Death Toll in Egyptian Crisis Rises

[Scott]

The death toll in the Egyptian crisis has now risen to 638.

http://news.yahoo.com/death-toll-egypt-violence-rises-638-193545514.html

[MB1]

Lets hope it doesn't go like Syria, the whole areas seems like a powder keg waiting to blow up....Enough is enough and plenty needs to be done in an area that has seen more problems and deaths than are acceptable, what the solution is I don't know but I sincerely hope the bloodshed ends and soon..

[Robby nz]

No thank you not in Thailand.

Should be required reading for all Thai pollies, red shirts, military chiefs and protesters of any sort in this country.

Don't let it happen here.

It also shows what could have been with more heavy handedness in putting down the red riots.

[webfact]

EGYPT
Thais safe, says ministry; Egypt death toll tops 460
The Nation, Agencies
Cairo

Surapong says no need for evacuation as Thais not living near site of protests

CAIRO: -- At least 464 people have been killed across Egypt in violence sparked by Wednesday's crackdown on the protest camps of supporters of ousted Islamist president Mohamed Morsi, government officials said yesterday.

A number of Thai students in Cairo sought to return home, but there was no need for an evacuation of Thai expatriates in the country, Foreign Minister Surapong Tovichakchaikul said. He added that most Thais do not live in areas where clashes occurred between protesters and police.

The foreign minister said the Thai Embassy in Cairo would assess the situation daily to determine whether Thais living in Egypt should be evacuated.

All Thais living in Egypt are currently safe, according to Manasvi Srisodapol, Department of Information director-general, who serves as a spokesman for the Foreign Ministry.

He said the ministry was concerned about the situation in Egypt and hoped that peace would soon be restored through a dialogue involving all the concerned parties.

The Thai Embassy has advised Thai nationals to avoid nine locations considered to be unsafe: Autostrad Rd in Cairo; Bahr Aazam in Giza; El Gamaa Bridge in Giza; and the 6th October Bridge, 15th May Bridge, Kasr el Nile Bridge, Salah Salem Rd, Marghani Rd and 7 Omarat Square in Heliopolis.

At least 421 civilians died in Wednesday's violence, Egyptian Health Ministry spokesman Mohammed Fathallah said. He said 137 people had been killed in the main Rabaa al-Adawiya camp, which pro-Morsi protesters had occupied for weeks.

At the smaller of the two encampments in Nahda square, 57 people were killed, while 227 died in the rest of the country, he said. The Interior Ministry said 43 policemen had also been killed.

The number of injured in the previous day's violence has also risen to 3,572, according to another Health Ministry spokesman, Khaled el-Khateeb.

Wednesday's violence began when police moved to clear two sit-in camps in Cairo by supporters of Mohammed Morsi, ousted in a military coup on July 3. The clashes there later spread to elsewhere in Cairo and a string of other cities.

The violence prompted the government to declare a nationwide, month-long state of emergency.

The worst violence since Egypt's 2011 uprising against Hosni Mubarak has deepened the conflict between the country's two main camps, led by the army and the Brotherhood.

The police attack on Islamists followed failed efforts to mediate the stand-off by diplomats from the US and European Union, which both condemned the killings.

Prime Minister Hazem El-Beblawi and Interior Minister Mohamed Ibrahim defended the crackdown in a televised addresses, saying all other options to save Egypt from mayhem had been exhausted. "It was necessary to take a firm stand," El-Beblawi said. "When things spiral out of control, that's unacceptable."

-- The Nation 2013-08-16

[Scott]

A troll post has been deleted.

This is not just Muslim on Muslim violence. The Christian Community is also suffering:

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/08/15/egypts-christians-under-pressure-as-churches-are-torched/?iref=storysearch

[Steely Dan]

If you roll back to 2009 Egypt was controlled by a military strongman, he had cooperated with the U.S for decades and Sinai was largely trouble free. Roll on the removal of Mubarak and the Muslim brotherhood coming to power, the results were catastrophic.

Christians were murdered, their women raped, daughters abducted, churches burnt. Women in general were no longer safe to go out in public alone. Sinai was taken over by Islamists, the economy was left in ruins.

Bloody though the fallout from the removal of the brotherhood is, I suspect that in the long run their removal was indeed vital. The problem for the west is a one time ally won't speak to the U.S, is being bankrolled by Saudi Arabia and is negotiating arms,deals with Russia. It was all so unnecessary too, endorsing Islamist governments and expecting to control the outcome is folly of the highest order.

