To Protect And To Serve

[Sing_Sling]

A colleague and I took a taxi to go to a meeting near Lat Prao yesterday, nice young man on his first week having 'graduated' from tuk-tuk to taxi.

We went up an on-ramp to the highway, and it was simply at a standstill, so the enterprising driver took the next off-ramp and we went along sidestreets until we reached another up-ramp which was almost empty.

Nice work!

Just before the toll-booth a cop stops us, reflector sunnies and mask, and proceeds to arrogantly tell this guy off, completely intimidating the driver and then hands him a ticket for b500. This guy is destroyed, close to tears.

My Thai companion asks the copy why he has given the driver a ticket - the snotty answer was that there was a sign saying 'no entry' at this time. All the while cars are zooming past uo the ramp. My friend asks if he can get out of the taxi to see the sign - to which the cop gets shirty and asks him who the hel_l he thinks he is - upon which my business partner shows him his military ID, which denotes him as an Air Force Colonel.

The cop apologises and asks the cabbie to be on his way . . .

Why, oh why do the defenseless always get taken advantage of by corrupt bastards with a modicum of power?

It helps that my main investor and friend is an Army Brigadier for us to get our permits and the like, but actions like this cops are simply bullying at its worst.

Rant over.

Anyone else have lovely cop stories?

[slackula]

A colleague and I took a taxi to go to a meeting near Lat Prao yesterday, nice young man on his first week having 'graduated' from tuk-tuk to taxi.

We went up an on-ramp to the highway, and it was simply at a standstill, so the enterprising driver took the next off-ramp and we went along sidestreets until we reached another up-ramp which was almost empty.

Nice work!

Just before the toll-booth a cop stops us, reflector sunnies and mask, and proceeds to arrogantly tell this guy off, completely intimidating the driver and then hands him a ticket for b500. This guy is destroyed, close to tears.

My Thai companion asks the copy why he has given the driver a ticket - the snotty answer was that there was a sign saying 'no entry' at this time. All the while cars are zooming past uo the ramp. My friend asks if he can get out of the taxi to see the sign - to which the cop gets shirty and asks him who the hel_l he thinks he is - upon which my business partner shows him his military ID, which denotes him as an Air Force Colonel.

The cop apologises and asks the cabbie to be on his way . . .

Why, oh why do the defenseless always get taken advantage of by corrupt bastards with a modicum of power?

It helps that my main investor and friend is an Army Brigadier for us to get our permits and the like, but actions like this cops are simply bullying at its worst.

Rant over.

Anyone else have lovely cop stories?

I am sorry but your companion pulling a military ID card and using that to intimidate the cop is the same as the cop intimidating the driver imho.

I have a couple of stories where the MIB have been absolutely stellar in helping me out when I was wronged.

You say:

It helps that my main investor and friend is an Army Brigadier for us to get our permits and the like

If that is true then are you not making use of the exact same system of abuse of authority or influence that you are complaining about?

[Sing_Sling]

Well, to a certain extent you are correct, which is why I highlighted that point - it would have been easy to leave that detail out.

One difference is, of course, that my colleague did not extort money from anyone and actually stopped the cop from abusing the driver. Difference number one.

My colleague did nothing illegal or immoral and did not act out of self-interest. Difference number two.

My colleaguer righted a wrong. Difference number three.

Likewise my investor helping to push through permits is not causing anyone harm, to my knowledge. I disagree with this method of doing business, but there is nothing I can do about it. Difference number four.

Passive versus active, perhaps?

[Donz]

All cops are pricks, Ive had no experiences in Thailand YET but in OZ.

But once i was let off for drink driving which was good, but they have never helped me.

Ive even been pushed by a cop and he told me to walk in a direction that I had no intention of going, i said im waiting for a friend and he goes i dont give a #%#% just walk that way....

I got a few more but thats the most arrogant cop ive even dealt with.

[bkkmadness]

My colleaguer righted a wrong.

But did he right a wrong? If the no entry sign was there and the taxi driver broke the law then he was correct to be fined. Could it be your air force colonel friend used his power to bully the cop into not doing his job and let the crime go unpunished.

My colleague did nothing illegal or immoral and did not act out of self-interest.

He didn't pervert the course of justice? Didn't use his official power in a way that pleased him personally? Didn't gain 'face' in front of you, his business associate who is now in awe of his great power?

