Plan for huge rally against Thai amnesty bill

[Arkady]

Clearly it was planned from the beginning that the Amnesty Bill would be changed at the second or third readings to include Thaksin. Otherwise why would they bother in the first place? It should not come as a surprise to the Dems or civil opposition groups but they give the impression that they have been outflanked yet again.

Potentially it is the endgame for Thaksin but, if it doesn't work this time, they will try again in future building on their knowledge of what went wrong this time. Time and money are on his side. The Constitutional Court is already rolling over under threat of being dissolved and the outgoing attorney general dropped the terrorism charge. Populism is working to ensure a guaranteed election victory, if Parliament has to be dissolved. Even the middle classes are coming on board with the B15k min pay for bachelors graduates and the 1 million new cars they bought free of excise tax. The fact that the government's economic policies are unsustainable is not an issue at this point, while there are short term expediencies like coming home and getting one's money back. He is confident that once back in the driver's seat he can come up with many brilliant new initiatives to boost growth and will as usual get lucky too, e.g.a spike in global rice prices that could dig the government out of its hole and make loads of money offshore from g2g rice sales. If things don't go according to plan an economic collapse would enable those with cash offshore to come in and buy cheap assets.

[gemini81]

Thaksin'll fear for his life at all times upon (and if he has the balls) return. He deserves it, and knows he has enemies he's shafted & double crossed. It'll eat at him and he'll never be happy- look at the wealth he's plundered, but is never content nor happy. Being a swindler comes at a price.

Edited October 21, 2013 by gemini81

[FangFerang]

So here we go again, one extreme is trying to top the other, there IS NO democracy in Thailand, there NEVER WAS, each opposition encourages revenge dictatorship

Sounds like American politics, too.....

[Baerboxer]

The amnesty bill has always been made for Thaskin, all the other players just got in the way, you don't give amnesty to criminals , end of story , that's if you don't want to be the laughing stock of the world, Thailand has a low politician credible rating , so nothing surprises, show some common sense, Thaskin jumped bail, was under several investigations , one from the UN, on crimes against humanity, these all still need to be played out, until there is a closure , Thaskin will continue to remain a pox on the Thai political , business and the country itself, along with the Shinawatra name.

I believe this is the beginning of the end for this government; not only are there several opposition groups against their despicable stance on ensuring amnesty for Thaksin, but they are also seeing rebellion from within their own ranks.

In any other country in the world, parliament would have demanded that the oversight committee were brought to the House to explain their meddling in the Bill before its third reading. An oversight committee is there to ensure that bills move forward according to set principles; it is not there to change a Bill to its own ends.

Every one of those in the oversight committee who voted in favour of the change should be immediately suspended and investigated for gross misconduct.

This government must fall....!!

Beginning of the end for this government?

Your personal wishes are not in line with the reality.

How many times have we read wishful comments like that?

They win every elections since years against opponents who have zero vision for the country.

So, it's certainly not the end yet, everybody should get used to it.

This government must fall?

Why?

They will be re-elected anyway...

Sent from my iPhone...

Actually PTP "won" one general election when they polled 48% of the votes cast. Hardly a resounding success now was it?

Since then they've lost 2 big elections - the Bangkok govenor one and the Don Meuang bye-election, thought to be a very safe seat.

Not the ballot box stars that your red history would have us believe are they?

[ballpoint]

Jaturporn was seen leading a procession through Chiang Mai's night market last night. What an ignorant and foolish kwai he is. Made my stomach turn.

You should have hit him on the head with a slipper. It's a minor offense in Chiang Mai I'm told. 500 baht and you're free to go.

[ggold]

No doubt that his Red Shirt supporters would paddle their plastic boats in mass from Issan and the North East to Bkk to oppose such a demonstration.

Actually they could join the demonstration! they are not happy about the amendment if it means that Abhisit and Suthep don't stand trial for trying to clear the red shirts out of BKK!

This might of actually worked if there had been a trial, found guilty would Abhisit and Suthep have gone to jail or made the deal?

