US Senate votes to raise debt cap, reopen government

[Baloo22]

Obamacare has had nothing but a long history of lies and distortions against it so now we have more.

Lies and distortions? There have been some real doozies.

"If you like your plan you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Period.

-Barack Obama

Even Obama's "Lap-Dog Media" outlets are now reporting on his lies and distortions.

" Obama administration knew millions could not keep their health insurance "

By Lisa Myers and Hannah Rappleye, NBC News

" President Obama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it. But millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.

Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC News that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.” "

Much more on Obama's lies and distortions at the link above.

[Baloo22]

Obamacare has had nothing but a long history of lies and distortions against it so now we have more. And after this mess is cleaned up, anti-Obamacare fanatics will invent and create more outright lies and distortions.

That's the history of it to date, with more to come for sure.

So, for the record, here are facts about converting the coverage provided by existing policies, to the upgraded and subsidized ACA insurance that gives you protections, instead of there being so many existing policies for which you pay something but get nothing.

The truth of the insurance policy change is specifically that they will be cancelled and reissued. You will be reissued a new policy because insurance companies cannot cancel you as an insured client. Insurance companies must provide you a minimum level of service.

So policies that don’t meet the minimum requirements under the ACA might require an upgrade.

If you want or need to upgrade your coverage/policy, and if it costs more, then you can get subsidies - you can get supplementary money from the government if you qualify.

And if your cost is going up, you'll probably qualify. Further, you will end up with better health and medical insurance that actually covers something, not the one you have that gets you nothing.

These are the consumer protection aspects of coverage minimums that the ACA makes sure you have by law.

http://www.livenewschat.eu/2013/10/millions-with-individual-with-sub-par-insurance-plans-could-expect-cancellation-letters/

ObamaCare has had a long history of lies and distortions.

So, now you say insurance policies will be "cancelled and reissued". And those insurance policies "might require an upgrade." An " upgrade "! Really??

And if a citizen decides that he or she does not want an " upgrade " ??

Then you say " If you want or need to upgrade your coverage/policy, and if it costs more, then you can get subsidies - you can get supplementary money from the government if you qualify. " Ah yes! Note that little " ...if you qualify. " And if you, citizen, don't " qualify ", you are well and truly screwed!!

Your whole statement, just like the disgusting mess known as ObamaCare, is a long, long, long way from:

↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓

" If you like your plan you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Period. "

-Barack Obama

[Berkshire]

The Republicans had to take their strong and public stance demanding a delay in the start of Obamacare so they wouldn't be blamed for its outcome. It is now obvious to everyone who it is that forced this on Americans and the Democrats were very public about being proud of themselves.

Now when/as is crashes, the Republicans can sit back like the cat that ate the canary and enjoy watching their opponents crash.

You really believe that? Because that would take a really cohesive, brilliant, and daring strategist, none of which are hallmarks of today's GOP. No NS, it's much, much simpler than that. Because revamping the severely broken US medical care system would be a huge accomplishment for any sitting President. The Republicans know that this will be President Obama's legacy and they don't want him succeeding in anything, especially something so significant. That's it, and that's all.

"Because revamping the severely broken US medical care system would be a huge accomplishment for any sitting President."

Good grief. Anyone who thinks Obamacare does one single thing to revamp a broken health care system hasn't paid attention. It does nothing to fix the problems with the health care system. It leaves all of the problems intact, and attempts to force them on people.

Obama's "legacy" will be Obamacare all right. He will be known as the King of Disasters.

People truly need to stop beginning their thinking with the idea that Obamacare fixes anything or helps anyone. It's an unmitigated disaster.

You should read this article regarding the original implementation efforts:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/28/opinion/carroll-gop-obamacare-hypocrisy/index.html?iid=article_sidebar

Essentially, the GOP has been trying to make implementation difficult, if not impossible, from the beginning. And when the rollout was a disaster, they sit back and say "I told you so!" Nevermind that they caused the problem to begin with. Amazing. Politics in America.

[Ulysses G.]

It is the Republican's fault that the Obamacare website is a complete mess and that Obama misled the public about being able to keep their doctors and insurance plans? Nonsense. The buck stops with the president who pushed a faulty bill.

Edited October 30, 2013 by Ulysses G.