Edited May 4, 2006 by bkkmadness

[skippybangkok]

Keep a "get out of jail card for free" with you at all times

I never use it, unless really really bad ( only 1x in 11 years ). Had a good local buddy, who's best buddy was.....well in the top x of cop ranks. Comment was, call him if you ever need to and tell him your my friend....

Well, driving down Suriwongse one night near da new road, and cop stops me for "driving thru a red light" when it was perfectly green. Asked me to come to his cubicle. Upon entry he said in front of his collegue in good english " You give me 1000 baht " in a very very agressive tone trying to scare me. My exact reply was " you go to hel_l ". He started to threaten me with all the things he could do ( fines, jail etc ). Told him, sure.... and then we can call this guy and ask him to come down and discuss this issue. ( trump card ).

Looks at the card, and says " you dont know this guy, where you get this card". Told him non of his god damed business, and i ordered him to start writing the fine ( his first threat ). He spoke to is collegue in thai saying " he is bluffing, he does not know him", and turned once again and asked where i know this guy from. ... Well, raised my voice and told him to write the god damed fine now, and proceeded to start pressing numbers on my phone....... he panicked and started holding my arm, visably shaking, and asking if we could be friends...... He lost alot of face infront of his cop friend, and I hope he will think twice about being so agressive.

Met some nice cops too who stopped me ( for something i did wrong ). He looked kind, and asked me where I came from, I told him I am Laotian. He laughed, and said , well, you should know some Lao words then. My vocab is about 3 catch phrases regarding food which i used and he got a good laugh out of it. He finished with " well, Lao people are allowed to go, but need to promise me not to do it again " ( and I think I kinda kept that promise. )

After 11 years, only paid the traffic offence extortion fee once cause i was in a rush. Generally always stick by the policy of " either give me a fine, or give me my licence back". The will try all kinds of bluffs, but 9 time out of 10 you get your licence back with a grumbling cop.

On another note, even though it goes against the grain, I tend to think these days it might not be bad to give the man on the street some tid bits. From what I hear, they have to buy their own guns , bullets, and almost everything.

[slackula]

My colleague did nothing illegal or immoral and did not act out of self-interest. Difference number two.

That is an interesting point: from what you wrote your colleague used his military ID card to influence the cop's decision: that is acting in self-interest. In a democracy that is not under martial law it might be considered illegal for military personnel to usurp the role of the police and it is certainly immoral to use an ID card to over-rule a traffic stop imho.

My colleaguer righted a wrong. Difference number three.

Two wrongs do not make a right in my humble opinion. Your friend in the taxi abused his authority to escape a traffic violation. He did not right a wrong, he compounded an endemic problem

Likewise my investor helping to push through permits is not causing anyone harm, to my knowledge. I disagree with this method of doing business, but there is nothing I can do about it. Difference number four.

If you disagree with "this method of doing business" then why are you doing it and complaining about other equally odious practices?

If you want to be altruistic then all power to you but when you work the system if it suits and complain when it doesn't then your arguments do not hold water.

[Sing_Sling]

I guess the differentiation I make is based on the fact that there was no sign and the cop was just trying to hustle money from the cabbie - and I do believe that my friend was correct in not allowing this to happen.

Is it unethical to use one's power to stop an injustice? Not in my opinion.

Slackula, I don't think I've ever described myself as being overly altruistic - I didnt know the partner's background. Is this morally right? Absolutely not.

I am not complaining when it does't suit me as I would not have had to pay the fine, I was merely outlining an occurence in which the typical Thai in uniform disadain for those weaker in society is highlighted.

There was alos no need for my colleague to play the big man - he was educated in the UK and has a different view on life than the average Thai in influential positions.

It does remind me of the Tinting episode where he is in South America and is taken up in an army where there are 5000 colonels and 50 privates.

[Neeranam]

Looks at the card, and says " you dont know this guy, where you get this card".

When I do that the coppers always actually call the guy.

[Sing_Sling]

Met some nice cops too who stopped me ( for something i did wrong ). He looked kind, and asked me where I came from, I told him I am Laotian. He laughed, and said , well, you should know some Lao words then. My vocab is about 3 catch phrases regarding food which i used and he got a good laugh out of it. He finished with " well, Lao people are allowed to go, but need to promise me not to do it again " ( and I think I kinda kept that promise. )

Nice story.

