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Unforgivable or not, all will be consigned to history in due course when Trump ends the IMO farce.

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Unforgivable or not, all will be consigned to history in due course when Trump ends the IMO farce.

Nothing on the atrocities then, just a 'I don't care '.

55 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Nothing on the atrocities then, just a 'I don't care '.

Was Dresden an atrocity? Was My Lai an atrocity? Was an American gunship killing unarmed Iraqis an atrocity?

Atrocities happen in wars, both sides, end of.

 

Go bait someone else.

 

28 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Nothing on the atrocities then, just a 'I don't care '.

 

Unsurprising and typical of sociopaths. What sociopaths, who are incapable of human emotions, miss to understand is that this is not going to end up only in history books. It will be embedded in the hearts of each Ukrainian for generations.

 

What sociopaths miss is that Russia gained in Ukraine approximately 47,000 sqm of territory, equivalent to only 0.71% on the total land mass Russia already possessed before the war started, suffered approximately 1,000,000 causalities, or 0.07% of its population, wrecked its economy in the process, and earned the enmity of 37 million Ukrainians for this and for the immediate future generations. It will take decades for Ukrainians to forget what was done to them.

 

This is largely sufficient not only to demonstrate that Putin is a scoundrel and a criminal, but also an incompetent state leader. Beginning with the reign of Ivan the Terrible in the 16th century, Russia managed to expand at an incredible rate of 50 square miles per day, eventually covering 1/6 of the earth’s landmass. Catherine the Great alone expanded Russia's territory by more than 200,000 square miles (520,000 square kilometers), while Stalin added more than 800,000 sqm to the Soviet empire in Europe alone, with the complicity of Hitler (in 1939), and of Churchill and Roosvelt in 1945. Despite all the appearances and the imperial pretensions, Putin is a poor amateur compared to his predecessors.

 

9 minutes ago, The Legend said:

Obviously, judging by your avatar you are a person with a bias and axe to grind.

 

You're wrong judging by the avatar and you're not just wrong about that. I am not Ukrainian, and I contributed my share to the "300 billion dollars" spent by the West to support Ukraine. Best money ever spent. Because there is no money better spent than that spent in defense of freedom and justice.

8 minutes ago, AndreasHG said:

 

You're wrong judging by the avatar and you're not just wrong about that. I am not Ukrainian, and I contributed my share to the "300 billion dollars" spent by the West to support Ukraine. Best money ever spent. Because there is no money better spent than that spent in defense of freedom and justice.

 

You are free to feel that way but also know it's over. Move on.

 

Defense of freedom and justice. Lol.

 

Ukraine was never free and more so with Zelensky refusing elections. Justice? Not for Renaud or Gazalo Lira!! They are murdered journalists

Coming to Europe soon. 

War is never humane and it is dumb to think so.

Russian President Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine has become quite a horrifying event, its butchery in plain view via saturation coverage for anyone with a video screen. But Americans may not yet have absorbed this disturbing reality: The American president has sided with the genocidal butcher.

 

That's right: In the struggle now uniting the free world against an autocrat's lawless aggression, America's President has sided with the autocrat. 

 

One may ask why has Putin chosen to make his move on Ukraine? As many have pointed out, Russia is an objectively weak state — “Upper Volta with nuclear weapons,” as someone once quipped — with a nominal G.D.P. smaller than that of South Korea. Outside of energy, minerals and second-rate military equipment, it produces almost nothing that outsiders want: no Russian iPhone, Lexus or “Fauda.” If it were not for the minerals, oil and natural gas, I believe Russia would be a highly irrelevant state. Sure, it had alot of culture. Had. What have it's contributions been since the middle of the 20th century?

 

Putin’s problem with Ukraine, starting with the Maidan uprising of 2014, is that most Ukrainians want nothing to do with him. He is despised. And for good reason. If he were a Disney character, he’d be Rapunzel’s mother. But, he is not a Disney character, which makes him a pathetic, aggressive, serial killing despot dictator, who appears to be targeting women and children in his latest escapade, and further walk into the world of darkness. 

