Kentucky: Boy, 5, Accidentally Kills Sister With His Own Gun

[steve down under]

In my childhood the only sort of gun available was either a cap gun or one of those plastic space ray guns that made sparks when you pulled the trigger infinitely safer and a lot less deadly I dont recall ever killing anyone with either !

[cheeryble]

We do not allow children to drive cars, but sometimes they do it anyway and no one suggests banning driving. Those that take advantage of such rare and unfortunate accidents to push a particular agenda should be ashamed.

Ashamed?

Are you out of your mind?

It's an agenda to want to save the lives of children we know 100% are going to be lost....as opposed to not lost.....right?

(obviously not including the 3500 kids each year who only get a bullet through the leg head hand eye whatever without dying.)

Edited May 2, 2013 by cheeryble

[Jdietz]

We do not allow children to drive cars, but sometimes they do it anyway and no one suggests banning driving. Those that take advantage of such rare and unfortunate accidents to push a particular agenda should be ashamed.

Silly argument and you know it.

- Driving a car as a child is forbidden by law

- Apparently no such law exists for babies having guns

- Instead there are real guns actively being marketed to children

The argument here is to forbid children owning guns. Accidents will still happen, but at least we don't have 5y olds running havoc with 'his first rifle'

[cheeryble]

In my childhood the only sort of gun available was either a cap gun or one of those plastic space ray guns that made sparks when you pulled the trigger infinitely safer and a lot less deadly I dont recall ever killing anyone with either !

I had guns occasionally available when I was young.

At the advanced age of 14 I accidentally fired a big rifle.....a Lee Enfield 303....when an instructor was adjusting it.

Stupid eh?

But stupid things happen, and especially when you're young.

Edited May 2, 2013 by cheeryble

[cheeryble]

BTW boycott Waltons.

They're so callous and disingenuous on the day of the Sandy Hook shooting they withdrew the AR15 assault rifle from their website.

Without withdrawing it from sale at their stores.

[GentlemanJim]

In my childhood the only sort of gun available was either a cap gun or one of those plastic space ray guns that made sparks when you pulled the trigger infinitely safer and a lot less deadly I dont recall ever killing anyone with either !

I had guns occasionally available when I was young.

At the advanced age of 14 I accidentally fired a big rifle.....a Lee Enfield 303....when an instructor was adjusting it.

Stupid eh?

But stupid things happen, and especially when you're young.

The stupidity was on the part of the instructor, not the 14 yr old cheerybie.

Ulysses

I don't see anyone asking for the wholesale ban of weapons here so stop being hysterical. Yes sometimes children do drive cars and it is Illegal to do so, the law says you have to be a licenced adult. The point here is it seems legal to give a 4-5 year old a lethal weapon, and that makes the law makers culpable. If you have to be 18 before you can have a <deleted>, then by God the same standard should apply at least to the owning and using of lethal weapons!

Edited May 2, 2013 by GentlemanJim

[Mosha]

The gun was stored in a corner of the trailer, loaded. <deleted> how hard can it be? Breeding should not be a right. You can't fix stupid.

[b19bry]

It still requires a background check.

Seriously, are you're saying that so long as a 4-5yr old can pass a background check it's ok for them to own/have a gun ?

[Mosha]

A 5 year old playing with a gun does not make him stupid. It makes the parents questionable, but it hardly makes a young child stupid.

Depends if you believe in breeding or nurture, I'm going with breeding.

[Maestro]

You do all intelligent Americans a disservice, you are defending the indefensible, simply because you believe it's 'American'. A 5 year old with a weapon that had not been cleared by the parents, and a weapon that was not stored in a secure area. Perhaps it will be 'God's will' that sees the 5 year old taken off the parents, and them doing a fully justified lengthy jail term.

"Just one of those crazy accidents", the coroner said. The child had an inalienable right to own and use that gun. No discrimination based on age allowed. Will the parents give that boy a machine gun when he is older and goes to school, to defend himself, seeing how dangerous schools can be?

[Maestro]

Police: 'Too early to know' about charges in death of 2-year-old shot by brother, 5

Published: May 1, 2013 Updated 6 hours ago

By Greg Kocher — [email protected]

Kentucky State Police said Wednesday it is too early to say whether charges will be filed in the case of a 5-year-old boy who accidentally shot and killed his 2-year-old sister.

Trooper Billy Gregory, spokesman for the Columbia post, initially said Wednesday that he didn't anticipate charges.

"We don't see that there was neglect on anyone's part," Gregory said.

