Government sets vote on amnesty bill for Friday

[Lite Beer]

Government sets vote on amnesty bill for Friday

BANGKOK: -- The government whip on Wednesday set the dates for the House's deliberations of the amnesty bill in the second and third readings as tomorrow and Friday, chief government whip Amnuay Klangpa said.

Deputy chief whip Paijit Sriworakhan said the government whip also agreed to vote on the bill in its third reading on Friday. The whip will later discuss the schedule with the Opposition whip.

The opposition Democrat Party on Wednesday declared a major rally tomorrow evening to protest against the bill, which would grant a blanket amnesty to all those involved in political protests from the September 19, 2006 coup to August 8, 2013, with the exception of those accused of violating Section 112 of the Criminal Code, also known as the lese majeste law.

-- The Nation 2013-10-30

[webfact]

Democrats can exercise constitutional rights to rally: EC commissioner
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Democrat Party MPs can exercise their constitutional rights to hold peaceful demonstration, Election Commission member Prapun Naigowit said Wednesday.

Prapun said peaceful rallies as sanctioned by the Constitution would not prompt the party to be dissolved.

He was commenting on speculations that the Pheu Thai would file a petition against the Democrat with the EC after the party organises a mass rally against the amnesty bill on Thursday.


-- The Nation 2013-10-30

[Nickymaster]

The nation

Edited October 30, 2013 by Nickymaster

[winstonc]

the wife is flying from ubon to bkk tomorrow for the protests..good girl...dont believe the propaganda about no protesting because of the passing of the monk..not true,,also many people in isaan are not reds,though they are very outnumbered...there are thais who deeply care about their country..their not all selfish...

[LuckyLew]

Cannot say I am surprised that the holes who run this country are trying to ram this "bring the felon" home bill thru during a period of mourning. Just goes to show how little class they have. respect for no one .... care only about themselves and their undying love of Thaksin and his money.

[NongKhaiKid]

Cannot say I am surprised that the holes who run this country are trying to ram this "bring the felon" home bill thru during a period of mourning. Just goes to show how little class they have. respect for no one .... care only about themselves and their undying love of Thaksin and his money.

The problem for a lot of the sycophants and general hangers on is that Mr. T is a user and he won't be in the business of rewarding everyone only those and such as those like family and VICs ( Very Important Cronies ).

[webfact]

Democrats to stage rally nationwide in protest of amnesty bill

BANGKOK, 30 October 2013 (NNT) - The opposition Democrat Party is preparing to mobilize supporters nationwide to stage a rally against the amnesty bill due to be deliberated by the House on Thursday.

The party’s four executives are set to resign from their posts to lead the rally. They include Thaworn Senniam for the South, Korn Chatikvanich for Bangkok, Issara Somchai for the Northeast and Siriwan Pratsajaksatru for the North.

Protests in Bangkok will initially be held on Sethasiri Road near the Democrat Party’s headquarters. Rallies in other provinces will be staged outside their respective city halls.

The executives held a meeting on Tuesday after the house’s decision to call a meeting on Thursday to deliberate the revised amnesty bill.

If approved, the bill will provide blanket amnesty for those involved in political protests from the September 19, 2006 coup to August 8, 2013.


-- NNT 2013-10-30

[webfact]

Red Sunday to demonstrate against amnesty bill on Nov 10
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Sombat Boonngarmanong, the leader of the Red Sunday Group, said his group would hold a demonstration against the amnesty bill on November 10.

Sombat said he expected that more than 10,000 red shirts would join the protest.

He said his group would not join the Democrat's rally because his group campaigned against the bill with goal to bring Democrats to justice related to bloody crackdowns in 2010.


-- The Nation 2013-10-30

[gemini81]

And those who don't tow the line will slowly disappear, and those against will be intimidated and coerced behind closed doors.

Ah, as we thought, the main priority of PTP from the beginning, along with plunder coming in second place. Bad people will get their's sooner or later.

[webfact]

Suriyasai calls on opponent groups to be on alert for mass rally
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Suriyasai Katasila of the Green Politics Group told anti-government civic groups on Wednesday to start moving to join the rallies in Bangkok from Thursday night.

He said the groups in the provinces risk being blocked by the authorities and that there should therefore come to Bangkok and join the rallies at the Lumpini Park or the Urupong Intersection on Thursday night.

The demonstrators should get ready to stay in Bangkok until the International Court of Justice delivers its ruling on the Preah Vihear temple dispute on November 11, Suriyasai said.

