Pheu Thai Demands Apologies From Democrat Leaders

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Pheu Thai demands apologies from Democrat leaders
The Nation


Families of those who were killed in the 2010 red-shirt riots hold photos of their loved ones. More than 10,000 supporters of the movement converged at the Ratchaprasong intersection yesterday to commemorate the third anniversary of crackdown.

BANGKOK: -- The ruling Pheu Thai Party yesterday demanded that opposition and Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva and Democrat MP Suthep Thaugsuban apologise to the families of those killed and injured in the 2010 red-shirt riots.

More than 10,000 red shirts from different parts of the country converged at the Ratchaprasong intersection to commemorate the third anniversary of the event. The area was off limits to traffic from the Ratchaprasong intersection to the Pratunam intersection. CentralWorld and Zen also closed their operations from afternoon yesterday. A huge stage was erected on the street outside CentralWorld.

Pheu Thai Party deputy leader Anusorn Iamsa-ard said Abhisit and Suthep owed the red shirts a long-overdue apology because they had ordered security officials to use real bullets to shoot at the protesters during the crowd-control operation. Pheu Thai would join the red shirts to commemorate "democracy fighters", who sacrificed their life during the 2010 rallies.

Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung expressed confidence there would not be any violence during the red-shirt rally anniversary, which he said was held symbolically.

PM's secretary-general Suranand Vejjajiva said Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra was not concerned about the rally as it was appropriate for the red shirts to remember those who were killed and demand justice for people affected by the incident.

Meanwhile, 68-year-old Khaiki Wongrasri, a Sakhon Nakhon resident, was found dead at a security box near Wat Pathum Wanaram early yesterday morning, police said.

Thongdee Mainoi, a relative of Khaiki said they came by a bus from Sakhon Nakhon to join the third anniversary and arrived at Wat Pathum Wanaram. Khaiki persuaded her to come with her to the toilet but on the way she said she was tired and wanted to sit and rest for a while; but she collapsed and stopped breathing.

Police suspected the woman was exhausted by the long journey coupled with the fact that she had been suffering from illnesses. Her body would be sent for autopsy to the Police General Hospital.


-- The Nation 2013-05-20

[Robby nz]

A few questions:

Were there 100k people there?

Who made that estimate?

Did anyone think of demanding Thaksin's apologies for all the deaths and destruction caused by the riots he instigated?

Were the families of the soldiers killed by the rioters there?

Was the family of the lady killed in the sky train station attack there?

RIP to the lady who died.

Another martyr to the greed and selfishness of the coward sitting in his air con luxury in Dubai while these fools sweat and die for him.

[Rich teacher]

A few questions:

Were there 100k people there?

Who made that estimate?

Did anyone think of demanding Thaksin's apologies for all the deaths and destruction caused by the riots he instigated?

Were the families of the soldiers killed by the rioters there?

Was the family of the lady killed in the sky train station attack there?

RIP to the lady who died.

Another martyr to the greed and selfishness of the coward sitting in his air con luxury in Dubai while these fools sweat and die for him.

The court has already ruled that soldiers (& therefore AV/ST) were responsible for some of the red shirt deaths. I haven't seen any court ruling saying Thaksin was responsible for deaths, or any rulings on who killed the soldiers or the lady at the sky train. I guess until they do your comments can be written off as biased speculation.

[jonclark]

A few questions:

Were there 100k people there?

Who made that estimate?

Did anyone think of demanding Thaksin's apologies for all the deaths and destruction caused by the riots he instigated?

Were the families of the soldiers killed by the rioters there?

Was the family of the lady killed in the sky train station attack there?

RIP to the lady who died.

Another martyr to the greed and selfishness of the coward sitting in his air con luxury in Dubai while these fools sweat and die for him.

The court has already ruled that soldiers (& therefore AV/ST) were responsible for some of the red shirt deaths. I haven't seen any court ruling saying Thaksin was responsible for deaths, or any rulings on who killed the soldiers or the lady at the sky train. I guess until they do your comments can be written off as biased speculation.

As far as i was aware the court ruled that the shooters were unidentified

" On 26 Nov, the Criminal Court ruled that the death of Charnnarong Polsrila had been caused by security officers during the crackdown on red shirts in May 2010.

The red-shirt taxi driver was shot and killed in front of a gas station on Ratchaprarop Rd on the afternoon of 15 May 2010.

The court said that he was killed by a .223 calibre bullet shot from a machine gun, but the shooter could not be identified.