[Baloo22]

It is the Republican's fault that the Obamacare website is a complete mess and that Obama misled the public about being able to keep their doctors and insurance plans? Nonsense. The buck stops with the president who pushed a faulty bill.

" The buck stops with the president... " ?? You obviously did not get the proper "Blame Deflection" memo from the Obama admin;

1.) It's Bush's fault !

2.) It's the Republican's fault !

3.) Nobody told me !!

4.) I found out about this from the news reports the same way you did !!

[NeverSure]

Yes, Obama promised that if you like your insurance and your doctor, you can keep them.

I just saw on the news that 2 million Americans have already been notified that their private insurance will be cancelled on Jan/1/2014.

Obamacare mandates that all insurance policies must meet certain criteria. If an insurer is unwilling to do that, there is no law requiring it to.

The people who have been so notified, can't log into the Federal website to buy Obamacare and they don't know what they'll do.

If they ever do manage to buy into one of the exchanges, they will probably be assigned a group of doctors that may not include their own.

This is not government provided health care. It is a mandate that everyone must have his own insurance or pay a fine.

If a person has a private employer insurance "cadillac" policy, he will be taxed on the amount that exceeds the Obamacare levels. Up until now, all employer provided health care has been tax free.

This is an unmitigated disaster. The Democrats are going to get all of the blame because it's well known that they shoved this down America's throat.

[NeverSure]

The Republicans had to take their strong and public stance demanding a delay in the start of Obamacare so they wouldn't be blamed for its outcome. It is now obvious to everyone who it is that forced this on Americans and the Democrats were very public about being proud of themselves.

Now when/as is crashes, the Republicans can sit back like the cat that ate the canary and enjoy watching their opponents crash.

You really believe that? Because that would take a really cohesive, brilliant, and daring strategist, none of which are hallmarks of today's GOP. No NS, it's much, much simpler than that. Because revamping the severely broken US medical care system would be a huge accomplishment for any sitting President. The Republicans know that this will be President Obama's legacy and they don't want him succeeding in anything, especially something so significant. That's it, and that's all.

"Because revamping the severely broken US medical care system would be a huge accomplishment for any sitting President."

Good grief. Anyone who thinks Obamacare does one single thing to revamp a broken health care system hasn't paid attention. It does nothing to fix the problems with the health care system. It leaves all of the problems intact, and attempts to force them on people.

Obama's "legacy" will be Obamacare all right. He will be known as the King of Disasters.

People truly need to stop beginning their thinking with the idea that Obamacare fixes anything or helps anyone. It's an unmitigated disaster.

You should read this article regarding the original implementation efforts:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/28/opinion/carroll-gop-obamacare-hypocrisy/index.html?iid=article_sidebar

Essentially, the GOP has been trying to make implementation difficult, if not impossible, from the beginning. And when the rollout was a disaster, they sit back and say "I told you so!" Nevermind that they caused the problem to begin with. Amazing. Politics in America.

Typical slanted media spin. The US has 3 branches of Government. The Legislative, the Executive, and the Judicial. The rollout of Obamacare is completely the responsibility of the Executive branch of which Obama is Chief.

No money? The executive branch decides what it spends its money on, and it spent something like 600 million dollars on a web site which doesn't work, and which should have cost no more than $1 million. The US is the land of web sites with high traffic such as Ebay, Twitter, Google, Amazon, Facebook etc. and this puny website designed for use by a relatively few people compared to the commercial sites listed above would be a walk in the park for the right people. But government is always the King of Screwups.

Just keep watching the news. This Obamacare is a screw-up from one end to the other and all of the news going forward will be bad. It was voted into law without one single Republican vote, and is all Democrats', and they've had 3 1/2 years since it was voted into law, with Obama at the helm, to get it ready.

[MaxYakov]

Typical slanted media spin. The US has 3 branches of Government. The Legislative, the Executive, and the Judicial. The rollout of Obamacare is completely the responsibility of the Executive branch of which Obama is Chief.

No money? The executive branch decides what it spends its money on, and it spent something like 600 million dollars on a web site which doesn't work, and which should have cost no more than $1 million. The US is the land of web sites with high traffic such as Ebay, Twitter, Google, Amazon, Facebook etc. and this puny website designed for use by a relatively few people compared to the commercial sites listed above would be a walk in the park for the right people. But government is always the King of Screwups.

