93-Year Old Australian Accused Of Sexually Assaulting 4 Young Thai Children

[JeremyBowskill]

Can only presume that the reason so many TV members seem to want this guy out on the streets is because lots of them will be in their 60s & 70's, married to a girl or living with 1 in their 20's and feel they are only a stone throw away from this mans moral code deep down...........

I think you're projecting your own life and moral code. The posts I've read are saying that he should be charged and face the legal system in Thailand and be dealt with under that system. That's not at all the same are saying they should let him go without charge.

Did I miss the bit where the pedo already skipped bail?

In the good old days even inside prison they had a justice system where a kiddie fiddler was the lowest form of scum, sadly these days seem to have passed by and now these sick sh1ts get protection and sometimes even better conditions than people who may have just strayed from the path a tad. Terrible world we live in!

Edited March 6, 2013 by JeremyBowskill

[Phronesis]

Well...I don't claim to know if this man is guilty or innonocent.

But he sure is a plugger...93 and not out yet...

[Metapod]

unfit for trial?

If you are fit enough to do the crime, you are fit enough to do the crime.

Let him die in prison.

For an alleged offence

Alleged? The article says the seized photos of him with kids in the act.

He doesn't have a leg to stand on here.

[metisdead]

An off topic bickering session has been removed.

[JeremyBowskill]

How long ago did he "rape" these children? A man in his nineties raping four children? Surely,it is impossible. Especialy,if he has Prostate cancer. The Prostate is a gland that produces the liquid which makes the male sperm.

The Old German is 'under charge' for sexual assault on minors.

He's still under police custody during police investigation, but still not 'under warrant'.

Sexual assault includes not only raping but also touching, torturing, filming, insinuating, etc...the victim.

Unfortunately, sexual assault can be confused or translated wrongly when an old single man provides fully innocent chocolate and language courses for kids...

Yeah I expect thats it, he probably just tried to give them a kit kat and a grammar lesson. The fact that he had his todger out and was wearing nothing more than a smile has little to do with it.

[Thorgal]

How long ago did he "rape" these children? A man in his nineties raping four children? Surely,it is impossible. Especialy,if he has Prostate cancer. The Prostate is a gland that produces the liquid which makes the male sperm.

The Old German is 'under charge' for sexual assault on minors.

He's still under police custody during police investigation, but still not 'under warrant'.

Sexual assault includes not only raping but also touching, torturing, filming, insinuating, etc...the victim.

Unfortunately, sexual assault can be confused or translated wrongly when an old single man provides fully innocent chocolate and language courses for kids...

Yeah I expect thats it, he probably just tried to give them a kit kat and a grammar lesson. The fact that he had his todger out and was wearing nothing more than a smile has little to do with it.

Your 2nd sentence is part of your unlimited fantasy...nice try...

Can you define the acceptable 'degree of nudity' to be excluded from sexual assault with minors like in this case ?

No problem if you can't answer the question...

Edited March 6, 2013 by Thorgal

[JeremyBowskill]

How long ago did he "rape" these children? A man in his nineties raping four children? Surely,it is impossible. Especialy,if he has Prostate cancer. The Prostate is a gland that produces the liquid which makes the male sperm.

The Old German is 'under charge' for sexual assault on minors.

He's still under police custody during police investigation, but still not 'under warrant'.

Sexual assault includes not only raping but also touching, torturing, filming, insinuating, etc...the victim.

Unfortunately, sexual assault can be confused or translated wrongly when an old single man provides fully innocent chocolate and language courses for kids...

Yeah I expect thats it, he probably just tried to give them a kit kat and a grammar lesson. The fact that he had his todger out and was wearing nothing more than a smile has little to do with it.

Your 2nd sentence is part of your unlimited fantasy...nice try...

Can you define the acceptable 'degree of nudity' to be excluded from sexual assault with minors like in this case ?

No problem if you can't answer the question...

Let me put it very simply for you, having hundreds of pictures of kids who are not you grandkids or family no matter what the are wearing on your pc or camera is not acceptable. Unless you are a professional child photographer or some such. there is no acceptable degree of nudity needed.

