I I am married but on a retirement visa...Needs advise...Thank you

[umbanda]

I want to register a partnership JUST with my wife to run a small herbal products retail shop.

Can I register a partnership 55% / 45% just with my wife? Can I register this kind of partnership with my retirement visa or I need to change for marriage visa? Can I get a WP later with this kind of partnership? I need to have "special skills" to register this partnership or get a work permit to work JUST with my wife?...even if I will be seated all day in front of a computer?

If I need a marriage visa to get a WP...can I make the change and get the WP after my next extension in June 2014?

[ubonjoe]

Yes you can set up a partnership with your wife. It can be 51% hers and still qualify as a Thai company. It would only need 1 million baht registered capital for you to get a work permit.

You could set it up while on your current extension. And get the work after you change the reason for your extension.

[Mario2008]

Ownership and working are two different things.

You can have a partnership with your wife, as you have a minority stake in the company (Might be required to also have another Thai person as a partner, not sure on that).

Working in the business would require a work eprmit, which will not be issued on an extension of stay based on retirement. Based on working, you would need to employ at least two Thai nationals and you will also need to have a minimum monthly income of 50,000 baht a month.

[ubonjoe]

No minimum salary is needed he will have an extension based upon marriage to a Thai.

There is none needed to get a work permit also.

[Mario2008]

No minimum salary is needed he will have an extension based upon marriage to a Thai.

There is none needed to get a work permit also.

I forgot about that extension.

Time or some coffee.

[Pib]

No minimum salary is needed he will have an extension based upon marriage to a Thai.

There is none needed to get a work permit also.

Just to get it clear in my mind, you are saying if he's on a marriage extension of stay he can work in the company with no work permit? Or, to get the work permit on the marriage extension of stay no minimum salary is needed?

[Mario2008]

He needs a work permit anyway.

But there are two requirements, the requirements from the labour office to get a WP and the requirements from immigration to get an extension of stay. Based on working, the requirements from immirgaiton as much stricter than the requirements from the labour office for the WP.

Based on marriage he doesn't need to meet those requirements, but the requirements for marriage: income of 40,000 or 400,000 in the bank.

[ubonjoe]

No minimum salary is needed he will have an extension based upon marriage to a Thai.

There is none needed to get a work permit also.

Just to get it clear in my mind, you are saying if he's on a marriage extension of stay he can work in the company with no work permit? Or, to get the work permit on the marriage extension of stay no minimum salary is needed?

He still needs a work permit that is why mentioned it.

[Pib]

Ok...thanks for the clarification.

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[umbanda]

OK guys...Thank you very much for the info. I hope will be useful for other people too.

Let me see if I got right...step by step...

1) I register a ORDINARY partnership JUST with my wife..OR...a limited PARTNERSHIP if I need to have more partners.....

2) In the second case I need to register a 1.000.000

2) I change my retirement extension for marriage extension......

3) I do not know if the partnership will make any income...but...

3) If I can show that I still having a income from overseas of 40000thb/month or combination with a bank deposit I will qualify for the marriage extension

[ubonjoe]

OK guys...Thank you very much for the info. I hope will be useful for other people too.

Let me see if I got right...step by step...

 

1) I register a ORDINARY partnership JUST with my wife..OR...a limited PARTNERSHIP if I need to have more partners.....

2) In the second case I need to register a 1.000.000

2) I change my retirement extension for marriage extension......

3) I do not know if the partnership will make any income...but...

3) If I can show that I still having a income from overseas of 40000thb/month or combination with a bank deposit I will qualify for the marriage extension

For an extension based upon marriage it is 40k baht income or 400k baht in the bank. A combination of the 2 is not allowed.

[digitalchromakey]

OK guys...Thank you very much for the info. I hope will be useful for other people too.

Let me see if I got right...step by step...

1) I register a ORDINARY partnership JUST with my wife..OR...a limited PARTNERSHIP if I need to have more partners.....

