US government shuts down as Congress misses deadline

[NeverSure]

Someone posted above saying, "the Feds ....will pay their debts first."

Not so sure that will be top priority. Even Obama expressed doubts about that, particularly in lieu of the debt-ceiling debacle which will show its fuzzy head in a few days.

Now Reps want to rescind it - for same reasons they badgered Hillary Clinton. Not because of its drawbacks, but because it's an initiative which came from the other side of the aisle.

Perhaps, but, more and more, it really is looking like a train wreck. I am all for single payer health care, but this ponzi scheme is not going to work. It depends on young, healthy workers subsidizing poor people, but most young, healthy workers do not make great deal of money and they are going to resent the high premiums that they have to pay. Is the middle class going to revolt when they realize that almost nothing Obama has told them about this plan is true?

Social Security could be called a 'Ponzi scheme' for that matter. ACA is a large program, just getting started. It could well have numerous glitches - hopefully they're fixable. The way to fix it is to work within the framework of adjusting laws. The way not to fix it is to use it as a hostage to cripple the operations of the Federal government. We all know the Fed budget is obscenely bloated. I would love to have a blue pen (I'd need a fat fistful of pens) and mark out the excesses. But alas, if I or you want to do that, we've got to work within the system.

Probably the main cause of health care being so expensive in the US (no matter how it's paid for) is the excessive fees charged by health care workers and facilities. That's a tough nut to crack, and a big reason why so many Americans go overseas to get medical stuff done.

Another comment from the Whitehouse Facebook page.

Remember, while this shutdown is in effect, Obamacare is trying to start. Give it a year and people will change their tunes. They still think the government is going to give them healthcare!!!

Quote:

"So I just received my 2014 coverage and costs from by health care provider. They informed me that they have transitioned my current coverage that I have had for the past 4 years to a comparable ACA certified coverage plan. My MONTHLY premium went up by $200.00 and my coverage out of pockets costs increased by 30%. So answer me this, how is this a "Affordable Health Care Act"? I can now no longer afford my health insurance premium for my family and do not qualify for assistance based on the guidelines. I compared my new rate to the ones on the Marketplace and they are the same or higher, so that is not an option either. I feel like my government has again lied and cheated me into a corner - now what?"

Either you guys don't understand Obamacare, or you're voting against the American people.

[chuckd]

Indeed.

"If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what."

-Barack Obama

Republicans in Washington have turned Obamacare into a crime scene but have not fled the scene. They have the gall to stick around and to boast about it.

Most of us are simply sitting around watching Obamacare implode. It's not like there is any spiking of the football going on.

This monstrosity won't be ready for primetime until 2020. It needs at least another 10,000 pages of regulations.

PS: Sorry. I liked your post by misteak.

Edited October 6, 2013 by chuckd

[Chicog]

Someone posted above saying, "the Feds ....will pay their debts first."

Not so sure that will be top priority. Even Obama expressed doubts about that, particularly in lieu of the debt-ceiling debacle which will show its fuzzy head in a few days.

Now Reps want to rescind it - for same reasons they badgered Hillary Clinton. Not because of its drawbacks, but because it's an initiative which came from the other side of the aisle.

Perhaps, but, more and more, it really is looking like a train wreck. I am all for single payer health care, but this ponzi scheme is not going to work. It depends on young, healthy workers subsidizing poor people, but most young, healthy workers do not make great deal of money and they are going to resent the high premiums that they have to pay. Is the middle class going to revolt when they realize that almost nothing Obama has told them about this plan is true?

Social Security could be called a 'Ponzi scheme' for that matter. ACA is a large program, just getting started. It could well have numerous glitches - hopefully they're fixable. The way to fix it is to work within the framework of adjusting laws. The way not to fix it is to use it as a hostage to cripple the operations of the Federal government. We all know the Fed budget is obscenely bloated. I would love to have a blue pen (I'd need a fat fistful of pens) and mark out the excesses. But alas, if I or you want to do that, we've got to work within the system.

Probably the main cause of health care being so expensive in the US (no matter how it's paid for) is the excessive fees charged by health care workers and facilities. That's a tough nut to crack, and a big reason why so many Americans go overseas to get medical stuff done.

