Constitutional Court Decides To Review Abhisit's M P Status

[cougar52]

So why is Mr. T still trying to get back into the country he should never be allowed to become a MP or the PM again if this is the LAW.

Article 102 (6) states that an MP must not "have been expelled,

dismissed or removed from official service, a state agency or a state

enterprise on the grounds of dishonest performance of duties or

corruption".

[smedly]

you know what

I sat and looked and looked at the reply box on TV for maybe 1 minute and still couldn't think of something to say that was appropriate to this story

all I can come up with is "Hilarious" does that word sum up this thread - this government - Thai politics - just this whole society in general or is there a mixture of sadness ......that's it "Hilarious Sadness"

These people need steering

[GeorgeO]

The court was requested by 134 Pheu Thai MPs...

Funny, I thought they had decided to ignore the CC a couple days ago.

Yes, it seems that the Constitutional Court has some use for certain issues, but not others.

I take it the demonstrations and blockade ceased for a while so that the petition could be delivered ...(?)

[Thai at Heart]

I do find it quite ironic that they may end up getting him on this.

They finally got Thaskin for his missus buying some land against parliamentary law, and now they are going to get Abhisit on something that just about EVERY wealthy Thai manages to do. But it does go to the root problem of what goes on in the country, in that there is a part of society here that can manipulate the rules to their advantage to get out of their legal obligations.

I can understand that a kid from education overseas would look at the whole concept of conscription and think it to be a waste of time, but rules is rules. I have had two friends one Korean and another Turkish who tried to get out of their service only to be nabbed later on. It is I think I great leveller that essentially no one can get out of it.

[chooka]

So why is Mr. T still trying to get back into the country he should never be allowed to become a MP or the PM again if this is the LAW.

Article 102 (6) states that an MP must not "have been expelled,

dismissed or removed from official service, a state agency or a state

enterprise on the grounds of dishonest performance of duties or

corruption".

So does a coup count as an expulsion?

[473geo]

It would appear article 102 (6) indicates Abhisit may have contributed to his own position, can't see what the Tvisa bitching is about, you know guys 'checks and balances' how could PTP fail to address or accept this opportunity so kindly provided by their opposition.

[Chris Lawrence]

Don't you just love this brand of Politics. Now didn't MR A give Mr T a hard time? So the downside is Mr A is getting the big A! Chickens have to roost somewhere?

[jcb2001]

so on the one side PTP have said they do not recognize the authority of the constitutional court reference the constitutional amendment and ordered their brown sorry red shirts mob to get judges dismissed. But now all is good because they are after Abhisit even though the rank dismissal is still pending court action... super

Just watch what happens if the court rules in Abhisit's favour.

+1 a petty move to get AV out of the picture so Thaksin can come back without hinderance.

[indyuk]

Oh, come on children; the country needs some governance - leave all that rubbish in the playground.

AV used the 'wrong form' to gain deferment of military service; like a few used the wrong for to pay for Master's Degrees.

It's about time the Thai voters found you all out - all of you, I'm not taking sides

Wrong that is only part of his problems. One needs to consider Khun Abhisit's alleged fraud and various other misdomeanors as we are so often reminded in respect to our debates about Taksin's reconcilliation.

[Thai at Heart]

so on the one side PTP have said they do not recognize the authority of the constitutional court reference the constitutional amendment and ordered their brown sorry red shirts mob to get judges dismissed. But now all is good because they are after Abhisit even though the rank dismissal is still pending court action... super

Just watch what happens if the court rules in Abhisit's favour.

+1 a petty move to get AV out of the picture so Thaksin can come back without hinderance.

I don't consider it to be a petty thing. Diddling your national service to get yourself a lecturing job, is pretty low. Of course, he isn't the only one who has ever done it, but then not everyone wanted to be Prime Minister. One could actually consider this to be a National Security risk. He would be very open to coercion in a political position in order to hide such an issue.

[rubl]

So, k. Abhisit's behaviour was incorrect, 'the deed' dishonest, a 'violation', 'considered' and 'fired'. Following we have 'Sukumpol alleged'.

Clearly for all to see and very obvious guilty as charged, hang 'm high, Abhisit that is. More details and proof at a later stage, when and if required, assuming someone asks, allegedly that is.

[473geo]

So, k. Abhisit's behaviour was incorrect, 'the deed' dishonest, a 'violation', 'considered' and 'fired'. Following we have 'Sukumpol alleged'.

Clearly for all to see and very obvious guilty as charged, hang 'm high, Abhisit that is. More details and proof at a later stage, when and if required, assuming someone asks, allegedly that is.

I would suggest the balanced, impartial, judicial system in Thailand will ask the relevant questions and deliver their verdict Rubl, applying Thai law to the letter of course

Edited May 17, 2013 by 473geo

[rubl]

^geo:

Thank you very much for your support, but no need to suggest. Obviously the Thai judicial system will ask the relevant questions just as obviously the parties involved will have the (right?) answers.