Read more here: http://www.kentucky.com/2013/05/01/2622315/no-charges-expected-in-death-of.html#storylink=misearch#storylink=cpy

[Maestro]

The rifle manufacturere's website seems to be down at the moment:

[GentlemanJim]

Police: 'Too early to know' about charges in death of 2-year-old shot by brother, 5

Published: May 1, 2013 Updated 6 hours ago

By Greg Kocher — [email protected]

Kentucky State Police said Wednesday it is too early to say whether charges will be filed in the case of a 5-year-old boy who accidentally shot and killed his 2-year-old sister.

Trooper Billy Gregory, spokesman for the Columbia post, initially said Wednesday that he didn't anticipate charges.

"We don't see that there was neglect on anyone's part," Gregory said.

Read more here: http://www.kentucky.com/2013/05/01/2622315/no-charges-expected-in-death-of.html#storylink=misearch#storylink=cpy

A rifle made for a child with a live round in the chamber propped unsecured in the corner of a mobile home, subsequently picked up and discharged by the boy who 'owns' it, killing his sister and the coroner says it was 'just one of those crazy accidents', and a trooper says 'we don't see there was neglect on anyones part', OMG! The world has gone fracking mad.

[folium]

Police: 'Too early to know' about charges in death of 2-year-old shot by brother, 5

Published: May 1, 2013 Updated 6 hours ago

By Greg Kocher — [email protected]

Kentucky State Police said Wednesday it is too early to say whether charges will be filed in the case of a 5-year-old boy who accidentally shot and killed his 2-year-old sister.

Trooper Billy Gregory, spokesman for the Columbia post, initially said Wednesday that he didn't anticipate charges.

"We don't see that there was neglect on anyone's part," Gregory said.

Read more here: http://www.kentucky.com/2013/05/01/2622315/no-charges-expected-in-death-of.html#storylink=misearch#storylink=cpy

A rifle made for a child with a live round in the chamber propped unsecured in the corner of a mobile home, subsequently picked up and discharged by the boy who 'owns' it, killing his sister and the coroner says it was 'just one of those crazy accidents', and a trooper says 'we don't see there was neglect on anyones part', OMG! The world has gone fracking mad.

It's not the world that's gone mad, just certain bits of it...

A swift deluge of stats..

^{And if you want to read the references see below:}

http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-deaths-and-injuries-statistics/

Awful to say, but compassion fatigue re gun crime/accidents/tragedies is now complete. Second Amendment et al are fine and dandy but plenty of kids and others will needlessly die in the meantime....

Edited May 3, 2013 by SeaVisionBurma
violation of fair use policy - removed bulk of article

[Credo]

Was someone asking for compassion? I think not. Your sympathy is neither wanted nor appreciated.

[F430murci]

Police: 'Too early to know' about charges in death of 2-year-old shot by brother, 5

Published: May 1, 2013 Updated 6 hours ago

By Greg Kocher [email protected]

Kentucky State Police said Wednesday it is too early to say whether charges will be filed in the case of a 5-year-old boy who accidentally shot and killed his 2-year-old sister.

Trooper Billy Gregory, spokesman for the Columbia post, initially said Wednesday that he didn't anticipate charges.

"We don't see that there was neglect on anyone's part," Gregory said.

Read more here: http://www.kentucky.com/2013/05/01/2622315/no-charges-expected-in-death-of.html#storylink=misearch#storylink=cpy

It's Kentucky. Nuff said.

[Sayonarax]

Sad story, but guns don't kill, people do! <deleted>, time for the US to wake up and get serious about gun control.

Says the guy that earns a salary triple to that of a normal person.

[SeaVisionBurma]

Earlier post edited.

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[SeaVisionBurma]

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[PREM-R]

Police: 'Too early to know' about charges in death of 2-year-old shot by brother, 5

Published: May 1, 2013 Updated 6 hours ago

By Greg Kocher — [email protected]

"We don't see that there was neglect on anyone's part," Gregory said.

Read more here: http://www.kentucky.com/2013/05/01/2622315/no-charges-expected-in-death-of.html#storylink=misearch#storylink=cpy

My Momma always said " Stupid is as stupid does" - Forrest Gump

[Credo]

In most states, the state authorities will remove children who are being endangered. One of the things that constitutes child endangerment is children being allowed to be exposed to firearms that are not properly secured or adequately disabled.

[Chicog]

In most states, the state authorities will remove children who are being endangered. One of the things that constitutes child endangerment is children being allowed to be exposed to firearms that are not properly secured or adequately disabled.

Not in Kentucky, by the sound of it.

[Credo]

It would be up to the authorities to decide what child endangerment is and to press charges. Having a little bit of knowledge of the field, leaving a loaded gun (whether or intentional or not) would be endangerment, but it is up to the authorities to press charges. This is where local governments have a lot of control. If they decide not to pursue it, it won't happen.

