bealus Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Strolling on the internet came across this news about a G.P. rider crashing at 337 km p/h and withstanding G-Forces up to 25 G; still being alive thanks to modern safety jackets. Just thought it might interest some bikers; what modern technology is capable of. P.S. not have an interest whatsoever in the brand named in the article Here's the link: http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2013/marquez+crash+telemetry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedghog Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Was it a 110cc or 125cc Honda wave? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealus Posted June 3, 2013 Author Share Posted June 3, 2013 Was it a 110cc or 125cc Honda wave? of course tuned and super-charged by our famous Thai mechanics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSJ Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 It would be interesting to see the footage.....you know, so when I am in a similar situation I know how to respond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealus Posted June 3, 2013 Author Share Posted June 3, 2013 It would be interesting to see the footage.....you know, so when I am in a similar situation I know how to respond. he he, no need in boosting your self-confidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mania Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 I saw the accident & the telemetry as it was part of the Mugello practice this past weekend He basically lost the front & then bailed off the bike to avoid hitting a wall. That in itself at over 200 mph is pretty amazing. But yes the new suits are good but not the main reason for his survival. That would be luck He crashed 3 times this weekend before the race. Then during the race with none around him he crashed out of 2nd place for no apparent reason This guy is great but young & hopefully does not use up all his 9 lives too soon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTMOxRp1vCM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moe666 Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 From my experience last tues you do not really get to make a decision about what to do in most cases. I was wearing safety gear which kept my injuries down and didn't hit anything except the pavement. I guess if you have a lot of crashes you would be able to react differently but who wants to go thru that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mania Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 From my experience last tues you do not really get to make a decision about what to do in most cases. I was wearing safety gear which kept my injuries down and didn't hit anything except the pavement. I guess if you have a lot of crashes you would be able to react differently but who wants to go thru that. Yes of course practice makes perfect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 (edited) No further injuries for Marc Marquez http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2013/No+further+injuries+for+Marc+Marquez Edited June 4, 2013 by Garry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywais Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 I can't tell if they are using a back board in this or not. Would hope so. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcJdIEJLB6I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mania Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 (edited) I can't tell if they are using a back board in this or not. Would hope so. The Med workers are the best in the business at GP tracks so no problems I'm sure with care. also the suit has a back brace in it that does not really allow the back to flex Edited June 4, 2013 by mania Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywais Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 I can't tell if they are using a back board in this or not. Would hope so. The Med workers are the best in the business at GP tracks so no problems I'm sure with care. also the suit has a back brace in it that does not really allow the back to flex Thanks for that, wasn't aware of the built in brace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealus Posted June 4, 2013 Author Share Posted June 4, 2013 I saw the accident & the telemetry as it was part of the Mugello practice this past weekend He basically lost the front & then bailed off the bike to avoid hitting a wall. That in itself at over 200 mph is pretty amazing. But yes the new suits are good but not the main reason for his survival. That would be luck He crashed 3 times this weekend before the race. Then during the race with none around him he crashed out of 2nd place for no apparent reason This guy is great but young & hopefully does not use up all his 9 lives too soon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTMOxRp1vCM Thanks uploading this footage; gives a good impression of the almost insane speed. Saw some G.P. 's myself and it even increases the adrenaline level from people who watch; let alone the drivers Yes at his age he'll better be careful with his 9 lives; was lucky myself whilst driving a Hayabusa and consumed a few "cat-lives"; now not exactly being a spring-chicken am happy by cruising at lower speed through this beautiful country nature-wise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealus Posted June 4, 2013 Author Share Posted June 4, 2013 I can't tell if they are using a back board in this or not. Would hope so. The Med workers are the best in the business at GP tracks so no problems I'm sure with care. also the suit has a back brace in it that does not really allow the back to flex Thanks for that, wasn't aware of the built in brace. From the days that security at G.P.'s was pretty limited to hay-bales and a helmet; it took quite a quantum-leap to airbag provided safety-suits. Have no idea however about wearing-comfort, cost, weight and even availability for non-pro's. Anticipating for getting more accident-prone related with age, maybe I should make some inquiries though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealus Posted June 4, 2013 Author Share Posted June 4, 2013 From my experience last tues you do not really get to make a decision about what to do in most cases. I was wearing safety gear which kept my injuries down and didn't hit anything except the pavement. I guess if you have a lot of crashes you would be able to react differently but who wants to go thru that. Totally agree. would not like to crash on Thai roads speeding 300 km p/h up(or any other road for that matter); good to hear your safety-gear kept you from seriously injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moe666 Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 From my experience last tues you do not really get to make a decision about what to do in most cases. I was wearing safety gear which kept my injuries down and didn't hit anything except the pavement. I guess if you have a lot of crashes you would be able to react differently but who wants to go thru that. Totally agree. would not like to crash on Thai roads speeding 300 km p/h up(or any other road for that matter); good to hear your safety-gear kept you from seriously injured Mainly serious road rash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikster Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 From my experience last tues you do not really get to make a decision about what to do in most cases. I was wearing