Thailand, Hub of Disgrace, but Land of Excuses

[Gonzo the Face]

Sunday's happening regarding the pregnant Thai woman who was turned away from a Bangkok hospital , returned home to give birth, all alone, and the infant then dies.

If this is not a disgrace, I don't know what is!

Apparently The Nation chooses not to report on the incident, or else has the write-up hidden deep inside the adverts, but thanks to social networks and the paper that cannot be mentioned, the info is out.

Supposedly chalked up to " miscommunication ".

Facts:

The woman was turned away and told her SS did not cover here situation.

She was told to go to another hospitial or pay the 15,000 -18,000 baht, upfront, which she did not have.

She returned home and all alone, gave birth to a little boy, who later died.

An infant, a newborn, the MOST precious of all worldly resources , lost due to lack of common sense.

Excuses:

Now in typical fashion , let the excuses start :

and I am sure the list will be much longer, with "not my faults", But the infant is still dead.

I don't know about any others of you, but to me it says the hospital, or any hospital doing the same , says to you " if you have no money we are in the right to let you die ", its just the rules of business.

What in heavens name happened to logic, common sense and/or Thai compassion

Edited October 15, 2013 by Gonzo the Face

[mjj]

Maybe it's because I'm from the UK, but for any country to be classed as civilised to me, it has to have free (or heavily subsidised) health care. No one should ever be turned away from a hospital.

[benalibina]

Proves how SOME thais think about the value of life of the innocent. Despicable !!

[Berkshire]

This sort of thing happens in America as well....which is why the US government has been trying to create a system whereby everyone would have access to medical care/health insurance. But now the "other side" is trying to dismantle the new law. It's complicated, but in this Thai case, the OP deliberately fails to mention that Thai people on social media are pretty disgusted by what happened. But yet, he's still attacking Thai people. An axe to grind, OP?

[Gonzo the Face]

This sort of thing happens in America as well....which is why the US government has been trying to create a system whereby everyone would have access to medical care/health insurance. But now the "other side" is trying to dismantle the new law. It's complicated, but in this Thai case, the OP deliberately fails to mention that Thai people on social media are pretty disgusted by what happened. But yet, he's still attacking Thai people. An axe to grind, OP?

Yes Berkshire, I do ..... I happen to care about others, and in particuliar children, who have no one to protect them except for their adults..... 'Care' Berkshire...... try it sometime, you just may find that it has an effect on you

[benalibina]

This sort of thing happens in America as well....which is why the US government has been trying to create a system whereby everyone would have access to medical care/health insurance. But now the "other side" is trying to dismantle the new law. It's complicated, but in this Thai case, the OP deliberately fails to mention that Thai people on social media are pretty disgusted by what happened. But yet, he's still attacking Thai people. An axe to grind, OP?

You deliberately fail to read the OP properly.

[mrtoad]

I question any healthcare professional , that turns away an emergency case from a hospital, what they are doing in that said profession? However, often it's some jumped up little admin dolly marching around with the payment forms, who appears to be the gatekeepers of admissions for hospitals. It's a screwed up system.

[Berkshire]

This sort of thing happens in America as well....which is why the US government has been trying to create a system whereby everyone would have access to medical care/health insurance. But now the "other side" is trying to dismantle the new law. It's complicated, but in this Thai case, the OP deliberately fails to mention that Thai people on social media are pretty disgusted by what happened. But yet, he's still attacking Thai people. An axe to grind, OP?

Yes Berkshire, I do ..... I happen to care about others, and in particuliar children, who have no one to protect them except for their adults..... 'Care' Berkshire...... try it sometime, you just may find that it has an effect on you

There's a difference between caring and pretending to care. You seem to be doing more of the latter. If you can try actually caring without having to attack the entire populace of this country, I'd have more respect for you and your opinion.

[iancnx]

I think the OP has highlighted a topic worthy of consideration. No room for Thai bashing here. What he has exposed is plain mindless cruelty, not just for the loss of the infant, but what about the poor mother. Compassion? Non of that here. Berkshire shame on you for trying to score some kind of lousy point!

[Berkshire]

This sort of thing happens in America as well....which is why the US government has been trying to create a system whereby everyone would have access to medical care/health insurance. But now the "other side" is trying to dismantle the new law. It's complicated, but in this Thai case, the OP deliberately fails to mention that Thai people on social media are pretty disgusted by what happened. But yet, he's still attacking Thai people. An axe to grind, OP?

You deliberately fail to read the OP properly.

No I did not.

[Berkshire]

I think the OP has highlighted a topic worthy of consideration. No room for Thai bashing here. What he has exposed is plain mindless cruelty, not just for the loss of the infant, but what about the poor mother. Compassion? Non of that here. Berkshire shame on you for trying to score some kind of lousy point!

What on Earth are you talking about? The OP hasn't given the full story because he doesn't know the full story. And to blame an entire country for the acts of a few is asinine.

