ttthailand Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Lets give the BIB a few suggestions on how we would fight crime in Pattaya. Perhaps they will read this and make a few changes. Two suggestions: 1. Set up sting operations to get the drive by gold thieves. Have undercover officers wearing big gold chains walking around or hanging out in known crime areas. When the thieves make their move have a team grab them. After a few of these arrests are put on Thai TV the would be thieves might think twice as they don't know who they are robbing. 2. Have pairs of police walking the beat or riding bikes in known areas of crime. Beach road should have at least 10 officers, 5 pairs. Perhaps move a few day officers to evening shift. Useful comments and suggestions only please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Sting operations are risky for both the officer involved but also for budget vs reward - they consume many man hours, in this case for what is basically a low level crime. IMO: For a start - it would be better to find someway of getting the police officers to 'care' about what they are doing in the first place. Many BiB are in the job for the 'cash' opportunity. The only solution I see is to raise bar on entry level and raise the salary. To raise the salary of the average police officer the public coffers need to be topped up. To top up the public coffers more taxes must be paid. Thus: To improve policing - the payment of taxes must be enforced. In the short term: More 'proactive' officers 'on the beat' with the freedom to act on their own intuition seems like a good idea, but with dirt in the system giving the BiB such freedom also provides an opportunity for further shakedown... Unfortunately: Catch 22 until the national culture towards acceptance of corruption and avoidance of confrontation change, which IMO takes a few generations... Its changing slowly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya Pat Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Why does everyone on here insist on calling the police 'BIB' Is it meant to be cool or funny? I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttthailand Posted September 12, 2013 Author Share Posted September 12, 2013 Sting operations are risky for both the officer involved but also for budget vs reward - they consume many man hours, in this case for what is basically a low level crime. IMO: For a start - it would be better to find someway of getting the police officers to 'care' about what they are doing in the first place. Many BiB are in the job for the 'cash' opportunity. The only solution I see is to raise bar on entry level and raise the salary. To raise the salary of the average police officer the public coffers need to be topped up. To top up the public coffers more taxes must be paid. Thus: To improve policing - the payment of taxes must be enforced. In the short term: More 'proactive' officers 'on the beat' with the freedom to act on their own intuition seems like a good idea, but with dirt in the system giving the BiB such freedom also provides an opportunity for further shakedown... Unfortunately: Catch 22 until the national culture towards acceptance of corruption and avoidance of confrontation change, which IMO takes a few generations... Its changing slowly. I think you make a lot of good points. I do think however that the effort put into sting operations would be helpful. There are drive by purse and gold robberies happening every day in Thailand. There has also been a few tourists killed during these robberies. It only takes a few arrests and the word gets out to the thieves. Once the word got out of a few arrests in Pattaya it could prevent robberies in Bangkok , Chang Mai, and Phuket. Prevention is I believe the best way and educating the public and making the thieves aware that there is a possible added risk could do nothing but help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LennyW Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Why does everyone on here insist on calling the police 'BIB' Is it meant to be cool or funny? I don't get it. Because it's quicker than writing Boys in Brown. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwex Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 the police take far more then a few chain theives ever will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gsxrnz Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 (edited) Why does everyone on here insist on calling the police 'BIB' Is it meant to be cool or funny? I don't get it. Because using the word "police" would be a gross misuse of a word, and even if it were slanged as "cops" it would still associate them with a semblance of organised crime prevention and protection of the public. BIB is the perfect description as it has become synonymous with the level and quality of service they provide. I can think of no other possible description - and whoever first coined the phrase BIB should be praised for not calling them MIB - Muppets in Brown. Edited September 12, 2013 by Gsxrnz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Well if they go for the "Gold Necklace" thieves suppose the could do no better than hiring B.A. Baracus as a target. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickOfEm Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 The OP lives in cuckoo land if he thinks the Police give a toss what he or anyone else thinks they should/could do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya28 Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 The bottom line is "budget". The BIB are low paid. Important job. Teachers are low paid. Important job. I can go on and on and on. This is Thailand. Don't compare Thailand in any way with Western Europe USA or Australia. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkokstick Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Do you really think that they are waiting for your ideas ? These foreigners are funny... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gone Posted September 13, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2013 Might be easier if we try to change water into wine. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavefloater Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 (edited) Why does everyone on here insist on calling the police 'BIB' Is it meant to be cool or funny? I don't get it. Because using the word "police" would be a gross misuse of a word, and even if it were slanged as "cops" it would still associate them with a semblance of organised crime prevention and protection of the public. BIB is the perfect description as it has become synonymous with the level and quality of service they provide. I can think of no other possible description - and whoever first coined the phrase BIB should be praised for not calling them MIB - Muppets in Brown. How about CIB -- Clowns in Brown It even has that rhyming thing going for it. As for the topic of the OP, there's an old saying that I think would apply here. " You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink." Edited September 13, 2013 by Wavefloater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMGImInPattaya Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Why does everyone on here insist on calling the police 'BIB' Is it meant to be cool or funny? I don't get it. Because using the word "police" would be a gross misuse of a word, and even if it were slanged as "cops" it would still associate them with a semblance of organised crime prevention and protection of the public. BIB is the perfect description as it has become synonymous with the level and quality of service they provide. I can think of no other possible description - and whoever first coined the phrase BIB should be praised for not calling them MIB - Muppets in Brown. How about CIB -- Clowns in Brown It even has that rhyming thing going for it. As for the topic of the OP, there's an old saying that I think would apply here. " You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink." Can't because its reserved for About 80% of visitors and 50% of the expat residents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummiebob Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I've seen songtaew bus in Bangkok where the bottom part of the seats back are completely covered, that would solve the drive by snatching of bags from under the seat problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgphuket Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 The bottom line is "budget". The BIB are low paid. Important job. Teachers are low paid. Important job. I can go on and on and on. This is Thailand. Don't compare Thailand in any way with Western Europe USA or Australia. True, In my personal opinion, the people in Thailand with money are the most useless and lazy members of society. Thailand does not correlate wealth with worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luudee Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 How about giving the BiB first aid training ? Several times I saw bad accidents with people bleeding profoundly and the BiB just standing there and watching. In many cases applying some light pressure on the would would stop the subject from bleeding to death until help comes ... But I guess to save a life one would have to get his hands dirty and actually give a shit ... luudee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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