It was the only way this would have worked IMHO. even though I think the reds brought it on themselves, the charges against Abhisit are spurious to say the least.

[Spare]

I think it would be good for Thailand if Myanmar invaded..give the Thais something to do.

Always got the south and those pesky tourists,terrorists,greens,reds and anti royalists that might be up to no good.

Please, no mention of anti-royalist please. Thai could put you in 5 years jail.

[gerry1011]

The amnesty bill has always been made for Thaskin, all the other players just got in the way, you don't give amnesty to criminals , end of story , that's if you don't want to be the laughing stock of the world, Thailand has a low politician credible rating , so nothing surprises, show some common sense, Thaskin jumped bail, was under several investigations , one from the UN, on crimes against humanity, these all still need to be played out, until there is a closure , Thaskin will continue to remain a pox on the Thai political , business and the country itself, along with the Shinawatra name.

I believe this is the beginning of the end for this government; not only are there several opposition groups against their despicable stance on ensuring amnesty for Thaksin, but they are also seeing rebellion from within their own ranks.

In any other country in the world, parliament would have demanded that the oversight committee were brought to the House to explain their meddling in the Bill before its third reading. An oversight committee is there to ensure that bills move forward according to set principles; it is not there to change a Bill to its own ends.

Every one of those in the oversight committee who voted in favour of the change should be immediately suspended and investigated for gross misconduct.

This government must fall....!!

Beginning of the end for this government?

Your personal wishes are not in line with the reality.

How many times have we read wishful comments like that?

They win every elections since years against opponents who have zero vision for the country.

So, it's certainly not the end yet, everybody should get used to it.

This government must fall?

Why?

They will be re-elected anyway...

Sent from my iPhone...

Actually PTP "won" one general election when they polled 48% of the votes cast. Hardly a resounding success now was it?

Since then they've lost 2 big elections - the Bangkok govenor one and the Don Meuang bye-election, thought to be a very safe seat.

Not the ballot box stars that your red history would have us believe are they?

Well. put it the way you want, also play the way you want with the words and the facts... The Thaksin's side is each time the strongest in the elections.

Edited October 21, 2013 by gerry1011

[webfact]

POLITICS
Democrat MPs to mobilise protesters to rally at Urupong: Interior Minister
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Democrat Party MPs have played a role in mobilising people to join the anti-government rally at Urupong intersection, Interior Minister Charupong Ruangsuwan alleged Monday.

Charupong said the government has assigned provincial governors to keep a close watch on the political situation following a report that a former party secretary-general had held talks with 20 people, including an individual known only as "Pou Khem", at a Surat Thani rubber cooperative about preparing a mass rally.

"As part of the plan, Democrat MP Nipit Intarasombat was assigned to bring 2,000 people from Chu-uat district, Nakhon Si Thammarat, to Urupong intersection," Charupong said.

"The government has assessed the situation and prepared measures to keep security and peace. I have ordered provincial governors and district chiefs to give an explanation to the people [to discourage them from joining the protest]. I believe the government can control the situation," he said.

Meanwhile, Senator Jetn Sirathranont said on Monday that Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra should opt either to step down or to dissolve the House in order to dissipate the looming political crisis.

The draft bill on amnesty, designed to favour fugitive former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra and which is expected to come up for legislative debate, would trigger a crisis as a result of the street protests," he said.


-- The Nation 2013-10-21

[h90]

No doubt that his Red Shirt supporters would paddle their plastic boats in mass from Issan and the North East to Bkk to oppose such a demonstration.

Actually they could join the demonstration! they are not happy about the amendment if it means that Abhisit and Suthep don't stand trial for trying to clear the red shirts out of BKK!

This might of actually worked if there had been a trial, found guilty would Abhisit and Suthep have gone to jail or made the deal?

It was the only way this would have worked IMHO. even though I think the reds brought it on themselves, the charges against Abhisit are spurious to say the least.

All the red shirt demonstrations were central organized, the people brought in with buses, given good, brought back, given some money.

If really some red shirts are angry...nothing will happen, non want to pay themself for transportation.