The groups remaining in the provinces should be ready to join a mass protest once the amnesty bill clears the third reading in the House, he said.

Suriyasai said his group had coordinated with other groups in all provinces to be on high alert and prepare for joining a mass rally in Bangkok.

Meanwhile, Sombat Boonngarmanong, the leader of the Red Sunday Group, said his group would hold a demonstration against the amnesty bill on November 10.

Sombat said he expected that more than 10,000 red shirts would join the protest.

He said his group would not join the Democrat's rally because his group was campaigning against the bill with the goal of bringing the Democrats to justice for the bloody crackdowns in 2010.


-- The Nation 2013-10-30

[webfact]

Weng insists three red-shirt MPs will abstain on amnesty bill vote
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Pheu Thai MP Weng Tojirakarn said Wednesday that he and two other red-shirt MPs would go against the party's resolution by abstaining on the amnesty bill vote.

The Pheu Thai resolved to have all of its MPs vote in support of the bill.

But Weng said he, Natthawut Saikaur and Worachai Hema would choose to abstain instead.

"I'll be ready to face a punishment by the party. My abstention will not be a wrongdoing but I want to remind the party of what should be right," Weng said.


-- The Nation 2013-10-30

[ratcatcher]

Weng insists three red-shirt MPs will abstain on amnesty bill vote

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Pheu Thai MP Weng Tojirakarn said Wednesday that he and two other red-shirt MPs would go against the party's resolution by abstaining on the amnesty bill vote.

The Pheu Thai resolved to have all of its MPs vote in support of the bill.

But Weng said he, Natthawut Saikaur and Worachai Hema would choose to abstain instead.

"I'll be ready to face a punishment by the party. My abstention will not be a wrongdoing but I want to remind the party of what should be right," Weng said.

-- The Nation 2013-10-30

Weng, Nattawut & Worachai, three great men of principle, abstaining and going against PTP policy.

Bravo.

[siampolee]

What may well be an interesting point is the Red Shirt protest.

How many will actually attend the rally if there is no handout as was the case in their previous actions?

What will the co-operation be like (if any) between the differing politically biased groups, will they unite under a common banner regarding their opposition to this bill with out any disturbances or will there be outside factions with vested interests trying to incite violence against demonstrator groups or actually facing up to the police?

Thaksin is an adroit manipulator of people and possibly some of the Red Shirts will be ''encouraged '' to be somewhat more strident and physical in their approach to others involved in the upcoming rally.

This upcoming rally is a form of theatre the actors are being directed by assorted directors with differing views and the audience may well be confused at to the reality and gravity of this rally. The desired end is the publicity that attracts attention to the bill.

The main point will be the attention it draws to Thaksins situation as the director of this bill. Thaksin has been and still is conducting a psychological campaign along with his underlings that in reality is aimed at undermining Thai society as well as achieving his whitewash and a return to power with the result of turning the Thai people into his and his family and their brown nosing acolytes vassals

This rally hopefully will teach Thaksin not only how to spell L O S E but also actually experience that sensation also.

The Thai people are the critics concerning this current theatrical presentation by the P.T.P. marionettes company and it may well be those critics will pan the show and as a result that shows run will stop forthwith.

[AleG]

This is the definition of ramrodding legislation, they want to push it through before anyone can organize any sort of resistance.

Mark my words, those who vote for this will have blood in their hands.

[webfact]

Conflict resolution experts calls on govt to rethink Amnesty bill
Pravit Rojanaphruk
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- A conflict resolution expert warned on Wednesday that the blanket amnesty bill could lead to a new round of violent clashes and urged the ruling Pheu Thai party not to involve leaders from both sides of the conflict from benefiting from the amnesty bill.

Eakpant Pindavanija, a lecturer at Mahidol University's Institute of Human Rights and Peace Studies said he's deeply concerns that a new round of violent clashes could occur as many groups, including some red shirts, are geared up to oppose the bill and urged the Pheu Thai party to rethink before it's too late.

"I don't agree with the [blanket] amnesty bill," he said, adding that only ordinary protesters and rank-and-file security officers and soldiers who acted on orders should be granted amnesty but not leaders in both camps.

"Those who should benefit from the amnesty should not have vested interests in the conflict," Eakapant told The Nation. "The objective of an amnesty bill should be to assist these small people."


