93-Year Old Australian Accused Of Sexually Assaulting 4 Young Thai Children

[Johnnie99]

He appears to look like a crusty bitter old fart. From the pic he doesn't look like he will be on this planet very much longer.

93 years old? Prostate cancer? What else led to your insightful conclusion?

[ozziebloke]

I think he's not guilty. If he were, and there were evidence, there would be no reason to delay the law suit for 3 years. He didn't pay up for a crime he did not commit, that's why he's being held in Thailand, and expected to die asap. He musn't go back to Australia to tell his side of the story in order to avoid another major embarrassment for Thailand. I feel sorry for the guy being trapped in a Kafkaesque situation like this, and due to avcanced age and disease, unable to defend himself any longer.

Hmm, not sure. The whole point of words do matter. He never said I'm innocent, I'm not guilty of these charges. He said, "I didn't do anything wrong" which can mean anything, usually along the lines of belief of their actions aren't wrong in their mind.

People who are innocent, usually 'scream and shout' innocence. They don't say the things he said. Which are much more benign and less intense in protesting his innocence.

I don't know if he is 100% guilty, but things just don't add up.

And the 3 years to get a court date...it does happen. Courts are back logged and he may have been considered a low flight risk hence not rushed.

I can agree with you also. It is not unusual for cases like this to take many years and also he obsconding while on bail which has lengthened the court case. Many on this thread are accusing posters of being in the hang him high club but there are also many who are proclaiming he is set up, to old, pictures doctored, the parents are corrupt, he's farrang so naturally the BIB made it up to make money,etc etc. The reports over the last few years have reported that he abbused four children, There were photo's collected on search of his premises of himself naked with naked children, of emails with naked children etc.In the last three years I havn't seen any report to suggest any settup, doctored photo's, accusations by the accused that the family set him up for money.

[sirchai]

“Nobody helps me. This is terrible … they put me in jail when I was sick,” he said.

Yes, they were damn right to do so. Human trash.

[Marlow999]

jonclark #5

"Let the courts decide his guilt or innocence before you start with the hang em high

posts. After all one day a person may make an allegation against you. Would you want

that allegation perceived as guilt?"

A Belgian Roman Catholic Bishop has admitted child abuse but has not been brought before

a Court. How does that fit in with "Let the courts decide his guilt or innocence ..."?

It doesn't, and it's irrelevant to this case. It's a horrible case but the court should make the judgement.

[tingtongfarang]

i see the problem as a few others have, Guilty or not there will always be a certain amount of miss trust purely based on the bad reputation of both the royal thai police and the thai justice system,

I,m sure many thais perceive him as a 93 year old wealthy farang regardless of his financial position.

Edited March 5, 2013 by tingtongfarang

[PoorSucker]

Off topic and troll posts deleted.

[yummypizza]

The memories and the scars, will still be here when he is long gone, Like the Nazi war criminals, all very old,yet pursued with a vengeance for their crimes, age cannot be a factor!

Edited March 5, 2013 by yummypizza

[Marlow999]

Ever play count the perverts at Kad Suan Kaew? (Chiang Mai)

I was there yesterday and saw 2 old guys and one had the shortest shorts imaginable and loose around the thighs. looked like a bloody super mini skirt. I'm not saying he's a pervert, but I reckon he was about 75 and certainly didn't care that he was getting lots of looks......perhaps welcomed it!

So...?

Seems like you paid a lot of attention to the style of his shorts. I'm not saying anyone's a pervert but...

And he was "about 75"?...better condemn him for being elderly then.

[khunken]

I think he's not guilty. If he were, and there were evidence, there would be no reason to delay the law suit for 3 years. He didn't pay up for a crime he did not commit, that's why he's being held in Thailand, and expected to die asap. He musn't go back to Australia to tell his side of the story in order to avoid another major embarrassment for Thailand. I feel sorry for the guy being trapped in a Kafkaesque situation like this, and due to avcanced age and disease, unable to defend himself any longer.