[7by7]

Giving a gun to a child has got to be endangerment. if not to that child then to everyone else within the guns range; as this tragedy sadly shows.

Surely that is obvious to anyone; but not, it appears, to many Americans.

Yes, people do die in road accidents, lawn mower accidents and other accidents; but cars, lawn mowers etc. are not designed to kill people.

Whilst there are, of course, many different types of gun; the ones owned by the majority of American gun owners are designed to kill people.

In the UK, if you want to own a gun, even a competition type target gun, you must obtain either a firearms certificate or a shotgun certificate from the police, not straightforward, and show to the police that you have secure storage for it. Even your family members are not allowed keys to that storage unless they also have the appropriate firearms or shotgun certificate.

For more, see here.

Yes, there are illegal firearms held and used in the UK; but the per capita rate of gun deaths* in the UK is a fraction of that in the USA (and other countries with similarly lax gun control); 0.22 per 100,000 for the UK (5th on the list), 10.2 per 100,000 for the US (57th).

The country with the lowest rate is Japan with 0.07 deaths per 100,000. I'm sure it is no coincidence that Japanese gun control laws are amongst the tightest in the world.

Look at the countries with worse rates than the USA. Countries with even less gun control than the USA and hardly shining examples of enlightened, crime free societies.

These figures alone prove that gun controls work.

But will the USA learn?

For how much longer will Americans consider their 2nd amendment more important than the life of a child?

How many more children have to die?

(*Source for figures)

[Mosha]

"For how much longer will Americans consider their 2nd amendment more important than the life of a child?"

I think they regard it as collateral damage. Last figures I could find. over 900 under the age of 19 die every year, either by suicide, or accidents involving a parents gun. Now we have to add in the guns given by dipsticks to their toddlers.

[DocN]

Here we go again.

...and by that, you sure mean "We are outraged, disgusted and sad about this", right?!

Just to get this straight: When I was a 5 year old, I had a "My first post- office"- set.

Now I understand, that in this day and age, post offices are somewhat out, but..."My first rifle"?

Seriously?

And on top of that: a "toy" that is able to kill someone...for CHILDREN?

Yeah, yeah , yeah...I know, that toys can kill!

If you swallow them whole or stuff like that.

But another GUN just did, what GUNS are supposed to do!

Thank you, USA...for producing one of the most sickening headlines and news- stories EVER!

A 5year old shoots his 2year old sister with his OWN GUN!

[chuckd]

To quote myself..."Here we go again".

[lomatopo]

Guns don't kill 2 year olds, 5 year olds with guns kill 2 year olds.

Don't you just love the cute cartoon character used to market the "Crickett: My First Rifle" ("Quality Firearms for America's Youth, Made in the USA").

Bring back Joe Camel.

http://www.crickett.com/

[GentlemanJim]

To quote myself..."Here we go again".

Chukd

Your comment really does belittle the gravity and seriousness of the incident. Isn't there anything that would make even the pro Gun lobby hang their heads and say 'interpretation of constitution or not, this is plain wrong and SO easily avoidable.

[kblaze]

Steely Dan had it right when he said "you cant legislate away stupid"

Its true.

In Thailand, in the UK, in the US, every-f******-where, kids die because of stupid choices made by stupid parents.

This IS a case of stupid parents. This shouldn't even be a headline in the news. Kids die everywhere from accidents and this is an accident. Why is it in the news? Because it gets clicks and fuels the fire.

Ulyssus statement about banning cars is not as crazy as you guys make it seem. Cars are allowed to be driven once one reaches a certain age and passes a test. In essence, cars are restricted from people deemed unable to handle them. Age, imo, should be (and is) the primary restriction with gun sales, as guns are something that kids are unable to handle properly unsupervised. Should parents be allowed to shoot guns WITH their kids, imo, absolutely. But that carries great responsibility, and if a parent doesn't have that responsibility, that natural instinct to keep their kid safe, then there is no one to blame but themselves.

I grew up in a place where I would guess 90% of households had multiple guns. All my best friends parents had rifles and shotguns, my parents included. There was a commonality among these people; the guns were in gun safes. We never even thought about trying to open the gun safes because it would be, as little kids aptly sum up, "big trouble". Strangely, in the 18 years growing up in that community, there was only one gun accident I can remember; a kid at my elementary school got hit by a couple pellets from a sawed-off shotgun that a neighbor had fired. Apparently they went through the target the neighbor had set up. The kid went to school the next day, he was ok.

So again, 18 years in a community filled with kids and guns, and yes we were shooting them, with fathers when we were young, and then by ourselves when we were 16 yrs ++, and 1 ACCIDENT. Why? PROPER PARENTING.