-- The Nation 2013-10-30

[webfact]

White masks to rally against amnesty bill on Thursday
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The white-mask group Wednesday urged its supporters to come out to join demonstration against the amnesty bill on Thursday.

The group posted a message on the wall of V for Thailand Facebook page, telling the white masks to gather at the Ramathibodi Hospital at 5 pm. The group would march to the Urupong Intersection at 5:30 pm.

The white masks would later move to join the Democrat rally at the Samsen railway station at 6 pm.


-- The Nation 2013-10-30

[siampolee]

As an aside

Going to be interesting to see how the security forces and the police along with any type of dubious civilian vigilante forces handle any demonstration that may arise over the next few days.

If push comes to shove and violence erupts ( which personally I hope will not happen) there might well be a very hard push to actually clear this bill as those aforementioned parties might well find themselves in need of an amnesty for any actions that they may have taken concerning this proposed upcoming rally and its management within a framework of laws civil or martial..

[Nickymaster]

Weng insists three red-shirt MPs will abstain on amnesty bill vote

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Pheu Thai MP Weng Tojirakarn said Wednesday that he and two other red-shirt MPs would go against the party's resolution by abstaining on the amnesty bill vote.

The Pheu Thai resolved to have all of its MPs vote in support of the bill.

But Weng said he, Natthawut Saikaur and Worachai Hema would choose to abstain instead.

"I'll be ready to face a punishment by the party. My abstention will not be a wrongdoing but I want to remind the party of what should be right," Weng said.

-- The Nation 2013-10-30

I am so touched by the actions of the three leaders. Almost had to cry when I read it.

They will not vote (because it is wrong!!!) and will accept the punishment.

(What a game, what a bunch of )

Edited October 30, 2013 by Nickymaster

[klubex99]

Wow, new factions joining the rallies by the minute almost.

Bad timing by PTP just before the weekend when more people have extra time to hit BKK.

But then again, they were understandably hoping to USE the mourning period of the supreme patriarch to subdue the desire to protest, hoping that protestors would see it as disrespectful.... looks like they miscalculated again.

Hope nobody is planning to drive in BKK over the next few days, you may have a wait.

[Scott]

An off-topic post has been deleted.

[rubl]

It would seem that secretary-general Paradorn Pattanatabut thinks all those protesters have it wrong and should wait a bit. Not explicitly said that it should be a wait till too late though.

The NSC chief urged the public not to join the protest, saying the controversial bill is still up for debate through the parliamentary process that will see the legislation further scrutinised in the House and the Senate.

"The administration needs to explain the steps of the parliamentary process to the public,'' the NSC chief said, adding that the bill could still be referred to the Constitution Court.

So, to conclude: nothing to see here, all's working as it should, just go home and wait for your wonderfull government to tell you the good news later.

[Robby nz]

Mrs tells me it is reported on Facebook that the police are setting up check points north of BKK in an attempt to turn back anti-govt protesters.

Saw this not long back when we had to go to town while there was a protest on, the police were stopping all vans, never stopped our bus.

Wondered if they will let the reds pass.

[klubex99]

Mrs tells me it is reported on Facebook that the police are setting up check points north of BKK in an attempt to turn back anti-govt protesters.

Saw this not long back when we had to go to town while there was a protest on, the police were stopping all vans, never stopped our bus.

Wondered if they will let the reds pass.

So whatever happened to the people's right to peaceful protest as enshrined in the constitution??

More and more like a dictatorship every day.

If the people are refused entry to Bangkok, then they should set up camp right there and block the road. If everyone refused to turn their vehicles around and instead just took the keys out and walked away, there is little the police can do. They would have little choice but to let them through to clear the road.

Edited October 30, 2013 by klubex99

[h90]

the wife is flying from ubon to bkk tomorrow for the protests..good girl...dont believe the propaganda about no protesting because of the passing of the monk..not true,,also many people in isaan are not reds,though they are very outnumbered...there are thais who deeply care about their country..their not all selfish...

wife is angry because she must be in the south because a relative died, but will be at the protests very soon......Good to hear that some people in Isaan aren't victims of the red propaganda.

[h90]

Mrs tells me it is reported on Facebook that the police are setting up check points north of BKK in an attempt to turn back anti-govt protesters.

Saw this not long back when we had to go to town while there was a protest on, the police were stopping all vans, never stopped our bus.

Wondered if they will let the reds pass.

So whatever happened to the people's right to peaceful protest as enshrined in the constitution??