2) In the second case I need to register a 1.000.000

2) I change my retirement extension for marriage extension......

3) I do not know if the partnership will make any income...but...

3) If I can show that I still having a income from overseas of 40000thb/month or combination with a bank deposit I will qualify for the marriage extension

1) Limited Partnership if you want to be a partner, your wife would have to be the signatory (she will also have 100% liabilty for any debts accrued).

2) Yes - 1,000,000 Registerd Capital.

3) Yes - However Catch 22 may apply as you need a WP plus tax paid to use the 40,000 pcm income as a basis for extension and you will almost certainly not be able to get a WP issued with a retirement visa.

Solution would be to first form the Ltd Partnership, apply for the WP, then leave Thailand to get a 90 day non immigrant 'B' visa at a Thai Consuloar facility, re-enter Thailand sining the 90 day Non 'B' Visa, pick up your WP, start work, pay tax on 40,000 THB pcm, then 30 days before your Entry Permission expires, use the 90 day non 'b' entry, plus your WP to apply for an Extension of Permisssion to Stay based on being a Family Member of a Thai with earned income of > 40,000 pcm (National Police Order 777/2551 Case 2.18).

[umbanda]

Well....sound very complicated. I prefer to keep my retirement extension until next immigration extension appointment , 7 months from now.

Let me know what you do think about this option:

1) Register an ordinary partnership with legal juridic status between my wife with 99% share and her 25 years old son with 1% share.

2) Later, 7 months from now when I will be getting my 4rd renewal of retirement extension, apply for a WP or permanent residence, because I will be "buying" 44% of my wife shares, or registering a limited company with her and other partners.

Just to avoid comments not related with my question.

I am not investing any money in this business. My wife and her son only can do it with my help, and my connections, and I trust her and her son 100%. I need her to be ready to start the business ASAP.

I will do all the company registration paperwork by myself and with a free help of an English speaker employee of the DBD. He is just doing what he does to Thai people everyday. I do not trust any lawyer or business service asking for an abusive 30000thb to 70000thb to do something that cost not more of 5000thb, and is not so big deal like them like US to believe.

Thank you

[ubonjoe]

Well....sound very complicated. I prefer to keep my retirement extension until next immigration extension appointment , 7 months from now.

Let me know what you do think about this option:

 

1) Register an ordinary partnership with legal juridic status between my wife with 99% share and her 25 years old son with 1% share.

2) Later, 7 months from now when I will be getting my 4rd renewal of retirement extension, apply for a WP or permanent residence, because I will be "buying" 44% of my wife shares, or registering a limited company with her and other partners.

 

Just to avoid comments not related with my question.

I am not investing any money in this business. My wife and her son only can do it with my help, and my connections, and I trust her and her son 100%. I need her to be ready to start the business ASAP.

I will do all the company registration paperwork by myself and with a free help of an English speaker employee of the DBD. He is just doing what he does to Thai people everyday. I do not trust any lawyer or business service asking for an abusive 30000thb to 70000thb to do something that cost not more of 5000thb, and is not so big deal like them like US to believe.

 

Thank you

You can wait until your current extension is due renewal and change the reason for your extension to marriage.

[digitalchromakey]

Well....sound very complicated. I prefer to keep my retirement extension until next immigration extension appointment , 7 months from now.

Let me know what you do think about this option:

1) Register an ordinary partnership with legal juridic status between my wife with 99% share and her 25 years old son with 1% share.

2) Later, 7 months from now when I will be getting my 4rd renewal of retirement extension, apply for a WP or permanent residence, because I will be "buying" 44% of my wife shares, or registering a limited company with her and other partners.

Just to avoid comments not related with my question.

I am not investing any money in this business. My wife and her son only can do it with my help, and my connections, and I trust her and her son 100%. I need her to be ready to start the business ASAP.

