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Hi, was just reading thru the last honey post buying from supermarkets v street vendor, but my question is what about the dedicated honey shops? Chiang Mai airport plaza or the shop on the same road as the night market, can we trust these not to have sugar syrup added to them? how pure are they? is all the blurb about which farm its come from completely true? I've always wondered if its just a load of bull for the tourists?

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You think Thais would scam tourists?

Only if the tourists are such easy prey.

...can we trust these not to have sugar syrup added to them? how pure are they? is all the blurb about which farm its come from completely true? I've always wondered if its just a load of bull for the tourists?

You're considering buying some honey not gold or diamonds. How much would it be worth for someone to "counterfeit" honey? How much risk do you think you're taking on board?

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Bought some from shop on night market road last year - lasted 10 months. Seemed very good quality and price. Will buy more from there next April. All seemed legit and good taste.

The shop on Chang Klan you speak of is legit, albeit the prices there are definitely with the tourist in mind. Not sure what you mean by "lasted 10 months". Pure honey can last a lifetime. It never goes bad. We were given a large bottle of honey as a gift and were told it was 'at least 25 years old'. It was great. We went through it in about two years time.

The honey sold at Thai markets is fake so avoid that. Royal Project honey is 100%.

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You think Thais would scam tourists?

Only if the tourists are such easy prey.

...can we trust these not to have sugar syrup added to them? how pure are they? is all the blurb about which farm its come from completely true? I've always wondered if its just a load of bull for the tourists?

You're considering buying some honey not gold or diamonds. How much would it be worth for someone to "counterfeit" honey? How much risk do you think you're taking on board?

You're considering buying some honey not gold or diamonds. How much would it be worth for someone to "counterfeit" honey? How much risk do you think you're taking on board?

You may well be surprised....;

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/627685-thailand-implicated-in-chinese-honey-laundering-scheme/

And this...crazy scary.....http://honeyvietnam.com/en/component/content/article/11-news/26-thailand-named-in-honey-laundering.html

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You think Thais would scam tourists?

Only if the tourists are such easy prey.

...can we trust these not to have sugar syrup added to them? how pure are they? is all the blurb about which farm its come from completely true? I've always wondered if its just a load of bull for the tourists?

You're considering buying some honey not gold or diamonds. How much would it be worth for someone to "counterfeit" honey? How much risk do you think you're taking on board?

Most of the honey sold is not real so it is a valid concern.

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I would say the honey on the night bazaar road is honest honey. They have several different kinds there. I had a small bottle that lasted me a month. I had been told that mixing a table spoon with a table spoon of cinnamon would help with joint pains. I am diabetic so I looked it up on the internet. There is over 1,000 different kinds of honey in the world and they can have different properties the best for all around medical reasons was one from New Zealand. It apparently makes a big difference where the Bee's get the pollen from.

I noticed you mentioned some having sugar added to them. Not on the Night bazaar road. But a couple of articles said it had more of the bad glucose in it than regular sugar. Who really knows you can find most any thing you want to believe on the internet.

The bit about using it when you are diabetic went from no good for you to it can help you. I gave it up as my joints still hurt me. The Cinnamon was a hands down winner. Great for your blood. Keeps the sugar level in your blood down. Side affects were extremely rare. I now use it on my breakfast cereal and take a capsule after other meals. My blood sugar level has now dropped to OK from low high.

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I would say the honey on the night bazaar road is honest honey. They have several different kinds there. I had a small bottle that lasted me a month. I had been told that mixing a table spoon with a table spoon of cinnamon would help with joint pains. I am diabetic so I looked it up on the internet. There is over 1,000 different kinds of honey in the world and they can have different properties the best for all around medical reasons was one from New Zealand. It apparently makes a big difference where the Bee's get the pollen from.

I noticed you mentioned some having sugar added to them. Not on the Night bazaar road. But a couple of articles said it had more of the bad glucose in it than regular sugar. Who really knows you can find most any thing you want to believe on the internet.

The bit about using it when you are diabetic went from no good for you to it can help you. I gave it up as my joints still hurt me. The Cinnamon was a hands down winner. Great for your blood. Keeps the sugar level in your blood down. Side affects were extremely rare. I now use it on my breakfast cereal and take a capsule after other meals. My blood sugar level has now dropped to OK from low high.