If some red shirt leader is angry, Thaksin will fix it with a money transfer.

So I doubt some significant amount of red shirts will join. A few maybe.

[ggold]

No doubt that his Red Shirt supporters would paddle their plastic boats in mass from Issan and the North East to Bkk to oppose such a demonstration.

Actually they could join the demonstration! they are not happy about the amendment if it means that Abhisit and Suthep don't stand trial for trying to clear the red shirts out of BKK!

This might of actually worked if there had been a trial, found guilty would Abhisit and Suthep have gone to jail or made the deal?

It was the only way this would have worked IMHO. even though I think the reds brought it on themselves, the charges against Abhisit are spurious to say the least.

All the red shirt demonstrations were central organized, the people brought in with buses, given good, brought back, given some money.

If really some red shirts are angry...nothing will happen, non want to pay themself for transportation.

If some red shirt leader is angry, Thaksin will fix it with a money transfer.

So I doubt some significant amount of red shirts will join. A few maybe.

not according the the other newspaper! the red shirt leaders are not happy.

[h90]

No doubt that his Red Shirt supporters would paddle their plastic boats in mass from Issan and the North East to Bkk to oppose such a demonstration.

Actually they could join the demonstration! they are not happy about the amendment if it means that Abhisit and Suthep don't stand trial for trying to clear the red shirts out of BKK!

This might of actually worked if there had been a trial, found guilty would Abhisit and Suthep have gone to jail or made the deal?

It was the only way this would have worked IMHO. even though I think the reds brought it on themselves, the charges against Abhisit are spurious to say the least.

All the red shirt demonstrations were central organized, the people brought in with buses, given good, brought back, given some money.

If really some red shirts are angry...nothing will happen, non want to pay themself for transportation.

If some red shirt leader is angry, Thaksin will fix it with a money transfer.

So I doubt some significant amount of red shirts will join. A few maybe.

not according the the other newspaper! the red shirt leaders are not happy.

nothing that a few millions couldn't fix.

They were angry a few times already and a few days later it was forgotten.

[Spare]

I went there in the morning.

Also no people.

[indyuk]

The political activists have always dreaded the day that PM Thaksin Shinawatra comes back to Thailand. It does't need an amnesty for him to come back. The issues that define Thaksin aside from the rest of Thailand's Dynastic families and their high-so sons in politics, is that he was toppled at their will because his politics did not suit their desire in respect to continuance of the oppression of the working classes.

The Dynastic families of Thailand are deeply resentful of Thaksin's business prowess and his success in bringing much that was needed to the people of Thailand. Although Thaksin's enemies are well aware of the Monarchy's determinations that Thailand and the Thai people stand above racism because they are Thai, racism does exist among Thailand's elite families. "No daughter of mine will marry a Jek" asserted by a friend to General Kittikachorn on visiting his family compound in Bangkok. (note many of Thaksin's enemies consider him a Jek) There is particular Hi-So disgust and resentment of successful Jeks**.

PM Thaksin stood between his enemies and their cash flows of generations past from the bounty of the people and the 'inefficiencies' of the sons of their own loins at the seat of government. PM Thakin's demise at the hand of a judiciary dancing to the tune of the Democrat Party's sons of the Thai dynasties and their whimsical ideas of self worth and eminence in Thailand, seemed to instil draconian temptations of evil in judgments that were and remain bizarre in the minds of intellectuals around the world.

Amnesty or not there will be a day of reckoning. The judgment at PM Thaksin's retrial will shame this great nation for their malfeasance in allowing the privileged of this land to bay like the executioners of Thaksin the Great as their charges rolled him into a bamboo matting shroud before beating him to death with their clubs.

**(Jek is Anti-Thaksinites definition of Thaksin not the writer's)

Edited October 21, 2013 by indyuk

[Sunderland]

I've lost track - is this the millon man march, the march of marches, the 3 trillion baht march or the hub of marching?

[PeterSmiles]

Beginning of the end for this government?

Your personal wishes are not in line with the reality.

How many times have we read wishful comments like that?