Hmm, not sure. The whole point of words do matter. He never said I'm innocent, I'm not guilty of these charges. He said, "I didn't do anything wrong" which can mean anything, usually along the lines of belief of their actions aren't wrong in their mind.

People who are innocent, usually 'scream and shout' innocence. They don't say the things he said. Which are much more benign and less intense in protesting his innocence.

I don't know if he is 100% guilty, but things just don't add up.

And the 3 years to get a court date...it does happen. Courts are back logged and he may have been considered a low flight risk hence not rushed.

I can agree with you also. It is not unusual for cases like this to take many years and also he obsconding while on bail which has lengthened the court case. Many on this thread are accusing posters of being in the hang him high club but there are also many who are proclaiming he is set up, to old, pictures doctored, the parents are corrupt, he's farrang so naturally the BIB made it up to make money,etc etc. The reports over the last few years have reported that he abbused four children, There were photo's collected on search of his premises of himself naked with naked children, of emails with naked children etc.In the last three years I havn't seen any report to suggest any settup, doctored photo's, accusations by the accused that the family set him up for money.

Have you seen the photos? No, people are not claiming he is set up. They are claiming that it could be a setup. Anyone who has dealt with the BIB knows that they are capable of anything where money is concerned.

The hang 'em high brigade belong in the Wild West of over 100 years ago when justice came at the point of a gun. I don't know if he is guilty or not & I'm not a judge. As he is a flight risk he should be held until trial. Running away does not, however, prove guilt or innocence. Many Thais, in fact, run away because they fear the BIB.

If he's guilty, lock him up for life (what's left of it).

[Radar501]

These sort of news stories certainly do ignite the passions of TV members, with the standard polarisation of opinions.

In the blue corner we have the lynch mob, and in the red corner the conspiracy theorists.

The Thai judicial system is not perfect, but Thailand is far from being a failed state. Perhaps we should just allow the court to run its course in this matter, before we pass our own judgments.

[super22k]

Ironically,muffin means something else in English slang. Most english citizens will know what I mean. Just to bring a morsel of humour into a sordid situation.

[DILLIGAD]

If I was being accused of something as serious as this and I was innocent, all you would see is a Thaddeus shaped blur heading for the horizon.

Quite, I'd fork off too!

[WhingeingMoaners]

This is why I keep warning my fellow countrymen to be wary of Farangs.

[ozziebloke]

@Khunken

Have you seen the photos? No, people are not claiming he is set up. They are claiming that it could be a setup. Anyone who has dealt with the BIB knows that they are capable of anything where money is concerned.

The hang 'em high brigade belong in the Wild West of over 100 years
ago when justice came at the point of a gun. I don't know if he is
guilty or not & I'm not a judge. As he is a flight risk he should be
held until trial. Running away does not, however, prove guilt or
innocence. Many Thais, in fact, run away because they fear the BIB.

If he's guilty, lock him up for life (what's left of it)

No I have not seen the photo's and I have not said he is guilty. However
there have been some say that they beleive there is a good chance he
has been set up and that there is a good chance that the photo's have
been doctored (photo shopped) as you have put to me ? have the ones
stating that they beleive that he could have been set up and the photo's
could have been doctored ? have they seen the photo's ? have they seen
any reports that the accused or his legal team have suggested anything
like this ? Many on this thread are just relaying their feelings on
reports as they are and what suggested evidence there is, on the other
hand those defending him on supposed conspiracie theories have no
reports to show their beleifs.

[MEL1]

He's an attractive older man and certainly has a debonaire style in how he dresses himself.

I could see how some Thai teenage girl could be drawn into that.

Totally agree..... James Bond eat your heart out!

I can't say much for his over-filled colonoscopy bag though......ewww!

-mel.