I noticed you mentioned some having sugar added to them. Not on the Night bazaar road.

Not having a go at you at all, but i'm seriously into this, wanting only pure honey...but how do you know that is actual fact? There appears to be no easy way to tell.

The NZ honey you mention is Manuka Honey..known for its better than your average honey in medicinal uses and benefits.

Has a points system..1-10 i think and the higher the points the better.....also much higher cost, but thats life.

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I would say the honey on the night bazaar road is honest honey. They have several different kinds there. I had a small bottle that lasted me a month. I had been told that mixing a table spoon with a table spoon of cinnamon would help with joint pains. I am diabetic so I looked it up on the internet. There is over 1,000 different kinds of honey in the world and they can have different properties the best for all around medical reasons was one from New Zealand. It apparently makes a big difference where the Bee's get the pollen from.

I noticed you mentioned some having sugar added to them. Not on the Night bazaar road. But a couple of articles said it had more of the bad glucose in it than regular sugar. Who really knows you can find most any thing you want to believe on the internet.

The bit about using it when you are diabetic went from no good for you to it can help you. I gave it up as my joints still hurt me. The Cinnamon was a hands down winner. Great for your blood. Keeps the sugar level in your blood down. Side affects were extremely rare. I now use it on my breakfast cereal and take a capsule after other meals. My blood sugar level has now dropped to OK from low high.

I noticed you mentioned some having sugar added to them. Not on the Night bazaar road.

Not having a go at you at all, but i'm seriously into this, wanting only pure honey...but how do you know that is actual fact? There appears to be no easy way to tell.

The NZ honey you mention is Manuka Honey..known for its better than your average honey in medicinal uses and benefits.

Has a points system..1-10 i think and the higher the points the better.....also much higher cost, but thats life.

You are right I have no way of knowing for sure. It is just that I have never heard any one else doubt there purity and I was only talking about the honey shop in The Night Bazaar. I had bought there before for the wife in her coffee.

There is a farmers market Friday morning behind the Kalare food court. You can also access it through the Porn Ping I had bought a bottle of honey there and I am sure it was sugar sweetened. It poured almost as easy as milk. I gave the bottle away.

A little curious as to why so much insistence on pure honey when there is so many different types of them? You do realize they will all not have the same affect on you or taste the same. Was there a particular reason for your search for honey. As I said I found a couple of articles claimiong it wass worse for you than sugar. But on the internet all things are possible.

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I would say the honey on the night bazaar road is honest honey. They have several different kinds there. I had a small bottle that lasted me a month. I had been told that mixing a table spoon with a table spoon of cinnamon would help with joint pains. I am diabetic so I looked it up on the internet. There is over 1,000 different kinds of honey in the world and they can have different properties the best for all around medical reasons was one from New Zealand. It apparently makes a big difference where the Bee's get the pollen from.

I noticed you mentioned some having sugar added to them. Not on the Night bazaar road. But a couple of articles said it had more of the bad glucose in it than regular sugar. Who really knows you can find most any thing you want to believe on the internet.

The bit about using it when you are diabetic went from no good for you to it can help you. I gave it up as my joints still hurt me. The Cinnamon was a hands down winner. Great for your blood. Keeps the sugar level in your blood down. Side affects were extremely rare. I now use it on my breakfast cereal and take a capsule after other meals. My blood sugar level has now dropped to OK from low high.

I noticed you mentioned some having sugar added to them. Not on the Night bazaar road.

Not having a go at you at all, but i'm seriously into this, wanting only pure honey...but how do you know that is actual fact? There appears to be no easy way to tell.

The NZ honey you mention is Manuka Honey..known for its better than your average honey in medicinal uses and benefits.

Has a points system..1-10 i think and the higher the points the better.....also much higher cost, but thats life.

You are right I have no way of knowing for sure. It is just that I have never heard any one else doubt there purity and I was only talking about the honey shop in The Night Bazaar. I had bought there before for the wife in her coffee.

There is a farmers market Friday morning behind the Kalare food court. You can also access it through the Porn Ping I had bought a bottle of honey there and I am sure it was sugar sweetened. It poured almost as easy as milk. I gave the bottle away.

