Does any body recall an Afghanistan airliner that was hyjacked from Kabul to Stanstead,and the whole plane,passengers and hyjackers where given welfare by the Blair government.Not one was prosecuted. I am afraid that in this case I do not forsee any justice being carried out for these two trouble makers. Going by the history of the U.K's dealings with Muslims,do you really expect equal justice to be carried out.

No. But I remember vividly an incident over Lockerbie.

We cannot deal with extremists and terrorists by condemnation of an entire religion.

True. But we also cannot deal with extremists and terrorists by appeasement of an entire religion.

And that is what is happening at the moment. When you have surrendered to the extent that an English town council bans the flying of the national flag, because the links between the Cross of St George and the medieval Crusades might offend any Muslims living in the town, then you know that the country has lost big-time.

If we're talking about airlines, try ordering a non-Halal dish meat dish on British Airlines -- because of its surrender to Muslim sensibilities, animals used for food now have to be slaughtered in the ancient Islamic way, rather than the (relatively) humane methods used in the West. This is progress?

We cannot deal with extremists and terrorists by condemnation of an entire religion.

True. But we also cannot deal with extremists and terrorists by appeasement of an entire religion.

And that is what is happening at the moment. When you have surrendered to the extent that an English town council bans the flying of the national flag, because the links between the Cross of St George and the medieval Crusades might offend any Muslims living in the town, then you know that the country has lost big-time.

If we're talking about airlines, try ordering a non-Halal dish meat dish on British Airlines -- because of its surrender to Muslim sensibilities, animals used for food now have to be slaughtered in the ancient Islamic way, rather than the (relatively) humane methods used in the West. This is progress?

Well said. You can only bend over backwards before one collapses eh.

What on earth this to do with two numpties causing trouble on a flight to the UK? Let's get a sense of proportion and reality.

I work on the basis that if a post is excessively long or convoluted it is probably bs.

2 xxxxx from Lancashire are arrested by the Essex police because of what Islam terrorists have done previously.

Make them pay for the Tornado jet fuel and airframe hours!! That will discourage anyone else.

British tax payer will pick up the bill.

Not a problem.

If past incidents of this nature are anything to go by, the two idiots will pay.

Nice training exercise for the pilot, anyway.

I'm off to bed guys.

Callous, dispassionate discussion on a matter of importance leaves me cold.

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If Muslims controlled the council and your prejudices about Muslims were correct, then the council would not be flying the Union Flag and the Cross of St. George; would they?

But <deleted> has all this to do with the topic?

But <deleted> has all this to do with the topic?

Indeed, a bunch of off topic obfuscation posts have been removed as well as the replies. Maybe it's time for some to back away from the keyboard.

7by7. i was simple showing how words can be misconstrued. You DID state that 34% of the Woking population were Muslims and living in the town centre. The Woking TOWN CENTRE is in the parameters i mentioned. But i agree we are digressing.

By the way. Woking was / is a nice town.. it's been about 9 years since i worked there though.

You obviously have not read any of the news reports! Try this one

This was an altercation between a couple of passengers and the crew.

It's happened before, unfortunately it will happen again.

Not a terrorist act, and if the passengers concerned are Muslim, they've not been named yet, that is a pure coincidence.

Can't believe that one can live in such a state of denial.

From post #5 in this very thread

The group began arguing, and when crew members approached them as it was getting out of control, Shafqat and Ashraf threatened blowing up the plane.

Shame that report was incorrect!

From UK plane alert: Pair charged with endangering aircraft

>Two men have been charged with endangering an aircraft after RAF Typhoon jets escorted a passenger plane over the UK.

Tayyab Subhani, 30, and Mohammed Safdar, 41, both of Nelson, Lancashire, were detained at Stansted on Friday.

Probably Muslim, but definitely not terrorism.

Not probably Muslim,And lets wait and see what the Court will charge them with.

Majic, their names suggest that they are of Pakistani descent, and as they were in Pakistan to attend a funeral they almost certainly are.

But not all Pakistanis are Muslim; though most are.

So I'll stick with probably.

They have been charged with endangering an aircraft.

UK plane alert: Pair in court on endangering aircraft charge

The police should have listened to the Pakistani High Commissioner, After all the aircraft is government property.

Get tough UK. IF their threats were witnessed by many who became scared, then get tough UK.

PS. The courts that is.

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Get tough UK. IF their threats were witnessed by many who became scared, then get tough UK.

PS. The courts that is.

The maximum penalty under the Aviation (Offences) Act 2003 is 5 years.

The police should have listened to the Pakistani High Commissioner, After all the aircraft is government property.

What did he say?

