PM urged to condemn attack by red shirts

[TomTao]

I could not see the PM giving anything more than a lip service condemnation of the violence against anyone by the reds, she doesn't want to disefranchise PT's power base.

[Scott]

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[spermwhale]

Shades of the early days of national socialism in Germany eh? Now Thaksin's mobs are showing their support for democracy! Nazi Style! Bring it on!

It goes beyond this little spat. Everytime Democrats go anywhere to speak in Red Shirt territory, including former PM Abhisit, they are pelted with thrown objects their access to venues are blocked and Abhisit's car on many occasions has been damaged as the red shirt thugs throw projectiles at it. This is the democracy under the Shinawatra government.

I don't recall anything similar happening when the Abhisit government was in power (i.e. the yellows attacking reds).

The Pheu Thai and their mafia supporters won't tolerate anybody criticizing them and it will only get worse. The red shirts are indeed the Thai version of Germany's jack-booted thugs. And the rot and stench of supression of free speech and political opposition reeks all the way to Dubai where the top bastard sits pulling the strings.

Edited June 16, 2013 by spermwhale

[johnlandy]

Hardly looks like an attack but more like a staged event. You have six people wearing red clothing and one with a mask. Everyone seems to be in party mood with happy smiling faces. Look at the pic, that is definitely staged. The guy in red is smiling and the little woman in the stripes is apparently being held back by the invisible man.

I took another look at this photo and think that you need to look again as well. I cannot see anyway to draw the same conclusion that you have.

Look at the pic, that is definitely staged. The guy in red is smiling and the little woman in the stripes is apparently being held back by the invisible man

I think that he you should visit an optometrist, there is no smile on the face of the red shirt and there is no one restraining the woman in the striped shirt.

I agree entirely with the 2nd posters comments.

[johnlandy]

Shades of the early days of national socialism in Germany eh? Now Thaksin's mobs are showing their support for democracy! Nazi Style! Bring it on!

It goes beyond this little spat. Everytime Democrats go anywhere to speak in Red Shirt territory, including former PM Abhisit, they are pelted with thrown objects their access to venues are blocked and Abhisit's car on many occasions has been damaged as the red shirt thugs throw projectiles at it. This is the democracy under the Shinawatra government.

I don't recall anything similar happening when the Abhisit government was in power (i.e. the yellows attacking reds).

The Pheu Thai and their mafia supporters won't tolerate anybody criticizing them and it will only get worse. The red shirts are indeed the Thai version of Germany's jack-booted thugs. And the rot and stench of supression of free speech and political opposition reeks all the way to Dubai where the top bastard sits pulling the strings.

And the puppets here do not realize that they are being manipulated by this clown.

I have wondered for quite some time just how this guy has not been taken out.

[rubberduck]

Hardly looks like an attack but more like a staged event. You have six people wearing red clothing and one with a mask. Everyone seems to be in party mood with happy smiling faces. Look at the pic, that is definitely staged. The guy in red is smiling and the little woman in the stripes is apparently being held back by the invisible man.

I took another look at this photo and think that you need to look again as well. I cannot see anyway to draw the same conclusion that you have.

Look at the pic, that is definitely staged. The guy in red is smiling and the little woman in the stripes is apparently being held back by the invisible man

I think that he you should visit an optometrist, there is no smile on the face of the red shirt and there is no one restraining the woman in the striped shirt.

I agree entirely with the 2nd posters comments.

Some people just see what they want to see.

[Globeman]

How democratic of the Pheu Thai deputy spokesman... hypocrisy reigns supreme. If they're sincere they should ban the wearing of red in public. They're in power, what more do they want!

Everyone seems to be in party mood with happy smiling faces. Look at the pic, that is definitely staged.

The only genuine smile I can see is the dude with the mask. The 'smiley' red is donning one of those fake ones.

What more do they want? they want to be loved...

[rubl]

The ABAC poll was reported yesterday in the other Newspaper.

[chooka]

Hardly looks like an attack but more like a staged event. You have six people wearing red clothing and one with a mask. Everyone seems to be in party mood with happy smiling faces. Look at the pic, that is definitely staged. The guy in red is smiling and the little woman in the stripes is apparently being held back by the invisible man.

I took another look at this photo and think that you need to look again as well. I cannot see anyway to draw the same conclusion that you have.

Look at the pic, that is definitely staged. The guy in red is smiling and the little woman in the stripes is apparently being held back by the invisible man

I think that he you should visit an optometrist, there is no smile on the face of the red shirt and there is no one restraining the woman in the striped shirt.