Edited March 6, 2013 by JeremyBowskill

[Thorgal]

Let me put it very simply for you, having hundreds of pictures of kids who are not you grandkids or family no matter what the are wearing on your pc or camera is not acceptable. Unless you are a professional child photographer or some such. there is no acceptable degree of nudity needed.

Now it's clear, if there's no acceptable degree of nudity needed in this case he's clearly innocent with your words.

Fully acceptable illicit pictures from members of your own family ?

And the 100-illicit pictures sources are still not corroborative evidence for his charges.

I will have my doubts if any professional child photographer looks like your avatar...

Edited March 6, 2013 by Thorgal

[JeremyBowskill]

Let me put it very simply for you, having hundreds of pictures of kids who are not you grandkids or family no matter what the are wearing on your pc or camera is not acceptable. Unless you are a professional child photographer or some such. there is no acceptable degree of nudity needed.

Now it's clear, if there's no acceptable degree of nudity needed in this case he's clearly innocent with your words.

Fully acceptable illicit pictures from members of your own family ?

And the 100-illicit pictures sources are still not corroborative evidence for his charges.

I will have my doubts if any professional child photographer looks like your avatar...

give him your address for bail and let him move in and take 100 pictures of your kids. My avatar is a radio DJ from the 80's so don't expect he is a child photographer either unless he has p1ssed away all his money.

[agnusmaximus]

Looking at this objectively, this is a very thought-provoking case. if he is guilty, you have a dying old man with a history of an unforgivable crime. If he is not guilty, who and why would someone want to set up a dying old man in such a manner. lets say you send the pictures into several photo shop gurus and you find out he is guilty. How do you punish a dying old man who already lived a full life of horrible indulgence so that the victims are satisfied (or at least closer at peace) with the incidences in the short remainder of his life. torture? seclusion? tongue lashing from all the victims? string him by his nipples? in my opinion (which might sound too sci-fi for some), I would hire a small team of psychological experts ($$$ experts) and somehow make him apologize for his sins on his own, convince him that he's going to be punished according to his religion, have everyone he knows give him a short visit and give him his ear full, and make him actually believe that everything he has ever done will not be remembered by anyone. He did not exist and he is forgotten, his life was a pointless venture. then throw the chap in a pitch dark cell, with all the proper medical treatment and sustenance, until he passes. what do u guys think? dark enough?

[agnusmaximus]

Can only presume that the reason so many TV members seem to want this guy out on the streets is because lots of them will be in their 60s & 70's, married to a girl or living with 1 in their 20's and feel they are only a stone throw away from this mans moral code deep down...........

I think you're projecting your own life and moral code. The posts I've read are saying that he should be charged and face the legal system in Thailand and be dealt with under that system. That's not at all the same are saying they should let him go without charge.

Did I miss the bit where the pedo already skipped bail?

In the good old days even inside prison they had a justice system where a kiddie fiddler was the lowest form of scum, sadly these days seem to have passed by and now these sick sh1ts get protection and sometimes even better conditions than people who may have just strayed from the path a tad. Terrible world we live in!

in the States, child molesters sent to prison get shanked real quick. Justice? hes killed by criminals, but he was sentenced for life in prison by the State. The State knows this will happen and he is not protected by the the guards, who are on the government payroll. Who's right? loopy stuff if u ask me.

[agnusmaximus]

How long ago did he "rape" these children? A man in his nineties raping four children? Surely,it is impossible. Especialy,if he has Prostate cancer. The Prostate is a gland that produces the liquid which makes the male sperm.

The Old German is 'under charge' for sexual assault on minors.

He's still under police custody during police investigation, but still not 'under warrant'.

Sexual assault includes not only raping but also touching, torturing, filming, insinuating, etc...the victim.

Unfortunately, sexual assault can be confused or translated wrongly when an old single man provides fully innocent chocolate and language courses for kids...

Yeah I expect thats it, he probably just tried to give them a kit kat and a grammar lesson. The fact that he had his todger out and was wearing nothing more than a smile has little to do with it.