Just keep watching the news. This Obamacare is a screw-up from one end to the other and all of the news going forward will be bad. It was voted into law without one single Republican vote, and is all Democrats', and they've had 3 1/2 years since it was voted into law, with Obama at the helm, to get it ready.

I'm waiting for Obama to write an executive order making it illegal and with severe penalties to refer to the ACA as Obamacare.

[MaxYakov]

The Republicans had to take their strong and public stance demanding a delay in the start of Obamacare so they wouldn't be blamed for its outcome. It is now obvious to everyone who it is that forced this on Americans and the Democrats were very public about being proud of themselves.

Now when/as is crashes, the Republicans can sit back like the cat that ate the canary and enjoy watching their opponents crash.

You really believe that? Because that would take a really cohesive, brilliant, and daring strategist, none of which are hallmarks of today's GOP. No NS, it's much, much simpler than that. Because revamping the severely broken US medical care system would be a huge accomplishment for any sitting President. The Republicans know that this will be President Obama's legacy and they don't want him succeeding in anything, especially something so significant. That's it, and that's all.

"Because revamping the severely broken US medical care system would be a huge accomplishment for any sitting President."

Good grief. Anyone who thinks Obamacare does one single thing to revamp a broken health care system hasn't paid attention. It does nothing to fix the problems with the health care system. It leaves all of the problems intact, and attempts to force them on people.

Obama's "legacy" will be Obamacare all right. He will be known as the King of Disasters.

People truly need to stop beginning their thinking with the idea that Obamacare fixes anything or helps anyone. It's an unmitigated disaster.

You should read this article regarding the original implementation efforts:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/28/opinion/carroll-gop-obamacare-hypocrisy/index.html?iid=article_sidebar

Essentially, the GOP has been trying to make implementation difficult, if not impossible, from the beginning. And when the rollout was a disaster, they sit back and say "I told you so!" Nevermind that they caused the problem to begin with. Amazing. Politics in America.

From the, above, CNN article:

"HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius made the controversial move of asking insurance companies and nonprofit organizations to donate money and help. Republicans were outraged. She asked for more money. She was refused."

And I'll bet they weren't even aware of the obvious waste and abuse of paying top corruption dollar for www.healthcareless.gov

She'll have her chance to do some splainin in front of them this week. I know, I know, I can hear it now - CMS did it. Maybe she can upstage the recent, SNL rendition.

If you can stomach it: C-Span - 8PM Eastern (Thursday, 7AM, Bangkok?)

Edited October 30, 2013 by MaxYakov

[chuckd]

Perhaps this will help. Purely by coincidence I'm sure, Ms. Townes-Whitley joined CGI only two months after President Obama signed Obamacare into law.

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Michelle Obama and CGI Federal executive belonged to student group at Princeton that hosted pro-terrorist speaker

1:47 AM 10/28/2013

Patrick Howley

Reporter

First Lady Michelle Obama and her Princeton classmate whose company received the no-bid government contract to build the HealthCare.gov Obamacare website were both members of a black student organization that caused a tense scene on campus by inviting a PLO leader who advocated for terrorism.

Michelle Obama ’85 and her classmate Toni Townes-Whitley ’85, a senior vice president at CGI Federal, were both students at the university when their groups the Organization of Black Unity (OBU) and the Third World Center (TWC) engaged in a confrontation with Jewish students on campus.

Michelle Obama was a member of both the OBU and TWC during her time at Princeton (1981-85). Townes-Whitley also belonged to OBU and TWC.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/28/michelle-obama-and-cgi-federal-executive-belonged-to-student-group-at-princeton-that-hosted-pro-terrorist-speaker/#ixzz2j7xwFoeN

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Believe what you will.

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No Bid Contract For ObamaCare Website Was Given To Michelle Obama's Pal And Sorority Sister

There's an interesting thing that's surfaced regarding the disastrous $678 million ObamaCare website.

The company that built it, CGI Federal received a no bid contract to build the site, even though four other companies submitted bids which were never reviewed. Only CGI’s bid was considered.