More and more like a dictatorship every day.

If the people are refused entry to Bangkok, then they should set up camp right there and block the road. If everyone refused to turn their vehicles around and instead just took the keys out and walked away, there is little the police can do. They would have little choice but to let them through to clear the road.

last demonstrations the same thing happend......

On the other side in the south the labor union of the trains showed solidarity and let demonstrators travel for free

Actually it is the duty of a state owned railway to support the people...

[whybother]

"I'll be ready to face a punishment by the party. My abstention will not be a wrongdoing but I want to remind the party of what should be right," Weng said.

If it's not right, then vote against it, weak p&@%ks.

[SABloke]

Weng insists three red-shirt MPs will abstain on amnesty bill vote

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Pheu Thai MP Weng Tojirakarn said Wednesday that he and two other red-shirt MPs would go against the party's resolution by abstaining on the amnesty bill vote.

The Pheu Thai resolved to have all of its MPs vote in support of the bill.

But Weng said he, Natthawut Saikaur and Worachai Hema would choose to abstain instead.

"I'll be ready to face a punishment by the party. My abstention will not be a wrongdoing but I want to remind the party of what should be right," Weng said.

-- The Nation 2013-10-30

Weng, Nattawut & Worachai, three great men of principle, abstaining and going against PTP policy.

Bravo.

Or maybe they've seen the writing on the wall and are preparing to continue their political careers in the aftermath of what might follow. "You see, we were never REALLY supporting Thaksin, can we join you Mr. Abhisit"

Edited October 30, 2013 by SABloke

[hellodolly]

Weng insists three red-shirt MPs will abstain on amnesty bill vote

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Pheu Thai MP Weng Tojirakarn said Wednesday that he and two other red-shirt MPs would go against the party's resolution by abstaining on the amnesty bill vote.

The Pheu Thai resolved to have all of its MPs vote in support of the bill.

But Weng said he, Natthawut Saikaur and Worachai Hema would choose to abstain instead.

"I'll be ready to face a punishment by the party. My abstention will not be a wrongdoing but I want to remind the party of what should be right," Weng said.

-- The Nation 2013-10-30

Weng, Nattawut & Worachai, three great men of principle, abstaining and going against PTP policy.

Bravo.

Or maybe they've seen the writing on the wall and are preparing to continue their political careers in the aftermath of what might follow. "You see, we were never REALLY supporting Thaksin, can we join you Mr. Abhisit"

[Baerboxer]

Mrs tells me it is reported on Facebook that the police are setting up check points north of BKK in an attempt to turn back anti-govt protesters.

Saw this not long back when we had to go to town while there was a protest on, the police were stopping all vans, never stopped our bus.

Wondered if they will let the reds pass.

So whatever happened to the people's right to peaceful protest as enshrined in the constitution??

More and more like a dictatorship every day.

If the people are refused entry to Bangkok, then they should set up camp right there and block the road. If everyone refused to turn their vehicles around and instead just took the keys out and walked away, there is little the police can do. They would have little choice but to let them through to clear the road.

No, no. This is the democratic peoples' populist government, led by the democratically elected champion of human rights, democracy and founder of Thailand's Smart Lady competition. All her populist creative talented government are trying to do is push through a bill to bring peace and harmony so the country can move forward to lead AEC and regain its position as the world's biggest rice exporter next year.

Ok, so those nasty criminal Dems will get let off, and her poor politically persecuted and much maligned brother will be whitewashed. Just coincidental to the real aim of lasting peace and democracy. The same democracy North Koreans, Cambodians and Zimbabwean enjoy.

People's right to protest - of course they can. But, the professional police are clever to prevent trouble makers coming to Bangkok to abuse the right of peaceful protest. All part of the new regimes benevolence towards the people, making sure everyone is safe.

[centrala]

"I'll be ready to face a punishment by the party. My abstention will not be a wrongdoing but I want to remind the party of what should be right," Weng said.

If it's not right, then vote against it, weak p&@%ks.

Indeed.

He said he's opposed to the amnesty bill, but he won't vote in opposition to the bill.

So much for his overly vaunted principles.

It is funny to, once again, see in the OP that Pheu Thai issue edicts that full compliance to its voting selection is demanded of its MP's. Non-compliance in the TRT days led to dismissals. Seems absolutely no independent thought is tolerated in this PTP-style democracy, either.

Lets see if the Reds get tossed.

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Edited October 30, 2013 by centrala