Should I settle in KL or Thailand

[MJP]

I think Kuala Lumpur is probably the place I've worked where my expat colleagues have complained least about the city that they find themselves in. The biggest problem is that drink is mind-numbingly expensive.

SC

Then just have a cuppa tea.

[StreetCowboy]

I think Kuala Lumpur is probably the place I've worked where my expat colleagues have complained least about the city that they find themselves in. The biggest problem is that drink is mind-numbingly expensive.

SC

Then just have a cuppa tea.

Desperate times, desperate measures, eh?

[MJP]

I think Kuala Lumpur is probably the place I've worked where my expat colleagues have complained least about the city that they find themselves in. The biggest problem is that drink is mind-numbingly expensive.

SC

Then just have a cuppa tea.

Desperate times, desperate measures, eh?

Me? Can't drink booze.

[MrWorldwide]

OMGImInPattaya, have you been to Queensbay Mall ? It looks like a clone of the usual boutique-dominated malls you'll find in Bangkok and KL, but I certainly wouldn't describe it as 'primitive'. `

http://queensbaymallmalaysia.com/

Gurney Plaza is another modern shopping centre on Penang, and I believe they've built a few more over on the Butterworth side in the last few years. Relics like Komtar are sad to see, given the high hopes Malaysians must have held when it was built, but even that old girl is supposedly being redeveloped.

If size counts for anything, Malaysia has some whoppers - just cant say I fancy travelling to PJ just to see a sprawling shopping centre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_shopping_malls_in_the_world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid_Valley_Megamall

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_Utama

[StreetCowboy]

I wouldn't recommend Malaysia if you want the mysterious Orient or the exotic East..

[marcusd]

 

I disagree with the comment above that KL has gorgeous women. I dont think that I saw one in 2 days. Apart from that KL is a hole of a place to live. The worst taxi drivers in the world live in KL and the traffic is terrible. 

 

choke dee

I have friends in very good jobs who want nothing else but to be transferred to bangkok. Guess that saysit all. And it is boring

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Cause they cant wait to get back to the temples, right ? 

 

You see lemons, I see lemonade : I'll be within 10 minutes of the airport at Penang and in ~2 hours from that point (the early evening AirAsia flight has yet to run on time in my experience), I expect to touch down at DMK. Or Jakarta. Or PP/HCMC/AC - a little further to Tokyo/Seoul, but its all good. Do I need Cowboy at the bottom of my apartment block to enjoy my retirement ? No, but it's good to know that there are other options an hour or so away, and cheap flights at that. Some manage that feat out of Perth or Darwin, but I guarantee you their cost of living is exponentially higher than Penang. Horses for courses.

 

Ultimately, I dont believe any of us are speaking from any more firsthand experience than a visa run or shopping trip to Malaysia - happy to hear otherwise - and 12 months from now I'll be able to agree or disagree from the POV of someone who has been there for six months and has some idea whether its his cup of tea or not. More to the OPs original query - would I choose Kuala Lumpur ? No way, even if I was being offered a hefty package to move there. It's not as bad as Jakarta - thank God - but that traffic annoys me more on each successive trip.

 

Big advantage for someone wanting to dip their toe in the water in M'Sia is the automatic 90-day stay on arrival that the majority of TVers are entitled to, and the ease with which you can get a second stamp simply by spending a weekend in Bangkok or wherever. Downside is that most landlords want you to sign a 6-month lease minimum, but I've seen nothing to indicate that there is a shortage of longterm accommodation on Penang. Swings and roundabouts.

People are free to choose. Try before you buy I think the saying is. Yes you like one thing abs others like another. Choice is great. Make a choiceon personal perspectives and experience. I did. My choice is Chiang Mai. You can enjoy Penabg. My friends in Kl must closecurtains so their neighbours don't see

Things that MIGHT OFFEND MUSLIM TRADITIOBS...and I don't want to live like that. But you can. Enjoy if it is what you want. There are places so you can go..come..transit.

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[umbanda]

All depends in what you are looking for......

If you wants to live like a King, with little money, nothing better than Thailand.

If you wants to have a gorgeous and younger girl friend or wife, even a successful woman, even if you have little money, nothing better than Thailand.