 

 

 

42 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Russian President Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine has become quite a horrifying event, its butchery in plain view via saturation coverage for anyone with a video screen. But Americans may not yet have absorbed this disturbing reality: The American president has sided with the genocidal butcher.

 

That's right: In the struggle now uniting the free world against an autocrat's lawless aggression, America's President has sided with the autocrat. 

 

One may ask why has Putin chosen to make his move on Ukraine? As many have pointed out, Russia is an objectively weak state — “Upper Volta with nuclear weapons,” as someone once quipped — with a nominal G.D.P. smaller than that of South Korea. Outside of energy, minerals and second-rate military equipment, it produces almost nothing that outsiders want: no Russian iPhone, Lexus or “Fauda.” If it were not for the minerals, oil and natural gas, I believe Russia would be a highly irrelevant state. Sure, it had alot of culture. Had. What have it's contributions been since the middle of the 20th century?

 

Putin’s problem with Ukraine, starting with the Maidan uprising of 2014, is that most Ukrainians want nothing to do with him. He is despised. And for good reason. If he were a Disney character, he’d be Rapunzel’s mother. But, he is not a Disney character, which makes him a pathetic, aggressive, serial killing despot dictator, who appears to be targeting women and children in his latest escapade, and further walk into the world of darkness. 

 

 

 

 

The war will end not in years or months but in weeks.

 

You will be proven wrong yet again.

 

Wrong about COVID, wrong about j6, wrong about US political dynamic, wrong about the election, wrong about the post election aftermath and you are wrong about the future...

 

Trump administration will save the US financial system, deregulation will add no less than 1% to GDP which under Biden was propped up by USAID theft. Finally, you are totally, throughly and absolutely wrong about US neocon actions, verifiable US mischief in Ukraine for decades which forced Russia's hand into war.

 

You aren't correct on any social issue to be blunt. As the cliche goes .. you are entirely on the wrong side of history.

 

My late sister was as wrong about things as you are. She was once complaining about how life wasn't treating her very well shall I say. I told her - when you make a decision to do something - DO THE OPPOSITE. I would highly recommend you try the same because nothing you say has this least validity in reality.

 

As for the war I'd ask members to have a look at John Mersheimer and Jeffery Sachs. Both clear headed political scientists who had this tragedy pegged from the get go.

5 minutes ago, The Legend said:

 

The war will end not in years or months but in weeks.

 

You will be proven wrong yet again.

 

Wrong about COVID, wrong about j6, wrong about US political dynamic, wrong about the election, wrong about the post election aftermath and you are wrong about the future...

 

Trump administration will save the US financial system, deregulation will add no less than 1% to GDP which under Biden was propped up by USAID theft. Finally, you are totally, throughly and absolutely wrong about US neocon actions, verifiable US mischief in Ukraine for decades which forced Russia's hand into war.

 

You aren't correct on any social issue to be blunt. As the cliche goes .. you are entirely on the wrong side of history.

 

My late sister was as wrong about things as you are. She was once complaining about how life wasn't treating her very well shall I say. I told her - when you make a decision to do something - DO THE OPPOSITE. I would highly recommend you try the same because nothing you say has this least validity in reality.

 

As for the war I'd ask members to have a look at John Mersheimer and Jeffery Sachs. Both clear headed political scientists who had this tragedy pegged from the get go.

Whether it's a few weeks or  many years, the real question is whether an "end" will be a real end or just a pause. Without significant security guarantees for Ukraine, the sovereign nation of Ukraine will be on the way to over, whether by arms or probably by way of installation of a Russian puppet.

So much silly stuff in your post, but I will say the USAID budget is tiny relative to the entire budget and even cutting every last cent of it does basically nothing to address the deficit. 

Just now, Jingthing said:

Whether it's a few weeks or  many years, the real question is whether an "end" will be a real end or just a pause. Without significant security guarantees for Ukraine, the sovereign nation of Ukraine will be on the way to over, whether by arms or probably by way of installation of a Russian puppet.

