Abhisit fears resurrected amnesty bill

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Abhisit fears resurrected amnesty bill
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Opposition leader Abhisit Vejjajiva has voiced his concern about the future of the controversial amnesty bill and the unjust treatment of anti-government protesters by the police.

Commenting on a Red Shirt plan to rally between 18-20 November, Abhisit said that he is not clear about their intention. However, he is concerned about expressions of support for the amnesty bill despite the government vowing to drop the legislation on Monday.

He claimed that Red Shirts will agitate for the return of former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra. This, he says, raises questiona about whether the amnesty bill will be resurrected after 180 days of suspension.

Abhisit also said that the police treatment of protestors against the current government contrast with treatment of Red Shirts. There have been reports that police have been filing charges against protesters for raising national flags while being tolerant of the red flags flown by the Red Shirts.

He pointed out one case where police even assisted Red Shirt protestors by using their vehicles to transport chairs for a demonstration.


-- The Nation 2013-11-15

[gl555]

Nothing new. This government has always been dirty and biased. The reds can burn down the city and still be called 'peaceful' by the PTP idiots. What else do you expect?

[seajae]

The police are in the ptp's pocket, what else can you expect. They let the red shorts run riot last time and here they are coming down on these protesters even when the pm said they werent to do so. It would seem that big brother is paying the right people to do his bidding again, this will just keep happening, its Thailand what can you expect

[Nickymaster]

My office staff told me 3 days ago that police cleared the road for a few buses with red skirts.

[Nickymaster]

The police are in the ptp's pocket, what else can you expect. They let the red shorts run riot last time and here they are coming down on these protesters even when the pm said they werent to do so. It would seem that big brother is paying the right people to do his bidding again, this will just keep happening, its Thailand what can you expect

Some people might not know that but during the Red shirt rallies in 2010 there were parts of Bangkok that were controlled by the reds, not the police.

[mrtoad]

I think Abhisit is very likely correct with regards to the fear that PTP will resurrect the bill, Yingluck even said as much when she stated that it was "suspended", which is tantamount to saying they''ll wait a while.

With regards to the BIB and their double standards, no surpise really - we saw in 2009 and 2010 how they stood idle as the Red Shirts incited violence and mayhem in Bangkok. In the PTP and UDD version of democracy, only their view has any credence and anything that is against the SKYPE instructions is a threat to their version of democracy. Yay!! for The Caddy in Dubai

[Thainy Tim]

'He pointed out one case where police even assisted Red Shirt protestors by using their vehicles to transport chairs for a demonstration'.

Just like my brother in law watched as food was delivered to the red protesters in pickups with the government badges on the doors last Sunday.

Guilty all the way...

[mrtoad]

The police are in the ptp's pocket, what else can you expect. They let the red shorts run riot last time and here they are coming down on these protesters even when the pm said they werent to do so. It would seem that big brother is paying the right people to do his bidding again, this will just keep happening, its Thailand what can you expect

Some people might not know that but during the Red shirt rallies in 2010 there were parts of Bangkok that were controlled by the reds, not the police.

Yes, that is correct - although are resident apologists (most of whom, were not in Bangkok in 2009 or 2010) will be along shortly to dispute that.

[soundman]

If the house is not dissolved K. Abhisit quite rightly fears that the amnesty bill will be voted rammed through in an extraordinary session probably to the minute that the 180 day waiting period expires, irrespective of the public's feeling on the matter.

[Nickymaster]

The police are in the ptp's pocket, what else can you expect. They let the red shorts run riot last time and here they are coming down on these protesters even when the pm said they werent to do so. It would seem that big brother is paying the right people to do his bidding again, this will just keep happening, its Thailand what can you expect

Some people might not know that but during the Red shirt rallies in 2010 there were parts of Bangkok that were controlled by the reds, not the police.

Yes, that is correct - although are resident apologists (most of whom, were not in Bangkok in 2009 or 2010) will be along shortly to dispute that.

They can dispute whatever they want. I lived in the area and had to pass a few intersections with trucks standing in the middle on which a bunch of wasted red shirts were having a party. Total anarchy at that moment.