<snip>

As the Daily Caller reported, Toni Townes-Whitley, Princeton class of ’85, is the senior vice president at CGI Federal...and not only a classmate and friend of the First Lady, who graduated from Princeton the same year, but a sister at the all black sorority Alpha Kappa Alpha and a fellow member of the Association of Black Princeton Alumni.

http://joshuapundit.blogspot.com/2013/10/no-bid-contract-for-obamacare-website.html

So, again, still no personal connection between the two. Surely such big and ominous events by this group should have produced some pictures of the two of them together? Or maybe....just maybe.... the contract was awarded to a company that had been pre-approved by the Bush administration.

Uhhh. Only this one.

The company was only on a pre=approved bidders list. That simply means they are approved to bid on government contracts...not be awarded without competition, as this one was.

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CGI Federal executive spent ‘Christmas with the Obamas’

Patrick Howley 12:53 PM 10/28/2013

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Michelle Obama’s relationship with Princeton classmate Toni McCall Townes-Whitley, whose company earned the no-bid contract to design the disastrous Healthcare.Gov Obamacare website, continued after the Obamas moved into the White House.

Townes-Whitley and her husband even enjoyed “Christmas with the Obamas” at the White House in December 2010, according to a Facebook album created by Townes-Whitley.

Although neither Michelle Obama nor Townes-Whitley has discussed their relationship, the Christmas event took place just seven months after Townes-Whitley joined CGI Federal as a senior vice president.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/28/cgi-federal-executive-spent-christmas-with-the-obamas/#ixzz2jCPUznYT

Edited October 30, 2013 by chuckd

[midas]

Perhaps this will help. Purely by coincidence I'm sure, Ms. Townes-Whitley joined CGI only two months after President Obama signed Obamacare into law.

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Michelle Obama and CGI Federal executive belonged to student group at Princeton that hosted pro-terrorist speaker

1:47 AM 10/28/2013

Patrick Howley

Reporter

First Lady Michelle Obama and her Princeton classmate whose company received the no-bid government contract to build the HealthCare.gov Obamacare website were both members of a black student organization that caused a tense scene on campus by inviting a PLO leader who advocated for terrorism.

Michelle Obama ’85 and her classmate Toni Townes-Whitley ’85, a senior vice president at CGI Federal, were both students at the university when their groups the Organization of Black Unity (OBU) and the Third World Center (TWC) engaged in a confrontation with Jewish students on campus.

Michelle Obama was a member of both the OBU and TWC during her time at Princeton (1981-85). Townes-Whitley also belonged to OBU and TWC.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/28/michelle-obama-and-cgi-federal-executive-belonged-to-student-group-at-princeton-that-hosted-pro-terrorist-speaker/#ixzz2j7xwFoeN

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Believe what you will.

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No Bid Contract For ObamaCare Website Was Given To Michelle Obama's Pal And Sorority Sister

There's an interesting thing that's surfaced regarding the disastrous $678 million ObamaCare website.

The company that built it, CGI Federal received a no bid contract to build the site, even though four other companies submitted bids which were never reviewed. Only CGI’s bid was considered.

<snip>

As the Daily Caller reported, Toni Townes-Whitley, Princeton class of ’85, is the senior vice president at CGI Federal...and not only a classmate and friend of the First Lady, who graduated from Princeton the same year, but a sister at the all black sorority Alpha Kappa Alpha and a fellow member of the Association of Black Princeton Alumni.

http://joshuapundit.blogspot.com/2013/10/no-bid-contract-for-obamacare-website.html

So, again, still no personal connection between the two. Surely such big and ominous events by this group should have produced some pictures of the two of them together? Or maybe....just maybe.... the contract was awarded to a company that had been pre-approved by the Bush administration.

" should have produced some pictures of the two of them together? "

courtesy of chuckd you have it ! get out of that one !

makes you wonder about a number of other relationships now..........................

[Credo]

OK. Thanks for that. Now your argument about the relationship has credibility.

I wonder if this relationship will continue after this little fiasco?

[MaxYakov]

OK. Thanks for that. Now your argument about the relationship has credibility.

I wonder if this relationship will continue after this little fiasco?

General "Buck" Turgidson: "I don't think it's quite fair to condemn a whole program because of a single slip-up."

-- Dr. Strangelove Or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Bomb - 1964

PS: In a previous post, I mistakenly omitted fraud when citing waste and abuse.

