am concerned, I thank my lucky stars for the type of lifestyle my family and I are now living, far removed from the shitty housing estates back in the UK and I’m grateful for it, therefore, will support and defend Thailand up to the hilt, which has made my life complete.

For the Thai bashers on here, who appear to be suffering from some kind of persecution complexes, curse and criticise as a means of trying to cover up their own incompetence’s, can go and tell it on a mountain, because no one is interested in your hard luck stories and they’re out to get me complaints.

Interesting, proclaiming Thai law and righteousness for those who abide by it. Thai laws albeit they may be written somewhere and Thai culture/society/mores and norms are 2 distinct entities.The roles of influence, bribery, dysfunction and incompetence net effect is a world apart from whatever may be on paper. Who do think profits from dummy / nominee corporations? Thais as well as non-Thai's. Very like also police and politicians.

It comes as zero surprise some foreigners simply "go with the flow" although the flow normally entails cheating and corruption.

It is surprising that your son (half thai) having had the benefit of international education and influence of a western father would become a policeman, since that is a system of payoffs to advance and even often to enter.

I have found international schools to be as expensive or more expensive than schools in G7 countries, at least in BKK. Having had brief teaching experience at in international school in a small city I'd say the "international" was more of window dressing than educational quality.

I am certainly not proclaiming righteousness and I strongly disagree that going with the flow in Thailand means participating in cheating and corruption.

Thai law is the law, whether one agrees with it or not, the same as in every country, and for those who disagree with the attitudes and policies imposed on foreigners, than take all this into consideration before moving here, what’s the point of complaining afterwards?

Going along with the flow means conforming and falling into the rules imposed by the Immigration department and the laws of Thailand. Why would an ex-pat feel the need to cheat and work by corruption in order to live here? That’s total baloney.

This may come as a big surprise to you, but not all police and Thai Government departments operate by institutionalised corruption policies, trust me on that one, although I do agree that there are still too many bad apples left in the basket and the minority of those corrupt officials do give the whole outfit a bad reputation, the same as the foreigners that are abusing the system here.

If my and those in a similar situation to myself lifestyles goes arse over tit because of dramatic changes in the Immigration policies, than I would lay the blame squarely on the shoulders of those who are abusing the system and bending the laws and not the authorities that would implement and enforce the rules and regulations.

My philosophy is and always has been, that no one owes me or anyone else a living, plus I prefer to be a non-descript person here in Thailand, where my actions and what I do in my day to day life have no effect or place at risk the lifestyles of other ex-pats living here, keeping in mind that we are foreigners here, without the same levels of statutory rights as a Thai national. You either except these terms or move on.

Edited February 1, 2013 by Beetlejuice