Chang Beer Girls

[boosta]

Tell her she has sexy feet. That always gets their attention. In all likelyhood she has never heard that before and it will have her stumped on how to react.

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Why would she not have heard it? Plenty of foot fetishists around, she'll just think you're one of them!

[gerrythepoet]

Assumption is the Mother of all evils.

Just to clear a few points, managed to read all the posts up to joeaverage this morning

Yesterday, after reading some of the comments posted I went to the shop and chatted with my friend. blether you are quite right the girls were there just to pour drinks and interact with the customers.

No food is served in the shop, it is not a restaurant it is a place where the tv is on, some music or usually football is shown. 14 tables all with Thai guys

No girls as customers that evening.

The three girls gave me a wai as I left, my assumption was that seeing the crisps in the bin was done by one of the girls, actually two of the girls shared a packet and the packet she left on her table was thrown away by one of the Thai customers.

Yes, OP has had a work permit in Thailand for 7 years.

Agreed even getting my students to get a new rubbish bag instead of piling garbage on top of each other is beyond them and I end up finding one and replacing the bag.

True Thailand is not the UK. Not my job is prevalent far more here than the UK.

I did not buy any Chang beer, for the girls would come to my table and that would annoy the Thais.

I was the only foreigner and have never ever seen another foreigner sitting outside that shop.

I agree that my behaviour is eccentric having spent 20 years in the Hotel Industry old habits die hard.

Again, blether excellent summing up of the situation regarding the operation of beer promotion girls.

In case you are wondering I did not clean my table only returned the glass and the empty bottle back to the shop.

All the comments have been fine and no offense taken as one OP had questioned

[theblether]

My pleasure

[David48]

Full credit to the OP, in face of some heavy 'replies and suggestions' to came back and reply in an even handed and balanced way.

Whether I agree or not with his summation isn't relevant ... I admire the fact that you returned and commented ...

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[rene123]

Take it from a woman, we like well crafted complements. There are many ways to complement a woman other than the boring old "You are beautiful" comment. We also know when it's just a hustle or not. And, when it comes from some older guy who is looking for a quick lay it's even more obvious.

But, I can't understand why this topic has gone on for 7 pages. The proper answer to the original question has already been given.

[HUAHIN62]

In Thailand you can give food to your family, to monks and in you made special food you can share it with your neighbors (they will then return the favour in future). You don't give food to anyone else unless they ask for it. The Chang girls are sometimes students, but there are also married ones.

[Buckeye21]

The Chang girls still sound better than girls we had from Absolute come promote at the bar I worked at. One was on her cell texting her bf all night while the other was making out with her Thai bf in the corner of the bar. The worst part was neither of them were all that attractive.

[Salapoo]

It would have been impolite for them to clean the tables as it is somebody else's job. Them doing so is publically stating that the person whose job it is, is unable to do it properly, thus them doing it would have been insulting.

After many years here you may start to understand the culture. Until then, keep on giving money away for nothing and enjoying the smiles (while they think you are a fool).

[boosta]

In Thailand you can give food to your family, to monks and in you made special food you can share it with your neighbors (they will then return the favour in future). You don't give food to anyone else unless they ask for it. The Chang girls are sometimes students, but there are also married ones.

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Beggars, which is why (we thought) it gave offense.

And agree it's rarely seen courage to come back and calmly comment after so much raking over the coals, kudos to the OP.

Edited June 19, 2013 by boosta

[arminbkk]

What establihment in Ubonratchathani (amphur meuang I pressume) is this actually?

I asked some Thais and yes, it is not beer girls' job to clean tables. As with most drinking places in Thailand, it is their job to get you to drink a lot, i.e. to generate turnover, money that is.

[Salapoo]

Every task in Thailand has someone assigned to it. If they aren't doing it for whatever reason no one else will as:

1. It isn't their task.

2. If the task is below them, then they would be insulting themselves by doing it.

3. If the task is above them, they will be insulting the higher person by doing it, thus stating that they are not capable of their position. You do not automatically help a higher up, it can be greatly insulting and everyone will lose face.

As for you doing it, nobody would have thought 'That's a good idea, what a nice guy'. They would have thought 'oh Buddha, another farang weirdo, they're so embarrassing'.

Edited June 19, 2013 by Salapoo

[DLock]

"I find it more depends on their reaction to the pitcher rather than the style with which he throws. First impressions call it instinct, intuition chemistry whatever are most important.

If she likes the cut of your jib the most obvious lecherous leer might just make her light up like a Christmas tree, but if the sight of you makes her spew the suavest approach routine in the book isn't going to make a difference.

I think subtleties like manners, gift of the gab and stylish moves only make a difference in a pretty narrow range of middle ground.

And of course we're assuming here that explicit money motivation isn't overriding the other factors for the moment." - Boosta

Agree.

Or more commonly known as "game".