A little curious as to why so much insistence on pure honey when there is so many different types of them? You do realize they will all not have the same affect on you or taste the same. Was there a particular reason for your search for honey. As I said I found a couple of articles claimiong it wass worse for you than sugar. But on the internet all things are possible.

"A little curious as to why so much insistence on pure honey when there is so many different types of them"

Yes there are many,many varieties of honey, but what's curious about wanting each and every one of those varieties to be 100% pure honey..if i want to eat palm sugar and water i would, but i don't want to ..i want honey ..a natural product produced by bees from nectar from flowers as it has been/should have been for thousands of years..Nectar becomes honey...end of story!!

I've been eating a lot of honey [bit of a honey addict actually] for more than 50 years now...yes ,thank you,i do realise the taste is not the same..come on...really?

Every area, every flower type gives a different taste,one of the reasons i love the stuff so much...so much variety and one of the better foods to ingest frequently [iMO]

I honestly thought that i was buying and eating pure honey only [and up till fairly recently probably was] and only after reading on TV and googling i am finding out the deception that is occurring re; honey....and as i said, i'm really pissed off about it.

This deception is now world wide not just Thailand...

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I know some beekeepers around here and I buy from them. Sometimes I buy it still in the comb rather than after it goes through the extractor.

There is a world of difference between raw honey and pasteurized, filtered honey even if it's "real."

Raw honey is a very healthy food.

"The differences between raw and pasteurized honey are substantial. Raw honey is an alkaline-forming food that contains natural vitamins, enzymes, powerful antioxidants and other important natural nutrients. These are the very nutrients that are destroyed during the heating and pasteurization process. In fact, pasteurized honey is equivalent to and just as unhealthy as eating refined sugar.

Raw honey has anti-viral, anti-bacterial, and anti-fungal properties. It promotes body and digestive health, is a powerful antioxidant, strengthens the immune system, eliminates allergies, and is an excellent remedy for skin wounds and all types of infections. Raw honey’s benefits don’t stop there. Raw honey can also stabilize blood pressure, balance sugar levels, relieve pain, calm nerves, and it has been used to treat ulcers. Raw honey is also an expectorant and anti-inflammatory and has been known to effectively treat respiratory conditions such as bronchitis and asthma."
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Did he mention that filtering honey removes the pollen which is very healthy?

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In Chiang Mai there is a street that leads off the Nhong -hoi market which has four or five shops selling honey, They have bee hives at the back of the shop and the whole thing seems authentic.The woman who served me had a bee sting on her arm so I suppose this is a good sign. Not for her,but for us.

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One way to easily check the general quality/purity of honey is to simply turn the clear glass bottle upside down and watch the air bubble rise again to the top. It should move slowly upward. If sugar water was added to the honey the air bubble will rise quicker. It is interesting to compare the viscosity of honey from vendor to vendor. If enough buyers did this the sellers would be hesitant to thin their honey.

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One way to easily check the general quality/purity of honey is to simply turn the clear glass bottle upside down and watch the air bubble rise again to the top. It should move slowly upward. If sugar water was added to the honey the air bubble will rise quicker. It is interesting to compare the viscosity of honey from vendor to vendor. If enough buyers did this the sellers would be hesitant to thin their honey.

...Ken

OK ....but surely the temperature on the day will have a huge influence on the viscosity..IMO not at all a reliable indicator of purity of honey ....just my take on it..wai2.gif

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One way to easily check the general quality/purity of honey is to simply turn the clear glass bottle upside down and watch the air bubble rise again to the top. It should move slowly upward. If sugar water was added to the honey the air bubble will rise quicker. It is interesting to compare the viscosity of honey from vendor to vendor. If enough buyers did this the sellers would be hesitant to thin their honey.