So much silly stuff in your post, but I will say the USAID budget is tiny relative to the entire budget and even cutting every last cent of it does basically nothing to address the deficit. 

The USAID budget is not tiny by any stretch.

 

The war in Eastern Europe will cease. It's already in progress. You're another keyboard warrior never seen a day of military service.

 

How possible could Ukraine continue the war genius ?

 

Please..where are the men coming from to continue to toss in the meat grinder?

 

Where is the next 100 billion coming from?

 

Like Mr Mike you are another Peter WRONGWAY Peachfuzz.  All your BS prognostication... It's all total <deleted> and so with this meager opinion.

 

Wrong about Trump, about J6, about COVID about the Ukraine war. You're just wrong about everything.

 

What's atrocious about you and Mr Mike is that despite all this misperceived reality you continue to post on here the same wrong, misperceptions, ignorance, dis and misinformation like it's just another day and an opinion equal to any other.

 

Your opinions are constantly wrong and out of step with the American people and most importantly objective reality.

 

5 hours ago, AndreasHG said:

 

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Yeah right, tota BS....  grasping at straws because you know the war is ending and you've lost. Every thing you posted forbthe last 3 years was a lie

2 minutes ago, The Legend said:

The USAID budget is not tiny by any stretch.

 

The war in Eastern Europe will cease. It's already in progress. You're another keyboard warrior never seen a day of military service.

 

How possible could Ukraine continue the war genius ?

 

Please..where are the men coming from to continue to toss in the meat grinder?

 

Where is the next 100 billion coming from?

 

Like Mr Mike you are another Peter WRONGWAY Peachfuzz.  All your BS prognostication... It's all total <deleted> and so with this meager opinion.

 

Wrong about Trump, about J6, about COVID about the Ukraine war. You're just wrong about everything.

 

What's atrocious about you and Mr Mike is that despite all this misperceived reality you continue to post on here the same wrong, misperceptions, ignorance, dis and misinformation like it's just another day and an opinion equal to any other.

 

Your opinions are constantly wrong and out of step with the American people and most importantly objective reality.

 

The majority of the American people support helping Ukraine actually.

More Americans think Trump is a dictator than think Zelinsky is.

2 hours ago, The Legend said:

It's over. Your nation sucked up 300B of USD alone and lost.

 

You're US funding is finished. Feel free to grind on and lose another 100k before Russia puts you out f your misery.

 

1 hour ago, The Legend said:

Ukraine was never free and more so with Zelensky refusing elections. Justice?

 

It's sad to see the mind numbing effects that indoctrination can have on people.

 

The comment by @The Legend who appears to be misnomer, fails to consider the complexity of the war in Ukraine, the immense human toll it has taken on the Ukrainian people, and the consequences of Russian aggression in Eastern Europe and beyond. First off, the comment dismisses the suffering of the Ukrainians who have lost their lives, homes, and loved ones in the war. This sort of callousness is incredibly insensitive and disrespectful.  Secondly, it ignores the fact that Ukraine is fighting to preserve its sovereignty and democratic government against an invading force.

 

@The Legend  making that comment seems to be deeply misinformed and potentially influenced by Russian propaganda.

Ukraine has been a sovereign nation since the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, and it has held several democratic elections since then, including the election of Volodymyr Zelensky as president in 2019. The claim that Zelensky has “refused elections” is simply false.

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

The majority of the American people support helping Ukraine actually.

More Americans think Trump is a dictator than think Zelinsky is.

 

 

You speak in vague terms and generalities to make your opinion plausible. You state the above as if it's some grand epiphany, but it's just your weak opinion again. "Most Americans" don't know much about the realities of the Ukraine war given the diet of US legacy media. Nevertheless, they have broken their malaise.

 

It's finished and that's only a positive thing for the world, but especially the Ukrainians and Russians.

 

Like I said - you are wrong about absolutely everything. Have some humility F F S 🤯

 

 

2 hours ago, The Legend said:

Obviously, judging by your avatar you are a person with a bias and axe to grind.