[barryofthailand]

Last Monday in a rental car a motor bike with a monk on the back ran into me when I stopped for traffic in Surin. My wife told the driver he was wrong and asked him what he wanted to do. The driver said he was going to leave as he did. My wife called the police. The Surin Police asked us to come to the police station as they were short handed due to the holiday. when we arrived at the police station we were shown into the assistant police chiefs office. He was very nice although I got the impression that he did not like foreignors, as I wayed him with nothing returned. He called the registration dept obtained the name and address of the offender and called the police at the Amphur where the offender lived. 100 kilometers from where we were. He explained that the police would deliver a letter to his home for him to come to the Surin police dept. tomorrow morning. while my wife was signing something at another desk he asked me if she was my darling refering that she might be my girl freind. I told him she was my wife and the little boy was my son. We left, and the next morning I asked my wife to call him for any new developments and to get a copy of the police report for the rental car agency. He said to come to the station. While driving to the station he called my wife back and asked our location. He said the offender had arrived. Again he was very nice although he did not acknowledge me, only spoke with my wife. He then called the offender in, asked him why he left. He said the Monk was injured and had to have 5 stiches. He said his mother had borrowed 3000 baht to pay for the damage and asked if that would be acceptable. The asst police chief than turned to me and stated that I had more money than the offender and I should take care of the damages. I told him that he also had more money than the offender, and does he want to take care of the damages. The offender than handed over the 3000 baht. The police said that someone would have to pay the 500 baht fine. Since the offender had no more money my wife offered to pay. At that point the asst police chief acknowledged me with a solute.

Barry

[skippybangkok]

Maybe to put things in a better perspective, even though the stats are not perfect, this has been my experience.

- Maybe 5% - 10% are pretty straight.

- A large majority are not " bad asses " , but do hunt for some tid bits. ( i.e. 90% ). As I said, for the cop on the street, very often they have to fend for them selves ( buy their own walkie talkie, gun, bullets). Its clear that they pick on the size of the car ( smaller ones they are less scared of )

- An then you get the real bad asses. I have only met 2, one as described above, and another who used to sit on the by-pass road from pattaya-chonburi with deep achne scars. ( anyone know him ? - about 45, bit of a bulldog type. Speaks english, actually knew you cant use a foreign licence in thailand, told me i will have to go to the chon bur police station with him (20 km away) to sort this large infringement. He repeated 5x, and I answered 5 x " sure, lets go " - he gave up with a bitch about falangs in his country. My bet was that wasting time with a falang in his station for which he would not get one dime was a far less attractive proposition as stoping 1 car per minute and getting 100 - 200 baht per car. ) . This guy has stopped me on 2 occaisions in the same spot with the same results. A good trick on this guys is to phsyco him - since he speaks english, every word he says, you just say " huh" and ask him to repeat as you dont understand.....kept this up thru the whole conversation which obviously got him worked up. ( was fun ! )

U used to drive alooooooooot for work, and besides the 2, its generally managable.

[samran]

Look there are a lot of bad apple cops. But many many others are forced into a situation where they have to take the bribes. It works like this.

Traffice policeman plod has a target of X Baht which he must send up to his boss each month. The traffic copper you see gets to keep very little of what he takes. It gets passed up to his superior, who takes a very small cut and then passes it up to the bigger bosses who take progressively bigger cuts.

The reason is that promotions in the police force, and the civil service more genrerally (at higher levels) are not soley based on preformance. To get the promotion you actually have to pay for the position you are being promoted into. You pay the person you are about to replace. Once promoted, you spend the rest of the time re-couping your investments, by way of bribes etc etc.

It is a sad situation but the incentives are created in such a way that the bad behaviour results from it.

I've actually never had to many problems with the cops myself. I've only ever been pulled over when I am in the wrong. I'll say tothe cop to give me a fine and sit there smiling (slightly stupidly) waiting for one. They eventually do one of two things: either let me off (which is what they tend to do - fines involved paper work). Or they give me the fine, which I go pay down the cop shop.

Ive also had great cops helping a bunch of farang mates out. Siting out at a street seafood restuarant in China Town, a chinese storeowner all of a sudden took exception to a bunch of farangs sitting on the street in front of her shop. She called the cops who after some explaination from me and the food vendor who always sells there, told the Chinese lady to go take a hike.

The coppers profusely apologised to me and to translate to my friends, that the police want to create a good image for themselves and hope to help out when they can.