Edited March 5, 2013 by MEL1

[khunken]

@Khunken

Have you seen the photos? No, people are not claiming he is set up. They are claiming that it could be a setup. Anyone who has dealt with the BIB knows that they are capable of anything where money is concerned.

The hang 'em high brigade belong in the Wild West of over 100 years

ago when justice came at the point of a gun. I don't know if he is

guilty or not & I'm not a judge. As he is a flight risk he should be

held until trial. Running away does not, however, prove guilt or

innocence. Many Thais, in fact, run away because they fear the BIB.

If he's guilty, lock him up for life (what's left of it)

No I have not seen the photo's and I have not said he is guilty. However

there have been some say that they beleive there is a good chance he

has been set up and that there is a good chance that the photo's have

been doctored (photo shopped) as you have put to me ? have the ones

stating that they beleive that he could have been set up and the photo's

could have been doctored ? have they seen the photo's ? have they seen

any reports that the accused or his legal team have suggested anything

like this ? Many on this thread are just relaying their feelings on

reports as they are and what suggested evidence there is, on the other

hand those defending him on supposed conspiracie theories have no

reports to show their beleifs.

You need to read my post again. I didn't say you accused him of being guilty. Again, most doubtful posters said it could be a setup. I underline that word again because you seem to have missed it before.

What evidence? The police are supposed to have the evidence mentioned in the report. There is nothing to say that their alleged evidence has been presented to the court. You are defending the hang 'em high brigade & that's sad.

Again, if he is guilty he should be punished. Neither the hang 'em high or the setup have any right to condemn him or find him innocent.

[happysanook]

Just take him out back and shoot him.

I feel really sorry for the kids though.

Maybe you'd consider waiting on that outcome until a Thai court, such as they are, actually finds him guilty of having committed some crime...

Like if the Thai court finds him guilty, it means he's guilty? Please man...

[Nisa]

Wonder if you would be saying the same things if it was your kids he molested and then shared pornographic pictures of them (some with him in the photos) with others on the internet. Really can't help but wonder if you would be so confident in the ruling of a court that may decide he shouldn't have to stand trial for the rape of your children because he has become to frail.

Which is exactly why courts are objective and not subjective.

If the courts rule that he is too old and ill to stand trial then this is not at all being objective and not at all in the interest of justice or even remotely a sane decision. This man can communicate and there is nothing said that he is not of sound mind. It would be incredibly subjective if this court grants pity on this person because he has become older and frailer since his alleged raping of children as reported by the children and backed up by photos and his maid.

I believe the entire gist of the OP is that a guy who likely has raped and molested a number of children may go free if the court agrees that he has become too old and frail since his arrest after jumping bail and sneaking into Burma to avoid prosecution.

Should courts be able to green light anyone who has a terminal disease to harm other members of the public just because by the time the trial gets going they will not be as mobile as an average person?

Lets just hope this is the press reporting something that is possible but far fetched because if somebody is too ill to stand trial then they should be held in a prison jail or a secured mental facility until they are fit or they expire especially in a case where the suspect has proven he cannot be trusted while out on bail. But bottom line is this guy doesn't seem insane and there is nothing preventing him from attending trial as has already been demonstrated by his attending court, being incarcerated and his own words.

Edited March 5, 2013 by Nisa

[mickjn]

Thats a great Aussie name.Muffins and juice,Australian Embassy officials wouldnt get me a plate of shit.Let him rot in jail.I will tell you now there are plenty of men,not peds,in their 70s -80s doing time in Australian jails

[Locationthailand]

At 93? This guy was even capable of sexual acts? This guy is well past his prime. Let it go to court, view the evidence, then let his fate take its course.

Sexual assault on children can take many forms and these can be perpetrated by someone of any age.

eg.

Enemas, Tubes, and Object Insertion as Part of Child Abuse

Agree but let the court prove it one way or the other. I am not making a judgement call on this and he is German not Australian by birth, not that that makes any difference.

