President Obama announces health law fix

[Publicus]

The sign up deadline of March 31 is three-plus months out, so people aren't committing yet or they're still comparing plans.

The RomneyCare medical insurance program started sparsely then had a surge of enrollment as the deadline approached.

Forty-four million visits is a lotta hits no matter how you jiggle the numbers.

The fact remains all citizens in almost every Republican Party governed state who are eligible for ObamaCare and for the expanded Medicaid program are being denied access to either or both at the state level due to Republican rulers not establishing state insurance exchanges or refusing the expanded Medicaid.

This is active Republican Party sabotage and unrelenting resistance to the ACA.

Even now, only one Republican US Senator, Ron Johnson, alone says the Republican Party has to transition into the ACA. Republican Governor John Kasich of Ohio has established an online state exchange for ObamaCare and has accepted the expanded Medicaid program.

After those two, who've you got?

Mitt Romney???

[Scott]

Off-topic post removed.

[SailingHome]

Who was it that said Americans always do the right thing (after they try everything else.) I think Obama's intent is good: make sure everyone has adequate health care. His implementation is crap, far below crap since obvious, visable before-hand problems came up, but the administration is learning, people will fight for ehat they want, and it will all even out in about 20 years.

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[NeverSure]

Buffett: Scrap Obamacare and Start All Over

By Money Morning Staff Reports

When asked, "Are you in favor of scrapping [Obamacare] and going back to start over?", famed investor Warren Buffett said on CNBC March 1, 2010, "I would be — if I were President Obama.” Buffett insisted that without changes to America's health system average citizens will suffer. "We have a health system that, in terms of costs, is really out of control," he added. "And if you take this line and you project what has been happening into the future, we will get less and less competitive. So we need something else."

Three debate-ridden years later, millions of Americans still agree. But now that the exchanges are open, Obamacare has finally kicked off.

The government program, which some economists call the biggest tax increase ever in the United States, is also one of the most hated bills in history. Ask millions of Americans what they think about the new law, and chances are they're ready to pop a jugular.

Critics heavily oppose the mandate requiring them to purchase health insurance. They're also furious at all the new taxes, fees, and higher premiums they'll be stuck paying, thanks to Obamacare.

Yet, while millions of Americans loathe every facet of The Affordable Care Act, as it's officially titled, another group of Americans see it as a once-in-a lifetime opportunity to get rich: Investors.

(emphasis mine.)

[meechai]

Would be interesting to hear how many posters supporting this

plan actually have to buy it.

[MaxYakov]

Would be interesting to hear how many posters supporting this

plan actually have to buy it.

Do you really mean 'try' to buy it?

[Jingthing]

If Buffett means scrap it and go Canadian, I'm all for it!

Edited December 14, 2013 by Jingthing

[Publicus]

Would be interesting to hear how many posters supporting this

plan actually have to buy it.

I'd though we hashed over the expat parts of the ACA fairly well.

Edited December 14, 2013 by Publicus

[VegasVic]

It's refreshing to see that the tales based in the long train of possible horrors have subsided concerning ObamaCare and that the country is now focused on the realities of what ObamaCare does or doesn't do based in the reality it is a medical insurance program rooted in the private sector.

Urban legends and instant mythologies, the opposite of reality, that have been proliferated against ObamaCare are giving way to the central inquiries concerning what exactly and precisely ObamaCare is in respect to my health and medical insurance needs and preferences, each of us.

For instance, I'd been unsure how the ACA might impact me and my long standing medical insurance program. Now I know it does not impact me at all, that my long relationship with my medical insurer will continue because the insurer not only meets the standards of the ACA, it exceeds the standards, but without being anything remotely near a cadillac program.

Although I'm certainly in the company of a vast majority of others in this respect, I'm talking about myself and myself only

The two links below present, for anyone interested, some urban legends and instant mythologies against ObamaCare. The myths are corrected, the urban legends are shot down. The links together expose mythmaking and also discuss the nature of tall tale telling.