Having said that, I still carry a get out of jail free card here too. Never hope to use it, and haven't had to since we started living here in 2000.

[thai3]

In case any think the UK cops are much different a recent undercover expose on TV of my local station showed on film:

cops not taking rape seriously

driving 25 miles from where they were 'on duty' to show a WPC animal porn on a mobile

playing poker for hours at a time on night 'duty'

ignoring emergency calls

ignoring injured guy bleeding in the road

playing cricket inside the station while 'on duty'

playing hide and seek with police cars in the early hours around town

breaking up one incident into several to meet targets

no extortion towards motrists, but there would be if they paid them as low as the thai cops are.

[AlexLah]

I have also a very funny experience with Thai police.

I went to Phuket for some holiday.

Ended up in a farang owned bar.

Owner and his wife ask me to join birtday party of their friend.

We agreed on paying 200 Bath to buy some drinks and continue the party at his house.

After the bar closed we go to his house (which was upstairs) and after 10 minutes a camera team was there, undercover police and I had to sort of undress and empty my pockets as they where looking for drugs.

Then was driven to hospital to do urine check and back to police station.

Once in police station the guy apologised and everyone was free to go (he told) .

But then the big police boss came inside and sort of randomly selected urine samples for a second check and what a surprise only the foreigners had to do.

We had to pay 300 Bath for the urine check to the hospital.

Then back to the police station to wait for the results.

Back in the police station our pictures and fingerprints where taken as well as copy of ID.

In the end I was charched with a major offence, drinking in a bar after closing time as they told me I payed the owner to go to a supermarket and buy some drinks and as he was owning a bar it was considered as he continue to sell beer after closing time.

Alex

[donna]

ok...this is a bit long winded but it was a night i will always remember in bangkok.

I had been living in Thailand for about 6 months or so when Brett, a work colleague, arrived from China for a short stint of work here. Another workmate, Matt, was also here and one night we decided to head over to Patpong to buy some VCD’s (more common than DVD’s at that stage).

We had been wandering around the Patpong markets for some time, and the boys had stocked up on movies to watch while on the road working. At one stage, I was off looking at some stuff in the market stalls, when I heard Brett calling me. I wandered over to him, and the Thai lady he had been talking to gave me a disgusted look and walked off.

I asked Brett what had happened and he told me that she had asked him if he wanted to go and see a Ping Pong show. Brett wanted to know if she would be in the show. The woman told him that, no, she was not in the show but there were many pretty young things that could do amazing things with their vaginas! Brett perused the menu of the feats performed by these amazing vaginas, but declined the kind offer of seeing the show because this particular woman was not in it.

Brett also went on to say that he has a friend who could do Ping Pong Balls and that it was nothing so special. He went on to tell her that he saw it all the time and that seeing Thai girls doing it was nothing special really when he had it on tap.

That friend was me.

I had no idea what was going on, so when Brett called me to come over, I arrived to hear him say "thats her right there". The woman stormed off with a really disgusted look on her face.

We all thought it was pretty ###### funny really and I almost peed my pants laughing at what had gone on in my absence.

We decided to move on and away from the Patpong mafia and head on home. Matt and I were crossing the road when I realized that Brett was missing. Next thing, Matt had grabbed me and pointed to where Brett was being escorted across the road by the local constabulary.

Brett had been grabbed and nabbed.

Matt and I charged over to find out what was happening. The boys in brown had grabbed him and charged him with dropping a cigarette butt in the street. It seemed funny that he would be nabbed for that in a street known for its filth! But it was true.

The cops told us that the fine for this offence was 2000Baht and that he would have to pay on the spot. I told them that this amount was ridiculous and that there were people dropping cigarette butts everywhere and why didn’t they arrest THEM! After a bit of haggling, we got the fine down to 300Baht and it was all said and done.

That was until I saw a bottle of Johnny Walker sitting on the bench to the left of the cop. I asked him what he was gonna do with the bottle of whisky and I think that because I had given them 300Baht that they should give me the whisky as a fair trade. I quickly put the bottle under my t-shirt and took off down the street with it.

I surrendered the bottle when they told us that they wanted us to go and drink it with them at the local seedy karaoke bar. I asked what time we would be heading there and they told me that they closed shop at 3am! “Too late. I’m not waiting around that long” I told them. “OK, Dollar, we will close at 2am” they said. “Nup, I was on a 16 hour train journey last night and I’m tired” I explained.