[F430murci]

A troll post has been deleted.

This is not just Muslim on Muslim violence. The Christian Community is also suffering:

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/08/15/egypts-christians-under-pressure-as-churches-are-torched/?iref=storysearch

There is definitely a bigger picture and apparently bigger concerns down the road in many respects. I just don't have time to weed through everything and learn about situation or what is rhetoric or reality. I did listen to a panel the other night and even an Egyptian expert and scholar that was defending brother hood and Obama's role in inserting Morsi admitted some pretty disconcerting scenarios and details as to implications here.

Really awful situation and this country is destined to become a huge mess with a failed economy for a long time now that tourism will be virtually non existant for perhaps years. The economic issues will only add to the plight, anger and potential radicalization.

http://guardianlv.com/2013/07/muhamed-morsi-accused-of-plotting-with-hamas-muslim-brotherhood-labelled-terrorists-by-egyptian-military/

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Muslim-Brotherhood-and-Morsi-supporters-torch-Egyptian-churches-323096

http://iphone.france24.com/en/20130705-morsi-egypt-muslim-brotherhood-islamist-al-qaeda-jihadist

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/16062-christians-attacked-in-egypt-by-muslim-brotherhood-supporters

[F430murci]

Friday of Rage': Egypt's Islamists call for millions to take to streets following slaughter

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/16/20047326-friday-of-rage-egypts-islamists-call-for-millions-to-take-to-streets-following-slaughter?lite

[midas]

If you roll back to 2009 Egypt was controlled by a military strongman, he had cooperated with the U.S for decades and Sinai was largely trouble free. Roll on the removal of Mubarak and the Muslim brotherhood coming to power, the results were catastrophic.

Christians were murdered, their women raped, daughters abducted, churches burnt. Women in general were no longer safe to go out in public alone. Sinai was taken over by Islamists, the economy was left in ruins.

Bloody though the fallout from the removal of the brotherhood is, I suspect that in the long run their removal was indeed vital. The problem for the west is a one time ally won't speak to the U.S, is being bankrolled by Saudi Arabia and is negotiating arms,deals with Russia. It was all so unnecessary too,

endorsing Islamist governments and expecting to control the outcome is folly of the highest order.

“ I suspect that in the long run their removal was indeed vital. “

I don't understand? Vital for whom ? The majority of the country voted in a president in an internationally monitored election that wasn't challenged by these monitors at that time? No election monitors claimed there were any irregularities. So who is it for anyone else in the world to say Morsi wasn't the right man - at least until the end of his term ?

Of course the answer to that is pretty clear by the fact that it was clearly a military coup and yet is not being called so, for obvious reasons. The whole thing stinks

[Steely Dan]

If you roll back to 2009 Egypt was controlled by a military strongman, he had cooperated with the U.S for decades and Sinai was largely trouble free. Roll on the removal of Mubarak and the Muslim brotherhood coming to power, the results were catastrophic.

Christians were murdered, their women raped, daughters abducted, churches burnt. Women in general were no longer safe to go out in public alone. Sinai was taken over by Islamists, the economy was left in ruins.

Bloody though the fallout from the removal of the brotherhood is, I suspect that in the long run their removal was indeed vital. The problem for the west is a one time ally won't speak to the U.S, is being bankrolled by Saudi Arabia and is negotiating arms,deals with Russia. It was all so unnecessary too,

endorsing Islamist governments and expecting to control the outcome is folly of the highest order.

“ I suspect that in the long run their removal was indeed vital. “

I don't understand? Vital for whom ? The majority of the country voted in a president in an internationally monitored election that wasn't challenged by these monitors at that time? No election monitors claimed there were any irregularities. So who is it for anyone else in the world to say Morsi wasn't the right man - at least until the end of his term ?

Of course the answer to that is pretty clear by the fact that it was clearly a military coup and yet is not being called so, for obvious reasons. The whole thing stinks

Vital for whom? I'd have thought that was obvious,vital for all Coptic Christians, the majority of women with aspirations to be other than chattels, anybody trying to run a business. The Brotherhood have been around for years, hence they were organized enough to win the election before any opposition had chance to form, but instead of a gradual transition Mubarak was got rid of too quickly. The brotherhood are a truly evil and odious shower. Have you read about their torture chambers or the systematic attempts to scapegoat the Coptic Christians. As a reminder from history the national socialists won an election in Germany, pity they weren't ousted.

http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/Hoekstra-Egypt-Mideast-US/2013/08/15/id/520702?promo_code=E700-1&utm_source=Front_Page_Mag&utm_medium=nmwidget&utm_campaign=widgetphase1

[Phronesis]

Smells like civil war to me.