Edited November 15, 2013 by Nickymaster

[winstonc]

If the house is not dissolved K. Abhisit quite rightly fears that the amnesty bill will be voted rammed through in an extraordinary session probably to the minute that the 180 day waiting period expires, irrespective of the public's feeling on the matter.

correct..175 to go ...tick tock..i can only see it ending in tears..but i fear worse..how can 1 man be so selfish ...beggars belief..

[Siripon]

Hopefully the Constitution Court will have killed the bill way before the 180 days are up.

[NongKhaiKid]

I think Abhisit is very likely correct with regards to the fear that PTP will resurrect the bill, Yingluck even said as much when she stated that it was "suspended", which is tantamount to saying they''ll wait a while.

With regards to the BIB and their double standards, no surpise really - we saw in 2009 and 2010 how they stood idle as the Red Shirts incited violence and mayhem in Bangkok. In the PTP and UDD version of democracy, only their view has any credence and anything that is against the SKYPE instructions is a threat to their version of democracy. Yay!! for The Caddy in Dubai

It really is impossible to believe amnesty, in some form or other, is dead as it's all Mr. T cares about so his puppets will be out to get it through no matter what.

[samtam]

The police are in the ptp's pocket, what else can you expect. They let the red shorts run riot last time and here they are coming down on these protesters even when the pm said they werent to do so. It would seem that big brother is paying the right people to do his bidding again, this will just keep happening, its Thailand what can you expect

My office staff told me 3 days ago that police cleared the road for a few buses with red skirts.

Perhaps if we started calling these groups red shorts, or yellow skirts we could view their antics as children in a schoolyard. Does anyone really know what they want, or is it simply to follow the masters' biddings, and to collect 200 when they pass "Go"?

[bigbamboo]

Abhisit is only saying what most Thais believe anyway.

Thaksin was right when he said democracy is not his goal.

Amnesty is.

[siampolee]

A classic military tactic is the using of a retreat as a form of defence then later advancing at full strength .

This to my mind is the current strategy behind the delaying of the Amnesty bill. The bill has not been withdrawn, it is still politically alive but not kicking but gently hibernating thus lulling the electorate at large into a false sense of security and victory.

The Thaksin marionette ensemble are infamous for their deceit as is their puppet master manager, no one should even consider the Amnesty bill as dead in the water until this administration is removed from power.

[givenall]

Nothing new. This government has always been dirty and biased. The reds can burn down the city and still be called 'peaceful' by the PTP idiots. What else do you expect?

Democracy LOS style, govern by intimidations and retaliation

[jcb2001]

The police are in the ptp's pocket, what else can you expect. They let the red shorts run riot last time and here they are coming down on these protesters even when the pm said they werent to do so. It would seem that big brother is paying the right people to do his bidding again, this will just keep happening, its Thailand what can you expect

Amnesty will be re-introduced in 180 days. You can't believe one word Yingluck says. Thaksin will keep shoving this down the throats of the Thai people until it is passed and he can freely enter to take over the country.

The Dems and Anti-gov't protestors must be pro-active and wipe out this Thaksin cancer, once and for all. The jobs not done. Don't slack off now!

[chainarong]

Abhisit is right to be concerned about the treachery of the UDD , old habits die hard , however Abhisit is smart enough to know what these people are like and the moves that they are likely to make , nothing surprise the readers of this site about the police and their tactic's, but the return of Thaskin Shinawatra' will be nothing short of chaos , this man is the un-stabilizing of Thailand , a dark cloud will hang over Thailand for years to come.

[marcusd]

If the house is not dissolved K. Abhisit quite rightly fears that the amnesty bill will be voted rammed through in an extraordinary session probably to the minute that the 180 day waiting period expires, irrespective of the public's feeling on the matter.

correct..175 to go ...tick tock..i can only see it ending in tears..but i fear worse..how can 1 man be so selfish ...beggars belief..

HOW? 350 billion rice here another 200 billion there, a few more billions over there.

Thats how he can be so patient.

These are not numbers but peoples future!

[nong38]

If this bill were to surface again then I believe there would be big trouble and it would bring down the Government not straight away but the people would be back in the streets again with even more venom, the Government would have a choice of course, they could confront the protesters which would be messy and could easily get out of hand or, they could call an election, which what the protesters want. Who has the best strategists?

