bamboozled Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 It has come to my attention, if the stories that I am told are true, that a young girl with whom I have become acquainted is being held captive by a man here in CM. It is the usual story. She is an ethnic minority, had some problems at home and he offered to help, promising school, job, etc... He brought her to his home in CM, did none of the things he promised, and lots of things he hadn't even mentioned prior to her coming to CM. She wants to leave but he is demanding she repay money he has spent on her. I will bet that once the money is repaid there will be a new reason why she cannot leave. He beats her and was told that if she leaves he will kill her parents. Again, this is only one side of the story, her side, but it seems to be one that you read about quite often. I believe there are some folks/agencies in CM that can counsel her/help her. Does anyone have information on this? Thank you, bamboozled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post uptheos Posted March 24, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted March 24, 2013 " a young girl with whom I have become acquainted is being held captive by a man here in CM" If you've become acquainted with this girl, why not take her back home (hers) or to a safe place when you meet next? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soi41 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Google: Pavena Foundation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CMNightRider Posted March 24, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted March 24, 2013 Contacting the police come to mind. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DiamondKing Posted March 24, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted March 24, 2013 (edited) Sounds like if she can be out meeting you she can leave whenever she wishes since its stands to reason she is not being kept againste her will if she can freely meet other men while supposedly being detained against her will Edited March 24, 2013 by DiamondKing 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboozled Posted March 24, 2013 Author Share Posted March 24, 2013 I don't think it's that simple when dealing with men like this. She is not captive in the sense that she can never leave the house. She is captive because she cannot leave him...he has threatened to kill her family. And I assume he would search for her, most likely find her, knowing her routine, where she works, etc...and punish her as he sees fit. When you don't have money your options become very limited. I thought of the police but I have the impression they don't do much in these situations. The story could be false and she could be making it all up for whatever reasons. That is why I would like to be a third party to helping her thus removing any ulterior motives she might have. If I can provide her with info to help herself then she is free to make use of it. Plus, honestly, I don't want some crazy guy after me, killer or not. I will check Pavena, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellodolly Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 I don't think it's that simple when dealing with men like this. She is not captive in the sense that she can never leave the house. She is captive because she cannot leave him...he has threatened to kill her family. And I assume he would search for her, most likely find her, knowing her routine, where she works, etc...and punish her as he sees fit. When you don't have money your options become very limited. I thought of the police but I have the impression they don't do much in these situations. The story could be false and she could be making it all up for whatever reasons. That is why I would like to be a third party to helping her thus removing any ulterior motives she might have. If I can provide her with info to help herself then she is free to make use of it. Plus, honestly, I don't want some crazy guy after me, killer or not. I will check Pavena, thank you. Please report your findings. This sounds like some thing we all should know. Personal experience can vary wildly from printed advertisements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 (edited) If she thinks that he will really kill her family, there is a not a lot that she can do unless she has some very tough family members that might convince him to leave her alone. Edited March 24, 2013 by Ulysses G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Almera Posted March 24, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted March 24, 2013 (edited) Contacting the police come to mind. Yes, she is certain to be safe from criminal pimps who abuse and sell defenseless ethnic girls then. Edited March 24, 2013 by Almera 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puukao Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Have you seen the bruises on her body? Has she asked you for money to give to him? I have heard stories like this when I was in another country....and I didn't give her any money. When the story involves money, I wonder. I'm not saying leave her be......and maybe he will target you if you get too close. ok, so you are watching a movie and this plot takes place......what do you do? Yes, don't be the hero. Let the professionals look into this one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboozled Posted March 24, 2013 Author Share Posted March 24, 2013 I'm not having any luck online in finding organizations to help this girl. She says she is 18 so she is an adult which makes the case difficult to pursue legally. In the States, this might be filed under "domestic abuse" and even there there is not a lot that can be done. She is being held in check by fear. I didn't see any bruises and she didn't ask for money. Maybe I myself am blowing it out of proportion but when someone tells you a story like this it seems so monstrous and inhuman that you feel you must do something to end it. Come to think of it, she didn't even ask me for help and it might not seem as monstrous to her as it does to me. She rather seems resigned to living like this until fate intervenes in some manner. And that is sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteeleJoe Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 I'm not having any luck online in finding organizations to help this girl. She says she is 18 so she is an adult which makes the case difficult to pursue legally. In the States, this might be filed under "domestic abuse" and even there there is not a lot that can be done. She is being held in check by fear. I didn't see any bruises and she didn't ask for money. Maybe I myself am blowing it out of proportion but when someone tells you a story like this it seems so monstrous and inhuman that you feel you must do something to end it. Come to think of it, she didn't even ask me for help and it might not seem as monstrous to her as it does to me. She rather seems resigned to living like this until fate intervenes in some manner. And that is sad. What is your relationship to her? Does she gain anything by lying (not necessarily financial and/or immediate. Maybe even something as simple as undeserved sympathy or attention. Maybe merely a justification to give you as to why she is living with this old man). I don't care if you answer these questions here but you might want to answer them for yourself. Sent from my iPad using ThaiVisa ap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexilis Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 You might try the Empower organization (Google "Empower Chaing Mai"). I done know much about them but I understand they work with various NGOs on human rights issuesd associated with the sex trade and trafficking and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Payboy Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 The man = Thai or farang? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rene123 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 The man = Thai or farang? That is the first question I would ask. If the creep is Thai then there are tougher problems. Farangs have to walk a thin line in Thailand or they get turned into authorities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboozled Posted March 24, 2013 Author Share Posted March 24, 2013 He's Thai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Payboy Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 He's Thai. Looks like the Paveena Foundation is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboozled Posted March 24, 2013 Author Share Posted March 24, 2013 The Pavena website doesn't open for me. I saw a video on youtube about it and it seems promising. But google isn't turning up much contact info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboozled Posted March 24, 2013 Author Share Posted March 24, 2013 By the way, SteelJoe, your points are well-taken.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonMrPics Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Im not trying to avoid the central scary situation here - but is possible that she could with hard work and time pay of the debt? Im no expert but in the sex trade a person is bought just like you might buy a car, and then rented out to get return on investment- if that is similar situation here, then perhaps earning income could be viable means of escape. But I hope any agency you find can better advise. I commend you for investigating and trying to help - its because of people like you, the world becomes a nicer place 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboozled Posted March 24, 2013 Author Share Posted March 24, 2013 Thanks for the kind words, Simon. I've read various stories about people in these situations, sex workers, enslaved maids, immigrant farmhands, etc... (even in the States, such as in Florida and CA, migrant workers on giant farms are enslaved and don't have freedom -the farms are huge and they are housed far from any place where they might have contact with the outside world), and the pay back amount is always kept just out of reach. If you get close to arriving at the stated amount suddenly there will be a new charge or the terms will change. There never really is an option to pay them back. It is just a carrot dangled in front of their face to give them hope and keep them subdued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playyer Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 There was an article in Chiang Mai Citylife about human trafficking and slavery in chiang mai: http://www.chiangmainews.com/ecmn/viewfa.php?id=2688 Maybe you can find some info to an organization there. Like you wrote I dont think this guy will ever let her go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboozled Posted March 24, 2013 Author Share Posted March 24, 2013 I am not having any luck in finding contact info for these organizations online. Odd and frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beng Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Contacting the police come to mind. That should be done indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beng Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 (edited) Get the coppers to work on this Edited March 24, 2013 by Beng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteeleJoe Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 By the way, SteelJoe, your points are well-taken.... I thought it went without saying, but on reflection perhaps I should add my opinion: if you ARE reasonably sure she is enslaved then you should do whatever you can. But be careful. VERY. Sent from my iPad using ThaiVisa ap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rene123 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Contacting the police come to mind. That should be done indeed And NOT at just ONE police station. From what I've heard there is a difference in police stations and some are in league with the sex trade mafia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kast Posted March 25, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted March 25, 2013 (edited) You can try to get in touch with Trafcord, which is now called FOCUS (Foundation of Child Understanding). They deal with these types of issues. Their contact info is 053-112-643-4 or 087-174-5797 (24hrs). They work in conjunction with the Chiang Mai Provincial Operation Centre of Prevention and Suppression of Human Trafficking (POCHT). Don't try to deal with this yourself. As other members of TV have suggested, this is better handled by the authorities and professionals who deal with these issues. Edited March 25, 2013 by kast 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharp Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 By the way, SteelJoe, your points are well-taken.... I thought it went without saying, but on reflection perhaps I should add my opinion: if you ARE reasonably sure she is enslaved then you should do whatever you can. But be careful. VERY. Sent from my iPad using ThaiVisa ap Agreed......maybe an anonymous letter dropped at the police station or her Embassy might be an option ... Good luck but be careful.. Sent from my iPad using ThaiVisa app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesquite Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 You can try to get in touch with Trafcord, which is now called FOCUS (Foundation of Child Understanding). They deal with these types of issues. Their contact info is 053-112-643-4 or 087-174-5797 (24hrs). They work in conjunction with the Chiang Mai Provincial Operation Centre of Prevention and Suppression of Human Trafficking (POCHT). Don't try to deal with this yourself. As other members of TV have suggested, this is better handled by the authorities and professionals who deal with these issues. This is the only thing to do. You don't know who you are dealing with and you are only a farang wanting to rescue a Thai woman. Those type of farang are a dime a dozen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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