Steel Window Frame - Is this secure?

[Neeranam]

Does this look safe and secure to you?

The steel bar is riveted to an aluminium window frame.

The cost is only 900 baht.

How much did you pay for your window bars?

Did you get them screwed into the concrete wall or the window frame?

[Satcommlee]

Don't forget to round off the screw heads so that the burglar cant simply unscrew them.

edit: oops! just re-read that they were riveted..

Edited August 26, 2013 by Satcommlee

[stoneyboy]

Does this look safe and secure to you?

The steel bar is riveted to an aluminium window frame.

The cost is only 900 baht.

How much did you pay for your window bars?

Did you get them screwed into the concrete wall or the window frame?

Not at all,if you wanted to be a professional thief you could drill the rivets out with a battery drill in about 2 minutes.

Personally if I was breaking in I would just rip it off physically.

[stoneyboy]

Don't forget to round off the screw heads so that the burglar cant simply unscrew them.

I'm sure he said rivets.

[Crossy]

A good tug will have that off, should have been attached to the wall.

That said, it would discourage the opportunist thief.

[stoneyboy]

A good tug will have that off, should have been attached to the wall.

That said, it would discourage the opportunist thief.

Yes it may act as a deterrent but it's very week given that its aluminium as I'm sure the rivets are as well.

Worst you could do is have four lugs welded on and bolt it to the wall to beef it up.

[Neeranam]

A good tug will have that off, should have been attached to the wall.

That said, it would discourage the opportunist thief.

Yes it may act as a deterrent but it's very week given that its aluminium as I'm sure the rivets are as well.

Worst you could do is have four lugs welded on and bolt it to the wall to beef it up.

I agree. That's a good idea. Also, maybe I could move it to the inside.

[Soutpeel]

A good tug will have that off, should have been attached to the wall.

That said, it would discourage the opportunist thief.

the first mistake I see is that its installed on the exterior of the window, screwed/riveted to aluminum about 1 minute to tear it off with a screw driver as a lever.

First lesson I learned with burgler bars was install them on the interior of the window not on the outside.

Even putting lugs on them as is and scewing to the concrete, you would be suprised what one can do with a car wheel jack...

[Pib]

Even decorative bars on the inside of the windows like I have on many of my downstairs windows won't stop the thief "intent" on getting in your house. All they need is bolt cutters to quickly get through inside or outside bars along with a little noise in breaking the window. As Crossy said, bars pretty much "discourage the opportunist thief."

With above being said the type of bars in the OP's picture is very common on many Thai homes...it's what my mother in law out in the province and several of her neighbors have on their windows. Do have them screwed in very securely preferably with screw heads not made to be unscrewed or made to where its very hard to unscrew them...or to remove rivets (i.e., make it dam_n hard to remove the screws/rivets)...some people even have the screws spot welded to the bars. Make it so anyone intent in getting in your residence has to bring along the bolt cutters...many times that will be enough to discourage many thieves.

[edwinchester]

Last year in our village a guys house was broken into. He had good bars on the windows so they went through one of the walls with an angle grinder!!!

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[Pib]

Last year in our village a guys house was broken into. He had good bars on the windows so they went through one of the walls with an angle grinder!!!

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dam_n...and an angle grinder makes some serious noise and requires electricity...not only did they rob him but they used his electricity to make it all possible...might be time to get rid of that outdoor electrical outlet.

[wayned]

My security bars in my house in a remote village are on he inside secured to the concrete walls with bolts and anchors. I'm not sure why we have them as it makes it impossible to clean the windows and my truck and motorbike sit in the unlocked carport with keys in the ignition 24/7. Been here 15 years and have never had anything stolen, borrowed,and not returned, yes, but not stolen.

My townhouse in Bangkok also has security bars. They are installed in the wooden window frames with screws. During the 2011 flood my neighbor refused to leave and unscrewed the bars on the second story bedroom window of our house so he could use the bedrooms and the fridge which we moved upstairs. He had even set up a makeshift kitchen on my carport roof. Again nothing stolen just a big mess! Although there was 173 cm of water in the house they never did turn off the electric.