I agree entirely with the 2nd posters comments.

Some people just see what they want to see.

Yep agree 100%

[Scott]

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[khunken]

One side comes out to protest and calls for democratic elections. The other side comes out and calls for a military coup and military appointed government. They should be put in prison.

Not only are you totally wrong but you have only revealed your lack of democratic credentials.

The red side called for the overthrow of a democratic government. Not much different to calling for a coup. The V-mask protestors are not calling for a military coup (more economical 'truths') but an end to corruption by the Thaksin-appointed government.

You are obviously not a supporter of: 'i don't agree with what they are saying but will defend their right to the death to do so'.

[Cnxforever]

More and more there are those in the reds who believe they can do as they like and don't need to wait for instructions. They also know if the go well over the top there is no way anyone in the government or PTP will criticise them far less condemn so that must mean they are not doing anything wrong.

A monster has been created and they are notoriously hard to control which is going to cost PTP dearly but more especially the country will really suffer and the root cause of all of this is sitting safely well away from it all.

While the violence needs not only strong condemnation - especially because this is not the first time that a certain group of red shirts in Chiang Mai think they are above the law. The - or some police in Chiang Mai is reluctant to step in or are outright siding with them should be held accountable starting with their bosses.

The issue is a bit over simplified here.......the root cause is a bit more complex than this. The brain washing is not so easy anymore as it used to be. This has gone far beyond Thaksin and red shirts several years ago.

With relative free flow of information (and mis-information of course) people are waking up and they are fed up being taken to the cleaners by the so called "Elite" from every color spectrum Red - Yellow or whatever color they wear - robbing the country blind and poor Thais have realised that they want more than promises and handouts while the rich grow richer looking down on their poor, uneducated countryman as if they are garbage.

This movement has been created by nobody else than the "Elite" themselves - the Reds just never had a chance or a voice in the past - Thaksin or TRT gave them a voice and there is no turning back now. The Thai elite's party will slowly end the people now want a piece of the cake.

The elite - which by the way does not want to be reminded about their poor uneducated brothers and sisters - as it is embarrassing - (they should just lie low shut up and do the dirty jobs) - will now pay the price of keeping the masses uneducated condemning them to a life in poverty with very little chance of significant improvements ever during their lifetime. People which have never been educated to fight with arguments instead of their fists are easily turned into violent mobs by corrupt leaders.

This of course is used by both sides with the elite afraid of a changing the status quo as they live in luxury - on the one side and the poor on the other. They are all played by a corrupt leadership whatever color they may wear.

The yellow shirts are nothing but a narrow minded, brainwashed mob being used so the elite can go on living in luxury (and help some of them to stay out of prison).

So are the red shirts. But both can grow into a formitable political force by getting rid of their corrupt leadership putting their differences aside and start talking to each other. Ignore their current leaders - as -on both sides -they are nothing but a bunch of greedy, thieving, corrupt individuals concerned only with their personal wellbeing.

What the red shirts need to do now is get rid of these violent thugs - distance themselves from the corrupt politicians who have started this movement and select their own leaders - built chapters all over the country and come up with ideas how to better the lives of ordinary Thais -be reasonable in their demands - change takes time - then they will have a voice that must be heard - there is no way around it.

As long as both - red and yellow shirts - are seen only as tools used by some greedy, corrupt self-obsessed individuals in disguise - they will never be taken seriously.

Thailands political landscape is changing if one likes it or not - we all can only hope the change will be peacefull - a coup will solve nothing - just another corrupt bunch in power - only in uniform - used to never being held accountable for their actions.

But real change will need people who believe in ideas, have principles and integrity who resist the power of money - hard to find in todays world - not only in Thailand.

[rixalex]

Some people just see what they want to see.

Yep agree 100%

Why did you want to see it as a staged event?

[rubl]

"As long as both - red and yellow shirts - are seen only as tools used by some greedy, corrupt self-obsessed individuals in disguise - they will never be taken seriously."

Does this mean I should not take seriously the statements of UDD leaders who happen to be Pheu Thai party list MPs? Ignore Dept. Minister for Agriculture, Pheu Thai party list MP and UDD leader Nattawut on his tour explaining the 'rice pledging' to farmers? Ignore Pheu Thai party list MP and UDD leader Dr. weng when he calls for the eradication of the Democrats? Ignore a Pheu Thai led government which is so keen on democracy that all should see it as such and there's no need to complain anymore?