...Ken

This is from Wikipedia

"The viscosity of honey is affected greatly by both temperature and water content. The higher the humidity, the easier honey will flow. Above its melting point, however, water has little effect on viscosity. Aside from water content, the composition of honey also has little effect on viscosity, with the exception of a few types. At 25 °C (77 °F), honey with 14% humidity will generally have a viscosity of around 400 poise, while a honey containing 20% humidity will have a viscosity of around 20 poise. Viscosity increase due to temperature occurs very slowly at first. A honey containing 16% humidity, at 70 °C (158 °F), will have a viscosity of around 2 poise, while at 30 °C (86 °F), the viscosity will be around 70 poise. As cooling progresses, honey will become more viscous at an increasingly rapid rate, reaching 600 poise around 14 °C (57 °F). However, while honey is very viscous, it has rather low surface tension.[16][17]

A few types of honey have unusual viscous properties. Honey from heather or manuka display thixotropic properties. These types of honey enter a gel-like state when motionless, but then liquify when stirred.[18]"

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One way to easily check the general quality/purity of honey is to simply turn the clear glass bottle upside down and watch the air bubble rise again to the top. It should move slowly upward. If sugar water was added to the honey the air bubble will rise quicker. It is interesting to compare the viscosity of honey from vendor to vendor. If enough buyers did this the sellers would be hesitant to thin their honey.

...Ken

This is from Wikipedia

"The viscosity of honey is affected greatly by both temperature and water content. The higher the humidity, the easier honey will flow. Above its melting point, however, water has little effect on viscosity. Aside from water content, the composition of honey also has little effect on viscosity, with the exception of a few types. At 25 °C (77 °F), honey with 14% humidity will generally have a viscosity of around 400 poise, while a honey containing 20% humidity will have a viscosity of around 20 poise. Viscosity increase due to temperature occurs very slowly at first. A honey containing 16% humidity, at 70 °C (158 °F), will have a viscosity of around 2 poise, while at 30 °C (86 °F), the viscosity will be around 70 poise. As cooling progresses, honey will become more viscous at an increasingly rapid rate, reaching 600 poise around 14 °C (57 °F). However, while honey is very viscous, it has rather low surface tension.[16][17]

A few types of honey have unusual viscous properties. Honey from heather or manuka display thixotropic properties. These types of honey enter a gel-like state when motionless, but then liquify when stirred.[18]"

Good ,that puts that theory to rest...as i thought...

Do you use honey in your shop, if so do ,you know if it is pure, unadulterated honey, and more importantly if you answer yes to all..where do you get it please? wai.gif

I compare buying honey and getting sugar syrup, with buying butter and getting margarine...yuk!!

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I know some beekeepers around here and I buy from them. Sometimes I buy it still in the comb rather than after it goes through the extractor.

There is a world of difference between raw honey and pasteurized, filtered honey even if it's "real."

Raw honey is a very healthy food.

"The differences between raw and pasteurized honey are substantial. Raw honey is an alkaline-forming food that contains natural vitamins, enzymes, powerful antioxidants and other important natural nutrients. These are the very nutrients that are destroyed during the heating and pasteurization process. In fact, pasteurized honey is equivalent to and just as unhealthy as eating refined sugar.

Raw honey has anti-viral, anti-bacterial, and anti-fungal properties. It promotes body and digestive health, is a powerful antioxidant, strengthens the immune system, eliminates allergies, and is an excellent remedy for skin wounds and all types of infections. Raw honey’s benefits don’t stop there. Raw honey can also stabilize blood pressure, balance sugar levels, relieve pain, calm nerves, and it has been used to treat ulcers. Raw honey is also an expectorant and anti-inflammatory and has been known to effectively treat respiratory conditions such as bronchitis and asthma." LINK

Did he mention that filtering honey removes the pollen which is very healthy?

Thank you for the information. I had never considered the difference in honey between being in the comb and processed. I did not take that into account when I was searching for the benefits of honey.

Why do they Pasteurize it if it is so good for you in it's natural state? To me it makes no difference because I choose not to continue using it but to a honey addict I would think it would make a big difference. I continue using cinnamon and it has stabilized my blood sugar level but I would not mind giving raw honey a go.