Another comment from the Whitehouse Facebook page.

Remember, while this shutdown is in effect, Obamacare is trying to start. Give it a year and people will change their tunes. They still think the government is going to give them healthcare!!!

Quote:

"So I just received my 2014 coverage and costs from by health care provider. They informed me that they have transitioned my current coverage that I have had for the past 4 years to a comparable ACA certified coverage plan. My MONTHLY premium went up by $200.00 and my coverage out of pockets costs increased by 30%. So answer me this, how is this a "Affordable Health Care Act"? I can now no longer afford my health insurance premium for my family and do not qualify for assistance based on the guidelines. I compared my new rate to the ones on the Marketplace and they are the same or higher, so that is not an option either. I feel like my government has again lied and cheated me into a corner - now what?"

Either you guys don't understand Obamacare, or you're voting against the American people.

If people don't like Obamacare, they'll vote in the Republicans at the next election(s) and they can fix it through the normal legal process, with a mandate from the people.

How does the odd person bleating about it excuse this deliberate sabotage? It doesn't.

If the boot were on the other foot, the GOP would be squealing like pigs.

[quiuvo]

Like I previously said, the Republicans are trapped. Bone head leader of house may not be obeyed.... "As Americans steam over Congress's inability to keep government open, some Republicans were seeking an escape hatch, to the point of even bucking leadership."

[Jingthing]

Like I previously said, the Republicans are trapped. Bone head leader of house may not be obeyed.... "As Americans steam over Congress's inability to keep government open, some Republicans were seeking an escape hatch, to the point of even bucking leadership."

Yeah, they are rather shocked that the democrats have finally grown a pair!

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2013/10/the_intransigence_of_democrats_from_obama_on_down_to_red_state_senators.html

“Dealing with terrorists has taught us some things,” said Washington Rep. Jim McDermott after voting no on one of Thursday’s GOP bills. “You can’t deal with ’em. This mess was created by the Republicans for one purpose, and they lost. People in my district are calling in for Obamacare—affordable health care—in large numbers. These guys have lost, and they can’t figure out how to admit it.” Why would House Democrats give away what the Supreme Court and the 2012 electorate didn’t? “You can’t say, OK, you get half of Obamacare—this isn’t a Solomonic decision,” McDermott said. “So we sit here until they figure out they CENSORED lost.”

[asiaexpat]

Every Republican party action in connection with the CR has the single and absolute purpose of defeating Obamcare, i.e., the Affordable Care Act.

Closing the government to try to stop a law is extra constitutional.

It's the Confederates, all of whom are charging into fixed bayonets.

Obamacare Facebook Erupts with Citizen Sticker Shock

On Thursday, the government's official Obamacare Facebook page was riddled with people expressing sticker shock over the government's high cost premiums after struggling for hours to wade through the technical failures vexing Obamacare exchanges all across the country.

"I am so disappointed," wrote one woman. "These prices are outrageous and there are huge deductibles. No one can afford this!" The comment received 169 "likes."

"There is NO WAY I can afford it," said one commenter after using the Kaiser Subsidy Calculator. "Heck right now I couldn't afford an extra 10$ [sic] a month...and oh apparently I make to [sic] much at 8.55/hour to get subsidies."

Another person shared a link found on the federal government's main Obamacare page listing premium estimates for small business employers:

Link

This blip justifies the Republican party shutting down the government and destroying the full faith and credit of the United States by refusing to increase the debt ceiling?!

Radical!

Yes, it does. When an tax as irresponsible as the ACA is being mandated on the American people, you better believe it's worth shutting down the federal government. But as to your assertion that the GOP has shut down the government, you would be wrong. The House has sent 4 separate bills to the Senate and Harry Reid refuses to put them on the floor for a vote or to negotiate with the House. So who shut down the government? It doesn't matter how many times you tell a lie, it's still a lie.

The Federal government is not shut down as 83% of all agencies are functioning normally. With the notable exception of the Parks dept which has had to bring on extra help to keep citizens from visiting.

Here are a few doozies from the petty folks in power. 83% of government still running and Obama & company making it as painful as possible for the public.

Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?

http://washingtonexaminer.com/wheres-sense-of-crisis-in-a-17-percent-government-shutdown/article/2536862

Feds attempt to close the ocean

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/05/Feds-Try-to-Close-the-OCEAN-Because-of-Shutdown

Police remove Vietnam Vets from Memorial Wall

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/nbc-police-remove-vietnam-war-veterans-memorial-wall_759267.html

National Memorials closed to veterans

Its a cheap way to deal with the situation, an angry Park Service ranger in Washington says of the harassment. Weve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. Its disgusting.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/3/pruden-the-cheap-tricks-of-the-game/

Is Fox News your only source of information. Try a little real research on the issues.

[Loptr]

Yes, it does. When an tax as irresponsible as the ACA is being mandated on the American people, you better believe it's worth shutting down the federal government. But as to your assertion that the GOP has shut down the government, you would be wrong. The House has sent 4 separate bills to the Senate and Harry Reid refuses to put them on the floor for a vote or to negotiate with the House. So who shut down the government? It doesn't matter how many times you tell a lie, it's still a lie.

The Federal government is not shut down as 83% of all agencies are functioning normally. With the notable exception of the Parks dept which has had to bring on extra help to keep citizens from visiting.

Here are a few doozies from the petty folks in power. 83% of government still running and Obama & company making it as painful as possible for the public.

Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?

http://washingtonexaminer.com/wheres-sense-of-crisis-in-a-17-percent-government-shutdown/article/2536862

Feds attempt to close the ocean

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/05/Feds-Try-to-Close-the-OCEAN-Because-of-Shutdown

Police remove Vietnam Vets from Memorial Wall

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/nbc-police-remove-vietnam-war-veterans-memorial-wall_759267.html

National Memorials closed to veterans

“It’s a cheap way to deal with the situation,” an angry Park Service ranger in Washington says of the harassment. “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/3/pruden-the-cheap-tricks-of-the-game/

We can agree that no matter how many times someone tells a lie, it's still a lie.

Indeed and the left has gotten exceeding proficient at lying in the last 5 years, especially since they have the MSM in their hip pocket. Not hard to control the minds of the voters when they only hear one side of an argument, then denigrate your opponents with lies to cover up your own malfeasance.

So which is the real POTUS:

1. I will not negotiate

2. I have bent over backwards to work with the Republicans.

Both comments came out of Obama's mouth in the course of 4 hours just this week. You can't have it both ways, even if you do have the MSM on your side.

Edited October 6, 2013 by Loptr

[Loptr]

Yes, it does. When an tax as irresponsible as the ACA is being mandated on the American people, you better believe it's worth shutting down the federal government. But as to your assertion that the GOP has shut down the government, you would be wrong. The House has sent 4 separate bills to the Senate and Harry Reid refuses to put them on the floor for a vote or to negotiate with the House. So who shut down the government? It doesn't matter how many times you tell a lie, it's still a lie.

The Federal government is not shut down as 83% of all agencies are functioning normally. With the notable exception of the Parks dept which has had to bring on extra help to keep citizens from visiting.

Here are a few doozies from the petty folks in power. 83% of government still running and Obama & company making it as painful as possible for the public.

Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?

http://washingtonexaminer.com/wheres-sense-of-crisis-in-a-17-percent-government-shutdown/article/2536862

Feds attempt to close the ocean

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/05/Feds-Try-to-Close-the-OCEAN-Because-of-Shutdown

Police remove Vietnam Vets from Memorial Wall

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/nbc-police-remove-vietnam-war-veterans-memorial-wall_759267.html

National Memorials closed to veterans

Its a cheap way to deal with the situation, an angry Park Service ranger in Washington says of the harassment. Weve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. Its disgusting.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/3/pruden-the-cheap-tricks-of-the-game/

Is Fox News your only source of information. Try a little real research on the issues.

Funny, I knew liberals had a hard time with comprehension, but please show me a SINGLE link I posted to Fox News? Try doing a little reading before showing your own ignorance.

[Scott]

Stay on topic and stop with the personal remarks.

[Loptr]

Indeed.

"If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what."

-Barack Obama

Republicans in Washington have turned Obamacare into a crime scene but have not fled the scene. They have the gall to stick around and to boast about it.

Lie a little more, it only reinforces the GOP position.