If you want to invest, or have a lucrative business, with little money, nothing better than Thailand.

If you want to live in a beautiful city, with all the amenities, without violence, corruption, traffic, pollution, with a easy immigration office, good airport, good climate, good jobs, good and very active expat community, and low cost housing.....nothing better than Thailand...

Yes...Chiang Rai is in Thailand.

If you get boring with the nice things to get busy in Chiang Rai, take the plane and with little money fly North to China and Korea, or south to Malaysia, Singapore or Indonesia, to spend in one day what you will spend in Chiang Rai in one week.

But..if that is not interesting for you, do not live in wonderful Thailand....live in Bangkok, Pattaya or Phuket....

If you want to invest, or have a lucrative business, with little money, nothing better than Thailand.

Wants an example......I bought an small abandoned resort outside town in 2010 in my wife's name for 600000thb and that was all the cash money I had at that time. It's had 10 cabins and a small house, and we move there from our small rented apartment in town. One cabin by the road, we transformed in a Italian coffee bistro that became very fashionable with the local expats. With the profits we build more 10 cabins and a swimming pool. We sold the place this January for 10000000 ...yes 10 millions. We are back living in a small apartmen againWith part of the money we bought a mix use building in town in need of renovation, to rent and open our own real estate office. We are looking in buy a piece of land closer to town to build a new resort and restaurant...and life is better than ever....Most of that....and before you ask...I am doing all this because I like to be busy even at 69, and because I will die very happy knowing that my Thai wife will have a very secure and good life after...

[cpofc]

....the average (single male) tourist is just a reject who can't get a woman.

If the cap fits...

totster

you beat me to it hehehehe Some people just amaze the crap out of me. Mr (below) Average obviously didn't put a lot of thought into that statement.

Malaysia was a good country, once. Admittedly I haven't been to KL for decades. You talk about racism in Thailand. Malaysia is perhaps one of the most racist countries in the world. And that's between themselves. Maybe if you want to go bush and live in a traditional Malay Kampong, fine. The traditional malay people are good people. But.

Penang used to be a gem of a place, another 'pearl of the orient'. 30-40 years ago. Georgetown was a beautiful place and great fun too. Now it is just a run down, shabby, expensive shadow of its former self. Dirtiest MacDonalds I have ever seen. Not that I'm a fan of Maccas but I am sure you know what I mean. The shopping Malls, filthy. Taxis are deplorable - and a rip off. Malay Politics aren't any better than here and corruption is rife too.

They may have a large English Speaking population in Malaysia which makes life easier but if English was the national Language of Thailand, every man and his dog would be here. The place would sink under the weight.

A part of the last job I had in the Military in Australia was to look after Foreign Naval Officers undertaking training in Australia. The (Australian) Defence Co-Operation Program as it was known. In those days predominantly Filippino, Thai, Malaysian, Singaporean.

Malaysian Navy Leut fronts in my office and gives me his name - Mohammed Bin Somethingorother. But hang on, you are Chinese Malay how do you get a name like that. If he doesn't change his name to a Muslim name and does not convert to Islam he will get nowhere in the Malaysian Military. Full stop! Do you really want to live in a place like this?

its up to you, but Malaysia is way down on my list of places I want to be.

[MrWorldwide]

cpofc, as I said I'm prepared to give it 6 months. If I believe every opinion I read online, I'd never leave home - I definitely wouldn't go to Sydney ! It's interesting how one's perspective of a given location colors your view of it forever - lived in Brisbane for many years and rarely went to the 'world famous' Gold Coast as I considered it to be a complete dump, and dangerous at that, yet hundreds of thousands of tourists from all over the world make a beeline for the Coast. I also grew up (in Sydney) believing Melbourne sucked, and that has stuck with me despite obvious changes in the city and passionate Victorians who love their city.

Horses for courses

[Thai foon]

Should I settle in KL or Thailand

yes go to KL we dont want stupid ppl here.

[StreetCowboy]

Should I settle in KL or Thailand

yes go to KL we dont want stupid ppl here.

OP: I think he meant "any more stupid people"; I think he's worried you might use up his quota place

[Thai foon]

Should I settle in KL or Thailand

yes go to KL we dont want stupid ppl here.

