Thai Ombudsman forgives Kittiratt's 'white lie'

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Ombudsman forgives Kittiratt's 'white lie'
Chanikarn Phumhiran
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The Office of Ombudsman has cleared Finance Minister Kittiratt Na-Ranong of charges related to a "white lie" he made on last year's economic forecast.

The September 13 ruling said Kittiratt had just spoken aloud and that his comment did not have an adverse impact on the private sector or businesses, office spokesman Raksagecha Chaechai said yesterday.

Even though Kittiratt conceded that his prediction had fallen short of expectation, businesses did not rely solely on what he said but had made their own assessments as well, Raksagecha said.

In the ruling, the prime minister was advised to have her ministers take extra precaution in terms of accuracy in order to safeguard her government's credibility.

Early last year, Kittiratt predicted that the economy would grow close to 15 per cent before he made a complete about face. In his defence he said he was obliged to remain optimistic in order to ensure a positive business climate.


-- The Nation 2013-10-04

[NongKhaiKid]

What's the point of this office as the incumbent seems to spend his time looking for reasons not to do his job.

Naturally, and perhaps with good reason, he doesn't have what it takes to find against a senior cabinet minister but that pales in comparison as to how he is treated with utter contempt by YL's refusal to answer questions over the issue of her brother's passport.

The Ombudsman's response is to just keep extending the deadline by which he expects a response, one he is never going to get.

[Halion]

What a most novel way to explain bullshit. "Obliged to remain optimistic in order to ensure a positive business climate."

[Thai at Heart]

Early last year, Kittiratt predicted that the economy would grow close to 15 per cent before he made a complete about face. In his defence he said he was obliged to remain optimistic in order to ensure a positive business climate.

Please note that apparently these opinions do not bear any reality to the Thai economy and that any statements are forward looking and this subject to bullshit and bluster. Please don't take anything I say seriously, I just work here.

[Thait Spot]

Is there any more credibility to lose I wonder?

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[MaxLee]

How much did the Phru Thai pay the Ombudsman under the table???

[siampolee]

Well do we, did we really expect other different statement or indeed action from a morally bankrupt society a government manipulated by a convicted bail jumping felon, born again liars and self serving cheats?

P.T.P. tell us all that black is now white and white is now black and Saint Thaksin is the country's savior.

[ppmacready]

Our politicians constantly lie.

Apparently so do Thai ones.

So what?

[Pib]

In the ruling, the prime minister was advised to have her ministers take extra precaution in terms of accuracy in order to safeguard her government's credibility.

Oh gosh, excuse me, I just spent five minutes LMAO. "...take extra precautions in terms of accuracy..." the PM was advised. Politicians distort facts and make BS comments all the time....accuracy is the furthest thing from their little brains. Oh gosh, excuse me, here I go again....

Edited October 4, 2013 by Pib

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Ombudsman: Deputy Premier Kittiratt’s white lie not unethical
By English News



BANGKOK, Oct 4 – The 'white lie' regarding Thailand’s economic figures, made by Deputy Prime Minister Kittiratt Na-Ranong last year, was not unethical, the Ombudsman Office has ruled.

Raksagecha Chaechai, Ombudsman deputy secretary general, said Mr Kittiratt’s statement on achievable 15 per cent export growth for Thailand in 2012 was a positive forecast and it showed the government’s attempt to reach the target.

Mr Kittiratt’s white lie, publicly announced on the first anniversary of the Yingluck Shinawatra administration, was severely criticised and prompted a call for an investigation to determine if his statement was ethical or not.

Mr Raksagecha said the Ombudsman made the decision on September 13 and submitted it to the complainants and Prime Minister Yingluck, in her capacity as Mr Kittiratt’s superior.

The Ombudsman said some private agencies including the Thai Chamber of Commerce, the Thai Banks Association and the Industrial Federation of Thailand were asked to explain on the forecast of economic figures.

They insisted that Mr Kittiratt’s statement did not have any impact on their businesses.

“Every government has to give its economic projection. Whether it is achievable or not depends on the economic situation,” said the Ombudsman.

The Ombudsman said Mr Kittiratt later admitted that his export projection for 2012 was not achieved and that his statement was not a breach of the Prime Minister’s Office regulations on ethics of political position holders, said Mr Raksakecha.

He said the Ombudsman, however, told the prime minister to warn the deputy prime minister against making public statement that may jeopardise people’s confidence of the country. (MCOT online news)


-- TNA 2013-10-04

[Patje]

I would have totally believed him too if he announced that pigs could fly !!!

[Tatsujin]

Ombudsman: Deputy Premier Kittiratt’s white lie not unethical

Cos ethics don't exist here in Thailand so it doesn't count.

[I knew this would happen]

Our politicians constantly lie.

Apparently so do Thai ones.

So what?

Some politicans try at least to sound credible though they are lying. The excuses and lies Thai politicans sometimes spread are really gorgeous.