[zydeco]

I just want my country, the US, to stay out of it. It's Europe's problem, if it's any outsider's problem at all.

[midas]

If you roll back to 2009 Egypt was controlled by a military strongman, he had cooperated with the U.S for decades and Sinai was largely trouble free. Roll on the removal of Mubarak and the Muslim brotherhood coming to power, the results were catastrophic.

Christians were murdered, their women raped, daughters abducted, churches burnt. Women in general were no longer safe to go out in public alone. Sinai was taken over by Islamists, the economy was left in ruins.

Bloody though the fallout from the removal of the brotherhood is, I suspect that in the long run their removal was indeed vital. The problem for the west is a one time ally won't speak to the U.S, is being bankrolled by Saudi Arabia and is negotiating arms,deals with Russia. It was all so unnecessary too,

endorsing Islamist governments and expecting to control the outcome is folly of the highest order.

“ I suspect that in the long run their removal was indeed vital. “

I don't understand? Vital for whom ? The majority of the country voted in a president in an internationally monitored election that wasn't challenged by these monitors at that time? No election monitors claimed there were any irregularities. So who is it for anyone else in the world to say Morsi wasn't the right man - at least until the end of his term ?

Of course the answer to that is pretty clear by the fact that it was clearly a military coup and yet is not being called so, for obvious reasons. The whole thing stinks

Vital for whom? I'd have thought that was obvious,vital for all Coptic Christians, the majority of women with aspirations to be other than chattels, anybody trying to run a business. The Brotherhood have been around for years, hence they were organized enough to win the election before any opposition had chance to form, but instead of a gradual transition Mubarak was got rid of too quickly. The brotherhood are a truly evil and odious shower. Have you read about their torture chambers or the systematic attempts to scapegoat the Coptic Christians. As a reminder from history the national socialists won an election in Germany, pity they weren't ousted.

http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/Hoekstra-Egypt-Mideast-US/2013/08/15/id/520702?promo_code=E700-1&utm_source=Front_Page_Mag&utm_medium=nmwidget&utm_campaign=widgetphase1

But why should the interests of these people be more important than the majority of citizens who voted for Morsi in a free and open election? The people you mention constituted a minority ? And at the end of Mosri’s term, they would have had the chance to vote him out of office?

[jamhar]

I just want my country, the US, to stay out of it. It's Europe's problem, if it's any outsider's problem at all.

We tried that neutrality stuff in the 1930's. See what that got us!

In this case i'm inclined to agree tho. Let the rich middle east countries deal with it. or ultimately the EU.

IMO, civil war was going to be hard to avoid. Several factions that dont mind dying in a fight. For the US, almost no upside in getting involved, a TON of downside. Do what the Saudi and Kuwaiti do most of the time, let them fight. If the rich middle east counties aren't interested, why should we be?

[jamhar]

If you roll back to 2009 Egypt was controlled by a military strongman, he had cooperated with the U.S for decades and Sinai was largely trouble free. Roll on the removal of Mubarak and the Muslim brotherhood coming to power, the results were catastrophic.

Christians were murdered, their women raped, daughters abducted, churches burnt. Women in general were no longer safe to go out in public alone. Sinai was taken over by Islamists, the economy was left in ruins.

Bloody though the fallout from the removal of the brotherhood is, I suspect that in the long run their removal was indeed vital. The problem for the west is a one time ally won't speak to the U.S, is being bankrolled by Saudi Arabia and is negotiating arms,deals with Russia. It was all so unnecessary too, endorsing Islamist governments and expecting to control the outcome is folly of the highest order.

SD, it doenst seem to matter who influenced the area before, Soviet, US or other.

The entire area has turned into a powder keg.

Or more precisely, anywhere that Islamist gains a foothold turns into a powder keg.

[NeverSure]

And... As recently as last month, the Obama Administration planned to sell 20 F-16 fighter jets and some Abrams tank parts to Egypt. The Obama administration is as blind as a bat.

July 11, 2013 - CNN

"Until Thursday, all indications had been that the deliveries would go through as part of a $1.3 billion 2010 military aid package that called for 20 F-16s and Abrams tank parts to be sent to Egypt. A second Pentagon official had previously said the deliveries "were on track.""