All that appears on the Pakistan High Commission website about the matter is

Update on PIA flight diverted to Stansted Airport

LONDON: Today Pakistan International Airlines Flight No. PK709 bound for Manchester was diverted from Manchester to UK’s Stansted Airport after the crew of the flight reported to the British Authorities about the threats to the safety of the plane made by the two passengers. Immediately after learning about this development the Pakistan High Commission in London established contact with the British Authorities to ascertain the facts.

A team of the High Commission’s officers has been sent to the Stansted Airport to provide any consular assistance to the passengers that may be required. The High Commission is keeping the authorities informed back in Pakistan and is also in touch with the PIA office in London. The facts are being ascertained.

Page 1 of this topic go look yourself.

The police have said it was not terrorist related, I'll believe them.

That only means the accused have not claimed they are part of a terrorist cell or whatever.

Make them pay for the Tornado jet fuel and airframe hours!! That will discourage anyone else.

British tax payer will pick up the bill.

Not a problem.

If past incidents of this nature are anything to go by, the two idiots will pay.

Nice training exercise for the pilot, anyway.

Another insight to how you look at the world. Surely it was an act of kindness that prompted these men to terrorize a plane full of passengers and inflict all of them with inconvenience. Not to mention the costs of scrambling jets and other costs to the airline, military, and justice system.

What on earth this to do with two numpties causing trouble on a flight to the UK? Let's get a sense of proportion and reality.

I'm all in favour of a sense of proportion and reality... so let me ask this.

Why is it that everywhere in the world where there are Muslims there is trouble? Trouble which ranges from social tension, anxiety, and civil unrest through to oppression, ethnic cleansing of non-Islamists and murder. And where there is murder it has to be ugly and offensive slaughter.

We all know that the actions of two people are not representative of an entire community. A moderate Muslim journalist wrote this a couple of days ago from his relatively safe position in the UK: 'And at moments of high tension, the most liberal and democratic of us fantasise about transporting them all [islamicist brutes] to a remote cold island, their own dismal caliphate where they could preach to each other and die.'

And within this article written by the moderate Muslim journalist, is this little gem: 'Countless European Muslims know and oppose destructive western policies. But we understand the political contract and work within democratic conventions.'

The journalist does not explain what these 'destructive western policies' are. But there is a reference later in the article to '...drone massacres of the innocent.'

Maybe Western efforts to protect human rights are unappreciated and can be criticised? Solution. Leave them to it.

And what has this got to do with the topic of this thread? Everything. The sky over Essex is the same sky over Afghanistan and Iraq. Gone are the days when we didn't have to take our laptops out of our bags at airport security.

Rainbows and sunshine brothers. Have a nice day.

I have no problem with leaving them to it. I just need to know which flight they are going to be on when they do it.

The problem with making them pay for the disruption is that they obviously have low paid jobs so it would be impossible for them to do.

I know you like music transam.

UB40?

Moderate Muslim liberals earning a decent British wage could have a whip round for them maybe.

The problem with making them pay for the disruption is that they obviously have low paid jobs so it would be impossible for them to do.

Common problem so it seems:

Yep. Putting 2 RAF Typhoons in the sky doesn't come cheap. Arming them with the missile capability to reduce collateral damage comes extra.

I know you like music transam.

UB40?

Moderate Muslim liberals earning a decent British wage could have a whip round for them maybe.

Perhaps they will .

Yeh music is my thing, just listened to We Will Rock You by Queen. Interesting lyrics.

RAF Typhoon. Music to the ears just like a Spitfire was.

And if we are getting into heart on the sleeve territory, my particular favourites are an Arab song called 'Desert Rose' wiith Sting and an Algerian singer called Cheb Mami; and the all time old time favourite song of Joni Mitchell 'Both Sides Now' sung by a Cambodian group called Dengue Fever. Flowing romantic words delivered in staccato Khmer like bullets out of a machine gun.

Sir Winston Churchill would not be at all happy if he knew was what going on over Essex and the necessity for the RAF, the British Police and the British legal system to scramble.

Page 1 of this topic go look yourself.

Yes, I've read that; he is merely repeating what the witnesses said.

The police, including the bomb squad, searched the plane thoroughly, there was no evidence that this was an attempted terrorist act.

Do you consider this man to be a terrorist?

Or this one?

How about all of these?

Some of whom said they had a bomb or were going to kill the pilot or similar.

28th November 2007 : Anchorage, USA

Alaska Airlines Flight Threatened

On the Alsaka Airlines flight from Seattle to Anchorage Kirk Frederick Forest of Wyoming allegedlly caused a disturbance and insued a threat reportedly containing the word "bomb". He was restrained and the aircraft landed in a remote area of the airfield on arrival, where he was arrested for interfering with a flight crew.

Wasted transam.

chill.

Mai pen rai krab.