OP: I think he meant "any more stupid people"; I think he's worried you might use up his quota place

if it works sure that will do.

[Mr Average]

....the average (single male) tourist is just a reject who can't get a woman.

If the cap fits...

totster

Some people just amaze the crap out of me. Mr (below) Average obviously didn't put a lot of thought into that statement.

its up to you, but Malaysia is way down on my list of places I want to be.

As I wrote yesterday, Thailand is known as the world's brothel and the average (single male) tourist is a reject who can't get a woman.

Here is a hypothetical test you could try.

1. Survey all single male tourists who come to Thailand in 2013. Calculate the average height, weight and IQ.

2. At the very start of 2014, outlaw prostitution and make it illegal for Thai women to engage in "relations" with western men. At the end of year, survey all single male tourists who visited the country and calculate the average height, weight and IQ.

3. You will find.....

a.) the average height of single male tourists is greater in 2014 than in 2013

b.) the average weight of single male tourists is less in 2014 than in 2013

c.) the average IQ of single male tourists is higher in 2014 than in 2013

EDITED as that the letter 'b' followed by a closing bracket shows as smily.

= b + bracket = smily

b.) = no smily

Edited September 28, 2013 by Mr Average

[StreetCowboy]

....the average (single male) tourist is just a reject who can't get a woman.

If the cap fits...

totster

Some people just amaze the crap out of me. Mr (below) Average obviously didn't put a lot of thought into that statement.

its up to you, but Malaysia is way down on my list of places I want to be.

As I wrote yesterday, Thailand is known as the world's brothel and the average (single male) tourist is a reject who can't get a woman.

Here is a hypothetical test you could try.

1. Survey all single male tourists who come to Thailand in 2013. Calculate the average height, weight and IQ.

2. At the very start of 2014, outlaw prostitution and make it illegal for Thai women to engage in "relations" with western men. At the end of year, survey all single male tourists who visited the country and calculate the average height, weight and IQ.

3. You will find.....

a.) the average height of single male tourists is greater in 2014 than in 2013

b.) the average weight of single male tourists is less in 2014 than in 2013

c.) the average IQ of single male tourists is higher in 2014 than in 2013

EDITED as that the letter 'b' followed by a closing bracket shows as smily.

= b + bracket = smily

b.) = no smily

Speaking as Mr Average, you should know.

Personally, I think if they were to outlaw prostitution in Thailand it would change nothing - not least because it is already illegal (I'm not sure of the exact legal details - it's not something I've ever had to know too much about)

SC

EDIT: Anyway, my apologies for the off-topic digression; I think prostitution is equally illegal in Malaysia. However, if the OP plans extensive wining and wenching then Thailand is probably the better option; I don't think that was what he had planned, though.

Edited September 28, 2013 by StreetCowboy

[Forethat]

2, safer

Come again...!?

I recommend driving from Singapore to JB if you want to experience the perceived safety. And I am not talking about anything that relates to traffic. Just drive a car from Singapore to JB and watch what happens...

Good Luck. You'll need it.

[Mr Average]

Yes, prostitution is illegal according to the constitution. When I say "outlaw", I mean forcibly close down places like Nana, Patpong, etc

Personally, I think if they were to outlaw prostitution in Thailand it would change nothing

Few people would agree with you on this point.

Edited September 28, 2013 by Mr Average

[MrWorldwide]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Malaysia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Thailand

[Mr Average]

2, safer

Come again...!?

I recommend driving from Singapore to JB if you want to experience the perceived safety. And I am not talking about anything that relates to traffic. Just drive a car from Singapore to JB and watch what happens...

Good Luck. You'll need it.

OK, you win. Tell me what would happen. I've never done this drive.

I still feel that Malaysia is a safer tourist destination than Thailand, but I don't know how things compare when viewed from an expat's perspective.

[StreetCowboy]

2, safer

Come again...!?

I recommend driving from Singapore to JB if you want to experience the perceived safety. And I am not talking about anything that relates to traffic. Just drive a car from Singapore to JB and watch what happens...

Good Luck. You'll need it.

OK, you win. Tell me what would happen. I've never done this drive.