[iancnx]

I think the OP has highlighted a topic worthy of consideration. No room for Thai bashing here. What he has exposed is plain mindless cruelty, not just for the loss of the infant, but what about the poor mother. Compassion? Non of that here. Berkshire shame on you for trying to score some kind of lousy point!

What on Earth are you talking about? The OP hasn't given the full story because he doesn't know the full story. And to blame an entire country for the acts of a few is asinine.

Help!

[benalibina]

I think the OP has highlighted a topic worthy of consideration. No room for Thai bashing here. What he has exposed is plain mindless cruelty, not just for the loss of the infant, but what about the poor mother. Compassion? Non of that here. Berkshire shame on you for trying to score some kind of lousy point!

What on Earth are you talking about? The OP hasn't given the full story because he doesn't know the full story. And to blame an entire country for the acts of a few is asinine.

Blame an entire country ???? Jezus man get a sober life. You are reading some things which are not there. All a phantom of your imagination !

[Jasun]

Sad, sad situation. It's hard to know how it even came about, nobody just turns up to a Thai hospital to have a baby. There are a series of consultations and clearly laid out steps of how and what and where you are supposed to go when having a baby.

If this was an emergency, the hospital has an obligation to taker her in. Shameful for turning her away if that was the case. But if it was the early stages of labor, it's quite common for the woman to be moved between hospitals for various reasons. In my opinion, the mother should have gone to the next hospital as quickly as possible when she was advised, and not simply gone home.

The mother's actions also contributed to this sorry outcome.

[HeijoshinCool]

This sort of thing happens in America as well....which is why the US government has been trying to create a system whereby everyone would have access to medical care/health insurance. But now the "other side" is trying to dismantle the new law. It's complicated, but in this Thai case, the OP deliberately fails to mention that Thai people on social media are pretty disgusted by what happened. But yet, he's still attacking Thai people. An axe to grind, OP?

I rarely respond with "nonsense," but, nonsense.

Anyone from any country, even with empty pockets, has always been able to wheel into an emergency room of any hospital in America and be treated in an emergency. By law, they must be stabilized. And, at least in the States, this woman would have legal recourse.

OP, I've said it here many times, you get what you pay for. People rave about low cost here. Medical tourists flock here.

I'd rather go into debt and be treated by a doctor in the west.

Generally speaking, here, one becomes a physician for the money, ultimately for the face. Losing a patient is not a motivating factor to ensure proper care.

Doctors I know and worked with in California, are personally deeply pained when they lose a patient. They give their all.

Life has far less value here. death is viewed differently. Face is everything.

Generally speaking, that is.

[HeijoshinCool]

Sad, sad situation. It's hard to know how it even came about, nobody just turns up to a Thai hospital to have a baby. There are a series of consultations and clearly laid out steps of how and what and where you are supposed to go when having a baby.

If this was an emergency, the hospital has an obligation to taker her in. Shameful for turning her away if that was the case. But if it was the early stages of labor, it's quite common for the woman to be moved between hospitals for various reasons. In my opinion, the mother should have gone to the next hospital as quickly as possible when she was advised, and not simply gone home.

The mother's actions also contributed to this sorry outcome.

[kevvy]

A child has died..... A innocent human being has died and people are fighting over this . this really is disgusting. I feel so sad that a mother has lost her child ...how sad she must be feeling .....shame on all of those people who do not care for this innocent child which has sadly died .

RIP sweet innocent child.

[Lancelot]

Even in the USA, where so many people are uninsured, patients with life threatning medical issues may not be turned away.

[Crossy]

Now running in the news forum http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/674668-mph-to-scrutinize-a-private-thai-hospital-refusing-to-take-pregnant-lady-in-labor/

[seajae]

once again we see berko trying to create something that simply isnt there, the op is correct in saying thais, it is the plural of thai(one). It does not mean every thai but simply those that fit the bill and are a part of the complaint. This nit picking shows that berko is too far up himself and needs to pull his head out of his bum and cut all the hollier than thou crap. This incident is truly pathetic, hospitals are there to help not hinder people in desperate need of medical attention but there are several in Thailand that see money as the most important thing, not the medical condition. Anyone denying that this is terrible is showing just how pathetic they are, trying to score points is just as bad but we see the usual suspect doing so.

[oogster8]

Maybe it's because I'm from the UK, but for any country to be classed as civilised to me, it has to have free (or heavily subsidised) health care. No one should ever be turned away from a hospital.

socialized healthcare sucks. What are you on? 3 months to see a doctor then months more to get treatment! Thats uncivilised to me.

Nothing is FREE. You ever notice your tax rates?

[Berkshire]

once again we see berko trying to create something that simply isnt there, the op is correct in saying thais, it is the plural of thai(one). It does not mean every thai but simply those that fit the bill and are a part of the complaint. This nit picking shows that berko is too far up himself and needs to pull his head out of his bum and cut all the hollier than thou crap. This incident is truly pathetic, hospitals are there to help not hinder people in desperate need of medical attention but there are several in Thailand that see money as the most important thing, not the medical condition. Anyone denying that this is terrible is showing just how pathetic they are, trying to score points is just as bad but we see the usual suspect doing so.