ROFL

[Thorgal]

give him your address for bail and let him move in and take 100 pictures of your kids. My avatar is a radio DJ from the 80's so don't expect he is a child photographer either unless he has p1ssed away all his money.

Second bail after his trip/escapade to Rangoon will not be provided by Thai police or Thai Court.

[JemJem]

I am not really a member of the 'Hang'em high brigade' but I am gonna say this : IF HE IS FOUND GUILTY AFTER A DECENT TRIAL, he should do the jailtime ! I say this in general: A person's old age shouldn't cause him to be released or get preferential treatment. Do the crime and do the time.

I am also in favor of the age of criminal responsibility (especially if murder is involved) being 16, as opposed to 18.

[chooka]

Looking at this objectively, this is a very thought-provoking case. if he is guilty, you have a dying old man with a history of an unforgivable crime. If he is not guilty, who and why would someone want to set up a dying old man in such a manner. lets say you send the pictures into several photo shop gurus and you find out he is guilty. How do you punish a dying old man who already lived a full life of horrible indulgence so that the victims are satisfied (or at least closer at peace) with the incidences in the short remainder of his life. torture? seclusion? tongue lashing from all the victims? string him by his nipples? in my opinion (which might sound too sci-fi for some), I would hire a small team of psychological experts ($$$ experts) and somehow make him apologize for his sins on his own, convince him that he's going to be punished according to his religion, have everyone he knows give him a short visit and give him his ear full, and make him actually believe that everything he has ever done will not be remembered by anyone. He did not exist and he is forgotten, his life was a pointless venture. then throw the chap in a pitch dark cell, with all the proper medical treatment and sustenance, until he passes. what do u guys think? dark enough?

Actually he does not have a history of crime. He is a cleanskin as we say.

I hate rockspiders with a passion but something is not right about this.

[JeremyBowskill]

give him your address for bail and let him move in and take 100 pictures of your kids. My avatar is a radio DJ from the 80's so don't expect he is a child photographer either unless he has p1ssed away all his money.

Second bail after his trip/escapade to Rangoon will not be provided by Thai police or Thai Court.

Ah well take the old coffin dodger in some pad thai and yer kids to photograph then!

[Rimkok]

unfit for trial?

If you are fit enough to do the crime, you are fit enough to do the crime.

Let him die in prison.

For an alleged offence

Alleged? The article says the seized photos of him with kids in the act.

He doesn't have a leg to stand on here.

Wheres the photos then??

[Fozfromoz]

Some of the guys here have this " something is missing or doesn't add up" thought. I feel the same.

If I have this right, he was arrested about the middle of 2010, almost 3 Years ago. He was bailed?Jumping bail is part of it, but back to the core case.

Why after nearly 3 Years, with all of this evidence, if its so cut and dried, hasn't he been processed sooner? Is the court system clogged up that much?

Crime (alleged) of this severity, a Farang gets bail?

Somehow 1+1 does not equal 2 here.

Don't get me wrong, if he is guilty there should be no leniency and the appropriate punishment should be bought to bear. He really needs his day in court, to get this sorted one way or the other, regardless of age.

[chooka]

Some of the guys here have this " something is missing or doesn't add up" thought. I feel the same.

If I have this right, he was arrested about the middle of 2010, almost 3 Years ago. He was bailed?Jumping bail is part of it, but back to the core case.

Why after nearly 3 Years, with all of this evidence, if its so cut and dried, hasn't he been processed sooner? Is the court system clogged up that much?

Crime (alleged) of this severity, a Farang gets bail?

Somehow 1+1 does not equal 2 here.

Don't get me wrong, if he is guilty there should be no leniency and the appropriate punishment should be bought to bear. He really needs his day in court, to get this sorted one way or the other, regardless of age.

Agree dragging out a case against a guy in his 90's for 3 years with all the alleged evidence they have seems wrong. I get the feeling they are just waiting for him to drop dead in a cockroach/rat invested thai cell so they can close the books and then distribute his assests as they seem fit.

"IF" they have all this evidence why is it taking nearly 3 yrs and still no appearence before a court?. When is the actual court date 2076?????