I shudder to think what those fighters and tanks would have been used for.

[Scott]

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There is no problem with expressing your opinion about the crisis in Egypt.

[Credo]

I don't think the US can stay out of the Egyptian crisis because of it's support for Israel as well as strategic importance of the Suez Canal. Egypt is geographically an important country.

[simple1]

Smells like civil war to me.

The Egyptian military & police have a very long history of crushing Islamic militancy, including the extensive use of torture. Islamic extremist terror attacks, probably yes, civil war - no

[simple1]

And... As recently as last month, the Obama Administration planned to sell 20 F-16 fighter jets and some Abrams tank parts to Egypt. The Obama administration is as blind as a bat.

July 11, 2013 - CNN

"Until Thursday, all indications had been that the deliveries would go through as part of a $1.3 billion 2010 military aid package that called for 20 F-16s and Abrams tank parts to be sent to Egypt. A second Pentagon official had previously said the deliveries "were on track.""

I shudder to think what those fighters and tanks would have been used for.

Need to ask yourself the same question as why the US is shipping the same technology to Saudi Arabia

[Ulysses G.]

If you roll back to 2009 Egypt was controlled by a military strongman, he had cooperated with the U.S for decades and Sinai was largely trouble free. Roll on the removal of Mubarak and the Muslim brotherhood coming to power, the results were catastrophic.

Christians were murdered, their women raped, daughters abducted, churches burnt. Women in general were no longer safe to go out in public alone. Sinai was taken over by Islamists, the economy was left in ruins.

Bloody though the fallout from the removal of the brotherhood is, I suspect that in the long run their removal was indeed vital. The problem for the west is a one time ally won't speak to the U.S, is being bankrolled by Saudi Arabia and is negotiating arms,deals with Russia. It was all so unnecessary too,

endorsing Islamist governments and expecting to control the outcome is folly of the highest order.

“ I suspect that in the long run their removal was indeed vital. “

I don't understand? Vital for whom ? The majority of the country voted in a president in an internationally monitored election that wasn't challenged by these monitors at that time? No election monitors claimed there were any irregularities. So who is it for anyone else in the world to say Morsi wasn't the right man - at least until the end of his term ?

Of course the answer to that is pretty clear by the fact that it was clearly a military coup and yet is not being called so, for obvious reasons. The whole thing stinks

Vital for whom? I'd have thought that was obvious,vital for all Coptic Christians, the majority of women with aspirations to be other than chattels, anybody trying to run a business. The Brotherhood have been around for years, hence they were organized enough to win the election before any opposition had chance to form, but instead of a gradual transition Mubarak was got rid of too quickly. The brotherhood are a truly evil and odious shower. Have you read about their torture chambers or the systematic attempts to scapegoat the Coptic Christians. As a reminder from history the national socialists won an election in Germany, pity they weren't ousted.

http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/Hoekstra-Egypt-Mideast-US/2013/08/15/id/520702?promo_code=E700-1&utm_source=Front_Page_Mag&utm_medium=nmwidget&utm_campaign=widgetphase1

But why should the interests of these people be more important than the majority of citizens who voted for Morsi in a free and open election? The people you mention constituted a minority ? And at the end of Mosri’s term, they would have had the chance to vote him out of office?

Vote him out of office? The Muslim Brotherhood were doing everything they could to undermine democracy. The people of Egypt wanted to get rid of these hateful tyrants before it was too late and the army gave them a hand.

[simple1]

If you roll back to 2009 Egypt was controlled by a military strongman, he had cooperated with the U.S for decades and Sinai was largely trouble free. Roll on the removal of Mubarak and the Muslim brotherhood coming to power, the results were catastrophic.

Christians were murdered, their women raped, daughters abducted, churches burnt. Women in general were no longer safe to go out in public alone. Sinai was taken over by Islamists, the economy was left in ruins.

Bloody though the fallout from the removal of the brotherhood is, I suspect that in the long run their removal was indeed vital. The problem for the west is a one time ally won't speak to the U.S, is being bankrolled by Saudi Arabia and is negotiating arms,deals with Russia. It was all so unnecessary too,

endorsing Islamist governments and expecting to control the outcome is folly of the highest order.