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ok, so thanks for all your input so far but i've made up my mind to bring my own honey from the uk for this trip, made by my local bees by a local woman i personally know, think judging by all the info so far this is my best option thumbsup.gif.pagespeed.ce.dtxKiAJ9C7.gif it was never about the taste for me but the health giving properties of raw unadulterated honey, and by the sounds of it i'm highly unlikely to get it in chiang mai, but thanks all for highlighting the pitfalls of finding 100% honey……knowledge is power wai.gif

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ok, so thanks for all your input so far but i've made up my mind to bring my own honey from the uk for this trip, made by my local bees by a local woman i personally know, think judging by all the info so far this is my best option thumbsup.gif.pagespeed.ce.dtxKiAJ9C7.gif it was never about the taste for me but the health giving properties of raw unadulterated honey, and by the sounds of it i'm highly unlikely to get it in chiang mai, but thanks all for highlighting the pitfalls of finding 100% honey……knowledge is power wai.gif

I don't see the problem in recognizing raw pure unadulterated honey if it is still in the comb. From what I have read here it is adulterated by just pasteurizing it. Why would you want to bring adulterated honey here to Chiang Mai when you can buy it here?

Several posters mentioned buying it here.

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ok, so thanks for all your input so far but i've made up my mind to bring my own honey from the uk for this trip, made by my local bees by a local woman i personally know, think judging by all the info so far this is my best option thumbsup.gif.pagespeed.ce.dtxKiAJ9C7.gif it was never about the taste for me but the health giving properties of raw unadulterated honey, and by the sounds of it i'm highly unlikely to get it in chiang mai, but thanks all for highlighting the pitfalls of finding 100% honey……knowledge is power wai.gif

I don't see the problem in recognizing raw pure unadulterated honey if it is still in the comb. From what I have read here it is adulterated by just pasteurizing it. Why would you want to bring adulterated honey here to Chiang Mai when you can buy it here?

Several posters mentioned buying it here.

you have seen the lengths people go to to make 'honey' look and taste like honey, why wouldn't they simple pour the made up stuff onto honey comb? unless you know people who keep bees you just don't know i thailand, nothing surprised me here anymore wai.gif

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ok, so thanks for all your input so far but i've made up my mind to bring my own honey from the uk for this trip, made by my local bees by a local woman i personally know, think judging by all the info so far this is my best option thumbsup.gif.pagespeed.ce.dtxKiAJ9C7.gif it was never about the taste for me but the health giving properties of raw unadulterated honey, and by the sounds of it i'm highly unlikely to get it in chiang mai, but thanks all for highlighting the pitfalls of finding 100% honey……knowledge is power wai.gif

I don't see the problem in recognizing raw pure unadulterated honey if it is still in the comb. From what I have read here it is adulterated by just pasteurizing it. Why would you want to bring adulterated honey here to Chiang Mai when you can buy it here?

Several posters mentioned buying it here.

you have seen the lengths people go to to make 'honey' look and taste like honey, why wouldn't they simple pour the made up stuff onto honey comb? unless you know people who keep bees you just don't know i thailand, nothing surprised me here anymore wai.gif

why wouldn't they simple pour the made up stuff onto honey comb

Right..saw post on that somewhere...it is done..bah.gif

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ok, so thanks for all your input so far but i've made up my mind to bring my own honey from the uk for this trip, made by my local bees by a local woman i personally know, think judging by all the info so far this is my best option thumbsup.gif.pagespeed.ce.dtxKiAJ9C7.gif it was never about the taste for me but the health giving properties of raw unadulterated honey, and by the sounds of it i'm highly unlikely to get it in chiang mai, but thanks all for highlighting the pitfalls of finding 100% honey……knowledge is power wai.gif

I don't see the problem in recognizing raw pure unadulterated honey if it is still in the comb. From what I have read here it is adulterated by just pasteurizing it. Why would you want to bring adulterated honey here to Chiang Mai when you can buy it here?

Several posters mentioned buying it here.

Yes...agree, and i ,myself,will cop pasteurised honey...you do lose a little of the benefits of raw honey, but at least it is still pure honey

The clowns that are adding syrups and sugars to honey to just extend the volume are not selling pure honey.bah.gif

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ok, so thanks for all your input so far but i've made up my mind to bring my own honey from the uk for this trip, made by my local bees by a local woman i personally know, think judging by all the info so far this is my best option thumbsup.gif.pagespeed.ce.dtxKiAJ9C7.gif it was never about the taste for me but the health giving properties of raw unadulterated honey, and by the sounds of it i'm highly unlikely to get it in chiang mai, but thanks all for highlighting the pitfalls of finding 100% honey……knowledge is power wai.gif

I don't see the problem in recognizing raw pure unadulterated honey if it is still in the comb. From what I have read here it is adulterated by just pasteurizing it. Why would you want to bring adulterated honey here to Chiang Mai when you can buy it here?