[ozziebloke]

@Khunken

Have you seen the photos? No, people are not claiming he is set up. They are claiming that it could be a setup. Anyone who has dealt with the BIB knows that they are capable of anything where money is concerned.

The hang 'em high brigade belong in the Wild West of over 100 years

ago when justice came at the point of a gun. I don't know if he is

guilty or not & I'm not a judge. As he is a flight risk he should be

held until trial. Running away does not, however, prove guilt or

innocence. Many Thais, in fact, run away because they fear the BIB.

If he's guilty, lock him up for life (what's left of it)

No I have not seen the photo's and I have not said he is guilty. However

there have been some say that they beleive there is a good chance he

has been set up and that there is a good chance that the photo's have

been doctored (photo shopped) as you have put to me ? have the ones

stating that they beleive that he could have been set up and the photo's

could have been doctored ? have they seen the photo's ? have they seen

any reports that the accused or his legal team have suggested anything

like this ? Many on this thread are just relaying their feelings on

reports as they are and what suggested evidence there is, on the other

hand those defending him on supposed conspiracie theories have no

reports to show their beleifs.

You need to read my post again. I didn't say you accused him of being guilty. Again, most doubtful posters said it could be a setup. I underline that word again because you seem to have missed it before.

What evidence? The police are supposed to have the evidence mentioned in the report. There is nothing to say that their alleged evidence has been presented to the court. You are defending the hang 'em high brigade & that's sad.

Again, if he is guilty he should be punished. Neither the hang 'em high or the setup have any right to condemn him or find him innocent.

I don't need to read your post again! I didn't say that you had said that I thought he was guilty, I just gave that information. And if you read my post, I have said, that the conspirasers have said there is a good chance the same as your could. Again I say that people are posting their feelings on reports in the news over the last three years based on suggested evidence and that the conspiracers do not have any suggested reports in the news or anywhere that the accused or his legal team have stated any setup or fake photo's etc. Yes I'm more inclined to beleive that he is more guilty than innocent but I still will wait for the courts judgement and I dont beleive he should be released on bail as he has already abused that course.

[Carioca]

Kick him out of the country. Let the Aussies deal with him. If guilty, they can afford to house him humanely thereby extending his life and his time in prison.

[Costas2008]

I'm not saying that the old man should be aqquited.....let him rot in jail

But what about the thousands of Thai children being abused everyday in Thailand by their Thai relatives even Parents?

We don't hear much of it....everything is covered.....money talks.

But when a Farang does something wrong it's all over the headlines.

Long Live Thailand.

[Semper]

At 93? This guy was even capable of sexual acts? This guy is well past his prime. Let it go to court, view the evidence, then let his fate take its course.

Sexual assault on children can take many forms and these can be perpetrated by someone of any age.

eg.

Enemas, Tubes, and Object Insertion as Part of Child Abuse

Agree but let the court prove it one way or the other. I am not making a judgement call on this and he is German not Australian by birth, not that that makes any difference.

So what was the point of mentioning it?

[khunken]

@Khunken

Have you seen the photos? No, people are not claiming he is set up. They are claiming that it could be a setup. Anyone who has dealt with the BIB knows that they are capable of anything where money is concerned.

The hang 'em high brigade belong in the Wild West of over 100 years

ago when justice came at the point of a gun. I don't know if he is

guilty or not & I'm not a judge. As he is a flight risk he should be

held until trial. Running away does not, however, prove guilt or

innocence. Many Thais, in fact, run away because they fear the BIB.

If he's guilty, lock him up for life (what's left of it)

No I have not seen the photo's and I have not said he is guilty. However

there have been some say that they beleive there is a good chance he

has been set up and that there is a good chance that the photo's have

been doctored (photo shopped) as you have put to me ? have the ones

stating that they beleive that he could have been set up and the photo's

could have been doctored ? have they seen the photo's ? have they seen

any reports that the accused or his legal team have suggested anything

like this ? Many on this thread are just relaying their feelings on

reports as they are and what suggested evidence there is, on the other

hand those defending him on supposed conspiracie theories have no

reports to show their beleifs.