 

It's over. Your nation sucked up 300B of USD alone and lost.

 

You're US funding is finished. Feel free to grind on and lose another 100k before Russia puts you out f your misery.

 

Instead of posting here might I suggest heading to the front lines?

 

This is pure propaganda

Every US dollar well spent. Ukraine has atrophied Russia's army, leading it to consist of released prisoners and north Koreans who don't even know who they're fighting.

And not one US soldier as been killed, barring those brave souls who volunteered.

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

Nothing on the atrocities then, just a 'I don't care '.

And you have verifiable proof....no, didn't think so

6 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

 

 

It's sad to see the mind numbing effects that indoctrination can have on people.

 

The comment by @The Legend who appears to be misnomer, fails to consider the complexity of the war in Ukraine, the immense human toll it has taken on the Ukrainian people, and the consequences of Russian aggression in Eastern Europe and beyond. First off, the comment dismisses the suffering of the Ukrainians who have lost their lives, homes, and loved ones in the war. This sort of callousness is incredibly insensitive and disrespectful.  Secondly, it ignores the fact that Ukraine is fighting to preserve its sovereignty and democratic government against an invading force.

 

@The Legend  making that comment seems to be deeply misinformed and potentially influenced by Russian propaganda.

Ukraine has been a sovereign nation since the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, and it has held several democratic elections since then, including the election of Volodymyr Zelensky as president in 2019. The claim that Zelensky has “refused elections” is simply false.

 

Lol

 

Oooh the big guns are out. A well written if not disingenuous post based on a logical fallacy/ies. Also, you have a lie by omission. 

 

Correct, Zelensky has not outright refused elections - he just isn't holding them nor is he stepping aside. His term of presidency is LONG over. Legally grounded power grab, silence and murder of media, banning opposition, banning media...on on.

 

Not to worry though because it's OVER

 

You're all wrong and you're all DONE .

 

 

20 minutes ago, The Legend said:

The USAID budget is not tiny by any stretch.

 

The war in Eastern Europe will cease. It's already in progress. You're another keyboard warrior never seen a day of military service.

 

How possible could Ukraine continue the war genius ?

 

Please..where are the men coming from to continue to toss in the meat grinder?

 

Where is the next 100 billion coming from?

 

Like Mr Mike you are another Peter WRONGWAY Peachfuzz.  All your BS prognostication... It's all total <deleted> and so with this meager opinion.

 

Wrong about Trump, about J6, about COVID about the Ukraine war. You're just wrong about everything.

 

What's atrocious about you and Mr Mike is that despite all this misperceived reality you continue to post on here the same wrong, misperceptions, ignorance, dis and misinformation like it's just another day and an opinion equal to any other.

 

Your opinions are constantly wrong and out of step with the American people and most importantly objective reality.

 

never mind the USA 

 

Just now, The Legend said:

You're another shill on here.

 

But again - your opinion doesn't matter. The truth matters and reality matters and all those indicators point to the war being wrongheaded and most importantly FINISHED.

 

So keep posting this mindless jibberish. Do all you people think you're changing reality? You're not even changing people's minds.

 

This subforum is disinformation central

The truth does indeed matter, and the appeaser Trump cravenly giving in to a murderous dictator is exposed all over the world. 

What does Putin have on the world's biggest liar?

Europe will back Ukraine, along with other Western allies.

Leave Donald no mates Trump to damage his own economy with tariffs, lol.

12 minutes ago, The Legend said:

You're another shill on here.

 

But again - your opinion doesn't matter. The truth matters and reality matters and all those indicators point to the war being wrongheaded and most importantly FINISHED.

 

So keep posting this mindless jibberish. Do all you people think you're changing reality? You're not even changing people's minds.

 

This subforum is disinformation central

Quote: "This subforum is disinformation central"

 

So you fit in here very nicely!! And I found this great post about trump which you won't like, but it is so true.