They win every elections since years against opponents who have zero vision for the country.

So, it's certainly not the end yet, everybody should get used to it.

This government must fall?

Why?

They will be re-elected anyway...

Sent from my iPhone...

Actually PTP "won" one general election when they polled 48% of the votes cast. Hardly a resounding success now was it?

Since then they've lost 2 big elections - the Bangkok govenor one and the Don Meuang bye-election, thought to be a very safe seat.

Not the ballot box stars that your red history would have us believe are they?

Well. put it the way you want, also play the way you want with the words and the facts... The Thaksin's side is each time the strongest in the elections.

Ferdinand Marcos also won the elections over and over again, you want to say that he was also the right choice for his country.

I can name you a few more who won elections over and over again in their respective countries.

I'm not gonna publish a list of their names, but if you want to find out do a google for Dictators or Election fraud and they will pop up.

[tragickingdom]

Plans are working out quite differently than the actual thing lately with the yellow shirts or whatever movie they have seen and thus call themselves accordingly. Maybe it is the same huge number people that voted for them last time around.

On the other hand maybe they are planning to protest all the amnesty bills that they themselves past to keep all those putsch makers out of jail since WW II.

[rubl]

Unbelievable people would protest against a blanket bill. Soon temperatures will drop and a blanket will be handy.

Furthermore k. Abhisit/Suthep should be happy to get their murder charges dropped, it was very obvious that they were worried. Unlike those peacefull UDD leaders of course, no worry in the world. Mind you, even Dr. weng seems to realise that his red-shirt members will not be happy. On the other hand maybe we have a very smart move by Pheu Thai thinkers, red and yellow shirt supporters in a united protest, reconciliation reached!

[mrtoad]

Jaturporn was seen leading a procession through Chiang Mai's night market last night. What an ignorant and foolish kwai he is. Made my stomach turn.

Didn't realize that they had a Buffalo run in CM.

[ratcatcher]

The political activists have always dreaded the day that PM Thaksin Shinawatra comes back to Thailand. It does't need an amnesty for him to come back. The issues that define Thaksin aside from the rest of Thailand's Dynastic families and their high-so sons in politics, is that he was toppled at their will because his politics did not suit their desire in respect to continuance of the oppression of the working classes.

The Dynastic families of Thailand are deeply resentful of Thaksin's business prowess and his success in bringing much that was needed to the people of Thailand. Although Thaksin's enemies are well aware of the Monarchy's determinations that Thailand and the Thai people stand above racism because they are Thai, racism does exist among Thailand's elite families. "No daughter of mine will marry a Jek" asserted by a friend to General Kittikachorn on visiting his family compound in Bangkok. (note many of Thaksin's enemies consider him a Jek) There is particular Hi-So disgust and resentment of successful Jeks**.

PM Thaksin stood between his enemies and their cash flows of generations past from the bounty of the people and the 'inefficiencies' of the sons of their own loins at the seat of government. PM Thakin's demise at the hand of a judiciary dancing to the tune of the Democrat Party's sons of the Thai dynasties and their whimsical ideas of self worth and eminence in Thailand, seemed to instil draconian temptations of evil in judgments that were and remain bizarre in the minds of intellectuals around the world.

Amnesty or not there will be a day of reckoning. The judgment at PM Thaksin's retrial will shame this great nation for their malfeasance in allowing the privileged of this land to bay like the executioners of Thaksin the Great as their charges rolled him into a bamboo matting shroud before beating him to death with their clubs.

**(Jek is Anti-Thaksinites definition of Thaksin not the writer's)

Good explanation indy, but how many Prime Ministers does this country have? 1 or 2?

The political activists have always dreaded the day that PM Thaksin Shinawatra comes back to Thailand. It does't need an amnesty for him to come back. The issues that define Thaksin aside from the rest of Thailand's Dynastic families and their high-so sons in politics, is that he was toppled at their will because his politics did not suit their desire in respect to continuance of the oppression of the working classes.

[gerry1011]

Beginning of the end for this government?

Your personal wishes are not in line with the reality.