ACA is NOTHING as advertised. Masses of YOUR party members are complaining of premiums that a triple what was advertised by Obama, along with having their deductibles doubled. And this is a GOP issue? This is why the GOP is objecting, plus the fact that it is mandatory and not a voluntary program. Please, stop with the rhetoric and face the truth. If the mandate were removed from the ACA implementation, the GOP wold back down.

The true irony is that the ACA will hurt the Dems constituents the worst. Those that are upper-middle class and higher have their own health care policies and don't have to subscribe to this abomination. It's the lower income people that are being forced into the ACA plan they neither want nor can afford, yet if they don't comply, you can be assured that the IRS will do their job and jack up anyone not enrolled. That is when we will see your parties members in the streets protesting the ACA and the administration that has shoved it down their collective throats.

[Publicus]

Yes, it does. When an tax as irresponsible as the ACA is being mandated on the American people, you better believe it's worth shutting down the federal government. But as to your assertion that the GOP has shut down the government, you would be wrong. The House has sent 4 separate bills to the Senate and Harry Reid refuses to put them on the floor for a vote or to negotiate with the House. So who shut down the government? It doesn't matter how many times you tell a lie, it's still a lie.

The Federal government is not shut down as 83% of all agencies are functioning normally. With the notable exception of the Parks dept which has had to bring on extra help to keep citizens from visiting.

Here are a few doozies from the petty folks in power. 83% of government still running and Obama & company making it as painful as possible for the public.

Where's sense of crisis in a 17% government shutdown?

http://washingtonexaminer.com/wheres-sense-of-crisis-in-a-17-percent-government-shutdown/article/2536862

Feds attempt to close the ocean

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/05/Feds-Try-to-Close-the-OCEAN-Because-of-Shutdown

Police remove Vietnam Vets from Memorial Wall

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/nbc-police-remove-vietnam-war-veterans-memorial-wall_759267.html

National Memorials closed to veterans

“It’s a cheap way to deal with the situation,” an angry Park Service ranger in Washington says of the harassment. “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/3/pruden-the-cheap-tricks-of-the-game/

We can agree that no matter how many times someone tells a lie, it's still a lie.

Indeed and the left has gotten exceeding proficient at lying in the last 5 years, especially since they have the MSM in their hip pocket. Not hard to control the minds of the voters when they only hear one side of an argument, then denigrate your opponents with lies to cover up your own malfeasance.

So which is the real POTUS:

1. I will not negotiate

2. I have bent over backwards to work with the Republicans.

Both comments came out of Obama's mouth in the course of 4 hours just this week. You can't have it both ways, even if you do have the MSM on your side.

It's impossible to respond to wild statements about mind control over the voters by mass information media or via something like your microwave oven, or whatever.

[Chicog]

See, it only took 237 years for you to discover it but we told you you weren't capable of running your own country.

Didn't we? huh? HUH?

I'll get my coat.

Maybe if GB repaid their loans with interest from the last 2 world wars, we could balance our budget finally :-) Meant to be taken in fun.

It's not our fault China's got all your money.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6215847.stm

[marcusd]

See, it only took 237 years for you to discover it but we told you you weren't capable of running your own country. 

 

Didn't we? huh? HUH?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll get my coat.  

Maybe if GB repaid their loans with interest from the last 2 world wars, we could balance our budget finally :-)   Meant to be taken in fun.

GB has paid all in full.

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[Publicus]

Tea Party Rep. Ross: 'We've Lost the CR Battle'

U.S. Rep. Dennis Ross, a Florida Republican, said he would support a broad spending deal that didn’t include changes to the health-care law, becoming the first Tea Party-backed House lawmaker to publicly back off the fight that is shut down the government for four days.

Ross, ranked among the House’s most conservative members by both the Club for Growth and the American Conservative Union, said he shifted his position because the shutdown hasn’t resulted in changes to the Affordable Care Act, which started Oct. 1, the same day government funding ran out. The shutdown also could hurt the party, he said.

“We’ve lost the CR battle,” Ross, referring to the continuing resolution to authorize government spending, said in an interview. “We need to move on and take whatever we can find in the debt limit.”

http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/florida-ross-tea-party/2013/10/04/id/529421?promo_code=13731-1&utm_source=13731Breaking_Media&utm_medium=nmwidget&utm_campaign=widgetphase1

The very conservative and Republican party oriented organization Newsmax is reporting the above at its website.