The psychology of such blown-up 'horrors' and mythmaking is well known, as indicated by the following quote from one of the two links:

It's a lack of information coupled with these fears that tends to give rise to new legends. When demand exceeds supply, people will fill in the gaps with their own information … they'll just make it up.

The ACA is undergoing changes, modifications, time extensions, as always has been the case when major new legislation comes online. There are glitches so the glitches are being addressed.

Republican Party sabotage continues however, both in Washington and among Republican governors and by certain state legislatures controlled by the Republican Party in certain populous states. Almost every Republican Party governor also has repugnantly deprived their general population access to the highly successful expanded Medicare provisions of the ACA.

Despite this spiteful opposition that adversely deprives citizens in these states, we can say mission accomplished concerning the ObamaCare website.

So presently and for the next several months, Americans will be finding out the facts and the realities of ObamaCare and will be making choices and decisions in respect to their real medical insurance needs and preferences.

Remember all those Obamacare horror stories?

Not looking so bad now

Inflammatory personal testimony has been a staple of bad debating since humans first started arguing with each other

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/04/obamacare-horror-stories-debunked

Urban Legends: How They Start and Why They Persist

http://www.livescience.com/7107-urban-legends-start-persist.html

"It's refreshing to see.......that the country is now focused on what obamacare does or does not do" It is indeed refreshing to get down to the bottom line and get the political partisanship out of this discussion! Now on to what obamacare does- obamacare raises the premiums and massivly increases the deductibles for most working Americans, obamacare also kicks many millions (perhaps in the tens of millions before the dust settles) of hard working Americans off their existing policies despite promises from the the "empty suit" in the White House that if you like your policy you can keep it, also obamacare takes many GP physicians and specialists away from millions of Americans despite promises that if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor period! Obamacare also brings millions more into medicaid thereby stressing and already flawed, fraud ridden and bankrupted system to the limit I could go on for days with the flaws in this 2007 page partisan legislative boondoggle, but I really don't need to since obamacare will fail on its own merits (or lack there of!)

[Publicus]

It's refreshing to see that the tales based in the long train of possible horrors have subsided concerning ObamaCare and that the country is now focused on the realities of what ObamaCare does or doesn't do based in the reality it is a medical insurance program rooted in the private sector.

Urban legends and instant mythologies, the opposite of reality, that have been proliferated against ObamaCare are giving way to the central inquiries concerning what exactly and precisely ObamaCare is in respect to my health and medical insurance needs and preferences, each of us.

For instance, I'd been unsure how the ACA might impact me and my long standing medical insurance program. Now I know it does not impact me at all, that my long relationship with my medical insurer will continue because the insurer not only meets the standards of the ACA, it exceeds the standards, but without being anything remotely near a cadillac program.

Although I'm certainly in the company of a vast majority of others in this respect, I'm talking about myself and myself only

The two links below present, for anyone interested, some urban legends and instant mythologies against ObamaCare. The myths are corrected, the urban legends are shot down. The links together expose mythmaking and also discuss the nature of tall tale telling.

The psychology of such blown-up 'horrors' and mythmaking is well known, as indicated by the following quote from one of the two links:

It's a lack of information coupled with these fears that tends to give rise to new legends. When demand exceeds supply, people will fill in the gaps with their own information … they'll just make it up.

The ACA is undergoing changes, modifications, time extensions, as always has been the case when major new legislation comes online. There are glitches so the glitches are being addressed.

Republican Party sabotage continues however, both in Washington and among Republican governors and by certain state legislatures controlled by the Republican Party in certain populous states. Almost every Republican Party governor also has repugnantly deprived their general population access to the highly successful expanded Medicare provisions of the ACA.

Despite this spiteful opposition that adversely deprives citizens in these states, we can say mission accomplished concerning the ObamaCare website.