BTW the 'white masks' are not equivalent to the 'yellow shirts', but are part of the topic as 'red shirts' attacked them. I would take that mob of red-shirts seriously.

EDIT: a 'not' went missing, found and inserted

Edited June 16, 2013 by rubl

[tominbkk]

Hardly looks like an attack but more like a staged event. You have six people wearing red clothing and one with a mask. Everyone seems to be in party mood with happy smiling faces. Look at the pic, that is definitely staged. The guy in red is smiling and the little woman in the stripes is apparently being held back by the invisible man.

Same group of people.. still look like party mode to you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPAdhYMHXVY

Our red shirt lovers here on TV would like to speak up about this? Are you happy to be supporting thugs like that?

[oldsailor35]

Well, these masked people are taunting the red shirts and i think if i was a red shirt i would probably retaliate to this taunting, its only natural. And if they are not trying to make trouble, why are they doing it ?

[Pi Sek]

Hardly looks like an attack but more like a staged event. You have six people wearing red clothing and one with a mask. Everyone seems to be in party mood with happy smiling faces. Look at the pic, that is definitely staged. The guy in red is smiling and the little woman in the stripes is apparently being held back by the invisible man.

I've seen three videos of this - two where a few Red Shirt old ladies start shouting at the white masked protesters and then some guys jump in and start pushing and trying to take their banners away and it doesn't look like anything too violent, but it doesn't exactly look friendly either.

Then I saw the third, with Red Shirt guys whacking protesters with sticks and police having to drag Red Shirts off prone victims, and it reminded me of this:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhJ3KZb-W_I

Darks days for humanity when shit like this is happening.

Edited June 16, 2013 by Pi Sek

[rubl]

Well, these masked people are taunting the red shirts and i think if i was a red shirt i would probably retaliate to this taunting, its only natural. And if they are not trying to make trouble, why are they doing it ?

A true word at that! How dare these white masks walk around in our Thaksin loving city of CM? That in itself is already paramount to provoking even a peaceful red-shirt

[GentlemanJim]

Well, these masked people are taunting the red shirts and i think if i was a red shirt i would probably retaliate to this taunting, its only natural. And if they are not trying to make trouble, why are they doing it ?

You're doing it again Oldsailor! The V masks were not taunting the reds, they were quietly protesting and a MOB of 200 reds decided to use physical violence and threats to move them.

Your last line is a joke right?

And if they are not trying to make trouble, why are they doing it ?

You don't do any Teaching by any chance do you?

[rixalex]

The red side called for the overthrow of a democratic government. Not much different to calling for a coup.

Indeed, and in fact, when they took over central Bangkok and started pushing things to the brink of anarchy, i think the general masterplan was to force one of two outcomes; 1) either Abhisit would be unable to bring things under control and would have had to stand down, or 2) he would have refused to stand down and the military would have made the decision for him by taking over power, ie there would have been a coup.

All the reds cared about was getting the Dems out and getting themselves into power, and anyone who thinks that had the route to achieving that outcome been a coup, that they would have refused accepting power because of their principles and beliefs against such military intervention, is living in cloud cuckoo land.

Sure, the reds are against coups, of course they are... just as long as they feel they aren't the ones getting something out of it. The day they are, it all changes..

[Pi Sek]

Well, these masked people are taunting the red shirts and i think if i was a red shirt i would probably retaliate to this taunting, its only natural. And if they are not trying to make trouble, why are they doing it ?

Sorry for sounding personal, but I guess that makes you a... well, I can't use language that strong on here.

Taunting? What?

And maybe they are trying to send a public message rather than making trouble.

[rubl]

How democratic of the Pheu Thai deputy spokesman... hypocrisy reigns supreme. If they're sincere they should ban the wearing of red in public. They're in power, what more do they want!

Everyone seems to be in party mood with happy smiling faces. Look at the pic, that is definitely staged.

The only genuine smile I can see is the dude with the mask. The 'smiley' red is donning one of those fake ones.

Ban the wearing of red in public, but allow the masked people to provoke the red shirts by taunting with these masks ?

Numb nut

As far as I know the white masks are NOT meant to taunt red-shirts. With (insert country)-spring movements white masks are often seen. With the Thai government keeping an eye on those who think differently the mask was also an extra signal in 'trying to protect' from spying eyes. None of this has anything to do with red-shirts.

BTW your comment suggest that red-shirts wearing Thaksin masks might be seen as just taunting others?

[tominbkk]

Well, these masked people are taunting the red shirts and i think if i was a red shirt i would probably retaliate to this taunting, its only natural. And if they are not trying to make trouble, why are they doing it ?

