BangrakBob Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 WHU - 12 games - 1 goal - injured for 3 months. LFC - 44 games - 6 goals - injured for 2 months? A player who is unable to adapt to our playing style so you need to adapt the team's playing style to his limited strengths. A hinderance that could have cost us more points and slow the progression of adapting to BR's model. I think you could have still started making the progression of adapting to BR's model. Carroll would have been a good plan B for when things weren't working. Change things around and give the opposition a different sort of threat to worry about in the last 20 minutes for example. For goodness sake, you paid over 30m for the guy, and now you are saying not that he wouldn't improve the team, but that his mere presence makes the team worse. One h3ll of a buy eh. Maybe you are right, and we might find out if he keeps up this form and Carlton Cole keeps playing well. Agreed it was a monumental buy, but I don't see him improving. He might be like Torres.....Torres can only play good football for Rafa, Carroll can only play good football in a black & white shirt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 WHU - 12 games - 1 goal - injured for 3 months. LFC - 44 games - 6 goals - injured for 2 months? A player who is unable to adapt to our playing style so you need to adapt the team's playing style to his limited strengths. A hinderance that could have cost us more points and slow the progression of adapting to BR's model. I think you could have still started making the progression of adapting to BR's model. Carroll would have been a good plan B for when things weren't working. Change things around and give the opposition a different sort of threat to worry about in the last 20 minutes for example. For goodness sake, you paid over 30m for the guy, and now you are saying not that he wouldn't improve the team, but that his mere presence makes the team worse. One h3ll of a buy eh. I would have to agree with your last point Rix, the only positive is perhaps he will do well for West Ham and get games (outside of injuries) and we can sell and recoup some money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfieconn Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Quiet on here again, always plenty to say apart from when they lose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 We were <deleted> oh and we got a penalty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longstebe Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 I Dont think we were that bad to be honest, Stoke took there chances and we paid the price. Sent from my Nexus S using Thaivisa Connect App Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 (edited) I Dont think we were that bad to be honest, Stoke took there chances and we paid the price. Sent from my Nexus S using Thaivisa Connect App I think we all knew it was going to be a tough game but im getting sick of the silly mistakes we seem to make. And thought BR got the tactics wrong for this one. Edited December 27, 2012 by Devil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmine Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 I think squad depth is a bigger issue than the striker situation has been. Over thirty games played already with the europa and FA cup kicking, cold icey jan/feb weather, in it will only add more strain on the team. The younger players are already looking fatigued as to be expected and with Gerrard having to play almost every game you will not be getting the best out of him either and that withstanding an injury. Very irresponsible of your owners to leave Rodgers in such a difficult situation. Its going to be a very long season no matter what happens in the january window. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 I think squad depth is a bigger issue than the striker situation has been. Over thirty games played already with the europa and FA cup kicking, cold icey jan/feb weather, in it will only add more strain on the team. The younger players are already looking fatigued as to be expected and with Gerrard having to play almost every game you will not be getting the best out of him either and that withstanding an injury. Very irresponsible of your owners to leave Rodgers in such a difficult situation. Its going to be a very long season no matter what happens in the january window. Pressure will be on if we dont get a result against QPR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmine Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 I think squad depth is a bigger issue than the striker situation has been. Over thirty games played already with the europa and FA cup kicking, cold icey jan/feb weather, in it will only add more strain on the team. The younger players are already looking fatigued as to be expected and with Gerrard having to play almost every game you will not be getting the best out of him either and that withstanding an injury. Very irresponsible of your owners to leave Rodgers in such a difficult situation. Its going to be a very long season no matter what happens in the january window. Pressure will be on if we dont get a result against QPR. Yes it will be but what does FSG expect. You have to assume they understand the necessities of depth being as they were already owners of Red Sox. Then you have to assume that they know about the winter weather taking its toll every year and the need to rotate. Henry and Werner should be under pressure not the manager imo. There could be six clubs slogging out a relegation battle come february and it will be all too easy to get dragged into it. Liverpool must not get injuries to their back four. Thats vital because Lucas looks knackered and will not be able to offer the cover he has done in the past. Agger is probably one of the top three center backs in the world right now but if he and "can't spell his name" get crocked theres only Coates as cover and he's really still one for the future. Allen looks like he needs a rest too and so it goes on but the facts are , fatigue at this level and after so many games is to be expected and i'm sure BR would have made that very clear to the owners. So yes, the owners should be under pressure and should be looking to make a statement in january if they are genuine and i don't for one moment think they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rott Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Thought the deals for Ince and Sturridge were as good as done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmine Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Thought the deals for Ince and Sturridge were as good as done. i think Sturridge is, but regardless, that doesn't turn it into a strong squad does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellyp Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Buit still really want somebody in the box all game to poach and head in goals You mean like Carroll? The decision to loan him out hasn't started making more sense with the passing of time, has it... although i guess now he's injured we can pretend we all knew that was going to happen... Seems like a similar cock up with Ince. Get shot of him for a few pennies and now trying to buy him back at a ten-fold increase or something like that. Heads should be rolling surely... No. I mean nothing of the sort. If I wanted to replace Carroll it would not have been with a similar player, i want somebody to purely score goals, not fight for the ball or be a target man. Just to pick up the pieces and squirm the ball into the net. I don't know what to make of Ince, I've not see enough to judge. Talking of heads rolling, sometimes you make me laugh my head off, or at least shake it a few times You were lamenting the lack of a goal scorer at Liverpool who can poach goals and head them in, i was agreeing your lack of options in this department and reiterating sentiments expressed many times before, about the stupidity of loaning out Carroll and how he is just such a player who could be doing that sort of job for the club, especially since you paid so much for him , and your reaction to this is to laugh and shake your head... hmmm... i can only imagine you must be having one of those "Liverpool way" moments... Let's clear this up, Carroll is not the kind of player I am talking about, maybe he would have scored goals and I cannot disagree with the money spent, but he is not what we need. You seem to feel I am having a go at you, but relax mate I wasn't., But why do you insist on dragging up this Liverpool way thing again, it is this kind of thing that makes me laugh and shake my head, not the footballing comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmine Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 To be fair Nelly the "Liverpool Way" stuff is something we all laugh at and shake our heads! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellyp Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 To be fair Nelly the "Liverpool Way" stuff is something we all laugh at and shake our heads! Yeah I know, sometimes we can make ourselves sound like idiots, preaching about something that nobody can quantify as being different to other clubs. Maybe in the past but not now. Different times, different needs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixalex Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) Let's clear this up, Carroll is not the kind of player I am talking about, maybe he would have scored goals and I cannot disagree with the money spent, but he is not what we need. I understand what you are saying. He's not a perfect fit for team for the direction you want to be going in. But what is it they say about beggars? I just think when you are lacking attacking options to the ridiculous extent that Liverpool is, and when you have on your books a striker who you not more then a year or two ago spent over 30m on, be him a perfect fit or not, you can't afford to have him playing somewhere else. It's madness that he is. Edited December 28, 2012 by rixalex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimjim Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 At this point, halfway through, we are worse off than last season. Someone else can check, but I think it was 32 points to 25, now. But last season we went on a really bad run the last 19 games so hopefully we won't do that this season. The worst was 6 losses out of 7 in the league. Hopefully won't return to that! Same up and down form so far this season compared to last. Last 6 in league is 3 wins, 3 losses. We need to give this manager time now that he's here, though. Been a frustrating year other than getting a trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmine Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 At this point, halfway through, we are worse off than last season. Someone else can check, but I think it was 32 points to 25, now. But last season we went on a really bad run the last 19 games so hopefully we won't do that this season. The worst was 6 losses out of 7 in the league. Hopefully won't return to that! Same up and down form so far this season compared to last. Last 6 in league is 3 wins, 3 losses. We need to give this manager time now that he's here, though. Been a frustrating year other than getting a trophy. The responsibility is now with the owners not the manager. You squad is weak and fatigued but the real damage to squads regards fatigue and injuries really takes its toll after the winter months. Henry has to strengthen because if you are dealt a cruel hand with injuries in jan/feb things could get very difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangrakBob Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 I'm reading rumours regarding Franco Di Santo coming in....another Chelsea reject who can't even get a game at Wigan Liverpool Football Club, 1892-2012, cause of death, skullduggery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Agree with the comments regarding management....better than the last lot but no Merseyside lovers amongst them. Time for you lot to buy your club....where are the unionists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uptheos Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 I'm reading rumours regarding Franco Di Santo coming in....another Chelsea reject who can't even get a game at Wigan Liverpool Football Club, 1892-2012, cause of death, skullduggery I wouldn't worry about who is coming, I'd be more concerned at the possibility of Suarez leaving! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRed Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Agree with the comments regarding management....better than the last lot but no Merseyside lovers amongst them. Time for you lot to buy your club....where are the unionists? They are all on the dole or in Thailand without a pot to piss in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Agree with the comments regarding management....better than the last lot but no Merseyside lovers amongst them. Time for you lot to buy your club....where are the unionists? They are all on the dole or in Thailand without a pot to piss in Tsk tsk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangrakBob Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 I'm reading rumours regarding Franco Di Santo coming in....another Chelsea reject who can't even get a game at Wigan Liverpool Football Club, 1892-2012, cause of death, skullduggery I wouldn't worry about who is coming, I'd be more concerned at the possibility of Suarez leaving! Heard City are sniffing about again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRed Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 ^sniffling more like 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharecropper Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Gobby Bren has said LFC won't be buying big in January, although that useless wage-king Sturridge seems to be Liverpool-bound, (which will make me happy, to see 12 million LFC quid get wasted on him). Thought this was an interesting article - although who let Ince go for 250K? To buy him back for 6m would be a very poor reflection on the club's wheeling and dealing. http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine/features/121230/five-transfer-bargains-liverpool-could-consider-january-188150?p=2 Anyone hazard a guess when Bren will be off? I think when Suarez hands in his transfer request at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRed Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Suarez is going to Barcelona so i have heard..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangrakBob Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Suarez is going to Barcelona so i have heard..... Ya mate Messi been round for a brew and a chinwag then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRed Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Suarez is going to Barcelona so i have heard..... Ya mate Messi been round for a brew and a chinwag then? I speak to him every day 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellyp Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Let's clear this up, Carroll is not the kind of player I am talking about, maybe he would have scored goals and I cannot disagree with the money spent, but he is not what we need. I understand what you are saying. He's not a perfect fit for team for the direction you want to be going in. But what is it they say about beggars? I just think when you are lacking attacking options to the ridiculous extent that Liverpool is, and when you have on your books a striker who you not more then a year or two ago spent over 30m on, be him a perfect fit or not, you can't afford to have him playing somewhere else. It's madness that he is. True enough mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellyp Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Suarez is going to Barcelona so i have heard..... Why not, nice enough place for a holiday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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