[Just1Voice]

I'm not Thai, so all the things that go on here with politics, etc., is simply a form of daily amusement for me. But, that doesn't mean I don't have opinions.

Abisit - I actually think that deep down he really does want to be a good man, and do what's right in most things. However, he's trapped and shackled in the political quagmire known as the Democratic party. I also think that when he was PM, there were certain things he was told he could/could not do by the "invisible hand", along with the military who, realistically, put him in office.

However, going back to some of the original articles in regards to his military posting, it was shown that some of the documents he used to avoid military and obtain the teaching position had clearly been forged. True or not, I'm not sure, but if so, then I agree he should be stripped of his rank, as well as any other legal repercussions that go along with it. It was also shown that of the 300 days for which he was required to teach, in all but about a dozen, he was absent, off doing "other duties". Okay, that doesn't look so good.

Yingluck - Anyone who doesn't know in their hearts that she's her brother's puppet is living in a fantasy world. The best thing she could have done would be what Newin did when he called T and said: "Sorry, Boss, but it's over." Yes, he did it for political reasons, no doubt, but if she had done that, and made it public that she was her "own woman", and not his puppet, it would have increased her stature tremendously. But we know that will never happen. She has her good points, and is loved by the PTP followers - "Yingluck - Yinglike - Yinglove" - but the bottom line is that she is just another cog in the mechanisms of the Thaksin political machine. One to be used, and when the time is right, gracefully moved to the side to allow for another to take her place. Like her older sister.

Thaksin - No denying his business acumen, or his intelligence. But he's also obsessed with himself, possessing an ego that would, if in physical form, be a tight fit for any major football stadium. It's my feeling that one of his "long range goals" is not to become a "dictator", as that would be too blatant, but wait until "Father" dies, and then push for Thailand to become a "Republic". I could be wrong on this one, but that's my gut feeling. Interesting fact is that many, if not most, think the U.S. is a Democracy, when it actuality it is a Republic. If you aren't sure of the differences, Google "types of governments" and it will explain.

Thailand - A country that was once the Diamond in the mud fields of S.E. Asia, but which is, and has, become little more than a Cubic Zirconia. Their neighbors are quickly catching up, and even surpassing them in many area due to the mentality of "Thainess" that is ingrained into them from birth to believe they are the "superior race". They have lost their #1 ranking in rice exports, and will never see that again, and my guess is that within 5 years they are going to see a serious decline in tourism, especially in the resort areas. Why? In a word - Myanmar.

The current government of Myanmar saw their tourism number leap after the elections. They also realized they had neither the facilities (hotels, restaurants, etc.) to handle this, or the people capable of developing the infrastructure needed. Unlike the "Proud Thai", they had no problem contracting with a Dutch company to plan and develop what would be needed. Also, one third of the country's total land mass is on the Adaman Sea and Bay of Bengal, and it's totally undeveloped. Once they star twith the hotels and resorts along that, and can avoid the problems of the tuk-tuk and taxi mafias, and the 2-3 tier pricing that is "law" here, they will destroy the Thai tourism industry. Naturally, the Thai will blame the foreigners, and never once accept any responsibility for their losses. But, not to worry, they will simply increase prices in an effort to gouge even more out of those who will still come, instead of being competitive and cleaning up their act.

So, agree or not, and it really doesn't matter to me, that's my 2 stangs worth.

[khunken]

I would think that the CC should be able to spot the kangaroo court type of 'justice' served up by an appointed committee of the DoD by the defence minister under Thaksin's thumb.

Hypocrisy never bothered the PTP or Thaksin over the courts here. PTP: boycott the CC but use when convenient. Thaksin: biased criminal court but file (defamation) cases when convenient.

Democracy takes another step backwards in Thailand.

[Chrisswe]

Good, he's only a Military "poppy"

[Thai at Heart]

I would think that the CC should be able to spot the kangaroo court type of 'justice' served up by an appointed committee of the DoD by the defence minister under Thaksin's thumb.

Hypocrisy never bothered the PTP or Thaksin over the courts here. PTP: boycott the CC but use when convenient. Thaksin: biased criminal court but file (defamation) cases when convenient.

Democracy takes another step backwards in Thailand.

Well you say that, but using a doctored document to access a civil service position is a pretty serious issue.

He should have just done the right thing and paid his money not to go to national service. But then he would never have been able to enter to lecture at all.

Seems like pretty clear fraud to me.

[rubl]

Doctored document? Knowingly?

Till now we only have word of mouth and a MoD Sukumpol alleging. Seems pretty much a sentence before the trial to me

[Baerboxer]

The court was requested by 134 Pheu Thai MPs...

Funny, I thought they had decided to ignore the CC a couple days ago.

Only when it suits them! They want a CC that's as obedient as the DSI.