I will do all the company registration paperwork by myself and with a free help of an English speaker employee of the DBD. He is just doing what he does to Thai people everyday. I do not trust any lawyer or business service asking for an abusive 30000thb to 70000thb to do something that cost not more of 5000thb, and is not so big deal like them like US to believe.

Thank you

By all means keep your Extension based on retirement after you wife starts the business, but remember that it would be illegal for you to work in this business before you have the correct visa status and a Work Permit.

The question is still raised as to how you will change from a Retirement to a Thai Family Extension, you cannot cite income from the business if you follow the route you suggest, so you would have do it on the basis of 400k in the bank.

Do check with your local Labour Dept first that the stamp you would get for a Thai Family Extension with cash in the bank would be ok for the issuance of a WP.

The reason I write this is just that my local Labour Dept can be picky - my extension stamp has something like 'Thai Family - Working' written above it by Immigration in Thai, which my Labour Dept do accept for WP renewal - I use the 40k+ pcm income route for my extension.

[umbanda]

Well....sound very complicated. I prefer to keep my retirement extension until next immigration extension appointment , 7 months from now.

Let me know what you do think about this option:

1) Register an ordinary partnership with legal juridic status between my wife with 99% share and her 25 years old son with 1% share.

2) Later, 7 months from now when I will be getting my 4rd renewal of retirement extension, apply for a WP or permanent residence, because I will be "buying" 44% of my wife shares, or registering a limited company with her and other partners.

Just to avoid comments not related with my question.

I am not investing any money in this business. My wife and her son only can do it with my help, and my connections, and I trust her and her son 100%. I need her to be ready to start the business ASAP.

I will do all the company registration paperwork by myself and with a free help of an English speaker employee of the DBD. He is just doing what he does to Thai people everyday. I do not trust any lawyer or business service asking for an abusive 30000thb to 70000thb to do something that cost not more of 5000thb, and is not so big deal like them like US to believe.

Thank you

By all means keep your Extension based on retirement after you wife starts the business, but remember that it would be illegal for you to work in this business before you have the correct visa status and a Work Permit.

The question is still raised as to how you will change from a Retirement to a Thai Family Extension, you cannot cite income from the business if you follow the route you suggest, so you would have do it on the basis of 400k in the bank.

Do check with your local Labour Dept first that the stamp you would get for a Thai Family Extension with cash in the bank would be ok for the issuance of a WP.

The reason I write this is just that my local Labour Dept can be picky - my extension stamp has something like 'Thai Family - Working' written above it by Immigration in Thai, which my Labour Dept do accept for WP renewal - I use the 40k+ pcm income route for my extension.

Can I get a Thai Family Extension using just 40K/monthly income from my country certified by my embassy?

[digitalchromakey]

Well....sound very complicated. I prefer to keep my retirement extension until next immigration extension appointment , 7 months from now.

Let me know what you do think about this option:

1) Register an ordinary partnership with legal juridic status between my wife with 99% share and her 25 years old son with 1% share.

2) Later, 7 months from now when I will be getting my 4rd renewal of retirement extension, apply for a WP or permanent residence, because I will be "buying" 44% of my wife shares, or registering a limited company with her and other partners.

Just to avoid comments not related with my question.

I am not investing any money in this business. My wife and her son only can do it with my help, and my connections, and I trust her and her son 100%. I need her to be ready to start the business ASAP.

I will do all the company registration paperwork by myself and with a free help of an English speaker employee of the DBD. He is just doing what he does to Thai people everyday. I do not trust any lawyer or business service asking for an abusive 30000thb to 70000thb to do something that cost not more of 5000thb, and is not so big deal like them like US to believe.

Thank you

By all means keep your Extension based on retirement after you wife starts the business, but remember that it would be illegal for you to work in this business before you have the correct visa status and a Work Permit.

The question is still raised as to how you will change from a Retirement to a Thai Family Extension, you cannot cite income from the business if you follow the route you suggest, so you would have do it on the basis of 400k in the bank.