“ I suspect that in the long run their removal was indeed vital. “

I don't understand? Vital for whom ? The majority of the country voted in a president in an internationally monitored election that wasn't challenged by these monitors at that time? No election monitors claimed there were any irregularities. So who is it for anyone else in the world to say Morsi wasn't the right man - at least until the end of his term ?

Of course the answer to that is pretty clear by the fact that it was clearly a military coup and yet is not being called so, for obvious reasons. The whole thing stinks

Vital for whom? I'd have thought that was obvious,vital for all Coptic Christians, the majority of women with aspirations to be other than chattels, anybody trying to run a business. The Brotherhood have been around for years, hence they were organized enough to win the election before any opposition had chance to form, but instead of a gradual transition Mubarak was got rid of too quickly. The brotherhood are a truly evil and odious shower. Have you read about their torture chambers or the systematic attempts to scapegoat the Coptic Christians. As a reminder from history the national socialists won an election in Germany, pity they weren't ousted.

http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/Hoekstra-Egypt-Mideast-US/2013/08/15/id/520702?promo_code=E700-1&utm_source=Front_Page_Mag&utm_medium=nmwidget&utm_campaign=widgetphase1

The Mubarak dictatorship also suppressed the Coptics. Some days ago the leader of the Coptic Church stated support for the crushing of the Morsi government, so its hardly surprising that their has been an esculation of attacks on Coptic institutions and businesses. Don't know the detail, but you would think the Coptic Church would endeavour to remain neutral. As you know the Egyption security forces have institutionalised the use of torture for years; very well know by the US as they used Egypt (amongst other countries) for torturing detainees during the rendition program

[ronz28]

Al Jazeera pulled the plug on its youtube videos of news from Egypt, etc. to the US. Here is all we get now... http://gigaom.com/2013/08/16/al-jazeera-youtube-videos-livestream-blocked/

[Steely Dan]

And... As recently as last month, the Obama Administration planned to sell 20 F-16 fighter jets and some Abrams tank parts to Egypt. The Obama administration is as blind as a bat.

July 11, 2013 - CNN

"Until Thursday, all indications had been that the deliveries would go through as part of a $1.3 billion 2010 military aid package that called for 20 F-16s and Abrams tank parts to be sent to Egypt. A second Pentagon official had previously said the deliveries "were on track.""

I shudder to think what those fighters and tanks would have been used for.

Let's just say aside from the obvious calls by some Brotherhood members to invade Israel there were calls to intervene in Syria and to evn attack Ethiopia due to plans they had concerning the Nile.

[Steely Dan]

Al Jazeera pulled the plug on its youtube videos of news from Egypt, etc. to the US. Here is all we get now... http://gigaom.com/2013/08/16/al-jazeera-youtube-videos-livestream-blocked/

Very interesting, I think it worth mentioning that recently 22 Al Jazeera staff resigned en masse due to the networks pro-Muslim brotherhood bias.

[lemoncake]

I said it before and will say it again, this part of the world is not ready for democracy and can only survive through dictatorship.

Mistake was removing Mubarack, perhaps many see it now.

It will take many more deaths for someone to really crack down and take over the power.

US will always be blamed for whatever happens in the region. If US does not do anything, it gets blamed and if it does, also gets the blame.

Watching some footage on Al Jazeera really makes you wonder what some people over there are thinking.

Just last night was an interesting interview with a woman, who claimed to be wealthy and have it all. She claimed she was against Brotherhood but now was on the streets demonstrating against the military, because she felt she had no freedom..

To me it really makes no sense, if she was against Brotherhood who now has been dismissed, why would she be against those who pushed out brotherhood?!

The next one, was also a woman who was in the mosque. Reporter asked her on what were her and others plans on coming out?

She stated, they did not trust the police to let them leave but had no plans what so ever. When reporter asked how long they planning to stay as there was no water or food, she just hung up the phone.

Call it whatever you like, but to me it sounds like, many many confused people with no idea what they want or what they doing

[simple1]

I said it before and will say it again, this part of the world is not ready for democracy and can only survive through dictatorship.

Mistake was removing Mubarack, perhaps many see it now.

It will take many more deaths for someone to really crack down and take over the power.

US will always be blamed for whatever happens in the region. If US does not do anything, it gets blamed and if it does, also gets the blame.

Watching some footage on Al Jazeera really makes you wonder what some people over there are thinking.

Just last night was an interesting interview with a woman, who claimed to be wealthy and have it all. She claimed she was against Brotherhood but now was on the streets demonstrating against the military, because she felt she had no freedom..

