Ombudsman Hands Foreign Ministry Ultimatum Over Thaksin's Passport

[Buchholz]

Ombudsman Sriracha Charoenpanich signed letter dated Feb 12, to the prime minister, seeking her reply within 30 days.

which comes 155 days after Ombudsman Sriracha signed a letter dated Sept 10, to the foreign minister, seeking his reply within 30 days.

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[OzMick]

Ombudsman Sriracha Charoenpanich signed letter dated Feb 12, to the prime minister, seeking her reply within 30 days.

which comes 155 days after Ombudsman Sriracha signed a letter dated Sept 10, to the foreign minister, seeking his reply within 30 days.

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To be fair, Surapong has been up to his ears in work - with his face firmly wedged in Thaksin's butt.

[Buchholz]

"Ms Yingluck said she would not clarify the issue to the Ombudsman Office herself as the Foreign Ministry was authorised to do that."

As the MoFA didn't reply to previous request and the PM doesn't want to, what's the next step?

You take them to the building with this logo on the outside:

The National Assembly/Parliament of Thailand

http://en.wikipedia....mbly_(Thailand)

And then, if that still fails to get them to comply with the law, you take them to the building with this logo on the outside

The Emblem of the Administrative Court and the Office of the Administrative Courts

His Majesty King Bhumibol Adulyadej has graciously bestowed upon the Administrative Court and the Office of the Administrative Courts the sceptre to be partly the emblem of the Administrative Court and the Office of the Administrative Courts. The sceptre is placed in the middle of the balance, on the gilded bowl. Below, there is a bunch of cassia nodosa placed near the circumference of the oval.

Administrative Court website

http://www.admincour...ourt/emblem.htm

The "next steps" were forewarned four months of non-response ago:

the government's defiant behaviour will be taken to Parliament, Chalermsak said.

the ombudsman will then seek a judicial review from the Administrative Court, he said.

-- The Nation 2012-10-11

http://www.thaivisa....issue-to-court/

Edited February 15, 2013 by Buchholz

[rubl]

Ms Yingluck said she would not clarify the issue to the Ombudsman Office herself as the Foreign Ministry was authorised to do that.

Foreign Ministry will clarify about Thaksin passport

http://www.mcot.net/...de#.UR3R6pi5Yg8

FM to clarify AGAIN? Wasn't the first explanation enough, something like "well, he applied, so we showed our expertise in handling requests even with offices flooded"

[Buchholz]

Ms Yingluck said she would not clarify the issue to the Ombudsman Office herself as the Foreign Ministry was authorised to do that.

Foreign Ministry will clarify about Thaksin passport

http://www.mcot.net/...de#.UR3R6pi5Yg8

FM to clarify AGAIN? Wasn't the first explanation enough, something like "well, he applied, so we showed our expertise in handling requests even with offices flooded"

Someone should clarify the penalties of violating Section 157 of the Penal Code to the Cousin Foreign Minister (they can skip the monetary fine portion as he's a multimillionaire)

Section 157

Whoever, being an official, wrongfully exercises or does not exercise any of his functions to the injury of any person, or dishonestly exercises or omits to exercise any of his functions, shall be punished with imprisonment of one to ten years or fined of two thousand to twenty thousand Baht, or both.

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[muttley]

You take them to the building with this logo on the outside:

The National Assembly/Parliament of Thailand

http://en.wikipedia....mbly_(Thailand)

And then, if that still fails to get them to comply with the law, you take them to the building with this logo on the outside

The Emblem of the Administrative Court and the Office of the Administrative Courts

His Majesty King Bhumibol Adulyadej has graciously bestowed upon the Administrative Court and the Office of the Administrative Courts the sceptre to be partly the emblem of the Administrative Court and the Office of the Administrative Courts. The sceptre is placed in the middle of the balance, on the gilded bowl. Below, there is a bunch of cassia nodosa placed near the circumference of the oval.

Administrative Court website

http://www.admincour...ourt/emblem.htm

The "next steps" were forewarned four months of non-response ago:

the government's defiant behaviour will be taken to Parliament, Chalermsak said.

the ombudsman will then seek a judicial review from the Administrative Court, he said.

-- The Nation 2012-10-11

http://www.thaivisa....issue-to-court/

Ah, the illustrated "Democrat Party and how to get yourself in Power step by step" guide.