I still feel that Malaysia is a safer tourist destination than Thailand, but I don't know how things compare when viewed from an expat's perspective.

I don't think safety is really a positive contributing factor. Both places are adequately safe for me. Philippines or Indonesia are not, and that counts against them, but once you reach a certain threshold for safety, I don't think more safe makes any significant difference.

All the places I've lived I've rated as safe enough, but some of the places I've visited I'd not like to live.

SC

[Forethat]

2, safer

Come again...!?

I recommend driving from Singapore to JB if you want to experience the perceived safety. And I am not talking about anything that relates to traffic. Just drive a car from Singapore to JB and watch what happens...

Good Luck. You'll need it.

OK, you win. Tell me what would happen. I've never done this drive.

I still feel that Malaysia is a safer tourist destination than Thailand, but I don't know how things compare when viewed from an expat's perspective.

Think of driving around JB with a Singapore-registered car as if you'd walk 125th in New York with a sign that says "I hate niggers!" and there's a good measurement of the amount of attention you're likely to get...

Edited September 28, 2013 by Forethat

[StreetCowboy]

2, safer

Come again...!?

I recommend driving from Singapore to JB if you want to experience the perceived safety. And I am not talking about anything that relates to traffic. Just drive a car from Singapore to JB and watch what happens...

Good Luck. You'll need it.

OK, you win. Tell me what would happen. I've never done this drive.

I still feel that Malaysia is a safer tourist destination than Thailand, but I don't know how things compare when viewed from an expat's perspective.

Think of driving around JB with a Singapore-registered car as if you'd walk 125th in New York with a sign that says "I hate niggers!" and there's a good measurement of the amount of attention you're likely to get...

I don't see how that's relevant. The OP wasn't asking about moving to Singapore, so he wouldn't have Singapore plates.

I think Malaysia is a safer tourist destination because it attracts safer tourists

Edited September 28, 2013 by StreetCowboy

[OMGImInPattaya]

OMGImInPattaya, have you been to Queensbay Mall ? It looks like a clone of the usual boutique-dominated malls you'll find in Bangkok and KL, but I certainly wouldn't describe it as 'primitive'. `

http://queensbaymallmalaysia.com/

Gurney Plaza is another modern shopping centre on Penang, and I believe they've built a few more over on the Butterworth side in the last few years. Relics like Komtar are sad to see, given the high hopes Malaysians must have held when it was built, but even that old girl is supposedly being redeveloped.

If size counts for anything, Malaysia has some whoppers - just cant say I fancy travelling to PJ just to see a sprawling shopping centre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_shopping_malls_in_the_world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid_Valley_Megamall

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_Utama

And shopping certainly isn't everything. Just seems to me that as someone once said about another place...there's no there there. Malaysia feels that way to me...though one of the best Chinese seafood meals I've ever had was in a tiny shophouse affair in Tawaw, Borneo, while on a trip to sipadan. I recall me and a friend feasted until stuffed and paid about US$ 10!

I'm sure you'll find enough in Malaysia to keep you busy. It's just not a place I would fancy spending much time (unless I was diving).

[Thai foon]

2, safer

Come again...!?

I recommend driving from Singapore to JB if you want to experience the perceived safety. And I am not talking about anything that relates to traffic. Just drive a car from Singapore to JB and watch what happens...

Good Luck. You'll need it.

OK, you win. Tell me what would happen. I've never done this drive.

I still feel that Malaysia is a safer tourist destination than Thailand, but I don't know how things compare when viewed from an expat's perspective.

Think of driving around JB with a Singapore-registered car as if you'd walk 125th in New York with a sign that says "I hate niggers!" and there's a good measurement of the amount of attention you're likely to get...

i cant see this to be true, given that a good 50% of the population of JB either work or study in singapore. and any holiday period the causeway is jammed packed with cars heading to malaysia.

Edited September 28, 2013 by Thai foon

[Forethat]

I don't see how that's relevant. The OP wasn't asking about moving to Singapore, so he wouldn't have Singapore plates.

I think Malaysia is a safer tourist destination because it attracts safer tourists

Well, unfortunately for all of us, the world around us doesn't seem to care what we "think".