safety gear which kept my injuries down and didn't hit anything except the pavement. I guess if you have a lot of crashes you would be able to react differently but who wants to go thru that. On the road it's really pure luck because if there's a tree / oncoming car / barrier there and you hit it, you're dead; if there is just pavement, you get up and no harm done. A race track at least has buffer zones. That said on my two crashes in Thailand they were both my fault for going stupidly fast, too fast for the conditions / capabilities of the bike. On both occasions I could have possibly reacted a bit better but in hindsight it would have been magnitudes easier to avoid doing the stupid thing in the first place. One time I got overconfident in my new tires in the rain "woohooo these really stick in the rain, f*** that rain"... until I hit that oil patch, lost the rear and high-sided when the oil patch ended and the tires showed their amazing grip on the wet road again... and that on the one road where I always warn people that there's sand, oil, pot holes, diesel soot all over the road. Another time I found that the cornering abilities of the KLX on the road are really pretty amazing, and decided to really test the very limits of that... 5555 PS: Getting up from several 25Gs of impact is crazy. As amazing as the gear is, he was also pretty lucky. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealus Posted June 5, 2013 Author Share Posted June 5, 2013 @moe666 know what road rash feels and looks like myself won't keep us from biking though be careful out there!!! @nikster and that on the one road where I always warn people that there's sand, oil, pot holes, diesel soot all over the road. Alas very true, especially when rain starts coming in after prolonged periods of drought, will not hit the road(with a bike) then. Sometimes unavoidable while doing a trip, still have memories of a poor Thai chap in Phuket driving in rain, bones coming out of the body after sliding. Step down on my speed; even when it looks funny to bystanders. Googled a bit about g-forces for jet-pilots and astronauts and then you realize he IS a lucky guy surviving 25 G. As said before curious to see what an advanced safety jacket like this would look like(and cost ), if I google something on this, will post it here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mania Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 (edited) Googled a bit about g-forces for jet-pilots and astronauts and then you realize he IS a lucky guy surviving 25 G. As said before curious to see what an advanced safety jacket like this would look like(and cost:w00t: ), if I google something on this, will post it here Funny you mention that as G forces & flying always sticks in my mind. Years ago I flew & as a private pilot felt mild G forces like 2 & know what that feels like. Try to lift a arm to cover your forehead when it weighs twice as much But yes 25G's is an insane amount Fighter pilots need to endure 9 G's in a test maybe more theses days? Without losing consciousness But........Something needs to be pointed out here. That telemetry was done by Alpinestars suit sensors & they are playing it up a bit to show how great their suits are. But the truth is getting whacks or bump velocity that reach the number they did is not the same as enduring those G's Theirs are like shocks/bumps Pilots etc are strapped in a chair that is enduring those G's for a period. Which is why they have the G suits that squeeze their legs when it senses X amount of G's. To push that blood back up to their head so they dont pass out. You know show pilots like the Blue angels cannot wear those suits? Because when they pump up they will move the pilots hand & the angels are flying tight formations & it could cause them to bump into each other. The suits expand & contract as needed many times during high G flights for normal fighter pilots. The kind of high G Marc had was spot G's not prolonged. Still awesome though to consider getting off at that speed. I have come off bikes doing 80-100mph racing flat track & it is a weird sensation. You always think your able to stand then suddenly your sucked again & again into tumbles because the truth is your not stopped at all even though your brain thinks you are. In his telemetry chart you can see that. He banged then went again & again Edited June 5, 2013 by mania Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealus Posted June 5, 2013 Author Share Posted June 5, 2013 This is the race-jacket suit, price-tag without the airbags http://www.alpinestars.com/moto/racing-replica-1-piece-leather-suit.html#.Ua8VAZwmOto see it activated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealus Posted June 5, 2013 Author Share Posted June 5, 2013 Googled a bit about g-forces for jet-pilots and astronauts and then you realize he IS a lucky guy surviving 25 G. As said before curious to see what an advanced safety jacket like this would look like(and cost:w00t: ), if I google something on this, will post it here Funny you mention that as G forces & flying always sticks in my mind.Years ago I flew & as a private pilot felt mild G forces like 2 & know what that feels like. Try to lift a arm to cover your forehead when it weighs twice as much But yes 25G's is an insane amount Fighter pilots need to endure 9 G's in a test maybe more theses days? Without losing consciousness But........Something needs to be pointed out here. That telemetry was done by Alpinestars suit sensors & they are playing it up a bit to show how great their suits are. But the truth is getting whacks or bump velocity that reach the number they did is not the same as enduring those G's Theirs are like shocks/bumps Pilots etc are strapped in a chair that is enduring those G's for a period. Which is why they have the G suits that squeeze their legs when it senses X amount of G's. To push that blood back up to their head so they dont pass out. You know show pilots like the Blue angels cannot wear those suits? Because when they pump up they will move the pilots hand & the angels are flying tight formations & it could cause them to bump into each other. The suits expand & contract as needed many times during high G flights for normal fighter pilots. The kind of high G Marc had was spot G's not prolonged. Still awesome though to consider getting off at that speed. I have come off bikes doing 80-100mph racing flat track & it is a weird sensation. You always think your able to stand then suddenly your sucked again & again into tumbles because the truth is your not stopped at all even though your brain thinks you are. In his telemetry chart you can see that. He banged then went again & again Interesting stuff Mania. If you think of it it becomes quite logical; prolonged exposure to G forces versus "shocks&bumps". As you made the difference quite clear between aviation and biking, as bikers we'll go for improved "bump-technology". I DID get off my bike too at a speed of 80, kilometer p/h that is, so you still beat me there. No intention to win first price though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSJ Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 This is the race-jacket suit, price-tag without the airbags http://www.alpinestars.com/moto/racing-replica-1-piece-leather-suit.html#.Ua8VAZwmOto see it activated The price doesn't matter to Moto GP riders cos they don't pay for anything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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