Yes if he is guilty then string him up but locking up a 93 yr old without his day in court is wrong and inhumane.

Edited March 7, 2013 by chooka

[Kooweerup]

If they have all this overwhelming evidence against the guy (100's of pics and witnesses) why is it taking 3 yrs to date to bring him to court. Geez the guy was in and still in his 90's when arrested and charged and one would expect him to drop dead any minute. With all this evidence one would expect they had the case heard within weeks before he fell off the perch.

This stinks of corruption and the guy is being milked for everything he has. Get him in court and prove the charges before he dies or else he dies an innocent man rotting in a filthy thai cell. I will be the 1st to take a dump on his head if he is what he is accused of, but at the moment he is just an innocent man accused of being a pedo.

I hate pedophilles they are the filth of the earth but for gods sake give this guy his day in court and not let him rot in a cell on an allegation. 3 yrs is far to long given the mountain of evidence they "SAY THEY HAVE BUT SEEM TO REFUSE TO HAVE A HEARING"

Where is Thai humanity?????????????

[Thorgal]

To Jerrybow72 :

Ah yes, I see, but I'm not a professional child photographer and he can't take pictures because he's not from our family...and he doesn't know what is a digital camera...

Edited March 7, 2013 by Thorgal

[cup-O-coffee]

Innocent until proven guilty. This is clearly a scam. There is no history on him other than what Thai police say to the world, and they are lying because they cannot show the evidence that only that Thai police "say" and "allege" exists and is in the possession of the Thai police.

The main article is published in the Sydney Morning Herald. It usually follows that when a foreign newspaper prints something like this, a little background on the person is mentioned, or there is some summary statement of his criminal past. There is no such mention. 93 years is a long ways to go to hide a sickness that he is being accused of.

I'd like to see his hard drive and check out when those photos were added to the hard drive. I'd like to check out those emails and their IP addresses and the dates on them. I'd like to see his history of use on his PC and be able to know for sure that he is that well skilled to even operate a PC, which most 93 year old men and women have no clue, let alone being able to open up and create an email account. There are a lot of things I'd like to say to the police and to demand that they bring forth to prove their allegations and what the accusers said. These are things the two embassy officials should have been all over like white on rice. Instead they bring muffins. What a couple of utter ineffective <deleted>. Ah yes; the Thai police; Saints among us sinners. Scum who have a known reputation for being corrupt, lying, shooting people, blackmailing people, protecting known murderers, rapists, the wealthy, collaborating with every sordid person known to man.

It is a hard cold fact that at any time any foreigner could be accused by any Thai over any thing and the foreigner will indeed be held accountable over what a Thai said and what a Thai alleges. It is also a cold hard fact that once the police get involved, any foreigner will not simply be allowed to be vindicated as easily as some of these naive posters suggest. Unless that foreigner has absolute proof that they are innocent, and the Thai police know it, then lies become fact. Evidence that does not exist becomes a reality. Mystery becomes certainty.

Do the police fabricate and lie and threaten and carry through with absolute impunity? Absolutely.

The only thing I know about this old man is that the Thai police are after his ass and they have nothing to show for it. That is all I need to know. The fact that they cannot even show any evidence to the consulate or the ambassador of the country he is from also tells me that consulates and ambassadors are worthless pieces of (Rule No.3) when it comes to demanding justice and protection for their citizens. Those two officials from the Australian embassy should have their heads caved in. Bringing him muffins??? Why not tell the police to show the evidence or release their citizen into their custody for protection from a hostile country who is falsely accusing one of their citizens of a very very serious charge?

Thailand is a great place to be until you get caught up with the police or any other Thais who have control of some "angle".; for any reason. Even foreign businesses who come here to have a legitimate operation know better and tell the police and other Thai crooks that they will be operating their businesses by the book, and that "offers" of assistance will be flatly refused.

I hope none of you foreigners ever get accused by any Thai and have the police get involved. Either way, you end up paying just to keep them from pressing even harder and absolutely fabricating the worst kind of hell you can imagine. Ya think it's not true. Ya shouldn't.