How many times have we read wishful comments like that?

They win every elections since years against opponents who have zero vision for the country.

So, it's certainly not the end yet, everybody should get used to it.

This government must fall?

Why?

They will be re-elected anyway...

Sent from my iPhone...

Actually PTP "won" one general election when they polled 48% of the votes cast. Hardly a resounding success now was it?

Since then they've lost 2 big elections - the Bangkok govenor one and the Don Meuang bye-election, thought to be a very safe seat.

Not the ballot box stars that your red history would have us believe are they?

Well. put it the way you want, also play the way you want with the words and the facts... The Thaksin's side is each time the strongest in the elections.

Ferdinand Marcos also won the elections over and over again, you want to say that he was also the right choice for his country.

I can name you a few more who won elections over and over again in their respective countries.

I'm not gonna publish a list of their names, but if you want to find out do a google for Dictators or Election fraud and they will pop up.

You can name whoever you want. Google whatever story you want. It still does not change the fact that Thaksin's side is the strongest in each election.

Portray him like a dictator is not going to prevent the PT to win the next general election.

Sent from my iPhone...

Edited October 21, 2013 by gerry1011

[PeterSmiles]

You can name whoever you want. Google whatever story you want. It still does not change the fact that Thaksin's side is the strongest in each election.

Portray him like a dictator is not going to prevent the PT to win the next general election.

Sent from my iPhone...

I guess you must have been on stage in 2010, because everyone can win an election if they make some ridiculous promises.

If the Democrats next election promise to pay 20.000 Baht for every tonne of paddy, and say they will give a real Ipad to every student, they will win with a landslide.

But maybe they have a conscience.

[gerry1011]

You can name whoever you want. Google whatever story you want. It still does not change the fact that Thaksin's side is the strongest in each election.

Portray him like a dictator is not going to prevent the PT to win the next general election.

Sent from my iPhone...

I guess you must have been on stage in 2010, because everyone can win an election if they make some ridiculous promises.

If the Democrats next election promise to pay 20.000 Baht for every tonne of paddy, and say they will give a real Ipad to every student, they will win with a landslide.

But maybe they have a conscience.

You are right. PT knows how to win an election.

The Dems can try but will always fail in copying what the PT did.

They are too disconnected from the majority of the people.

The problem of the Dems is more that they have nothing to propose in an election.

No vision. No long term plan. Nothing. Zero. Their strategy is only to attack their opponents in whatever they do or say.

Bark bark bark and bark again and again...

And of course, while they keep themselves busy barking, their opponents keep doing things, and address the wishes of the people.

I don't remember the Dems being positive of any large scale project that would benefit the country.

On their own they also never come up with anything. And when they have an idea, they have no clue how to implement it.

The Dems bark, PT does

The airport, the high speed train, the infrastructures, the deep sea port, ... The Dems can only speak about it. PT finds ways to make it real.

It's not a question of conscience. The Dems just don't know what to do... Apart from barking at other people's plans.

What surprises me though is that many Dems are well educated people, who went to study abroad and supposed to be at least a bit intelligent... But still, when it comes to do something positive for the country they can't achieve anything. Strange.

Sent from my iPhone...

Edited October 21, 2013 by gerry1011

[Baerboxer]

@Gerry1011

"Well. put it the way you want, also play the way you want with the words and the facts... The Thaksin's side is each time the strongest in the elections."

Indeed, I prefer to look at the facts rather than the nonsense made up by propagandists. The facts are PTP lost 2 very important elections - the Bangkok Governor election and the Dong Meuang by-election. They were convinced they would win both and loosing must have shook them up.

The 48% of the polled votes at the last election is not a majority of the people - but because the way the system works here this "largest minority" translates to a large majority of seats in parliament.

Since taking office their number one priority has been to secure a whitewash for the criminal conviction and outstanding criminal charges against their leader and party owner. Issuing him with a new Thai passport appears in the eyes of the Ombudsman to be illegal but the regime ignore this and other laws and have set their sights on acquiring very large sums of money whilst removing the checks and balances normally associated with government borrowing. Bear in mind that their leader is a convicted fraudster with more serious outstanding charges and a fugitive, Oh yes, and they think and openly say its ok for them to lie when it suits.