This is the second court ruling in a series of inquests into the deaths of red shirts believed to have been killed by authorities during the 2010 crackdown. In the first case of Phan Khamkong on 17 Sept, the court gave a similar ruling."

Source - Prachatai Newspaper

[whybother]

The court has already ruled that soldiers (& therefore AV/ST) were responsible for some of the red shirt deaths. I haven't seen any court ruling saying Thaksin was responsible for deaths, or any rulings on who killed the soldiers or the lady at the sky train. I guess until they do your comments can be written off as biased speculation.

A protester has been arrested for shooting grenades at the skytrain.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2010-12/22/c_13660270.htm

[bigbamboo]

A few questions:

Were there 100k people there?

Who made that estimate?

Did anyone think of demanding Thaksin's apologies for all the deaths and destruction caused by the riots he instigated?

Were the families of the soldiers killed by the rioters there?

Was the family of the lady killed in the sky train station attack there?

RIP to the lady who died.

Another martyr to the greed and selfishness of the coward sitting in his air con luxury in Dubai while these fools sweat and die for him.

The court has already ruled that soldiers (& therefore AV/ST) were responsible for some of the red shirt deaths. I haven't seen any court ruling saying Thaksin was responsible for deaths, or any rulings on who killed the soldiers or the lady at the sky train. I guess until they do your comments can be written off as biased speculation.

Abhisit has already expressed regret at the deaths resulting from the actions of the army. Unfortunately if the police had done their duty the army's presence would not have been necessary. Of course if PT's leader had not incited the riots there would have been no deaths in the first place. He too should accept his share of the blame as Abhisit has done.

[tominbkk]

RIP to the terrorists who died. War is hell.

Edited May 20, 2013 by tominbkk

[Fred B]

The court has already ruled that soldiers (& therefore AV/ST) were responsible for some of the red shirt deaths. I haven't seen any court ruling saying Thaksin was responsible for deaths

I guess until they do your comments can be written off as biased speculation.

You also haven't seen any court ruling that "AV/ST" were responsible for some of the red shirt deaths.

I guess until they do your comments can be written off as biased speculation.

[soi41]

A few questions:

Were there 100k people there?

Who made that estimate?

Did anyone think of demanding Thaksin's apologies for all the deaths and destruction caused by the riots he instigated?

Were the families of the soldiers killed by the rioters there?

Was the family of the lady killed in the sky train station attack there?

RIP to the lady who died.

Another martyr to the greed and selfishness of the coward sitting in his air con luxury in Dubai while these fools sweat and die for him.

The court has already ruled that soldiers (& therefore AV/ST) were responsible for some of the red shirt deaths. I haven't seen any court ruling saying Thaksin was responsible for deaths, or any rulings on who killed the soldiers or the lady at the sky train. I guess until they do your comments can be written off as biased speculation.

Isn't that sweet?? Mr T has a farang friend.

Would like to hear the same friend find excuses for the Tak Bai and Krung Se "incidents". Not to mention the heros "war on drugs".

[moe666]

o good RT is back and now we will have the full unbiased accounts of what happened in 2010

[clifric]

Of course the red shirt leaders who turned down AV's offer to hold an election had nothing to do with the ensuing riots did they? Although I must say I understood that Veera wanted to reach a peaceful solution and seemingly was moved to an 'inactive post'

[geriatrickid]

A few questions:

Were there 100k people there?

Who made that estimate?

Did anyone think of demanding Thaksin's apologies for all the deaths and destruction caused by the riots he instigated?

Were the families of the soldiers killed by the rioters there?

Was the family of the lady killed in the sky train station attack there?

RIP to the lady who died.

Another martyr to the greed and selfishness of the coward sitting in his air con luxury in Dubai while these fools sweat and die for him.

The court has already ruled that soldiers (& therefore AV/ST) were responsible for some of the red shirt deaths. I haven't seen any court ruling saying Thaksin was responsible for deaths, or any rulings on who killed the soldiers or the lady at the sky train. I guess until they do your comments can be written off as biased speculation.

Abhisit has already expressed regret at the deaths resulting from the actions of the army. Unfortunately if the police had done their duty the army's presence would not have been necessary. Of course if PT's leader had not incited the riots there would have been no deaths in the first place. He too should accept his share of the blame as Abhisit has done.