Rep Ross isn't the only tea party member of the House who's throwing in the towel concerning the Republican party's extra constitutional decision to close the US Government over a law it doesn't like, can't get the votes in Congress to repeal, which has been upheld as Constitutional by the US Supreme Court, and which was the centerpiece of Prez Obama's reelection last year. Several other tea party Republican types are joining the same surrender camp as Rep Ross of Florida.

Here's more about tea party members of the House who are taking a close look at scientific polling of the Congressional constituents of each over the weekend:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-10-05/some-tea-party-backed-lawmakers-yielding-in-battle-on-obamacare

The first cracks are appearing in the Tea Party’s push to dismantle the nation’s health law as three House lawmakers with ties to the movement said they’d back a U.S. spending deal that doesn’t center on ending Obamacare.

Republican Representatives Blake Farenthold of Texas, Doug Lamborn of Colorado and Dennis Ross of Florida, all of whom identify with the Tea Party, said they’d back an agreement to end the government shutdown and lift the debt ceiling if it included major revisions to U.S. tax law, significant changes to Medicare and Social Security and other policy changes.

*Edited for Fair Use*

The Republican party in the House doesn't learn. In 1996 Republicans led by House Speaker Newt Gingrich shut down the US Government and got badly burned for it in public opinion at the time. Gingrich lost his position as Speaker (John Boehner at the time was a major conspirator against Gingrich in the post-shutdown blowback).

Now Republicans in the House are replaying their 1996 shutdown of the US Government and know they're getting burned again for it. Who says Republicans in the House are not suicidal? The Republicans in the House are certainly showing everyone that they don't learn.

[coma]

I guess all those rich Republican Congressman and women are seeing this stalemate they have created as a great buying opportunity on Wall Street.

[Publicus]

GOP In Grave Danger Of Losing House In 2014, PPP Polls Show

Shutting down the government may end up costing Republicans control of the House of Representatives.

A series of polls released Sunday show just how damaging the shutdown has been for the GOP.

For Democrats to win a House majority, 17 seats would need to switch to their party's favor. Results show that would be within reach, as Republican incumbents are behind in 17 of the districts analyzed.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/06/gop-house-2014-polls_n_4050686.html?ref=topbar

This is the stark finding of Public Policy Polling, which was ranked as the most accurate polling organization during the 2012 presidential election campaign.

Republicans in the House now have harsh reality staring them in the face. As we see, some are beginning to crack, if only because enough voters in enough Congressional Districts have turned against enough of them for their having closed the US Government

The Republican party now is in the very real danger of losing its majority control of the House in the 2014 elections. The Democratic party is well positioned presently to take majority control of the House in the elections of next year.

So all of the Republicans of the House are getting their badly needed reality check, i.e., what the people of the United States think of this Republican caused debacle against the people of the United States.

Additionally, those Republican members of the House elected from "swing" constituencies , i.e., constituencies that are not solid Republican or solid Democratic, already know they are in peril because of a general voter disgust against the Republican party.

So presently the news for the Republican party is pretty grim.

The banana Republicans.

For a full breakdown of the PPP surveys, click here.

Edited October 7, 2013 by Publicus

[Publicus]

Indeed.

"If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what."

-Barack Obama

Republicans in Washington have turned Obamacare into a crime scene but have not fled the scene. They have the gall to stick around and to boast about it.

Lie a little more, it only reinforces the GOP position.

ACA is NOTHING as advertised. Masses of YOUR party members are complaining of premiums that a triple what was advertised by Obama, along with having their deductibles doubled. And this is a GOP issue? This is why the GOP is objecting, plus the fact that it is mandatory and not a voluntary program. Please, stop with the rhetoric and face the truth. If the mandate were removed from the ACA implementation, the GOP wold back down.

The true irony is that the ACA will hurt the Dems constituents the worst. Those that are upper-middle class and higher have their own health care policies and don't have to subscribe to this abomination. It's the lower income people that are being forced into the ACA plan they neither want nor can afford, yet if they don't comply, you can be assured that the IRS will do their job and jack up anyone not enrolled. That is when we will see your parties members in the streets protesting the ACA and the administration that has shoved it down their collective throats.