The next thing I know, the shutters are being pulled down, brown shirts are being stripped off, and we are off down the road! We ended up in a really seedy little Karaoke Bar with these 6 or so policemen and lawyers. It must be noted that we lost Matt on the way, so it was just Brett, myself and these cops and their mates!

After a short amount of time, the lawyer with us, lets just call him Somchai, was apologizing to me and telling me that he is so sorry that they had to fine Brett the 300Baht for the misdemeanor. He also told me that all of the food and drink on the table will be paid for by the boys in brown and that Brett and I should eat and drink as much as we liked.

So we did.

At about 1.30am, I was getting a bit weary after the long train trip I had taken the night before. I told Brett that I wanted to go home soon, but of course Brett said “after just one more drink Donna”. Then, after that drink it was “after just one more cigarette, Donna”.

So I waited.

And then suddenly it was 3am and I’d cracked the shits and wanted to go home NOW.

Brett was getting excited because the cop had his arm around him and he was serenading him with crappy Carpenters songs. Anyway, I’d had enough by now. Brett reluctantly agreed to go home with me and we managed to convince the cops to get us a tuk-tuk back home for a reasonable price. The cop even put ON his “Police” t-shirt and came out and hailed us the tuk-tuk and negotiated the price for us!

Who would have though that the night Brett got arrested we would be treated to seafood, beer, whisky and Karaoke?

[Patex]

...Having said that, I still carry a get out of jail free card here too.

Owe a "Big police" a favour can bring you in even deeper shit than you are actual in...

I know a Bangkokian toyfish- breeder who's wife is from Mugdahan- they had to play this card recently- now they have to do monthly trips to Mugdahan and on their way back they have to collect small parcels which they get handed out at night from a small boat at the banks of the Mekong

[meemiathai]

Owe a "Big police" a favour can bring you in even deeper shit than you are actual in...

Agreed. There are no free meals.

[samran]

...Having said that, I still carry a get out of jail free card here too.

Owe a "Big police" a favour can bring you in even deeper shit than you are actual in...

I know a Bangkokian toyfish- breeder who's wife is from Mugdahan- they had to play this card recently- now they have to do monthly trips to Mugdahan and on their way back they have to collect small parcels which they get handed out at night from a small boat at the banks of the Mekong

Good advice, unless you have a get out of free card which trumps all that.

[Johpa]

Is it just me, or are there others who have never had any really bad experiences with the MIB? I mean sure, I have had to pay the road side tax once in awhile for some minor infraction, but no more than any Thai. And I am still a bit mad that they never charged the man who killed my best friend, but I personally have never had a bad experience with the local constables.

My first close encounter was not really with the MIB, but with the local Border Patrol (BP) unit, as there were no police in the area I was residing in at the time. I was invited to their neighboring local BP HQ on National Police Day (wan tamruat) and walked into a scene where there was lots of food and lots of whiskey and also the object of my desires at that time, a lovely Lahu lass, was sitting next to the company commander. Hopes dashed, I preceded to drink myself into oblivion, passed out, and was carried home by four uniformed members of the Border patrol, and gently placed upon my bed to awaken later. Somehow I must have passed some sort of bizarre test as I was thereafter warmly welcomed at every BP camp between Thaton and Chiang Rai.

A little dicier situation occurred a few years later in Chiang Mai. I went out drinking with two Thai friends, one a Khon Muang who was a small time entrepreneur and the other a Lahu teacher, along with three Burmese Shan women who brought in goods to sell at the night market. We were out drinking at the old Hennesey Club, a traditional ramwong drinking club with ridiculously loud music and lots of cute ramwong girls in bobby sox willing to be a dance partner, or simply dance in front of you like a G-rated lap dance, for a small fee. I suppose my presence in this group raised at least one eyebrow, and an undercover cop came over to chat to see what was going on, and quickly figured out that the women were not Thai, and the moment we stepped outside the MIB approached us and asked for ID. Needless to say, the women were in a bit of hot water without proper documentation, and the police tried to shake them down for some money. The problem was that the teacher, who had his government ID, would have none of it; and, to make matters worse, there was the Farang, moi, being suddenly addressed as Achaan by his drinking pals, who spoke Thai, (back when few did) and who was a bit drunk, also interfering with the attempts to shake down the lasses. For some reason Thai police feel often feel uncomfortable asking for bribe money in front of Thai speaking foreigners. I also suppose they were unsure about this fellow bureaucrat (karatchakaan) who spoke with a slight accent and who was clearly unafraid of confronting the police. So as the situation began to stall and get uncomfortable for everyone, a face saving compromise was reached where the women agreed to return the next day, which of course did not happen. Alas, by the time we got out of the police booth, actually a small shop space, it was after 4:00 AM and my romantic intentions with one of the Shan ladies and been long forgotten.