Edited March 7, 2013 by cup-O-coffee

[JeremyBowskill]

To Jerrybow72 :

Ah yes, I see, but I'm not a professional child photographer and he can't take pictures because he's not from our family...and he doesn't know what is a digital camera...

Those are my rules, while you are welcome to abide by them I had you down as a lefty <deleted> who would welcome any uncle lyle the ped-o-file to his abode. Thought you were up for nonces rights and just because some fella has hundreds of pictures of kiddies on him camera doesn't make him odd????? go let him take pics of yours then, practice as you preach!

[GentlemanJim]

There are some folks on here who are really really unpleasant people!

Cup-o-coffee

Great post. Why not visit him and ask to be part of the team that represents him, then go check out all that puter stuff. I do believe you make some really good points, and, guilty or not, all the questions you raise need sound professionally based answers.

[Nisa]

This has been dragging on for nearly 3 years whilst the police try and gather evidence to put him before a court. I hate pedophilles with a passion, they are the lowest of low but this case sounds like a set up to me and the authorities are now trying to back down whilst saving face. If they had all the evidence like they claim then this guy could have been convicted and sentenced 2 yrs ago.

I didn't see any comments from authorities that would in any way shape or form indicate they are backing down. In fact, everything seems to point in the other direction seeing how they got him back from Burma and have held him in custody without bail. Him and his lawyer trying to claim he is unfit to stand trial is not at all the same as authorities wanting the case to go away.

Also consider he couldn't be held in jail for this long unless substantial evidence has been presented to a judge(s) already. So, even if you have a tendency to believe the victims, their family, the maid, the police and prosecutors are all conspiring against a 90+ year old man who is likely on a fixed income, you should consider that numerous pieces of evidence (such as the pics of him naked with kids along with the 100 or so other child porno pieces they gathered from his house) has all already been submitted to the court. Without any hard evidence the courts would not continue his detention before trial.

By the way, from the story it would appear the defendant is the one delaying a trial by trying to prove he is unfit to stand trial. Also, the investigative period during which a judge can order a a defendant held is only 3-months. In other words there is no more investigation going on, there is just the defendant and his lawyer trying to prevent a trial.

[Choonpon]

To: Mr Karl Joseph Kraus

If you are fit to commit the offence, you are fit to stand trial.

You have the balls to do it, don't you have the balls to face the consequences??

[simple1]

Innocent until proven guilty. This is clearly a scam. There is no history on him other than what Thai police say to the world, and they are lying because they cannot show the evidence that only that Thai police "say" and "allege" exists and is in the possession of the Thai police.

The main article is published in the Sydney Morning Herald. It usually follows that when a foreign newspaper prints something like this, a little background on the person is mentioned, or there is some summary statement of his criminal past. There is no such mention. 93 years is a long ways to go to hide a sickness that he is being accused of.

I'd like to see his hard drive and check out when those photos were added to the hard drive. I'd like to check out those emails and their IP addresses and the dates on them. I'd like to see his history of use on his PC and be able to know for sure that he is that well skilled to even operate a PC, which most 93 year old men and women have no clue, let alone being able to open up and create an email account. There are a lot of things I'd like to say to the police and to demand that they bring forth to prove their allegations and what the accusers said. These are things the two embassy officials should have been all over like white on rice. Instead they bring muffins. What a couple of utter ineffective <deleted>. Ah yes; the Thai police; Saints among us sinners. Scum who have a known reputation for being corrupt, lying, shooting people, blackmailing people, protecting known murderers, rapists, the wealthy, collaborating with every sordid person known to man.

It is a hard cold fact that at any time any foreigner could be accused by any Thai over any thing and the foreigner will indeed be held accountable over what a Thai said and what a Thai alleges. It is also a cold hard fact that once the police get involved, any foreigner will not simply be allowed to be vindicated as easily as some of these naive posters suggest. Unless that foreigner has absolute proof that they are innocent, and the Thai police know it, then lies become fact. Evidence that does not exist becomes a reality. Mystery becomes certainty.