[Mosha]

I've a suggestion for the government. Concentrate on what needs fixing. 2 4 hour power cuts in 2 days. Strange, but during last months crisis, the power stayed on.

[EyesWideOpen]

There is a great Cambodian saying. It says when elephants fight, only the ants die..... Reminds me of Thai politics. While the Thai politicians are fighting at the feeding trough, it is the Thai people who are suffering and dying.

Besides I thought there was some sort of unwritten rule about this type of fighting. Since every Thai politician is so crooked they will have to be screwed into the ground when they die, it seemed like the rule was not to be pointing the finger at other politicians for wrong doing, lest the light of truth be turned around at the person pointing the finger. Oh well, it certainly does make for amusing reading on TV.... :-)

Edited May 17, 2013 by EyesWideOpen

[waza]

The double standards of the PTP government are breath taking..........

"Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung, meanwhile, said he could not comment on the case because he had not seen documents from the Defence Ministry yet. Chalerm added that the case of former PM Thaksin Shinawatra - whose police rank of lieutenant colonel the opposition wants revoked because he is a fugitive - was different from that of Abhisit. The deputy PM said he would never strip Thaksin of his rank, but would instead promote him to become a general."

[Baerboxer]

The double standards of the PTP government are breath taking..........

"Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung, meanwhile, said he could not comment on the case because he had not seen documents from the Defence Ministry yet. Chalerm added that the case of former PM Thaksin Shinawatra - whose police rank of lieutenant colonel the opposition wants revoked because he is a fugitive - was different from that of Abhisit. The deputy PM said he would never strip Thaksin of his rank, but would instead promote him to become a general."

Chalerm is correct. It is different. Abhisit has not been convicted by a court yet, just had his rank stripped by a Thaksin appointed puppet. Thaksin on the other hand is a convicted criminal fugitive, running from a jail sentence imposed by a court of law, and with outstanding addtional charges. Hardly the same.

How many police forces in the world would allow someone like this to remain a senior officer? Thailand is certainly unique in many ways.

[oldsailor35]

Funny, considering he is most likely the only one with real education and skills to be articulate in 2 languages.

Yes and i have much respect for him, however i just cannot understand why he lets the corrupt old Suthep manipulate him. Ever watched them together ? Suthep is constantly leaning over and whispering into his ear.

[oldsailor35]

Oh, come on children; the country needs some governance - leave all that rubbish in the playground.

AV used the 'wrong form' to gain deferment of military service; like a few used the wrong for to pay for Master's Degrees.

It's about time the Thai voters found you all out - all of you, I'm not taking sides

By now everyone should know that Pheu Thai is not interested in governing the country. They are only interested to bring Mr. T back

ere we go again, another successful brainwash job !

[Sing_Sling]

The only thing more pathetic than these petty witch-hunts, is the red supporters' inability to see these tactics for what they are.

But I guess in politics the old saying holds true: If you throw enough s••t agaist the wall, eventually some of it will stick.

What amazes and amuses me is the one-eyed view that so many foreigners here have . . . as though it is actually difficult to see that BOTH sides are as bad as one another when it comes to putting the needs of the country first, the whole country.

[rubl]

Oh, come on children; the country needs some governance - leave all that rubbish in the playground.

AV used the 'wrong form' to gain deferment of military service; like a few used the wrong for to pay for Master's Degrees.

It's about time the Thai voters found you all out - all of you, I'm not taking sides

By now everyone should know that Pheu Thai is not interested in governing the country. They are only interested to bring Mr. T back

ere we go again, another successful brainwash job !

Plus get k. Thaksin his THB 46 billion back, allegedly of course assuming the brainwashing had effect.

"Another source in the ruling party said Pheu Thai was using Chalerm as a means to test public sentiment with his amnesty bill that would bring former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra home and return his assets of Bt46 billion."

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/640483-jatuporn-set-for-cabinet/

[waza]

The only thing more pathetic than these petty witch-hunts, is the red supporters' inability to see these tactics for what they are.

But I guess in politics the old saying holds true: If you throw enough s••t agaist the wall, eventually some of it will stick.

What amazes and amuses me is the one-eyed view that so many foreigners here have . . . as though it is actually difficult to see that BOTH sides are as bad as one another when it comes to putting the needs of the country first, the whole country.

Or maybe its just that one side of the political spectrum is in power and displaying some of the worst corrupt practices seen in Thailand for decades

[Sing_Sling]

The only thing more pathetic than these petty witch-hunts, is the red supporters' inability to see these tactics for what they are.

But I guess in politics the old saying holds true: If you throw enough s••t agaist the wall, eventually some of it will stick.

What amazes and amuses me is the one-eyed view that so many foreigners here have . . . as though it is actually difficult to see that BOTH sides are as bad as one another when it comes to putting the needs of the country first, the whole country.

Or maybe its just that one side of the political spectrum is in power and displaying some of the worst corrupt practices seen in Thailand for decades

The rhetoric wasn't any different under the last one . . .