Edited February 15, 2013 by muttley

[Buchholz]

The continued story of a passport issued late October 2011 from flooded offices when the country was pre-occupied with a flooding well done. Followed by denials begin of December 2011 and finally admission that same month.

Transparently of course. Only thing missing is a statement from the PM "no one told me"

Indeed, the lying by the foreign ministry began with the timeline of when the passport was issued...and continues to the present with saying they've already responded to the ombudsman directive to revoke the illegal passport.

Pathological liars.

Pathalogical Lying by the Foreign Ministry? Kasit comes to mind - I believe it was started under the abhisit year/s

The topic is in regards to Thaksin's passport and the illegal issue of a new one and the current administration's inaction to act on it.

Have a read of the OP again.

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[muttley]

Ms Yingluck said she would not clarify the issue to the Ombudsman Office herself as the Foreign Ministry was authorised to do that.

Foreign Ministry will clarify about Thaksin passport

http://www.mcot.net/...de#.UR3R6pi5Yg8

FM to clarify AGAIN? Wasn't the first explanation enough, something like "well, he applied, so we showed our expertise in handling requests even with offices flooded"

Someone should clarify the penalties of violating Section 157 of the Penal Code to the Cousin Foreign Minister (they can skip the monetary fine portion as he's a multimillionaire)

Section 157

Whoever, being an official, wrongfully exercises or does not exercise any of his functions to the injury of any person, or dishonestly exercises or omits to exercise any of his functions, shall be punished with imprisonment of one to ten years or fined of two thousand to twenty thousand Baht, or both.

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Was Kasit fined in respect to Section 157 with his non pursuit of Thaksin? Seems strange they're after him now when they're no longer in a position to do so.......

[Buchholz]

Ah, the illustrated "Democrat Party and how to get yourself in Power step by step" guide.

Again, read the OP, the subsequent articles, and finish with a look see at the thread title in capitalized bold if you're still unsure of what the topic is.

[FarangTalk]

By the by, does anyone know what happened to Thaksin One, his state owned 2bn baht 'Presidential style' jet?

It was given to the Royal family to add to their collection of aircraft.

[OzMick]

Was Kasit fined in respect to Section 157 with his non pursuit of Thaksin? Seems strange they're after him now when they're no longer in a position to do so.......

Red alert! Embarrassing thread, change the subject!

[rubl]

blanked on purpose, was responding to wrong post

Edited February 15, 2013 by rubl

[Buchholz]

Was Kasit fined in respect to Section 157

Still missing the boat.

Kasit isn't in the OP, the articles and threads referenced after the OP, the thread title or anywhere else in the thread... until your first off-topic post was made.

There's threads where he and his actions are the OP and thread title... seek them out and post on-topic there.

[muttley]

The topic is in regards to Thaksin's passport and the illegal issue of a new one and the current administration's inaction to act on it.

Have a read of the OP again.

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And I reserve the right to compare and contrast with the former administrations lack of action with regard to the very same man,Thaksin. If its good for the goose its good for the gander.

I point out the hypocrisy of a political party blaming another one of political inaction when it is guilty of exactly the same thing and because you don't like to hear that you try and censor me?

I think you know where you can put that line of thinking, especially with your background of "links".

[muttley]

Was Kasit fined in respect to Section 157

Still missing the boat.

Kasit isn't in the OP, the articles and threads referenced after the OP, the thread title or anywhere else in the thread... until your first off-topic post was made.

There's threads where he and his actions are the OP and thread title... seek them out and post on-topic there.

You standing in for mods again or just trying to draw attention, again?

[Buchholz]

Was Kasit fined in respect to Section 157

Red alert! Embarrassing thread, change the subject!

He generates a blitzkrieg of subject changing posts.

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[Buchholz]

The topic is in regards to Thaksin's passport and the illegal issue of a new one and the current administration's inaction to act on it.

Have a read of the OP again.

I point out the hypocrisy of a political party blaming another one of political inaction

It's not a political party that is going after the inaction.

It's the apolitical Ombudsman Office.... which has been un-hypocritical, consistent (and overly patient, IMO)

Have a read of the thread again.

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[rubl]

Was Kasit fined in respect to Section 157 with his non pursuit of Thaksin? Seems strange they're after him now when they're no longer in a position to do so.......

Still missing the boat.