With your logic it can be said that had the army been allowed to continue with its strategy of containment and quarantine, the situation may have had a different outcome. You seem to forget that some groups wanted a faster resolution and this resulted in the army commanding officers being relieved of their positions and replaced by Queens Guards units. The army had done a fairly decent job in keeping the situation calm and fairly non violent. The violence only reached its apex as the Queen Guard units went on the offensive. Up until them, the army had the protestors contained. Had the original plan been followed, the supply lines would have been cut and slowly but surely, the leaders taken into custody. The PM was in panic mode and was under pressure from forces upon who's support he needed to remain in power. As much as I would like to blame Abhisit, the man was not in charge.

[chainarong]

Well apologies all around , has anyone apologized to the burning down of the city block , for the inconvenience of ordinary citizens going about their right to work and freedom of movement, the disgusting performance of the speakers for the red shirts, inciting hatred and last but not least apologise to the good people of Thailand for bringing their country into disrepute to the rest of the world.

[whybother]

With your logic it can be said that had the army been allowed to continue with its strategy of containment and quarantine, the situation may have had a different outcome. You seem to forget that some groups wanted a faster resolution and this resulted in the army commanding officers being relieved of their positions and replaced by Queens Guards units. The army had done a fairly decent job in keeping the situation calm and fairly non violent. The violence only reached its apex as the Queen Guard units went on the offensive. Up until them, the army had the protestors contained. Had the original plan been followed, the supply lines would have been cut and slowly but surely, the leaders taken into custody. The PM was in panic mode and was under pressure from forces upon who's support he needed to remain in power. As much as I would like to blame Abhisit, the man was not in charge.

.

Calm and non-violent ... except for storming parliament and Thaicom and using molotov cocktails ...

[jonclark]

A few questions:

Were there 100k people there?

Who made that estimate?

Did anyone think of demanding Thaksin's apologies for all the deaths and destruction caused by the riots he instigated?

Were the families of the soldiers killed by the rioters there?

Was the family of the lady killed in the sky train station attack there?

RIP to the lady who died.

Another martyr to the greed and selfishness of the coward sitting in his air con luxury in Dubai while these fools sweat and die for him.

The court has already ruled that soldiers (& therefore AV/ST) were responsible for some of the red shirt deaths. I haven't seen any court ruling saying Thaksin was responsible for deaths, or any rulings on who killed the soldiers or the lady at the sky train. I guess until they do your comments can be written off as biased speculation.

Abhisit has already expressed regret at the deaths resulting from the actions of the army. Unfortunately if the police had done their duty the army's presence would not have been necessary. Of course if PT's leader had not incited the riots there would have been no deaths in the first place. He too should accept his share of the blame as Abhisit has done.

With your logic it can be said that had the army been allowed to continue with its strategy of containment and quarantine, the situation may have had a different outcome. You seem to forget that some groups wanted a faster resolution and this resulted in the army commanding officers being relieved of their positions and replaced by Queens Guards units. The army had done a fairly decent job in keeping the situation calm and fairly non violent. The violence only reached its apex as the Queen Guard units went on the offensive. Up until them, the army had the protestors contained. Had the original plan been followed, the supply lines would have been cut and slowly but surely, the leaders taken into custody. The PM was in panic mode and was under pressure from forces upon who's support he needed to remain in power. As much as I would like to blame Abhisit, the man was not in charge.

Indeed the situation might have a different outcome. Most of the violence was actually occurring outside the protest area (DinDeang / Klong Toei / Rama 4 Road), with a significant number of people (army, rioters, innocents [sky train passengers] etc) being killed or injured outside . Had the army maintained its quarantine strategy, it is possible that more deaths etc may have ensued as it is possible that supporters might have attempted to break into the area or the army might have found itself surrounded and had to fight its way out.

I remember being at Klong Toei and seeing 'reds' block the army in (albeit the army was 200 yards further down rama 4 road near Lumpini) with burning tyre walls across rama 4 road and groups of 'armed' men walking through the crowd. I use the term armed loosely here. Whatever they were carrying was covered in a blanket and was being purposely hidden, however the butt was visible, they were walking towards army lines and in communication with 'commanders' (on the Klong Toei intersection bridge who were looking down rama 4 road at army line with binoculars) with walkies talkies, and were carrying binoculars scopes, machetes as well as a hidden object which had a wooden / plastic 'butt'. Draw your own conclusion. I don't think they were delivering lunch.

The main armed force wasn't in rachaprasong, but attacking from outside the protest zone. So it is possible GK that eviction was the lesser of the two options.