[Halion]

Just look at the attitude ,intellect and education of your average policeman and they have Red shirt stamped all over them.

During the Silom riots the police, at least in brown uniform, were nowhere to be seen. RTP behave more akin to a mercenary militia than a police force.

[rametindallas]

If this bill were to surface again then I believe there would be big trouble and it would bring down the Government not straight away but the people would be back in the streets again with even more venom, the Government would have a choice of course, they could confront the protesters which would be messy and could easily get out of hand or, they could call an election, which what the protesters want. Who has the best strategists?

If this government is still in power at the end of the 180 day suspension period, they will ram it through in the middle of the night. The people will then be out in the streets but it will be too late. The government can resign but it will be too late. Once Dr. Thaksin comes back, all free and clean, he can rally the voters in the N and NE and get a new puppet government and create his 1,000 year Reich. His Brown Red Shirts can take care of any street protestors brave enough to come out. He has learned a lot while in exile and he won't be stopped again.

Unless new elections are held before the 180 day waiting period, the above will most assuredly happen. That needs to be made clear to every voter in Thailand.

[hellodolly]

The police are in the ptp's pocket, what else can you expect. They let the red shorts run riot last time and here they are coming down on these protesters even when the pm said they werent to do so. It would seem that big brother is paying the right people to do his bidding again, this will just keep happening, its Thailand what can you expect

Some people might not know that but during the Red shirt rallies in 2010 there were parts of Bangkok that were controlled by the reds, not the police.

Yes, that is correct - although are resident apologists (most of whom, were not in Bangkok in 2009 or 2010) will be along shortly to dispute that.

word is that the resident apologists are having a hard time to find straw to hang onto these day's

If the house is not dissolved K. Abhisit quite rightly fears that the amnesty bill will be voted rammed through in an extraordinary session probably to the minute that the 180 day waiting period expires, irrespective of the public's feeling on the matter.

I think there plan is as said bring it back in 175 cay's.

in the mean time use every dirty trick they can think of to discredit the Democrats. Watch for a continual parade of trumped up charges by the PTP.

[tingtongteesood]

Mark the date on your calendars and prepare for war, make sure you cleared the local shops beer stocks into your living room and try to hold out till the fighting stops....

[MAJIC]

I think Abhisit is very likely correct with regards to the fear that PTP will resurrect the bill, Yingluck even said as much when she stated that it was "suspended", which is tantamount to saying they''ll wait a while.

With regards to the BIB and their double standards, no surpise really - we saw in 2009 and 2010 how they stood idle as the Red Shirts incited violence and mayhem in Bangkok. In the PTP and UDD version of democracy, only their view has any credence and anything that is against the SKYPE instructions is a threat to their version of democracy. Yay!! for The Caddy in Dubai

Does any intelligent person really believe the Amnesty Bill is dead and Buried ? of course not! it's merely been postponed, until the Ante Amnesty protesters have calmed down and gone home! Meanwhile the PTP Mob and Skype will be hard at work to find a chink to slip the Bill through the back door! before the Protesters have a chance to mobilise again,just like they did with,the out of hours, issue of Thaksin's new Passport.

[isaanpaul]

My office staff told me 3 days ago that police cleared the road for a few buses with red skirts.

I more love to see red skirts than red shirts

[gabruce]

The police are in the ptp's pocket, what else can you expect. They let the red shorts run riot last time and here they are coming down on these protesters even when the pm said they werent to do so. It would seem that big brother is paying the right people to do his bidding again, this will just keep happening, its Thailand what can you expect

Some people might not know that but during the Red shirt rallies in 2010 there were parts of Bangkok that were controlled by the reds, not the police.

Yes, that is correct - although are resident apologists (most of whom, were not in Bangkok in 2009 or 2010) will be along shortly to dispute that.

They can dispute whatever they want. I lived in the area and had to pass a few intersections with trucks standing in the middle on which a bunch of wasted red shirts were having a party. Total anarchy at that moment.

I particularly enjoyed the tire bonfires by my home at the time too. I wanted to roast marshmallows, but figured that they wouldn't be edible. Honestly, I was more concerned about being shot or attacked if I went anywhere near there. Not the bravest of souls I'm afraid.