[Soutpeel]

All they need is bolt cutters to quickly get through inside or outside bars along with a little noise in breaking the window. As Crossy said, bars pretty much "discourage the opportunist thief."

Which brings me neatly to soutie's 2nd thing he learned about burgler bars....burgler bars made 0.5" round bar (which normally the typical diameter) is a complete waste of time if the said respecting tea leaf turns up with a master key...ie bolt cutters as you have correctly said...

The cleverest solution I ever came across was what a buddy of mine installed on his window's internally, used 3.0mm thick, 1.0" flat bar, strips secured indvidually in the frame edges, each strip was laced into the other creating a "cottage pane" effect and painted brown, so it looked like wood... bolt cutter cant cut them and because the strip were secured only around the edge, anyone trying to take a hack saw to them created one h*ll of racket.

but as has been stated through this thread, it doesnt matter what you do, if some one really wants to get into your place they will...

[Soutpeel]

Last year in our village a guys house was broken into. He had good bars on the windows so they went through one of the walls with an angle grinder!!!

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dam_n...and an angle grinder makes some serious noise and requires electricity...not only did they rob him but they used his electricity to make it all possible...might be time to get rid of that outdoor electrical outlet.

not if the thief turned up with one of these has battery was charged...

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Ryobi-One-18-Volt-4-1-2-in-Angle-Grinder-Tool-Only-P421/100519983

[wayned]

Had a Thai friend that ran the local building supply yard.. He was doing good so he built a new house with the shop downstairs and living quarter upstairs. He installed good security doors down and security bars on the upstairs windows, no exits. A few months after he completed the structure, there was an electrical short downstairs and he and his family died of smoke inhalation since he could not exit the barred windows upstairs. You really need to plan the security keeping in mind safety.

Don't lock yourself into a "death trap' for security sake!

Edited August 28, 2013 by wayned

[meatboy]

we are having all our windows and doors replaced with aluminium ones,we spoke with the fitters regarding changeing the security bars that are all fitted on the inside,his words why bother with the extra expence as you have had maxwell security mortion sensors fitted all around the house.he said he will show me how easy it is to get in with the bars fitted.every window and rooms are covered plus the kitchen roof,that is their favourite way in,all the house covered no wireing 8sensors plus box and calls to your mobile if out 42,000bht.

[wayned]

The sad part about my earlier post is that my friend and his family died in the fire, except one son that was away in college in Bangkok. This son has rebuilt the house, got married with a newborn baby and is living in the same conditions that took his family's life. I've spoken to him numerous times about opening an exit from the second story, but he just smiles and shrugs his shoulders. Language is not a problem, but the concept is an it's beyond belief .

[meatboy]

The sad part about my earlier post is that my friend and his family died in the fire, except one son that was away in college in Bangkok. This son has rebuilt the house, got married with a newborn baby and is living in the same conditions that took his family's life. I've spoken to him numerous times about opening an exit from the second story, but he just smiles and shrugs his shoulders. Language is not a problem, but the concept is an it's beyond belief .

sad as it is but i have learned this is the thai way," let it happen first"

[Mike45]

The sad part about my earlier post is that my friend and his family died in the fire, except one son that was away in college in Bangkok. This son has rebuilt the house, got married with a newborn baby and is living in the same conditions that took his family's life. I've spoken to him numerous times about opening an exit from the second story, but he just smiles and shrugs his shoulders. Language is not a problem, but the concept is an it's beyond belief .

How about smoke detectors? Don't they sell them and don't you guys have them in your houses?

[h90]

for us it is screwed into the aluminum. It would only stop some narcotic guys. but on the other side. Take this off, than you have a locked window next.

It takes time and makes noise and the neighbor has nothing on the window.

[kyrre]

If anyone really want to get in they do, security is only for buying time, creating noice and maybe stop the opportunist thieves

Same goes for the alarm, the sign scare off most, and the pros don't care because the know hot to bypass or the time frame they have to get in/out.

Best way to avoid is to not have valuables easily sighted, but with a top of the line imported car in the driveway you should also think that there are some valuables inside to...