Don't try to impugn my motives or purposes as a citizen and voter of the United States by accusing me of lying.

[isawasnake]

I think people should be able to visit the hospital in the US much in the same way as they send their kids to public schools. Education and health should be at or near the top of the food chain when it comes to spending tax dollars in my opinion. The US is a great nation, but when it comes to health we just have our heads shoved way up there, a problem which seems to be perpetuated by people who use the word "socialism" over and over. Do they use the same word when they drive their son to a public school on a public road? I don't get it, and never will. Some people just need to wake up.

I am also not a huge fan of obamacare however. Forcing people to buy yet another product in the "land of the free". Need I say more? I think the correct answers to some of these difficult questions lie much more on the libertarian side of things. LET PEOPLE BE "STUPID", for lack of a better word. After all, the nation was born by people acting very "stupidly" and doing things like crossing the entire country in search of gold.

Where does that all leave me and my one little vote/opinion? Obama is just another pawn. Screw him. Obamacare seems like a total disaster. I'll tell you what, and I mean this, even if it was the cheapest payment in the world while being effective, if they FORCE me to buy it, I am not for it. In fact, I am staunchly against it. I believe there simply needs to be a restructuring of what and how much we spend our current tax dollars on. The questions are right there in front of us all: e.g., why would you rather bomb a country before healing your own citizens? Things will never change however, and this is why some of us end up in quaint places on the other side of the earth

[Jingthing]

How the world is viewing the U.S. government shutdown. Not with admiration!

http://theweek.com/article/index/250623/why-the-us-government-is-shut-down-5-theories-from-abroad

There's no doubt that the government shutdown has been an embarrassment for the U.S., with its friends and enemies alike looking on with amusement and/or horror as Congress descends into apocalyptic theatrics over a bill to finance the government for a mere six weeks.

The fight is particularly confusing to the U.S.'s allies in the developed world, where universal health care, another bone of contention in the shutdown fight, is as commonplace as traffic lights, clean tap water, and other hallmarks of modernity.

[Publicus]

Shutdown Crisis: We Need a Hostage Negotiator

With Washington held hostage by the far-right, the shutdown crisis is stuck in stalemate. John Avlon talks to a former FBI hostage negotiator about how to break the deadlock. Yes, it's come to this.

“It actually reminds me of a prison siege,” says Christopher Voss, a former FBI hostage negotiator, as he surveys the dysfunctional congressional deadlock. “The opposition isn’t particularly organized. The smart move is to pick among the leadership on the other side who is the most reasonable. Then you empower them by talking with them and granting some sort of small concession. And they suddenly gain a lot of influence on their side.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/10/06/shutdown-crisis-we-need-a-hostage-negotiator.html

[Baloo22]

Another shining example of the Obama doctrine of "The people must be made to feel the pain!"

Now we have Obama minions deliberately blocking people from parking their car and taking photographs of a view!

"Mount Rushmore blockage stirs anger in South Dakota

Barring visitors from view an unexpected effect of shutdown"

"Blocking access to trails and programs at South Dakota’s most popular attraction was one thing, but state officials didn’t expect Congress’ budget stalemate to shut down a view of Mount Rushmore.

The National Park Service placed cones along highway viewing areas outside Mount Rushmore this week, barring visitors from pulling over and taking pictures of the famed monument."

"Cones are shown along the road to Mount Rushmore. The National Parks Service placed the cones there to prevent viewers from stopping on the side of the road to view the monument. / Submitted photo (The Argus Leader, Sioux Falls, South Dakota)

[Credo]

That's a winner, Baloo. What do you think happens when you close a park down? All you can do at Mt. Rushmore is enjoy the view and if the viewing area is closed, then you can't enjoy the view.

I've been to plenty of national parks where an area is closed for everything from repairs, renovation, to danger from animal attacks. When it's closed, you can't go there. Nothing to do with Obama, nothing to do Obamacare. But, hey, keep trying.

[Publicus]

Another shining example of the Obama doctrine of "The people must be made to feel the pain!"

Now we have Obama minions deliberately blocking people from parking their car and taking photographs of a view!

