Illegally Taking my daughter from Thailand

[pbeieio]

In 2011, I (recently) found out that my wife (now ex)took my daughter from Thailand to Australia without my knowledge or prior consent.

I suspect that something underhand was done via the visa agency she uses to obtain said.

Ironically, I was also in Australia at the same time, but also she failed to advise me of their presence in the country.

Has anyone got any idea's as to how she achieved this and how I might prevent this from happening again?

[ABCer]

Please clarify:

Are you a Thai?

Is your wife a Thai?

Is your daughter a Thai?

If you don't know her whereabouts, isn't it too early to talk about prevention in the future?

Your daughter is gone without your knowledge or consent and you suspect 'something wrong'?

[Satcommlee]

Are you married? is an important question... if not you have no rights and it is not your business.

[pbeieio]

Please clarify:

Are you a Thai?

Is your wife a Thai?

Is your daughter a Thai?

If you don't know her whereabouts, isn't it too early to talk about prevention in the future?

Your daughter is gone without your knowledge or consent and you suspect 'something wrong'?

I am British. Wife is Thai. Daughter is Thai but bears my Surname. I am now in BKK with my daughter.

[krisb]

Your other daughter?

[benalibina]

Communication !?!?

[David48]

To the OP pbeieio ... you need to clarify a few facts.

You talk about a daughter going to Australia.

You talk about a daughter living with you in Thailand.

Is their only one daughter? Are there two or more Daughters?

At the time the daughter (the one who went to Australia) was born, were you and your wife married, as in a registered marriage or an Village ceremony?

What information do you have that identifies that your daughter went to Australia?

Does she have a Thai Passport and were you ask to partake in that process?

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[Maestro]

It's like one of those movies that use flashback scenes.

Today, the OP is divorced and lives with his daughter in Thailand.

Recently, he found out that...

in the year 2011, when he was still married and he was in Australia, leaving his wife and daughter behind in Thailand, his wife travelled with the daughter to Australia without his permission.

[seajae]

if your daughter had a passport then there is nothing stopping her leaving the country with either parent unless one of them has a court order stopping it & that states it requires their personal permission before she can go outside the country. This is the rule in Australia but if she did have a passport then it is legal, if she didnt then your signature and permission is required for her to obtain one. As you did not mention passports at all we have no idea what happened, If your daughter never had a passport while you were there then your ex did obviously not get your permission and you have a valid case to have your daughter passport revoked, again based on aussie laws but I imagine that if you can prove it is not your signature on the application then your ex can be charged as it is an offence to do it fraudulently.

[ggold]

How did she get a Visa to Australia? this sounds like BS to me

[Thai at Heart]

if your daughter had a passport then there is nothing stopping her leaving the country with either parent unless one of them has a court order stopping it & that states it requires their personal permission before she can go outside the country. This is the rule in Australia but if she did have a passport then it is legal, if she didnt then your signature and permission is required for her to obtain one. As you did not mention passports at all we have no idea what happened, If your daughter never had a passport while you were there then your ex did obviously not get your permission and you have a valid case to have your daughter passport revoked, again based on aussie laws but I imagine that if you can prove it is not your signature on the application then your ex can be charged as it is an offence to do it fraudulently.

Standard practice for immigration to ask for a letter from the partner who isn't present

[Mario2008]

Moved to family and children.

[kurnell]

My friend recently took his son to Australia without his Thai wife's permission. I doubt the Thai immigration dept give a toss as his ex-wife took his other daughter to live in the USA without his permission also.

[Mario2008]

There is no problem for the mother traveling with the daughter out of Thailand. The mother did nothing illegal with that. Problems can arise when they travel to a country for which the child needs a visa. Than it is not uncommon that both parent sign the visa application, but can also depend on the type of visa. For a short stay visa checks could be less.

If you have shared custody, you could consult a lawyer about a judge issuing an order that the child can not be taken out of the country and to surrender the passport. If you didn't sign for the passport, the passport was issue illegally and should be revoked as both parents are required to approve a Thai passport application.

[crumpled]

Is there some hint of jealousy at the thought she maybe had a sponsor in Australia who paid for mother and daughter to go for a holiday? If not and if the daughter has arrived back safe and sound to Thailand, I cannot see why the OP has such a problem. Many single parents take their children on holiday, for - you guessed it - a holiday.

OP you do give too little information on marriage status, court orders, amount of daughter and other pertinent points, as other people have said earlier in this topic.

[pbeieio]

What caused me some concern is that in 2008 whilst we were all traveling together to the UK, after passing through immigration, I was called over to the Thai section (which my wife and daughter used) to verify their bona fides. She was asked then if she had permission to take my daughter out of the country, which was confirmed by me!

The confusion arises because if she was checked in 2008 when she was travelling with me how could she achieve this in 2011?

[AYJAYDEE]

What caused me some concern is that in 2008 whilst we were all traveling together to the UK, after passing through immigration, I was called over to the Thai section (which my wife and daughter used) to verify their bona fides. She was asked then if she had permission to take my daughter out of the country, which was confirmed by me!

The confusion arises because if she was checked in 2008 when she was travelling with me how could she achieve this in 2011?

maybe in 2011 she claimed she was a single mom and there was no dad in their lives

[pbeieio]

Let me clarify this.

In 2008 they were not going to let her travel out of Thailand with my daughter unless she could provide proof of my consent!

[Jayroo]

"Not without my daughter"

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[Maestro]

I have removed

1. a troll post
2. a flane calling another member a troll
3. an off-topic post about knowledge of the English language and the five replies to it

[mickjn]

I will sum it up quickly for you.If the child is in no danger from a parent a court would side with the mother 95% of the time in any country

[Bluetongue]

Well my wife's son travelled with us to Australia on a tourist visa in 2010, he was 14 then and at no stage was she asked for the father's permission, however she did have to get the document confirming sole custody from the Amphur before he could get a passport, as the father was long gone she had to take a respectable neighbour as a witness. So I believe in your case as the daughter already had a passport no permission would be required, the 2008 check on exit may have been caused by some other reason such as the purpose of going to UK or even over zealous official,