You need to read my post again. I didn't say you accused him of being guilty. Again, most doubtful posters said it could be a setup. I underline that word again because you seem to have missed it before.

What evidence? The police are supposed to have the evidence mentioned in the report. There is nothing to say that their alleged evidence has been presented to the court. You are defending the hang 'em high brigade & that's sad.

Again, if he is guilty he should be punished. Neither the hang 'em high or the setup have any right to condemn him or find him innocent.

I don't need to read your post again! I didn't say that you had said that I thought he was guilty, I just gave that information. And if you read my post, I have said, that the conspirasers have said there is a good chance the same as your could. Again I say that people are posting their feelings on reports in the news over the last three years based on suggested evidence and that the conspiracers do not have any suggested reports in the news or anywhere that the accused or his legal team have stated any setup or fake photo's etc. Yes I'm more inclined to beleive that he is more guilty than innocent but I still will wait for the courts judgement and I dont beleive he should be released on bail as he has already abused that course.

OK - I agree with most of what you say. Just one final point. The hang 'em high brigade said nothing about a trial & that's the problem - Wild West 'justice'. The others? Whether it's 'good chance' or could', at least they allow for doubt.

[ginjag]

I'm not saying that the old man should be aqquited.....let him rot in jail

But what about the thousands of Thai children being abused everyday in Thailand by their Thai relatives even Parents?

We don't hear much of it....everything is covered.....money talks.

But when a Farang does something wrong it's all over the headlines.

Long Live Thailand.

There are NO excuses for ANYONE who commits crimes especially against kids, but do agree with you about Thai adults that do the same acts----naturally we never hear of news about this.

But in a foreign country especially anyone that is guilty deserves to be punnished no matter what age they are.

[Nisa]

At 93? This guy was even capable of sexual acts? This guy is well past his prime. Let it go to court, view the evidence, then let his fate take its course.

Sexual assault on children can take many forms and these can be perpetrated by someone of any age.

eg.

Enemas, Tubes, and Object Insertion as Part of Child Abuse

Agree but let the court prove it one way or the other. I am not making a judgement call on this and he is German not Australian by birth, not that that makes any difference.

So what was the point of mentioning it?

Being that so many people love to paint an entire people with one brush based on news accounts of a very few I guess it is important to some to be able to say it is German blood that caused this or if it was exposure to Australian culture. Stories like this are hard for many to deal with ... better when the story is about a Thai doing bad to a farang because then do we not only not need to consider the possibility of innocence of the accused but it makes it simple because we can blame it on being Thai as well as their culture

[MEL1]

These sort of news stories certainly do ignite the passions of TV members, with the standard polarisation of opinions.

In the blue corner we have the lynch mob, and in the red corner the conspiracy theorists.

The Thai judicial system is not perfect, but Thailand is far from being a failed state. Perhaps we should just allow the court to run its course in this matter, before we pass our own judgments.

Didn't you mean the 'yellow corner', as opposed to 'blue'?

-mel.

[DocN]

If he is guilty, put him away for the rest of his days.

Even if he is sick...I personally hope, he will have some kicking and screaming to do, on the way out.

[khunken]

Being that so many people love to paint an entire people with one brush based on news accounts of a very few I guess it is important to some to be able to say it is German blood that caused this or if it was exposure to Australian culture. Stories like this are hard for many to deal with ... better when the story is about a Thai doing bad to a farang because then do we not only not need to consider the possibility of innocence of the accused but it makes it simple because we can blame it on being Thai as well as their culture

This topic is not about blaming anything on Thais or their culture. You continuously trot out this nonsense even when it has nothing to do with the Op. There are reports of Thai Pedophiles as well as Farang ones - both should be condemned for their actions, not their nationality.

Edited March 5, 2013 by khunken