So what if there are corrupt Thai police. Corruption is endemic in Thailand: the military, the banks, the politicians, the corporations, the schools. You name it and there is corruption. But most Thai police are pretty nice guys just trying to make do. Now I know from an older thread that many here have few Thai male friends. And I warn you, making Thai male friends might involve some shared drinking of alcoholic beverages, but it is worth the effort. Bottom line is you can never have enough Thai friends and acquaintances who are policeman.

[OxfordWill]

Personal hint: buy a thai military cap, of high rank, and place it on the car dashboard. Enjoy less hassle from checkpoints.

[Totster]

Personal hint: buy a thai military cap, of high rank, and place it on the car dashboard. Enjoy less hassle from checkpoints.

Hmmmm... I can see a flaw in your ingenious plan... farang

totster

[OxfordWill]

Helps to bring your thai mate along too! And have him wear a shirt. Ok this tip is getting less and less practical by the second..

[Totster]

Helps to bring your thai mate along too! And have him wear a shirt. Ok this tip is getting less and less practical by the second..

55555555

Good plan in theory I 'spose...

totster

[p_brownstone]

Look there are a lot of bad apple cops. But many many others are forced into a situation where they have to take the bribes. It works like this.

Traffice policeman plod has a target of X Baht which he must send up to his boss each month. The traffic copper you see gets to keep very little of what he takes. It gets passed up to his superior, who takes a very small cut and then passes it up to the bigger bosses who take progressively bigger cuts.

The reason is that promotions in the police force, and the civil service more genrerally (at higher levels) are not soley based on preformance. To get the promotion you actually have to pay for the position you are being promoted into. You pay the person you are about to replace. Once promoted, you spend the rest of the time re-couping your investments, by way of bribes etc etc.

It is a sad situation but the incentives are created in such a way that the bad behaviour results from it.

This is exactly the way the system works in Thailand, and the reason I never really get upset when I am pulled over (plus my driver is a little Ahhhh .... erratic, and chances are he was in the wrong anyway).

The Police Private risking his life stopping vehicles on up-country roads has to pay a large percentage to his Sergeant who is sitting under the tree nearby (or in the air-conditioned Patrol Car), the Sergeant has to pass on a large percentage of that to the Captain who gave him the cushy job rather than making him chase real criminals and risk being shot or injured. The Captain passes on to the Inspector because the Inspector approved the Captains’ promotion ………. and so on all the way up the line.

In nearly 35 years in Thailand – and doing a lot of travel up-country etc. – I can truly say that all my contacts with the Police have been most friendly; I speak reasonably good Thai and am always affable in any such situations. Not really a false display either, I feel quite sorry for the poor bu99er who has to earn a living in this way. Even if he started out with a genuine desire to “protect and serve” – and definite moral standards about bribery and corruption – it’s quite literally impossible to move up the ladder without being suborned by the “system”.

Patrick

[English Noodles]

Personal hint: buy a thai military cap, of high rank, and place it on the car dashboard. Enjoy less hassle from checkpoints.

That was a joke right?

[OxfordWill]

Yes but I do actually know someone who does that and swears by it! I wouldn't have the cheek myself.

[LaoPo]

Personal hint: buy a thai military cap, of high rank, and place it on the car dashboard. Enjoy less hassle from checkpoints.

That was a joke right?

Yeah...and tell them you are the first Farang* General in the Thai Army.......scare the sh_t out of them

*Tell them your name is Willy Oxford; General Willy Oxford

LaoPo

[elGrande]

Why, oh why do the defenseless always get taken advantage of by corrupt bastards with a modicum of power?

It helps that my main investor and friend is an Army Brigadier for us to get our permits and the like, but actions like this cops are simply bullying at its worst.

Rant over.

Anyone else have lovely cop stories?

I guess it takes one to know one.

[OxfordWill]

*Tell them your name is Willy Oxford; General Willy Oxford

LaoPo [/color]