If you are open minded Google despots, dictators, corrupt governments since WW2 and note the similarities. Especially how these egotistical self appointed saviours always seem to win elections after elections, with high % of votes for them, and also note how they and their families also, just by chance of course, manage to enrich themselves whilst their countries are driven to economic and financial ruin, famine, war and poverty.

Or there again, if you're not open minded, carry on believing the Red Version of History with no independent research.

[PeterSmiles]

You can name whoever you want. Google whatever story you want. It still does not change the fact that Thaksin's side is the strongest in each election.

Portray him like a dictator is not going to prevent the PT to win the next general election.

Sent from my iPhone...

I guess you must have been on stage in 2010, because everyone can win an election if they make some ridiculous promises.

If the Democrats next election promise to pay 20.000 Baht for every tonne of paddy, and say they will give a real Ipad to every student, they will win with a landslide.

But maybe they have a conscience.

You are right. PT knows how to win an election.

The Dems can try but will always fail in copying what the PT did.

They are too disconnected from the majority of the people.

The problem of the Dems is more that they have nothing to propose in an election.

No vision. No long term plan. Nothing. Zero. Their strategy is only to attack their opponents in whatever they do or say.

Bark bark bark and bark again and again...

And of course, while they keep themselves busy barking, their opponents keep doing things, and address the wishes of the people.

I don't remember the Dems being positive of any large scale project that would benefit the country.

On their own they also never come up with anything. And when they have an idea, they have no clue how to implement it.

The Dems bark, PT does

The airport, the high speed train, the infrastructures, the deep sea port, ... The Dems can only speak about it. PT finds ways to make it real.

It's not a question of conscience. The Dems just don't know what to do... Apart from barking at other people's plans.

What surprises me though is that many Dems are well educated people, who went to study abroad and supposed to be at least a bit intelligent... But still, when it comes to do something positive for the country they can't achieve anything. Strange.

Sent from my iPhone...

What surprises me though is that many Dems are well educated people, who went to study abroad and supposed to be at least a bit intelligent

You have just strengthen the point I was making in my reply to you, thanks a lot.

As soon as you understand why, you will know why the Democrats don't make silly election promises like PTP and why Thaksin should not come back.

I'm not gonna hold my breath though that you ever gonna understand.

Edit : By the way can you remind us all how it went with their 3 major election promises.

Let me help you a little ;

Tablets : never got delivered

Minimum wage rise to 300 Baht : 12 provinces out of 77 ?

Rice pledging : Yeah right lets not go that way

Still surprised why they won the 2011 election and lost every other election since ?

Edited October 21, 2013 by PeterSmiles

[whybother]

You can name whoever you want. Google whatever story you want. It still does not change the fact that Thaksin's side is the strongest in each election.

Portray him like a dictator is not going to prevent the PT to win the next general election.

Sent from my iPhone...

I guess you must have been on stage in 2010, because everyone can win an election if they make some ridiculous promises.

If the Democrats next election promise to pay 20.000 Baht for every tonne of paddy, and say they will give a real Ipad to every student, they will win with a landslide.

But maybe they have a conscience.

You are right. PT knows how to win an election.

The Dems can try but will always fail in copying what the PT did.

They are too disconnected from the majority of the people.

The problem of the Dems is more that they have nothing to propose in an election.

No vision. No long term plan. Nothing. Zero. Their strategy is only to attack their opponents in whatever they do or say.

Bark bark bark and bark again and again...

And of course, while they keep themselves busy barking, their opponents keep doing things, and address the wishes of the people.

I don't remember the Dems being positive of any large scale project that would benefit the country.

On their own they also never come up with anything. And when they have an idea, they have no clue how to implement it.

The Dems bark, PT does

The airport, the high speed train, the infrastructures, the deep sea port, ... The Dems can only speak about it. PT finds ways to make it real.