Kasit isn't in the OP, the articles and threads referenced after the OP, the thread title or anywhere else in the thread... until your first off-topic post was made.

There's threads where he and his actions are the OP and thread title... seek them out and post on-topic there.

To come to dear mutt's defence, I'm sure that most of the time of the current MoFA is spent in getting all those documents translated which are needed to get Interpol to issue a global 'apprehend on sight' warning. Because of all that work the issuing of a passport from flooded offices completely slipped past, overwhelmed by a paperflood as the MoFA was. If only k. Kasit had mobilized his department more

[muttley]

He generates a blitzkrieg of subject changing posts.

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Whereas this quality post is on topic and adds to the debate?

which comes 155 days after Ombudsman Sriracha signed a letter dated Sept 10, to the foreign minister, seeking his reply within 30 days.

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To be fair, Surapong has been up to his ears in work - with his face firmly wedged in Thaksin's butt.

[Buchholz]

He generates a blitzkrieg of subject changing posts.

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Whereas this quality post is on topic and adds to the debate?

If you have an issue with a particular post, there's 3 appropriate actions.

1. Ignore it

2. Reply directly to it and lay forth your issue with it

3. Report it

There is no fourth appropriate action of:

Hold it up as justification to conduct a blitzkrieg of subject changing posts yourself.

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Edited February 15, 2013 by Buchholz

[khunken]

The Ombudsmen of Thailand or Ombudsmen for the National Assembly (Thai: ผู้ตรวจการแผ่นดินของรัฐสภา; RTGS: Phu Truat Kan Phaen Din Khong Ratthasapha) was first created in the 1997 Constitution of Thailand or the 'People's' Constitution. The name was shortened to the Ombudsmen (Thai: ผู้ตรวจการแผ่นดิน; RTGS: Phu Truat Kan Phaen Din) only by the 2007 Constitution of Thailand. The idea for such an office first appeared in the 1974 Constitution; however it was not until 1997 that the concept was entrenched. Currently there are three ombudsmen, all appointed by the King of Thailand upon the advice of the Senate of Thailand. The Ombudsmen investigate complaints by the general public against public officials and agencies. They have the power to prosecute but not to enforce judgments.

The above is from Wikipedia.

According to that, the Ombudsman(men) has the power to prosecute so I wonder why they just don't go ahead or do they have prosecutors on board? It's pretty obvious that they're not going to get any action from the sister or the FM (all in the family), so why the procrastination?

[rubl]

The Ombudsmen of Thailand or Ombudsmen for the National Assembly (Thai: ผู้ตรวจการแผ่นดินของรัฐสภา; RTGS: Phu Truat Kan Phaen Din Khong Ratthasapha) was first created in the 1997 Constitution of Thailand or the 'People's' Constitution. The name was shortened to the Ombudsmen (Thai: ผู้ตรวจการแผ่นดิน; RTGS: Phu Truat Kan Phaen Din) only by the 2007 Constitution of Thailand. The idea for such an office first appeared in the 1974 Constitution; however it was not until 1997 that the concept was entrenched. Currently there are three ombudsmen, all appointed by the King of Thailand upon the advice of the Senate of Thailand. The Ombudsmen investigate complaints by the general public against public officials and agencies. They have the power to prosecute but not to enforce judgments.

The above is from Wikipedia.

According to that, the Ombudsman(men) has the power to prosecute so I wonder why they just don't go ahead or do they have prosecutors on board? It's pretty obvious that they're not going to get any action from the sister or the FM (all in the family), so why the procrastination?

Personally I appreciate the calm approach, no need to escalate. Mind you a bit more pro-active pursue of paperwork and replies seems in order. No reply within indicated period should immediately follow by whatever the next step is.

Edited February 15, 2013 by rubl

[MAJIC]

It's all pretty straight forward! PTP Broke the Law to get Thaksins Passport back,so no surprise if they continue to break the law,so that he can keep it.

One law for the Rich,and one for the Poor...business as usual!

[MAJIC]

Ombudsman asks PM to review Thaksin passport decision

By English News

BANGKOK, Feb 15 – Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra has been urged by the Ombudsman Office to review the Foreign Ministry decision to re-issue a passport to her brother, ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

The Ombudsman said it had earlier submitted its decision regarding the ex-prime minister to the Foreign Ministry but no action has been taken.