To me it really makes no sense, if she was against Brotherhood who now has been dismissed, why would she be against those who pushed out brotherhood?!

The next one, was also a woman who was in the mosque. Reporter asked her on what were her and others plans on coming out?

She stated, they did not trust the police to let them leave but had no plans what so ever. When reporter asked how long they planning to stay as there was no water or food, she just hung up the phone.

Call it whatever you like, but to me it sounds like, many many confused people with no idea what they want or what they doing

My 2 cents worth...

For the woman who is against the Muslim Brotherhood, she will have limited options at the next election and whoever gets in power will be yet another de facto dictatorship supported by the military, hence going around in circles & "no freedom".

Woman in the mosque, as a believer in the Islamic faith, would most likely be thinking, "Allah will provide" so why are you posing such a stupid question.

[lemoncake]

I said it before and will say it again, this part of the world is not ready for democracy and can only survive through dictatorship.

Mistake was removing Mubarack, perhaps many see it now.

It will take many more deaths for someone to really crack down and take over the power.

US will always be blamed for whatever happens in the region. If US does not do anything, it gets blamed and if it does, also gets the blame.

Watching some footage on Al Jazeera really makes you wonder what some people over there are thinking.

Just last night was an interesting interview with a woman, who claimed to be wealthy and have it all. She claimed she was against Brotherhood but now was on the streets demonstrating against the military, because she felt she had no freedom..

To me it really makes no sense, if she was against Brotherhood who now has been dismissed, why would she be against those who pushed out brotherhood?!

The next one, was also a woman who was in the mosque. Reporter asked her on what were her and others plans on coming out?

She stated, they did not trust the police to let them leave but had no plans what so ever. When reporter asked how long they planning to stay as there was no water or food, she just hung up the phone.

Call it whatever you like, but to me it sounds like, many many confused people with no idea what they want or what they doing

My 2 cents worth...

For the woman who is against the Muslim Brotherhood, she will have limited options at the next election and whoever gets in power will be yet another de facto dictatorship supported by the military, hence going around in circles & "no freedom".

Woman in the mosque, as a believer in the Islamic faith, would most likely be thinking, "Allah will provide" so why are you posing such a stupid question.

Let me get this right. Me posing a question is stupid but you guessing what she thought is smart??

Would be good if you kept up with news to know what is actually taking place.

There were many held up in mosque because they were there for the funeral, they then refused to disperse and decided to stay in mosque believing security forces would not be entering

[Scott]

Keep the discussion civil and don't put words in another poster's mouth.

[simple1]

I said it before and will say it again, this part of the world is not ready for democracy and can only survive through dictatorship.

Mistake was removing Mubarack, perhaps many see it now.

It will take many more deaths for someone to really crack down and take over the power.

US will always be blamed for whatever happens in the region. If US does not do anything, it gets blamed and if it does, also gets the blame.

Watching some footage on Al Jazeera really makes you wonder what some people over there are thinking.

Just last night was an interesting interview with a woman, who claimed to be wealthy and have it all. She claimed she was against Brotherhood but now was on the streets demonstrating against the military, because she felt she had no freedom..

To me it really makes no sense, if she was against Brotherhood who now has been dismissed, why would she be against those who pushed out brotherhood?!

The next one, was also a woman who was in the mosque. Reporter asked her on what were her and others plans on coming out?

She stated, they did not trust the police to let them leave but had no plans what so ever. When reporter asked how long they planning to stay as there was no water or food, she just hung up the phone.

Call it whatever you like, but to me it sounds like, many many confused people with no idea what they want or what they doing

My 2 cents worth...

For the woman who is against the Muslim Brotherhood, she will have limited options at the next election and whoever gets in power will be yet another de facto dictatorship supported by the military, hence going around in circles & "no freedom".

Woman in the mosque, as a believer in the Islamic faith, would most likely be thinking, "Allah will provide so why are you posing such a stupid question".

Let me get this right. Me posing a question is stupid but you guessing what she thought is smart??

Would be good if you kept up with news to know what is actually taking place.

There were many held up in mosque because they were there for the funeral, they then refused to disperse and decided to stay in mosque believing security forces would not be entering

I did not infer or state your post was stupid, just commenting with some scenarios, unfortunately I misplaced the quotation marks, now rectified above. Your history of consistently posting argumentative / inflamatory responses is extremely tiresome.