"Mount Rushmore blockage stirs anger in South Dakota

Barring visitors from view an unexpected effect of shutdown"

"Blocking access to trails and programs at South Dakota’s most popular attraction was one thing, but state officials didn’t expect Congress’ budget stalemate to shut down a view of Mount Rushmore.

The National Park Service placed cones along highway viewing areas outside Mount Rushmore this week, barring visitors from pulling over and taking pictures of the famed monument."

Rushmore View Blockage.jpg

"Cones are shown along the road to Mount Rushmore. The National Parks Service placed the cones there to prevent viewers from stopping on the side of the road to view the monument. / Submitted photo (The Argus Leader, Sioux Falls, South Dakota)

How to pull a "doctrine" out of a hat.

[Baloo22]

That's a winner, Baloo. What do you think happens when you close a park down? All you can do at Mt. Rushmore is enjoy the view and if the viewing area is closed, then you can't enjoy the view.

I've been to plenty of national parks where an area is closed for everything from repairs, renovation, to danger from animal attacks. When it's closed, you can't go there. Nothing to do with Obama, nothing to do Obamacare. But, hey, keep trying.

The road is open! This is not something that is "staffed" with guides, custodians, etc that needed to be "shut down". It is essentially a number of existing asphalt parking spaces beside an existing road.

Note that the Park Service did find the resources to have staff go out and place a whole bunch of traffic cones out on the road. Not because of repairs, renovation, or danger from animal attacks either. But rather, to prevent citizens from pulling off the road and taking a photograph.

Also from the same article we learn that South Dakota's Gov. Dennis Daugaard offered to keep Mount Rushmore open using state resources. The National Park Service declined. Of course they declined. It would not suit Obama's or the Democrat's political purposes.

[Credo]

Well if the road is open, then you can see it as you drive by. The visitor's center and site areas are patrolled, policed and have facilities, such as restrooms.

But that's not the point. The point is that your buddies closed down the gov't. What did you expect? Everything to be open. If you want to see Mt. Rushmore write to one of your chosen congress people and have them get to work.

[Baloo22]

Well if the road is open, then you can see it as you drive by. The visitor's center and site areas are patrolled, policed and have facilities, such as restrooms.

But that's not the point. The point is that your buddies closed down the gov't. What did you expect? Everything to be open. If you want to see Mt. Rushmore write to one of your chosen congress people and have them get to work.

You are very confused here. The architects of the shutdown are Obama and Reid. And it is they and their minions who continue to refuse any negotiation. It is they that are determined to make the American people suffer as much as possible. They want this situation to go on as long as possible. The longer the Obama shutdown goes on, the longer the Obama IRS, Benghazi, NSA, and Press Surveillance abuses of power are put on the "back burner".

They seem to have no problem "patrolling" and "policing" to keep our World War 2 veterans out of their national memorial in Washington, DC. They seem to have enough funds to send staff out to place traffic cones along a road in South Dakota to prevent prevent citizens from parking a car on existing asphalt.

You are even more confused to think that I would ever lower myself to be "buddies" with Obama and Reid. They are far too lacking in character and integrity for me to ever consider them my friends.

[Jingthing]

This might be a little too inside baseball for some, but something might be brewing now:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/10/07/senate-dems-to-call-gops-bluff-on-debt-limit/

Senate Democrats are planning to start the process this week for a Senate vote on a clean debt limit increase, sources tell me – a move that could call the bluff of Republicans in both chambers and force them to take a stand on whether they will allow default and economic destruction if Dems don’t accept their unilateral demands.

The move has the backing of the White House, according to a source familiar with discussions.

[Chicog]

The architects of the shutdown are Obama and Reid.

Once again: If the Tea Party stop trying to sabotage the ACA, which is already in process, and just put the clean spending bill before the House, it will pass.

Boehner is the villain of this piece, he's a dog on a lead being shaken by the Tea Party, and he is not fit for office.

The Republicans are pathetic. They simply cannot accept that they lost the election.

[Jingthing]

Yes, they are both pathetic and dangerous. They care not what mass destruction they cause. Perhaps the American democracy is broken if these insurgents can continue to get elected in their rigged districts.

[notmyself]

Didn't the ACA already pass both houses?