When there´s a snowstorm outside they will still pretend it´s summer, it´s almost insulting. Do they think everyone is so dumb? (That´s something i want to ask many politicans, not just Thai ones)

[worgeordie]

Another "Honest mistake" maybe, Truth and any Government

do not go hand in hand,we are like mushrooms, they keep us

in the dark and feed us shit.

regards Worgeordie

[h90]

Our politicians constantly lie.

Apparently so do Thai ones.

So what?

Some politicans try at least to sound credible though they are lying. The excuses and lies Thai politicans sometimes spread are really gorgeous.

When there´s a snowstorm outside they will still pretend it´s summer, it´s almost insulting. Do they think everyone is so dumb? (That´s something i want to ask many politicans, not just Thai ones)

They think we are all dumb, and they are right.....in fact we re-elect them again and again.

Common sense would expect that every 4 years the ruling parties and most of the opposition fall below 1 % and some complete new parties rise.

But no we vote for the liars again....so we deserve it.

[klauskunkel]

Ombudsman: Deputy Premier Kittiratt’s white lie not unethical

My question: at what color does a lie become unethical? Darn racists...

[I knew this would happen]

Our politicians constantly lie.

Apparently so do Thai ones.

So what?

Some politicans try at least to sound credible though they are lying. The excuses and lies Thai politicans sometimes spread are really gorgeous.

When there´s a snowstorm outside they will still pretend it´s summer, it´s almost insulting. Do they think everyone is so dumb? (That´s something i want to ask many politicans, not just Thai ones)

They think we are all dumb, and they are right.....in fact we re-elect them again and again.

Common sense would expect that every 4 years the ruling parties and most of the opposition fall below 1 % and some complete new parties rise.

But no we vote for the liars again....so we deserve it.

Mostly you can choose between the devil and deep blue sea. Even if there are new parties, after a while they will change from beeing reformers to beeing "politicans" (puppets)

Whoever is in power will have to "sell" his ideals to corruption, lobbyism and the banksters.

[rametindallas]

Here we have, in one story, proof that the Finance Minister and the Ombudsman are incompetent and derelict in their duties. Possibly include the PM for leaving them in their posts. No need to look further.

[hellodolly]

"BANGKOK: -- The Office of Ombudsman has cleared Finance Minister Kittiratt Na-Ranong of charges related to a "white lie" he made on last year's economic forecast."

Translation it is the government there fore OK. Now shut up and eat your rice some of it is OK.

[RubbaJohnny]

Is this the etymology of

"to rat on a deal"

reassuiring that such an esteemed body has assured us he was not a doity rat and we can all sleep sound in our beds until the floods don't come.It is chaps like this that are helping make the country what is to day and their legacy will be Subaru priceless carved in dehli belly

[siampolee]

Here we have, in one story, proof that the Finance Minister and the Ombudsman are incompetent and derelict in their duties. Possibly include the PM for leaving them in their posts. No need to look further.

Indeed so true it is impossible to see over the horizon to Dubai, Hong Kong or Macua or wherever the puppet master may now be at this moment in time.

[Baerboxer]

So the ombudsman thinks there are such things as ethical lies? Presumably he can give us a clear definition between an ethical and unethical lie.

Of course, accountants and bankers in the West have been manipulating the truth, words, and the laws and regulations for years. But here, it seems you don't even have to pretend anymore. Maybe more honest in some way? Or just an expression of arrogance and contempt for the non-connected.

[Baerboxer]

What's the point of this office as the incumbent seems to spend his time looking for reasons not to do his job.

Naturally, and perhaps with good reason, he doesn't have what it takes to find against a senior cabinet minister but that pales in comparison as to how he is treated with utter contempt by YL's refusal to answer questions over the issue of her brother's passport.

The Ombudsman's response is to just keep extending the deadline by which he expects a response, one he is never going to get.

Yingluck and her relations will never answer question on the passport. It was illegally issued, therefore the government broke the law and should be forced to resign and those responsible punished according to the law. Never, ever going to happen. Ignoring the question saves face and any silly comments from the farang press who might pick up on it. The ombudsman meekly accepts being told they need another 3 or 6 months or whatever. This will keep on going on until the leader's back and whitewashed. Then simply forgotten because they'll include this in the whitewash - all in the interests of democracy and reconciliation don't you know.

But put it into context. Red Bull heir does a runner, cock and bull story of "illness", speed charge expires. No attempt to extradite him, and press comments suppressed, But, he only killed a policeman, dragging his body with his Ferrari, whilst speeding (charge expired so not proven), under the influence of alcohol (may have had a drink when at home), traces of narcotics (seems to not interest prosecutors), fled the scene, tried to pervert the course of justice etc etc. Clearly not serious - bail granted, allowed to leave the country, breaks promise to return, but still no extradition request. Actor shoot guy in the face, lies about circumstance, but caught on CCTV. Changes story, says how sorry and devastated he is - case seems to have simply disappeared. No more media reports.