So presently and for the next several months, Americans will be finding out the facts and the realities of ObamaCare and will be making choices and decisions in respect to their real medical insurance needs and preferences.

Remember all those Obamacare horror stories?

Not looking so bad now

Inflammatory personal testimony has been a staple of bad debating since humans first started arguing with each other

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/04/obamacare-horror-stories-debunked

Urban Legends: How They Start and Why They Persist

http://www.livescience.com/7107-urban-legends-start-persist.html

"It's refreshing to see.......that the country is now focused on what obamacare does or does not do" It is indeed refreshing to get down to the bottom line and get the political partisanship out of this discussion! Now on to what obamacare does- obamacare raises the premiums and massivly increases the deductibles for most working Americans, obamacare also kicks many millions (perhaps in the tens of millions before the dust settles) of hard working Americans off their existing policies despite promises from the the "empty suit" in the White House that if you like your policy you can keep it, also obamacare takes many GP physicians and specialists away from millions of Americans despite promises that if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor period! Obamacare also brings millions more into medicaid thereby stressing and already flawed, fraud ridden and bankrupted system to the limit I could go on for days with the flaws in this 2007 page partisan legislative boondoggle, but I really don't need to since obamacare will fail on its own merits (or lack there of!)

It's good to see we're finally getting the political partisanship out of the discussion, as in your opening and closing sentences.

It is indeed refreshing to get down to the bottom line and get the political partisanship out of this discussion! I could go on for days with the flaws in this 2007 page partisan legislative boondoggle

Republican saboteurs can't ever get the partisanship out of their rantings a ragings.

[chuckd]

Remember all those Obamacare horror stories?

Not looking so bad now

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Somebody needs to read something besides the party line:

News

Reports of erroneous WA health exchange debits

http://www.kgw.com/news/Enrollees-report-erroneous-debits-by-WA-Healthplanfinder-235244701.html

...then...

Exclusive: Thousands of HealthCare.gov sign-ups didn’t make it to insurers

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/12/14/exclusive-thousands-of-healthcare-gov-sign-ups-didnt-make-it-to-insurers/

...or...

Obama’s Health Care Promise Named “Lie of the Year”

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-health-care-promise-named-203400459.html

...and...

HHS extends more Obamacare deadlines

http://washingtonexaminer.com/administration-alters-more-obamacare-deadlines/article/2540659

Even the main stream media can't make this scandal go away.

What was that saying about putting lipstick on a pig?

[F430murci]

If Buffett means scrap it and go Canadian, I'm all for it!

Actually, Buffett is typically a voice of reason and very level headed. He knows numbers and has the money to hire the best when it comes to business models, forecasting, viability and numbers. His saying it has now failed, whether due to sabotage by opposition party or just poor planning and implementation, should resonate loud and clear.

[chuckd]

F430:

Obamacare is going to implode when the costs start coming out. All the Republicans have to do is sit back and let it happen. This will be an ongoing situation for at least the next year, when the employer mandate can no longer be delayed to hide the costs. That's when the fan gets hit with the proverbial stuff.

Here is the latest from the AP.

AP-GfK poll: Health law seen as eroding coverage

Associated Press By Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar and Jennifer Agiesta, Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Americans who already have health insurance are blaming President Barack Obama's health care overhaul for their rising premiums and deductibles, and overall 3 in 4 say the rollout of coverage for the uninsured has gone poorly.

...From the article...

The poll found a striking level of unease about the law among people who have health insurance and aren't looking for government help. Those are the 85 percent of Americans who the White House says don't have to be worried about the president's historic push to expand coverage for the uninsured.

In the survey, nearly half of those with job-based or other private coverage say their policies will be changing next year — mostly for the worse.

Sixty-nine percent say their premiums will be going up, while 59 percent say annual deductibles or copayments are increasing.