Crime rate in Malaysia is rising, rapidly, and has for a while. The most critical journalists even claim that crime rates are censored, in particular crimes against women and children.

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/opinion/2013/07/13/rising-crime-rate-cause-for-worry/

http://www.irrawaddy.org/archives/41123

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/as-crime-rate-spikes-putrajaya-moves-to-tap-communications-track-suspects

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/did-government-lie-about-crime-statistics-asks-kit-siang

http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/political-news/242062-chinese-press-spotlight-on-alarming-crime-rate.html

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/sideviews/article/rising-crime-rate-better-enforcement-not-another-eo-jimmy-puah/

http://www.malaysia-today.net/mtcolumns/newscommentaries/58479-rampant-gun-crimes-raises-question-on-crime-statistics-and-public-safety

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/opinion/2013/07/12/rape-is-always-the-womans-fault/

http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=630883

http://my.theasianparent.com/increase-of-rape-cases-in-malaysia/

http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/164675

http://www.thestar.com.my/story.aspx?file=%2f2010%2f8%2f1%2fnation%2f6775682&sec=nation

You get the idea (ehhh...well...)

Sorry to burst your bubble.

[Forethat]

i cant see this to be true, given that a good 50% of the population of JB either work or study in singapore. and any holiday period the causeway is jammed packed with cars heading to malaysia.

Oh dear....

Yup, the problem with all the Malaysians who owns a SGP-registered car is growing by the day...

Edited September 28, 2013 by Forethat

[Mr Average]

I don't see how that's relevant. The OP wasn't asking about moving to Singapore, so he wouldn't have Singapore plates.

I think Malaysia is a safer tourist destination because it attracts safer tourists

Well, unfortunately for all of us, the world around us doesn't seem to care what we "think".

Crime rate in Malaysia is rising, rapidly, and has for a while. The most critical journalists even claim that crime rates are censored, in particular crimes against women and children.

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/opinion/2013/07/13/rising-crime-rate-cause-for-worry/

http://www.irrawaddy.org/archives/41123

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/as-crime-rate-spikes-putrajaya-moves-to-tap-communications-track-suspects

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/did-government-lie-about-crime-statistics-asks-kit-siang

http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/political-news/242062-chinese-press-spotlight-on-alarming-crime-rate.html

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/sideviews/article/rising-crime-rate-better-enforcement-not-another-eo-jimmy-puah/

http://www.malaysia-today.net/mtcolumns/newscommentaries/58479-rampant-gun-crimes-raises-question-on-crime-statistics-and-public-safety

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/opinion/2013/07/12/rape-is-always-the-womans-fault/

http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=630883

http://my.theasianparent.com/increase-of-rape-cases-in-malaysia/

http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/164675

http://www.thestar.com.my/story.aspx?file=%2f2010%2f8%2f1%2fnation%2f6775682&sec=nation

You get the idea (ehhh...well...)

Sorry to burst your bubble.

Fortunately no tales of westerners being slaughtered by taxi drivers wielding samurai swords (think: Bangkok).

No stories either about elderly Australian women being shot (think: Phuket)

No stories about young backpackers being murdered by policemen (think: Kanchaburi and Pai).

And certainly no sordid nonsense about Indian visitors being robbed by transgendered men who hide under the bed whlle other transgendered men massage you (think: Pattaya).

If you are a western tourist, Malaysia is MUCH safer than Thailand.

[Thai foon]

I don't see how that's relevant. The OP wasn't asking about moving to Singapore, so he wouldn't have Singapore plates.

I think Malaysia is a safer tourist destination because it attracts safer tourists

Well, unfortunately for all of us, the world around us doesn't seem to care what we "think".

Crime rate in Malaysia is rising, rapidly, and has for a while. The most critical journalists even claim that crime rates are censored, in particular crimes against women and children.