 

"I am sick of people pretending he isn't a felon. I'm sick of his lies, his smirk, his hideous makeup, his arrogance, his voice, and his face. I can't wait for him to be out of our lives, once and for all".

I am sick of people pretending he isn't a felon. I'm sick of his lies, his smirk, his hideous makeup, his arrogance, his voice, and his face. I can't wait for him to be out of our lives, once and for all.

I am sick of people pretending he isn't a felon. I'm sick of his lies, his smirk, his hideous makeup, his arrogance, his voice, and his face. I can't wait for him to be out of our lives, once and for all.am sick of people pretending he isn't a felon. I'm sick of his lies, his smirk, his hideous makeup, his arrogance, his voice, and his face. I can't wait for him to be out of our lives, once and for all.

3 minutes ago, bannork said:

never mind the USA 

 

I don't understand your silly retort nor am I going to view some stupid yt propaganda piece you toss up in a tantrum.

 

Trump and Putin will end the war in the weeks ahead. Godspeed and despite so many of your ignorant and most likely paid for opinions.

 

I feel so sorry my tax dollars went to fund this idiocy. Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Ukraine any numb nuts see a pattern??

 

 

2 minutes ago, The Legend said:

I don't understand your silly retort nor am I going to view some stupid yt propaganda piece you toss up in a tantrum.

 

Trump and Putin will end the war in the weeks ahead. Godspeed and despite so many of your ignorant and most likely paid for opinions.

 

I feel so sorry my tax dollars went to fund this idiocy. Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Ukraine any numb nuts see a pattern??

 

 

Your tax dollars crippled the Russian army and has saved the Ukrainian people left in free Ukraine from being subjugated, raped and murdered by the Russian psychopath.

20 minutes ago, bannork said:

Every US dollar well spent. Ukraine has atrophied Russia's army, leading it to consist of released prisoners and north Koreans who don't even know who they're fighting.

And not one US soldier as been killed, barring those brave souls who volunteered.

Not you dollars though aye released prisoners? Hahaha, jeez, you well n truely swallowed the BS, is there 1 single bit of proof of these soliders/prisoners. 😃

13 minutes ago, xylophone said:

So you fit in here very nicely!! And I found this great post about trump which you won't like, but it is so true.

 

"I am sick of people pretending he isn't a felon. I'm sick of his lies, his smirk, his hideous makeup, his arrogance, his voice, and his face. I can't wait for him to be out of our lives, once and for all".

I am sick of people pretending he isn't a felon. I'm sick of his lies, his smirk, his hideous makeup, his arrogance, his voice, and his face. I can't wait for him to be out of our lives, once and for all.

I am sick of people pretending he isn't a felon. I'm sick of his lies, his smirk, his hideous makeup, his arrogance, his voice, and his face. I can't wait for him to be out of our lives, once and for all.am sick of people pretending he isn't a felon. I'm sick of his lies, his smirk, his hideous makeup, his arrogance, his voice, and his face. I can't wait for him to be out of our lives, once and for all.

 

This has nothing to do with the topic.

 

This is just more emotional blah blah.

2 minutes ago, bannork said:

Your tax dollars crippled the Russian army and has saved the Ukrainian people left in free Ukraine from being subjugated, raped and murdered by the Russian psychopath.

Logical fallacy appeal to emotion. Of course, none of this is true.

Happening on both sides. Rules tend to go out the window in combat. I knew a helicopter pilot that flew in the Vietnam War. They would get info by taking POW's up in the chopper. After the 1st one was thrown out for withholding info the information flowed.

War's Hell.  And the first casualty of war is Truth. 

Who do I believe?  Those who pushed right up against Russia's border and then chose war when a peace agreement had been initialed in April 2022 - or - those who have now pushed half-way to the Dnieper River and are posed to keep pushing if the global powers (US and Russia as well as China) don't put this to an end.  Fyi - the EU, UK, and Ukraine are essentially irrelevant. This will end when the global power bring it to an end.  Until then.  Well, war's hell. Both sides will point fingers at the other and scream, "War Crimes," but at the end, to the victor goes the spoils.