Perhaps I can get a simple yes or no answer from you and all the other nitwits on this thread. Clearly, any woman who was denied treatment for her and her child, which consequently resulted in the death of her child, is a victim of a horrible tragedy. And I'm certain that pretty much every Thai person who knows about what happened would believe that this is a horrible tragedy and those responsible should be brought to account. Agree, yes or no?

[benalibina]

once again we see berko trying to create something that simply isnt there, the op is correct in saying thais, it is the plural of thai(one). It does not mean every thai but simply those that fit the bill and are a part of the complaint. This nit picking shows that berko is too far up himself and needs to pull his head out of his bum and cut all the hollier than thou crap. This incident is truly pathetic, hospitals are there to help not hinder people in desperate need of medical attention but there are several in Thailand that see money as the most important thing, not the medical condition. Anyone denying that this is terrible is showing just how pathetic they are, trying to score points is just as bad but we see the usual suspect doing so.

Perhaps I can get a simple yes or no answer from you and all the other nitwits on this thread. Clearly, any woman who was denied treatment for her and her child, which consequently resulted in the death of her child, is a victim of a horrible tragedy. And I'm certain that pretty much every Thai person who knows about what happened would believe that this is a horrible tragedy and those responsible should be brought to account. Agree, yes or no?

Yes. Just say sorry, if youre a man !

[iancnx]

Berkshire shame on you for trying to score some kind of lousy point!..... This was your opportunity to exit left gracefully!

[Berkshire]

once again we see berko trying to create something that simply isnt there, the op is correct in saying thais, it is the plural of thai(one). It does not mean every thai but simply those that fit the bill and are a part of the complaint. This nit picking shows that berko is too far up himself and needs to pull his head out of his bum and cut all the hollier than thou crap. This incident is truly pathetic, hospitals are there to help not hinder people in desperate need of medical attention but there are several in Thailand that see money as the most important thing, not the medical condition. Anyone denying that this is terrible is showing just how pathetic they are, trying to score points is just as bad but we see the usual suspect doing so.

Perhaps I can get a simple yes or no answer from you and all the other nitwits on this thread. Clearly, any woman who was denied treatment for her and her child, which consequently resulted in the death of her child, is a victim of a horrible tragedy. And I'm certain that pretty much every Thai person who knows about what happened would believe that this is a horrible tragedy and those responsible should be brought to account. Agree, yes or no?

Yes. Just say sorry, if youre a man !

Bravo to you, then.

[Berkshire]

Berkshire shame on you for trying to score some kind of lousy point!..... This was your opportunity to exit left gracefully!

iancnx, I still have no idea what the heck you're talking about. But by all means, keep talking to yourself if it makes you feel good.

[iancnx]

Ignore button..... Press!

[Berkshire]

This sort of thing happens in America as well....which is why the US government has been trying to create a system whereby everyone would have access to medical care/health insurance. But now the "other side" is trying to dismantle the new law. It's complicated, but in this Thai case, the OP deliberately fails to mention that Thai people on social media are pretty disgusted by what happened. But yet, he's still attacking Thai people. An axe to grind, OP?

Life has far less value here. death is viewed differently. Face is everything.

If you really believe that about Thailand, then there's no point trying to have a rational discussion with you.

[benalibina]

once again we see berko trying to create something that simply isnt there, the op is correct in saying thais, it is the plural of thai(one). It does not mean every thai but simply those that fit the bill and are a part of the complaint. This nit picking shows that berko is too far up himself and needs to pull his head out of his bum and cut all the hollier than thou crap. This incident is truly pathetic, hospitals are there to help not hinder people in desperate need of medical attention but there are several in Thailand that see money as the most important thing, not the medical condition. Anyone denying that this is terrible is showing just how pathetic they are, trying to score points is just as bad but we see the usual suspect doing so.

Perhaps I can get a simple yes or no answer from you and all the other nitwits on this thread. Clearly, any woman who was denied treatment for her and her child, which consequently resulted in the death of her child, is a victim of a horrible tragedy. And I'm certain that pretty much every Thai person who knows about what happened would believe that this is a horrible tragedy and those responsible should be brought to account. Agree, yes or no?

Yes. Just say sorry, if youre a man !

Bravo to you, then.

Saving face is something which is quite apparant with people worldwide, might add even more in thailand. It seems that you have adapted quite well into that unfortunous part of thai society. Just come back and write down SORRY for totally misinterpreting the OP. The more you defend yourself, the more a fool you look and thus therefore lacking any future credibility. Be wise.

[Berkshire]

Just come back and write down SORRY for totally misinterpreting the OP.

So I'm totally misinterpreting the OP? How about you read the thread title and explain to me what he means? If he's not talking about Thai people when he says "Thailand," then yes, I am misinterpreting the OP.