The OP appears to be fairly innocent, but did not get the reaction he wanted. I think he just wanted a smile and a little recognition. I don't think he was being lecherous, but he had zero game and made a lot of unforced errors.

Next time, try Salt and Vinegar...

[joeaverage]

The Chang girls still sound better than girls we had from Absolute come promote at the bar I worked at. One was on her cell texting her bf all night while the other was making out with her Thai bf in the corner of the bar. The worst part was neither of them were all that attractive.

Absolut disgrace.

One does wonder if pulling a chang girl gives you a splitting headache in the morning

Edited June 19, 2013 by joeaverage

[metisdead]

A baiting post has been removed as well as all the replies that contained the baiting post which led to an off topic session.

[boosta]

Tell me then if you had a job somewhere and the place had a cleaner, would you stop what you were doing to go and sweep up the floor? Doubt it as it is not your job, why does this reflect on their manners?

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He was under the impression that they were restaurant employees.

I've worked in every single job possible in dozens of restaurants, including top-level manager and in every case everyone's expected and willing to pitch in and do what needs to be done, anyone saying "that's not part of my job description" would be out on their butt in the street in a minute.

That may not be the case where unions or "award wages" have entered the picture, but IMO definitely the way things should be, certainly from a business POV and yes almost feels like a moral issue it's that strong ingrained.

But I'm the first to recognize that's not how things work here in Thailand.

Edited June 19, 2013 by boosta

[thongsuknork]

Dont Think toooooo much have beer and sleep good luck dont care for any one just chilllllll

[Beetlejuice]

Much ado about nothing.

The OP should have concentrated on enjoying his social night out, not concerning himself about what the staff were doing.

The girl probably accepted the crisps so as to be polite. Obviously she was worried about the snacks affecting her breath and tried to discretely throw the packet away rather than disappoint the OP, It`s just the Thai way, in which the OP appears to have no understanding. And also throwing towels at someone will not win friends and influence people. I dare say that if the OP ventures into more of these social venues, that he won`t be made welcome with open arms.

These girls are there as eye candy to promote any certain product, that is their job.

[BahBahBoBo]

But, I can't understand why this topic has gone on for 7 pages. The proper answer to the original question has already been given.

Because we love the 'really really beautiful' sound of our own voices?

[Cuban]

You often get a little head when beer is poured, I'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere.....

[maccaroni man]

MO a few photos of the Chang girls would help a great deal

sorted.

. Well done yes the Chang girls were correct to just look their best. Group mentality rules.

[Beetlejuice]

I think the title of thread should be renamed.

The dispute between the OP and the Beer Chang girl should be titled: The Beauty and the Beast.

[vijer]

Seems the OP doesn't understand the reason for the beer girls. I suspect he thinks the models at the car shows also wash and wax the cars.

[LaraC]

Sometimes reading threads on thaivisa leave me feeling like i should take a shower.
Reading letcherous old men style comments just gives me the willies.
Sorry na kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

[LaraC]

The whole thing is a bit silly really.

Concerns about the girls not cleaning up a table or dancing for joy over a packet of crisps.
Or that maybe the THai guys wont be happy if the girls do their job and sell you some Chang.
Why not just switch off your overthinking, drink your beer and relax...

[Eesat]

Sometimes reading threads on thaivisa leave me feeling like i should take a shower.

Reading letcherous old men style comments just gives me the willies.

Sorry na kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

How old are you then?

[vijer]

Sometimes reading threads on thaivisa leave me feeling like i should take a shower.

Reading letcherous old men style comments just gives me the willies.

Sorry na kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Yes women have never taken advantage of the fact that men find them attractive.

Of course we could behave as if we are in a soap opera, my wife thinks men act like that. Soap operas make women delusional.

[David48]

Beer Girls on Their Jobs and Drunk Customers

For those interested in what happens from the pretties perspective, have a read of this article ...

interview-beer-girls

Plus a nod to TallGuyJohninBKK for the original post

But more fun is to read the original thread with lots of photos ...

on this thread ... beer-promo-ladies;-tiger-heineken-etc in the Business Forum.

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Edited June 19, 2013 by David48

[BradinAsia]

I've never considered anything even resembling a moustache (ewww ..) attractive. but I accept that the rest of the world wasn't modelled on my own undeniable perfection.

(Euro backpackers with hairy legs - regardless of how attractive they might be from the thighs up - freak me out. I dont have a problem with natural pubic regions, but anything below that needs to be mown on a regular basis IMO)

You mean you like the guys to shave their legs.

Don't think I've ever seen that in my whole life.

[boosta]

I've had many Thai girls ask my why I don't have my body hair removed, apparently full-body's not that unusual here.

If they're honest they'll tell you most think excessive (from their POV) body hair is gross.

Of course all the hirsute posters here have been told the opposite for decades and believed it.

My girls like their men fat and bald and wearing glasses, really into control freaks too, oh yes. . .

[Rimmer]

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