Entire article here, worth reading: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ap-gfk-poll-health-law-131659580.html

[VegasVic]

It's refreshing to see that the tales based in the long train of possible horrors have subsided concerning ObamaCare and that the country is now focused on the realities of what ObamaCare does or doesn't do based in the reality it is a medical insurance program rooted in the private sector.

Urban legends and instant mythologies, the opposite of reality, that have been proliferated against ObamaCare are giving way to the central inquiries concerning what exactly and precisely ObamaCare is in respect to my health and medical insurance needs and preferences, each of us.

For instance, I'd been unsure how the ACA might impact me and my long standing medical insurance program. Now I know it does not impact me at all, that my long relationship with my medical insurer will continue because the insurer not only meets the standards of the ACA, it exceeds the standards, but without being anything remotely near a cadillac program.

Although I'm certainly in the company of a vast majority of others in this respect, I'm talking about myself and myself only

The two links below present, for anyone interested, some urban legends and instant mythologies against ObamaCare. The myths are corrected, the urban legends are shot down. The links together expose mythmaking and also discuss the nature of tall tale telling.

The psychology of such blown-up 'horrors' and mythmaking is well known, as indicated by the following quote from one of the two links

"It's refreshing to see.......that the country is now focused on what obamacare does or does not do" It is indeed refreshing to get down to the bottom line and get the political partisanship out of this discussion! Now on to what obamacare does- obamacare raises the premiums and massivly increases the deductibles for most working Americans, obamacare also kicks many millions (perhaps in the tens of millions before the dust settles) of hard working Americans off their existing policies despite promises from the the "empty suit" in the White House that if you like your policy you can keep it, also obamacare takes many GP physicians and specialists away from millions of Americans despite promises that if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor period! Obamacare also brings millions more into medicaid thereby stressing and already flawed, fraud ridden and bankrupted system to the limit I could go on for days with the flaws in this 2007 page partisan legislative boondoggle, but I really don't need to since obamacare will fail on its own merits (or lack there of!) alt=wai2.gif pagespeed_url_hash=1722055545 width=20 height=20>

It's good to see we're finally getting the political partisanship out of the discussion, as in your opening and closing sentences.

It is indeed refreshing to get down to the bottom line and get the political partisanship out of this discussion! I could go on for days with the flaws in this 2007 page partisan legislative boondoggle

Republican saboteurs can't ever get the partisanship out of their rantings a ragings.

Just stating the facts my tunnel vision friend, watch and learn

[Munger]

March I think. Cheerleading for failure. Really sad.

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Not as sad as trying to defend the apologist in the white house

[F430murci]

March I think. Cheerleading for failure. Really sad.

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Not as sad as trying to defend the apologist in the white house

The truth is, some are driven only by their selfish needs without regard for the overall impact to the country. Most, not all, entitlement people seeking food stamps, welfare, subsidized housing and now Bamacare are driven by selfish fears and desires and could care less if the programs hurt or benefit society at large.

Bamacare is going to end up being worse than XXCare state programs currently offered to the poor because day by day hospitals, doctors, drugs and certain medical services are being excluded as covered under Bamacare.

I was initially for Bamacare and believed it could have worked, but I was wrong. Regardless as to whose fault (and Bama needs to accept most of the blame here) the disaster of an implementation, poor underwriting or forecasting and misleading the public about the program's features and ability to remain covered under former good policies has made Bamacare nothing short of a disaster.

Time and time again, I am hearing from good, responsible hardworking people (some of which have huge medical needs, but most of which are healthy) that their policies are being canceled and they are being forced into this high priced, less coverage crap so Bama can dish out more entitlements to a bunch of lazy people with their hands out.

I am okay with taking care of the less fortunate and do a lot of charity work. That, however, should be a personal choice or decision and not a forced decision, especially when it has the impact of creating a hardship on hard working, honest people that did not create these situations.

Edited December 18, 2013 by F430murci

[Jingthing]

The President's name is OBAMA. Not Bama. I find the use of Bama very disrespectful.