Do the police fabricate and lie and threaten and carry through with absolute impunity? Absolutely.

The only thing I know about this old man is that the Thai police are after his ass and they have nothing to show for it. That is all I need to know. The fact that they cannot even show any evidence to the consulate or the ambassador of the country he is from also tells me that consulates and ambassadors are worthless pieces of (Rule No.3) when it comes to demanding justice and protection for their citizens. Those two officials from the Australian embassy should have their heads caved in. Bringing him muffins??? Why not tell the police to show the evidence or release their citizen into their custody for protection from a hostile country who is falsely accusing one of their citizens of a very very serious charge?

Thailand is a great place to be until you get caught up with the police or any other Thais who have control of some "angle".; for any reason. Even foreign businesses who come here to have a legitimate operation know better and tell the police and other Thai crooks that they will be operating their businesses by the book, and that "offers" of assistance will be flatly refused.

I hope none of you foreigners ever get accused by any Thai and have the police get involved. Either way, you end up paying just to keep them from pressing even harder and absolutely fabricating the worst kind of hell you can imagine. Ya think it's not true. Ya shouldn't.

Regards your comments on the Australian Embassy requesting evidence or indeed the accused lawyer. From the US Chiang Mai Consulate website "There is no discovery process in the Thai court system, so you do not have access to evidence before the trial"

[Thorgal]

Oh yes,

Can I take pictures like your avatar ?

Can I send them by mail overseas ?

Can I plan after all this a trip to Rangoon, all together to celebrate our innocence and submits to your abiding rules ?

Thank you so much !

Edited March 7, 2013 by Thorgal

[Nisa]

If they have all this overwhelming evidence against the guy (100's of pics and witnesses) why is it taking 3 yrs to date to bring him to court. Geez the guy was in and still in his 90's when arrested and charged and one would expect him to drop dead any minute. With all this evidence one would expect they had the case heard within weeks before he fell off the perch.

This stinks of corruption and the guy is being milked for everything he has. Get him in court and prove the charges before he dies or else he dies an innocent man rotting in a filthy thai cell. I will be the 1st to take a dump on his head if he is what he is accused of, but at the moment he is just an innocent man accused of being a pedo.

I hate pedophilles they are the filth of the earth but for gods sake give this guy his day in court and not let him rot in a cell on an allegation. 3 yrs is far to long given the mountain of evidence they "SAY THEY HAVE BUT SEEM TO REFUSE TO HAVE A HEARING"

Where is Thai humanity?????????????

You need to take it up with the defendant and his lawyer as to why there has not been a trial --- they are the ones who are trying to prevent it. My guess is there would be a number of people in an uproar if the court pressed forward with a trial despite his lawyer saying he needs time to prove he isn't fit to stand trial.

Let us also not forget he was the one who chose to flee the country to try to avoid a trial and this is the reason he is sitting in jail now trying to avoid this from going to trial.

As per Thai law, the court is already in receipt of the police evidence. If the defendant wants his day in court then he should submit his side of things and let the court decide the case.

If he is innocent then show the photos are doctored and it is not him posing naked with kids, instead show he has never been fit to operate or has ever owned a computer or digital camera or sent email as a number of people seem to think is the case --- no need to flee the country and no need to say you're unfit for trial.

Edit: And the Thai "Humanity" of allowing a 90+ year old man to not be in jail as the case progressed went out the door when he proved he couldn't be trusted and fled the country.

Edited March 7, 2013 by Nisa

[JeremyBowskill]

Oh yes,

Can I take pictures like your avatar ?

Can I send them by mail overseas ?

Can I plan after all this a trip to Rangoon, all together to celebrate our innocence and submits to your abiding rules ?

Thank you so much !

If You think you may like a picture of Pat Sharp, you and he are both way over consenting age so feel free. same applies to question 2. You may also go to Rangoon as long as you are not skipping bail and have a passport.

Strange how you see a consenting adult putting a picture on the net for others to use and enjoy as in way similar to some dirty old raincoat man taking pictures of children. maybe you need counselling...........

Edited March 8, 2013 by JeremyBowskill