Do check with your local Labour Dept first that the stamp you would get for a Thai Family Extension with cash in the bank would be ok for the issuance of a WP.

The reason I write this is just that my local Labour Dept can be picky - my extension stamp has something like 'Thai Family - Working' written above it by Immigration in Thai, which my Labour Dept do accept for WP renewal - I use the 40k+ pcm income route for my extension.

Can I get a Thai Family Extension using just 40K/monthly income from my country certified by my embassy?

Yes, normally is ok.

Same comments as my last post apply to this method as well (check that the extension stamp for this will be ok for a WP issue with Labour first).

[umbanda]

Well....sound very complicated. I prefer to keep my retirement extension until next immigration extension appointment , 7 months from now.

Let me know what you do think about this option:

1) Register an ordinary partnership with legal juridic status between my wife with 99% share and her 25 years old son with 1% share.

2) Later, 7 months from now when I will be getting my 4rd renewal of retirement extension, apply for a WP or permanent residence, because I will be "buying" 44% of my wife shares, or registering a limited company with her and other partners.

Just to avoid comments not related with my question.

I am not investing any money in this business. My wife and her son only can do it with my help, and my connections, and I trust her and her son 100%. I need her to be ready to start the business ASAP.

I will do all the company registration paperwork by myself and with a free help of an English speaker employee of the DBD. He is just doing what he does to Thai people everyday. I do not trust any lawyer or business service asking for an abusive 30000thb to 70000thb to do something that cost not more of 5000thb, and is not so big deal like them like US to believe.

Thank you

By all means keep your Extension based on retirement after you wife starts the business, but remember that it would be illegal for you to work in this business before you have the correct visa status and a Work Permit.

The question is still raised as to how you will change from a Retirement to a Thai Family Extension, you cannot cite income from the business if you follow the route you suggest, so you would have do it on the basis of 400k in the bank.

Do check with your local Labour Dept first that the stamp you would get for a Thai Family Extension with cash in the bank would be ok for the issuance of a WP.

The reason I write this is just that my local Labour Dept can be picky - my extension stamp has something like 'Thai Family - Working' written above it by Immigration in Thai, which my Labour Dept do accept for WP renewal - I use the 40k+ pcm income route for my extension.

Can I get a Thai Family Extension using just 40K/monthly income from my country certified by my embassy?

Yes, normally is ok.

Same comments as my last post apply to this method as well (check that the extension stamp for this will be ok for a WP issue with Labour first).

Thank you. I believed that was OK too...but you can see that some people here is saying that for a marriage extension just income or income/deposit combination is not accepted, only 400K in the bank. I will like to know if it is some official web site in English given precise information. Like I said, lawyers and services said what justify them to ask for a lot of money. It is frustrating not to find people with honest intentions when looking for advise in this matters with "professionals". Thank you again.

[ubonjoe]

Screen shot of clause 2.18 of police order 777/2551 no combination allowed.

[digitalchromakey]

Can I get a Thai Family Extension using just 40K/monthly income from my country certified by my embassy?

Yes, normally is ok.

Same comments as my last post apply to this method as well (check that the extension stamp for this will be ok for a WP issue with Labour first).

Thank you. I believed that was OK too...but you can see that some people here is saying that for a marriage extension just income or income/deposit combination is not accepted, only 400K in the bank. I will like to know if it is some official web site in English given precise information. Like I said, lawyers and services said what justify them to ask for a lot of money. It is frustrating not to find people with honest intentions when looking for advise in this matters with "professionals". Thank you again.

A National Police Order 777/2551 Case 2.18 Thai Family Extension of Permision to Stay can be supported by evidence that you earn an average annual income of no less than 40,000 per month or can show 400,000 THB money in the bank for two months prior to the application, no combination is possible.

There is no official web site with an english translation of these regulations.

However there are copies of unofficial translations available for download - see item 13 in this Thai Visa Forum Information link http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/3139-useful-immigration-information-visa-descriptions/?p=2613047