[chuckd]

The President's name is OBAMA. Not Bama. I find the use of Bama very disrespectful.

So I guess "Prez Bama" is out of the question?

[NeverSure]

The President's name is OBAMA. Not Bama. I find the use of Bama very disrespectful.

Now we agree. I too find the linking of "President" and "Obama" very disrespectful to all thinking Americans.

[Jingthing]

The President's name is OBAMA. Not Bama. I find the use of Bama very disrespectful.

Now we agree. I too find the linking of "President" and "Obama" very disrespectful to all thinking Americans.

At least he didn't steal the office like Bush in 2000.

Edited December 18, 2013 by Jingthing

[NeverSure]

The President's name is OBAMA. Not Bama. I find the use of Bama very disrespectful.

Now we agree. I too find the linking of "President" and "Obama" very disrespectful to all thinking Americans.

Unless he didn't steal the office like Bush in 2000.

Do you understand the electoral system? There were recounts and Bush won. "Global warming cooling change" AlGore wanted another recount but that violated Florida rules. The US Supreme Court agreed with the methods and the count and Bush won. Bush won every which way the count was done, every time.

Just because Gore was a sore loser doesn't mean Bush "stole" anything.

Obama didn't steal anything either. He just managed to fool most of the people often enough to get reelected. Now his Obamacare is imploding, his lies are coming home to roost, and most people aren't fooled any more.

Obamacare will be the undoing of Obama and the Democrats for years to come.

[Jingthing]

You're asking me if I understand the electoral system? That's hilarious! Anyway, back to Obamacare ...

[F430murci]

The President's name is OBAMA. Not Bama. I find the use of Bama very disrespectful.

You are too sensitive. Type his full name over and over again on the net and you too will be in their little data base . . . Has nothing to do with respect. Even when I defended him and kind of liked him I used Bama so the only list I make is the red neck Crimson Tide list.

[Publicus]

The President's name is OBAMA. Not Bama. I find the use of Bama very disrespectful.

You are too sensitive. Type his full name over and over again on the net and you too will be in their little data base . . . Has nothing to do with respect. Even when I defended him and kind of liked him I used Bama so the only list I make is the red neck Crimson Tide list.

Sounds like a serious condition.

Edited December 18, 2013 by Publicus

[F430murci]

The President's name is OBAMA. Not Bama. I find the use of Bama very disrespectful.

You are too sensitive. Type his full name over and over again on the net and you too will be in their little data base . . . Has nothing to do with respect. Even when I defended him and kind of liked him I used Bama so the only list I make is the red neck Crimson Tide list.

Sounds like a serious condition.

Haha, yep. It is, but I am hopeful that will find a cure. What do you think gets tagged? Is it not key words.

BTW, I just read that Harvard dude made his little get out if test threat through TOR. Guess that isn't so secure any more.

[Scott]

The rules are quite specific about using the correct name of politicians, especially aberrant spellings. It probably isn't too hard to put type the extra O....but let's stick to the topic of the thread, for now.

[F430murci]

The rules are quite specific about using the correct name of politicians, especially aberrant spellings. It probably isn't too hard to put type the extra O....but let's stick to the topic of the thread, for now.

I suppose the big "O" is out of the question?

[NeverSure]

You're asking me if I understand the electoral system? That's hilarious! Anyway, back to Obamacare ...

There isn't any "Obamacare." It's called the "Affordable..."

[midas]

The President's name is OBAMA. Not Bama. I find the use of Bama very disrespectful.

Do you believe President Obama has shown much respect for the American citizens the way he has tried to pull the wool over their eyes regarding so many simultaneous scandals?

[Scott]

The rules are quite specific about using the correct name of politicians, especially aberrant spellings. It probably isn't too hard to put type the extra O....but let's stick to the topic of the thread, for now.

I suppose the big "O" is out of the question?

That probably wouldn't make the cut.