[LuckyLew]

eff them .. they were stupid enough to follow their leader like sheep to the slaughter house

I have zero sympathy for any of them

This sat and listened to brain washers for weeks on end all the while being paid to do so.

An they dead are in line for a huge pay out

Democrats owe them nothing

[HarryMilton]

A few questions:

Were there 100k people there?

Who made that estimate?

Did anyone think of demanding Thaksin's apologies for all the deaths and destruction caused by the riots he instigated?

Were the families of the soldiers killed by the rioters there?

Was the family of the lady killed in the sky train station attack there?

RIP to the lady who died.

Another martyr to the greed and selfishness of the coward sitting in his air con luxury in Dubai while these fools sweat and die for him.

Couple of very easy answers for you...no, there weren't 100,000 people there, the report quotes 10,000 and it was you who mentioned the larger figure.

[Mosha]

With your logic it can be said that had the army been allowed to continue with its strategy of containment and quarantine, the situation may have had a different outcome. You seem to forget that some groups wanted a faster resolution and this resulted in the army commanding officers being relieved of their positions and replaced by Queens Guards units. The army had done a fairly decent job in keeping the situation calm and fairly non violent. The violence only reached its apex as the Queen Guard units went on the offensive. Up until them, the army had the protestors contained. Had the original plan been followed, the supply lines would have been cut and slowly but surely, the leaders taken into custody. The PM was in panic mode and was under pressure from forces upon who's support he needed to remain in power. As much as I would like to blame Abhisit, the man was not in charge.

.

Calm and non-violent ... except for storming parliament and Thaicom and using molotov cocktails ...

Don't forget the hospital.

[whybother]

A few questions:

Were there 100k people there?

Who made that estimate?

Did anyone think of demanding Thaksin's apologies for all the deaths and destruction caused by the riots he instigated?

Were the families of the soldiers killed by the rioters there?

Was the family of the lady killed in the sky train station attack there?

RIP to the lady who died.

Another martyr to the greed and selfishness of the coward sitting in his air con luxury in Dubai while these fools sweat and die for him.

Couple of very easy answers for you...no, there weren't 100,000 people there, the report quotes 10,000 and it was you who mentioned the larger figure.

Ms. Tida Tojirakarn, chairwoman of the National United Front Of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) outlined the rally activities in a press conference to reporters. ...

She estimated that over 100,000 Redshirts will show up.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/639466-thaksin-to-skype-with-redshirts-rally-on-19-may/

[MrSlatersParrot]

3 years on and most of the above are still .brain-washed.

Try checking out the international media for what actually happened in 2010 not just the yellow-hued elitist Thai media.

[whybother]

3 years on and most of the above are still .brain-washed.

Try checking out the international media for what actually happened in 2010 not just the yellow-hued elitist Thai media.

.

Maybe you can point us to the "international media" articles that explain what actually happened. It would be useful if they were actually here so they know what happened too.

[rubl]

The kiddo is right writing "You seem to forget that some groups wanted a faster resolution". From day 1 the UDD wanted House Dissolution.

[jayboy]

3 years on and most of the above are still .brain-washed.

Try checking out the international media for what actually happened in 2010 not just the yellow-hued elitist Thai media.

.

Maybe you can point us to the "international media" articles that explain what actually happened. It would be useful if they were actually here so they know what happened too.

All the international news agencies were here in 2010 including the BBC and CNN.However they were in the pay of Thaksin so cannot be relied upon.Also it is an established fact that no foreigner can ever understand Thailand, because Thailand is so special and unique.Slightly less facetiously the Thai establishment cannot handle detailed scrutiny.

[whybother]

3 years on and most of the above are still .brain-washed.

Try checking out the international media for what actually happened in 2010 not just the yellow-hued elitist Thai media.

.

Maybe you can point us to the "international media" articles that explain what actually happened. It would be useful if they were actually here so they know what happened too.

All the international news agencies were here in 2010 including the BBC and CNN.However they were in the pay of Thaksin so cannot be relied upon.Also it is an established fact that no foreigner can ever understand Thailand, because Thailand is so special and unique.Slightly less facetiously the Thai establishment cannot handle detailed scrutiny.

.

What they say happened is not really any different to what a lot of other people said happened (except the red shirts of course).

[scorecard]

3 years on and most of the above are still .brain-washed.