The V people were taunting nobody. They were holding what looked to be a peaceful protest. The red thugs were the ones to start throwing things at them. Get your facts straight.

[oldsailor35]

Yellow shirts, Red shirts, thats all normal part of Thai politics now and quite acceptable. However this new act of wearing stupid masks which is only designed to provoke and insult, thus stirring tempers by incitement . Must be stopped before it gets out of hand. Ban the wearing of these masks.

Apart from making more trouble, they have no use whatsoever.

Edited June 16, 2013 by oldsailor35

[Slip]

ROFL^^ Those poor red shirts being taunted by evil people wearing masks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V7zbWNznbs

[khunken]

Well, these masked people are taunting the red shirts and i think if i was a red shirt i would probably retaliate to this taunting, its only natural. And if they are not trying to make trouble, why are they doing it ?

You're doing it again Oldsailor! The V masks were not taunting the reds, they were quietly protesting and a MOB of 200 reds decided to use physical violence and threats to move them.

Your last line is a joke right?

And if they are not trying to make trouble, why are they doing it ?

You don't do any Teaching by any chance do you?

I hope not.

You don't understand GJ. No anti-thaksin protestor is allowed in red shirt territory (including their villages of course). In fact no Democrat meetings are allowed in red areas also.

The areas include all of Isan and parts of the North including Chiang Mai. The sooner we all realise this and wait for the second coming of the 'chosen' one, we can all return to our knitting.

[tominbkk]

Yellow shirts, Red shirts, thats all normal part of Thai politics now and quite acceptable. However this new act of wearing stupid masks which is only designed to provoke and insult, thus stirring tempers by incitement . Must be stopped before it gets out of hand. Ban the wearing of these masks.

Apart from making more trouble, they have no use whatsoever.

Would you prefer squads of military dragging people off who want to protest? Maybe send them to some camps? See how well it worked for the folk in Cambodia in times past.

If the reds can't take other people having ideas different from theirs then they do not belong in a country which (supposedly) has freedom of expression.

[rubl]

Yellow shirts, Red shirts, thats all normal part of Thai politics now and quite acceptable. However this new act of wearing stupid masks which is only designed to provoke and insult, thus stirring tempers by incitement . Must be stopped before it gets out of hand. Ban the wearing of these masks.

Apart from making more trouble, they have no use whatsoever.

The mask has become a symbol of resistance to a goverrnment which only talks about democracy, talks about transparency and dislikes anyone asking the wrong questions. This 'good news only' government is being questioned.

To say 'stupid masks', 'provoking only' and 'must be stopped' suggest you don't like people speaking out because that only causes problems. Next we'll get into eradicating the opposition for causing problems. Even an old sailor is known to provoke, cause problems and have no use. Should he be stopped as well?

Edited June 16, 2013 by rubl

[rixalex]

How democratic of the Pheu Thai deputy spokesman... hypocrisy reigns supreme. If they're sincere they should ban the wearing of red in public. They're in power, what more do they want!

Everyone seems to be in party mood with happy smiling faces. Look at the pic, that is definitely staged.

The only genuine smile I can see is the dude with the mask. The 'smiley' red is donning one of those fake ones.

Ban the wearing of red in public, but allow the masked people to provoke the red shirts by taunting with these masks ?

Numb nut

Your attitude on what constitutes taunting is much akin to that of a Friday night drunkard pub yob, who upon seeing someone looking at him the wrong way, launches an attack of fists and bottles. And when asked why he felt compelled and within his rights to attack a complete stranger, he explains that his victim was asking for it, that his victim had been taunting him.

People who feel so easily taunted, whether it be by the guy in the pub with the dodgy look in his eyes, or by the guy wearing a silly mask and standing on a street corner, really should stay at home for their own safety and for everyone else's.

[rixalex]

Yellow shirts, Red shirts, thats all normal part of Thai politics now and quite acceptable. However this new act of wearing stupid masks which is only designed to provoke and insult, thus stirring tempers by incitement . Must be stopped before it gets out of hand. Ban the wearing of these masks.

Apart from making more trouble, they have no use whatsoever.

Guess Halloween will need to be banned then. All those taunters going around with their ghoulish masks on. Asking for a kicking surely.

As for what you call this new act of wearing stupid masks, take it you were not about during all the red protests, when so many of them took to wearing masks of dear leader square face? Nothing new about it. The only new thing is red supporters suddenly all deciding that the wearing of a mask quite fairly justifies a violent reaction of throwing stones and punches.