Actress admits taking drugs, father publicly apologizes then the somewhat colourfull Minister of Labour turns up, as his relation is her boyfriend. All a big mistake - she didn't do drugs after all.

Lie after lie after lie. It's ingrained in all levels of Thai society. Lie if you have to - must keep face, never be wrong, always innocent, never responsible.

[drdoom6996]

What a most novel way to explain bullshit. "Obliged to remain optimistic in order to ensure a positive business climate."

In the ruling, the prime minister was advised to have her ministers take extra precaution in terms of accuracy in order to safeguard her government's credibility.

I have a question, What Credibility???

[GrantSmith]

No different to the former Deputy Australian Prime Minister and Treasurer Wayne Swann stating countless times that the former Government would bring the budget into surplus by 2013...

Didn't happen....

[bigbamboo]

Ombudsman: Deputy Premier Kittiratt’s white lie not unethical

By English News

BANGKOK, Oct 4 – The 'white lie' regarding Thailand’s economic figures, made by Deputy Prime Minister Kittiratt Na-Ranong last year, was not unethical, the Ombudsman Office has ruled.

Raksagecha Chaechai, Ombudsman deputy secretary general, said Mr Kittiratt’s statement on achievable 15 per cent export growth for Thailand in 2012 was a positive forecast and it showed the government’s attempt to reach the target.

Mr Kittiratt’s white lie, publicly announced on the first anniversary of the Yingluck Shinawatra administration, was severely criticised and prompted a call for an investigation to determine if his statement was ethical or not.

Mr Raksagecha said the Ombudsman made the decision on September 13 and submitted it to the complainants and Prime Minister Yingluck, in her capacity as Mr Kittiratt’s superior.

The Ombudsman said some private agencies including the Thai Chamber of Commerce, the Thai Banks Association and the Industrial Federation of Thailand were asked to explain on the forecast of economic figures.

They insisted that Mr Kittiratt’s statement did not have any impact on their businesses.

“Every government has to give its economic projection. Whether it is achievable or not depends on the economic situation,” said the Ombudsman.

The Ombudsman said Mr Kittiratt later admitted that his export projection for 2012 was not achieved and that his statement was not a breach of the Prime Minister’s Office regulations on ethics of political position holders, said Mr Raksakecha.

He said the Ombudsman, however, told the prime minister to warn the deputy prime minister against making public statement that may jeopardise people’s confidence of the country. (MCOT online news)

-- TNA 2013-10-04

Kittirat's lie maybe not be judged unethical by Thai standards but by international standard it was not only unethical but incredibly irresponsible..

He is now regarded by the world's economists as someone whose word cannot be trusted and as such is an irrelevance. It would be wiser to obtain any information from one of the monkeys at the Finance Ministry rather than this embarrassing organ grinder.

[Thai at Heart]

Ombudsman: Deputy Premier Kittiratts white lie not unethical

By English News

BANGKOK, Oct 4 The 'white lie' regarding Thailands economic figures, made by Deputy Prime Minister Kittiratt Na-Ranong last year, was not unethical, the Ombudsman Office has ruled.

Raksagecha Chaechai, Ombudsman deputy secretary general, said Mr Kittiratts statement on achievable 15 per cent export growth for Thailand in 2012 was a positive forecast and it showed the governments attempt to reach the target.

Mr Kittiratts white lie, publicly announced on the first anniversary of the Yingluck Shinawatra administration, was severely criticised and prompted a call for an investigation to determine if his statement was ethical or not.

Mr Raksagecha said the Ombudsman made the decision on September 13 and submitted it to the complainants and Prime Minister Yingluck, in her capacity as Mr Kittiratts superior.

The Ombudsman said some private agencies including the Thai Chamber of Commerce, the Thai Banks Association and the Industrial Federation of Thailand were asked to explain on the forecast of economic figures.

They insisted that Mr Kittiratts statement did not have any impact on their businesses.

Every government has to give its economic projection. Whether it is achievable or not depends on the economic situation, said the Ombudsman.

The Ombudsman said Mr Kittiratt later admitted that his export projection for 2012 was not achieved and that his statement was not a breach of the Prime Ministers Office regulations on ethics of political position holders, said Mr Raksakecha.

He said the Ombudsman, however, told the prime minister to warn the deputy prime minister against making public statement that may jeopardise peoples confidence of the country. (MCOT online news)

-- TNA 2013-10-04

Do they understand that it is quite an oxymoron to lie and remain ethical at the same time?

[confirmed3]

- The Office of Ombudsman has cleared Finance Minister Kittiratt Na-Ranong of charges related to a "white lie" he made on last year's economic forecast.

The September 13 ruling said Kittiratt had just spoken aloud

They are forgiving him because Kittiratt is the Homer Simpson of the Yingluck Cabinet

Did I say that aloud? I was supposed to only think that... D'Oh!

[casindonet]

How could lying be unethical? Lying is wrong, period.

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[Thai at Heart]

How could lying be unethical? Lying is wrong, period.

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I think that this thread sums up everything that is going wrong in Thailand perfectly.