Try checking out the international media for what actually happened in 2010 not just the yellow-hued elitist Thai media.

.

Maybe you can point us to the "international media" articles that explain what actually happened. It would be useful if they were actually here so they know what happened too.

All the international news agencies were here in 2010 including the BBC and CNN.However they were in the pay of Thaksin so cannot be relied upon.Also it is an established fact that no foreigner can ever understand Thailand, because Thailand is so special and unique.Slightly less facetiously the Thai establishment cannot handle detailed scrutiny.

Well that's your opinion, and not necessarily the opinion of others and there must be all sorts of shades of grey in what people overall watched, researched and what opinions they have developed.

By the way, it could also be an opinion that the paymaster cannot handle detailed scrutiny / questioning, well supported by his 'yes' and 'no' batons when asked various questions by reporters.

And fact that when asked a very awkward question by a foreign reporter his reaction was to say 'idiot scum' and the reporter was deported the next day.

[Robby nz]

Indeed Harry as has already been pointed out the lady in charge estimated they would get 100K.

Now if indeed as the OP says there were about 10K actually turned up that would be 10% right?

And as we see by the unfortunate lady who died they had to be recruited from far and wide.

Would this be in line with the previous 100K who didn't turn up because they were not paid or was transport provided free this time to get a few more?

Could this indicate some sort of decline in support for the reds and therefor PT, maybe just maybe some are starting to wake up and see how they have been used.

How long will it be before they start demanding an apology from Yingluck?

[philw]

3 years on and most of the above are still .brain-washed.

Try checking out the international media for what actually happened in 2010 not just the yellow-hued elitist Thai media.

.

Maybe you can point us to the "international media" articles that explain what actually happened. It would be useful if they were actually here so they know what happened too.

All the international news agencies were here in 2010 including the BBC and CNN.However they were in the pay of Thaksin so cannot be relied upon.Also it is an established fact that no foreigner can ever understand Thailand, because Thailand is so special and unique.Slightly less facetiously the Thai establishment cannot handle detailed scrutiny.

Well that's your opinion, and not necessarily the opinion of others and there must be all sorts of shades of grey in what people overall watched, researched and what opinions they have developed.

By the way, it could also be an opinion that the paymaster cannot handle detailed scrutiny / questioning, well supported by his 'yes' and 'no' batons when asked various questions by reporters.

And fact that when asked a very awkward question by a foreign reporter his reaction was to say 'idiot scum' and the reporter was deported the next day.

Interested in your last sentence.

Can you substantiate this ???

Who was the reporter and which publication did he work for ??

Thanks

[bigbamboo]

Indeed Harry as has already been pointed out the lady in charge estimated they would get 100K.

Now if indeed as the OP says there were about 10K actually turned up that would be 10% right?

And as we see by the unfortunate lady who died they had to be recruited from far and wide.

Would this be in line with the previous 100K who didn't turn up because they were not paid or was transport provided free this time to get a few more?

Could this indicate some sort of decline in support for the reds and therefor PT, maybe just maybe some are starting to wake up and see how they have been used.

How long will it be before they start demanding an apology from Yingluck?

So am I right in saying more people showed up at the anti government rally than the pro government one?

That really would be amazing when you compare the TPF to the established government backed UDD.

Edited May 20, 2013 by bigbamboo

[rubl]

A bit off topic, but regarding quick tempers, journalists and inappropriate questions and reports:

"Thaksin said his government did not have to explain to the US the Thai police decision to expel two foreign journalists from the Far Eastern Economic Review (FEER) on grounds that their article threatened Thailand's national security."
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Thaksin-hits-back-at-US-concern-56248.html

[yoshiwara]

3 years on and most of the above are still .brain-washed.

Try checking out the international media for what actually happened in 2010 not just the yellow-hued elitist Thai media.

.

Maybe you can point us to the "international media" articles that explain what actually happened. It would be useful if they were actually here so they know what happened too.

All the international news agencies were here in 2010 including the BBC and CNN.However they were in the pay of Thaksin so cannot be relied upon.Also it is an established fact that no foreigner can ever understand Thailand, because Thailand is so special and unique.Slightly less facetiously the Thai establishment cannot handle detailed scrutiny.

Talking of detailed scrutiny, that is a problem you have with the Arisman video. Pity Arisman wasn't addressing the crowd this time round with a joyful rendition of bring your bottles to fill up with petrol to burn Bangkok. I am sure the audience would have politely clapped him just as they did last time.