Edited October 30, 2013 by MaxYakov

[chuckd]

You can't just make this stuff up.. Obamacare strikes again.

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ObamaCare screw up sends callers to cupcake shop

By Tara Palmeri and Beth DeFalcoOctober 30, 2013 | 2:53am

Thanks to ObamaCare, New Yorkers can now get health insurance with rainbow sprinkles.

In yet another bungle for the botched government insurance rollout, the state Health Department has mistakenly listed numerous non-health-related business as enrollment sites — including a Brooklyn cupcake shop that has been besieged by callers.

“I have nothing to do with this,” said Carmen Rodriguez owner of Brooklyn Cupcake in Williamsburg. “I run a very busy establishment, and I’m like, what is going on?”

http://nypost.com/2013/10/30/businesses-overwhelmed-by-callers-after-obamacare-enrollment-listing-error/

[NeverSure]

HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius testified before Congress today about the massive screw ups. I'm amazed her handlers didn't have her better loaded up with spin.

Congress and federal employees are exempt from Obamacare, naturally. So, someone asked her if she herself was going to sign up for Obamacare. I never saw anyone look more uncomfortable or squirm more.

There simply are no excuses for Obamacare from one end to the other.

[F430murci]

NBC/WSJ poll: Obama approval sinks to new low

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/30/21252250-nbcwsj-poll-obama-approval-sinks-to-new-low?lite

[F430murci]

A majority of Americans 52 percent believe the health care law needs either a major overhaul or to be completely eliminated, a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds.

Forty-four percent think it either needs minor modifications or that its working well as is.

The Obama administration maintains that the health insurance exchange website can be fixed, but acknowledges major problems.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/30/21252291-poll-majority-think-health-law-needs-overhaul-or-elimination?lite

[Baloo22]

NBC/WSJ poll: Obama approval sinks to new low

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/30/21252250-nbcwsj-poll-obama-approval-sinks-to-new-low?lite

These type polls suffer from the usual qualifications that come with any polls like these; Results can be adjusted by exactly what questions are asked, how they are asked, and who is being asked the questions, etc.

Besides that, one item is interesting in there:

--Sixty-three percent of voters want to replace their own member of Congress, which is the highest percentage ever recorded on this question that dates back to 1992.

But, it's a full year till the mid-term elections in 2014. Will such outrage last until then?

Many people will express such disgust and disapproval when asked opinions in general about "Congress", "The Government in Washington", etc. But often that does not actually translate into them NOT re-electing their individual Representatives (all seats up for election in 2014), or their individual Senator (one third of Senate seats up for election in 2014)?

You can get one answer to the question of "What's your opinion of the performance of Congress?" and another answer when they go to the voting booth to vote for or against Rep. Robertson in the next election?" (BTW, I just made up the name Robertson. Don't know if their really is a Rep. Robertson or not.)

[Scott]

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[Baloo22]

" Obama leadership style raises question of 'who is in control?' "

By Michael O'Brien, Political Reporter, NBC News

" President Barack Obama’s seemingly hands-off management style is raising fresh questions and concerns that could upend his second-term legacy. "

Talk about stating the obvious! Notice how they use the term " leadership style " and inside the article " seemingly hands-off management style ". Truly another journalistic exercise in putting lipstick on a pig! Far more truthful and accurately descriptive terms would be incompetence or ineptitude.

Another gem from this article is an excellent example of "Inside the Beltway" politico blah-blah. From the above referenced article:

“ The president's certainly got some work to do in getting people focused on his agenda,” added Democratic operative Jamal Simmons, who floated the idea of the administration bringing in an adviser from outside Obama’s close-knit inner circle to shake-up internal thinking. “Mainly it just seems that the White House has been reacting to issues as they arise and not getting out there and setting the agenda. ”

What a pantload of crap! These series of bungles have nothing to do with Obama not "getting people focused on his agenda" or "setting the agenda". They have much more to do with Obama not having a clue as to what is going on in his own administration. Obama is the Chief Executive of the United States. He is the chief/in-charge/manager of the Executive Branch of the government. If he is not aware of nor responsible for these major actions occurring in his branch of government, who is?

[Scott]

This topic is about the US debt ceiling. It has gone pretty far off-topic and the discussion is going in a big circle.

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