It's not a question of conscience. The Dems just don't know what to do... Apart from barking at other people's plans.

What surprises me though is that many Dems are well educated people, who went to study abroad and supposed to be at least a bit intelligent... But still, when it comes to do something positive for the country they can't achieve anything. Strange.

Sent from my iPhone...

A survey was done prior to the last election, and a majority of people preferred the Democrat policies in a blind test.

So, it seems that the Democrats have a plan, but people won't vote for them because they are the Democrats.

[Bluespunk]

""Thaksin won't be the only beneficiary," the committee's chairman and Pheu Thai MP Samart Kaewmechai said yesterday. "We don't mention the return of his assets either."

You don't mention it, yes that's true, however----

Edited October 22, 2013 by Bluespunk

[gerry1011]

You can name whoever you want. Google whatever story you want. It still does not change the fact that Thaksin's side is the strongest in each election.

Portray him like a dictator is not going to prevent the PT to win the next general election.

Sent from my iPhone...

I guess you must have been on stage in 2010, because everyone can win an election if they make some ridiculous promises.

If the Democrats next election promise to pay 20.000 Baht for every tonne of paddy, and say they will give a real Ipad to every student, they will win with a landslide.

But maybe they have a conscience.

You are right. PT knows how to win an election.

The Dems can try but will always fail in copying what the PT did.

They are too disconnected from the majority of the people.

The problem of the Dems is more that they have nothing to propose in an election.

No vision. No long term plan. Nothing. Zero. Their strategy is only to attack their opponents in whatever they do or say.

Bark bark bark and bark again and again...

And of course, while they keep themselves busy barking, their opponents keep doing things, and address the wishes of the people.

I don't remember the Dems being positive of any large scale project that would benefit the country.

On their own they also never come up with anything. And when they have an idea, they have no clue how to implement it.

The Dems bark, PT does

The airport, the high speed train, the infrastructures, the deep sea port, ... The Dems can only speak about it. PT finds ways to make it real.

It's not a question of conscience. The Dems just don't know what to do... Apart from barking at other people's plans.

What surprises me though is that many Dems are well educated people, who went to study abroad and supposed to be at least a bit intelligent... But still, when it comes to do something positive for the country they can't achieve anything. Strange.

Sent from my iPhone...

A survey was done prior to the last election, and a majority of people preferred the Democrat policies in a blind test.

So, it seems that the Democrats have a plan, but people won't vote for them because they are the Democrats.

Never heard about the "blind" test, and I can't recall the Dems having a plan.

But ok, if one day they actually come with a plan (for the country and the people, not another barking plan) then it would be great.

But I think their mind is stuck in the barking mode. Their strategy is just to shout at PT, nothing more. Nothing constructive.

Sent from my iPhone...

Edited October 22, 2013 by gerry1011

[PeterSmiles]

Never heard about the "blind" test, and I can't recall the Dems having a plan.

But ok, if one day they actually come with a plan (for the country and the people, not another barking plan) then it would be great.

But I think their mind is stuck in the barking mode. Their strategy is just to shout at PT, nothing more. Nothing constructive.

Sent from my iPhone...

You suggest they change to " fill the pockets on the back of our voters and keep making empty promises until the coffers are empty " mode, similar to your idiots idols ?

[gemini81]

You can name whoever you want. Google whatever story you want. It still does not change the fact that Thaksin's side is the strongest in each election.

Portray him like a dictator is not going to prevent the PT to win the next general election.

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I guess you must have been on stage in 2010, because everyone can win an election if they make some ridiculous promises.

If the Democrats next election promise to pay 20.000 Baht for every tonne of paddy, and say they will give a real Ipad to every student, they will win with a landslide.

But maybe they have a conscience.

thats all you have to do, right- bribe money hungry voters, especially from Isarn, and have the village headman intimidate the locals and tell them who they need to vote for.

In the south, you could try and bribe them this way or that; they've gonna vote democratic, as they can think for themselves and desire independence, limited gov't and freedom. Its true. All you guys with girls from the bars can get on my case in defense of your tart, but its true.