Raksagecha Chaecha, Deputy Secretary General of the Ombudsman Office, said the controversy over Mr Thaksin’s passport was taken into the Ombudsman’s consideration following a complaint by Somsak Kosaisuk who accused the Foreign Ministry of breaching the ministry’s Regulation on Issuance of Passport, enforced since 2005. Mr Thaksin was granted a Thai passport on Oct 26 last year.

He said the Foreign Ministry’s issuance of a passport to Mr Thaksin was based on evidence and information in 2008 which was prior to a verdict by the Supreme Court’s Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions to imprison the former prime minister.

Mr Thaksin was sentenced in absentia to two years imprisonment for violating of conflict of interest law concerning his ex-wife's purchase of a parcel of state land in the capital.

Mr Raksagecha said the Ombudsman had instructed the National Police Bureau to arrest Mr Thaksin, who was on the run.

“The Foreign Ministry failed to verify the previous and new facts concerning Mr Thaksin’s status,” he said. “The Ombudsman has submitted its opinions and proposal to the Foreign Ministry but no action was taken.”

Ombudsman Sriracha Charoenpanich signed letter dated Feb 12, to the prime minister, seeking her reply within 30 days.

Ms Yingluck said she would not clarify the issue to the Ombudsman Office herself as the Foreign Ministry was authorised to do that.

The premier stated that her government did not involve with the re-issuance of her brother's passport. She also denied as groundless the report that her brother is now in Chiang Rai while she is now on duty on a trip to the North. (MCOT online news)

-- TNA 2013-02-15

Was that the same Foreign Ministry that issued Thaksins Passport illegally,and are now being asked by the Ombudsman that the same PTP cancel it?

[Pimay1]

The Foreign Ministry, which must respond to the Ombudsman within 30 days, in mid-October requested another 30 days to collect information on the issuance.

Since it had not heard from the Ministry since, Raksakecha said his office on Tuesday submitted a letter to the PM asking her to instruct the Foreign Ministry to heed its recommendation.

So definitely someone came to stir in the pot again a few days ago and the Ombudsman, thinking sh*t I tought they had forgotten about, issued a new warning.

Next warning will be issued in my estimates around July, or maybe the Ombudsman will be replaced promoted by then and the whole process will start from the beginning again.

Or he may just dissapear like the lawyer from South Thailand did.

[Pimay1]

The continued story of a passport issued late October 2011 from flooded offices when the country was pre-occupied with a flooding well done. Followed by denials begin of December 2011 and finally admission that same month.

Transparently of course. Only thing missing is a statement from the PM "no one told me"

[Pimay1]

muttley: Ah, the illustrated "Democrat Party and how to get yourself in Power step by step" guide.

But...but...but the democrats. Typical response when there is no defence. Attack the messenger or go off topic with some wild accusation to derail the thread.

[sbk]

Lets drop the bickering, posts deleted.

[Baerboxer]

The premier stated that her government did not involve with the re-issuance of her brother's passport.

Isn't the MoFA part of the government under the stewardship of the Foreign Minister, aponited by the PM, PM's big brother. I guess technically she's correct as it isn't really "her" government. She must find all this politics and family machinations very trying! Easy to forget that technically the FM reports to her as he probably goes straight to cousin the boss.

I wouldn't hold my breath for a repy if I was the omburdsman. Going to the administrative court is the only way this will be progressed but he needs to be quick before the court and possible his role is dissolved.

Edited February 15, 2013 by Baerboxer

[kimamey]

It was actually the previous Gov that revoked Thaksin's Diplomatic Passport from him, over the charges that were laid against him and the fact that he may have been a threat to the country. The current Gov re issued it to him, as he was no longer a threat to Thailand. His sister Yingluck has nothing to do with issuing passports and it is entirely up to the foreign ministry to make that decision.

Are you sure about that? the fact that the sister who also happens to be the PM has nothing to do with it?

Yingluck had nothing to do with Thaksin being issued his passport when she was elected in to power. The Foreign ministry issued the passport to him and Yingluck can't change any rules and regulations or revoke any passports. Any changes to the rules and regulations must be made through the foreign ministry first and submitted to Parliament for consideration.

Maybe I'm reading this the wrong way but this isn't about changing any rules but abiding by those that are already there. The PM is being asked, as far as I can see tell the Foreign ministry to do it's job. Even if she can't make them do anything it's going to look pretty bad if they just ignore her. She could also sack the minister.