Several posters mentioned buying it here.

Yes...agree, and i ,myself,will cop pasteurised honey...you do lose a little of the benefits of raw honey, but at least it is still pure honey

The clowns that are adding syrups and sugars to honey to just extend the volume are not selling pure honey.bah.gif

Well I tried but I just couldn't resist it. So here it is.

What you say is true.

Another great truth here on TV is the people buying all the baloney here are not buying pure baloney.giggle.gif

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I would say the honey on the night bazaar road is honest honey. They have several different kinds there. I had a small bottle that lasted me a month. I had been told that mixing a table spoon with a table spoon of cinnamon would help with joint pains. I am diabetic so I looked it up on the internet. There is over 1,000 different kinds of honey in the world and they can have different properties the best for all around medical reasons was one from New Zealand. It apparently makes a big difference where the Bee's get the pollen from.

I noticed you mentioned some having sugar added to them. Not on the Night bazaar road. But a couple of articles said it had more of the bad glucose in it than regular sugar. Who really knows you can find most any thing you want to believe on the internet.

The bit about using it when you are diabetic went from no good for you to it can help you. I gave it up as my joints still hurt me. The Cinnamon was a hands down winner. Great for your blood. Keeps the sugar level in your blood down. Side affects were extremely rare. I now use it on my breakfast cereal and take a capsule after other meals. My blood sugar level has now dropped to OK from low high.

I noticed you mentioned some having sugar added to them. Not on the Night bazaar road.

Not having a go at you at all, but i'm seriously into this, wanting only pure honey...but how do you know that is actual fact? There appears to be no easy way to tell.

The NZ honey you mention is Manuka Honey..known for its better than your average honey in medicinal uses and benefits.

Has a points system..1-10 i think and the higher the points the better.....also much higher cost, but thats life.

You are right I have no way of knowing for sure. It is just that I have never heard any one else doubt there purity and I was only talking about the honey shop in The Night Bazaar. I had bought there before for the wife in her coffee.

There is a farmers market Friday morning behind the Kalare food court. You can also access it through the Porn Ping I had bought a bottle of honey there and I am sure it was sugar sweetened. It poured almost as easy as milk. I gave the bottle away.

A little curious as to why so much insistence on pure honey when there is so many different types of them? You do realize they will all not have the same affect on you or taste the same. Was there a particular reason for your search for honey. As I said I found a couple of articles claimiong it wass worse for you than sugar. But on the internet all things are possible.

"A little curious as to why so much insistence on pure honey when there is so many different types of them"

Yes there are many,many varieties of honey, but what's curious about wanting each and every one of those varieties to be 100% pure honey..if i want to eat palm sugar and water i would, but i don't want to ..i want honey ..a natural product produced by bees from nectar from flowers as it has been/should have been for thousands of years..Nectar becomes honey...end of story!!

I've been eating a lot of honey [bit of a honey addict actually] for more than 50 years now...yes ,thank you,i do realise the taste is not the same..come on...really?

Every area, every flower type gives a different taste,one of the reasons i love the stuff so much...so much variety and one of the better foods to ingest frequently [iMO]

I honestly thought that i was buying and eating pure honey only [and up till fairly recently probably was] and only after reading on TV and googling i am finding out the deception that is occurring re; honey....and as i said, i'm really pissed off about it.

This deception is now world wide not just Thailand...

Totally. It is an amazing substance. Amazing flavours. We all have a craving for sweet things from the day we are born - but honey hits the button every time. you can taste the sugar syrups they add. Honey never goes off. I've seen manuka +15 and i think ultra rate is +20, for hospital grade. It's made in the stomach of the bee - and is what it is. nectar. 5million flowers per 1kg. now that's cool.

I hate buying cut honey. Bored of petty pinching. Increase the price if demand goes up, but don't water the product down. krab. Stupid and a waste.

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