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/opinion/2013/07/13/rising-crime-rate-cause-for-worry/

http://www.irrawaddy.org/archives/41123

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/as-crime-rate-spikes-putrajaya-moves-to-tap-communications-track-suspects

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/did-government-lie-about-crime-statistics-asks-kit-siang

http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/political-news/242062-chinese-press-spotlight-on-alarming-crime-rate.html

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/sideviews/article/rising-crime-rate-better-enforcement-not-another-eo-jimmy-puah/

http://www.malaysia-today.net/mtcolumns/newscommentaries/58479-rampant-gun-crimes-raises-question-on-crime-statistics-and-public-safety

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/opinion/2013/07/12/rape-is-always-the-womans-fault/

http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=630883

http://my.theasianparent.com/increase-of-rape-cases-in-malaysia/

http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/164675

http://www.thestar.com.my/story.aspx?file=%2f2010%2f8%2f1%2fnation%2f6775682&sec=nation

You get the idea (ehhh...well...)

Sorry to burst your bubble.

Fortunately no tales of westerners being slaughtered by taxi drivers wielding samurai swords (think: Bangkok).

No stories either about elderly Australian women being shot (think: Phuket)

No stories about young backpackers being murdered by policemen (think: Kanchaburi and Pai).

And certainly no sordid nonsense about Indian visitors being robbed by transgendered men who hide under the bed whlle other transgendered men massage you (think: Pattaya).

If you are a western tourist, Malaysia is MUCH safer than Thailand.

yeah but ya gotta eat sometimes.

edit: coming from australia you probably wouldnt notice.

Edited September 28, 2013 by Thai foon

[StreetCowboy]

I don't see how that's relevant. The OP wasn't asking about moving to Singapore, so he wouldn't have Singapore plates.

I think Malaysia is a safer tourist destination because it attracts safer tourists

Well, unfortunately for all of us, the world around us doesn't seem to care what we "think".

Crime rate in Malaysia is rising, rapidly, and has for a while. The most critical journalists even claim that crime rates are censored, in particular crimes against women and children.

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/opinion/2013/07/13/rising-crime-rate-cause-for-worry/

http://www.irrawaddy.org/archives/41123

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/as-crime-rate-spikes-putrajaya-moves-to-tap-communications-track-suspects

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/did-government-lie-about-crime-statistics-asks-kit-siang

http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/political-news/242062-chinese-press-spotlight-on-alarming-crime-rate.html

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/sideviews/article/rising-crime-rate-better-enforcement-not-another-eo-jimmy-puah/

http://www.malaysia-today.net/mtcolumns/newscommentaries/58479-rampant-gun-crimes-raises-question-on-crime-statistics-and-public-safety

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/opinion/2013/07/12/rape-is-always-the-womans-fault/

http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=630883

http://my.theasianparent.com/increase-of-rape-cases-in-malaysia/

http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/164675

http://www.thestar.com.my/story.aspx?file=%2f2010%2f8%2f1%2fnation%2f6775682&sec=nation

You get the idea (ehhh...well...)

Sorry to burst your bubble.

Malaysia has about half the homicide rate of Thailand, allegedly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Malaysians worry much more about crime, I think, and it's certainly very widely reported.

SC

[Forethat]

If you are a western tourist, Malaysia is MUCH safer than Thailand.

If you want to continue be ignorant, at least stop being naive.

http://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Thailand&country2=Malaysia

https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=12189

https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=12145

https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=13812

https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportPDF.aspx?cid=10563

https://www.osac.gov/pages/ContentReportPDF.aspx?cid=10593

https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=14002

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Thailand

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Malaysia

If I was you I'd start paying attention to real numbers.

[StreetCowboy]

If you are a western tourist, Malaysia is MUCH safer than Thailand.

If you want to continue be ignorant, at least stop being naive.

http://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Thailand&country2=Malaysia

https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=12189

https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=12145

https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=13812

https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportPDF.aspx?cid=10563

https://www.osac.gov/pages/ContentReportPDF.aspx?cid=10593

https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=14002

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Thailand

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Malaysia

If I was you I'd start paying attention to real numbers.

Is MEDIUM higher or lower than relatively moderate?

There wasn't a lot of quantitative data there, although the survey referenced first showed that Malaysians worry more about crime. They probably report more crimes as well, perhaps because they trust their police more. Or perhaps becuase they are more likely to have insurance... as rugby fans will know, there's no point speculating.

Anyway, I don;t think crime is a good reason to choose one over the other. You're more likely to get a traffic fine in Malaysia, and less likely to get asked for a bribe

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