Thai govt threatens to seize assets of sponsors of anti-govt rallies

[rogerdee123]

They are probably thinking of ways to arrest and charge more than 51% of the population ... or at least the puu yais ..... so there won't be so much objection to the amnesty bill.

[chooka]

The hypocrisy of this government is staggering.

They've completely lost the plot and are grasping at straws.

The population is far more awake than it has ever been and for the PTP to start acting in the very same unsensible and overbearing manner that is being protested will be suicide.

People are no longer following blindly and are seeing straight through the BS at every twist and turn.

Threats and trumped up charges won't work anymore because the people now understand what they are - ridiculous, completely unsensible and undemocratic acts.

PTP needs to understand that, this time, the makeup of the protestors is different and that not everyone on the streets is there for fisticuffs ... more of them are now there to air their view, stand their ground and show that they can be just as stubborn as the government is.

If the PTP think this is still only about amnesty and Thaksin, they are sadly mistaken. It seems to have gone way beyond that, in a way that is being very badly read and comprehended.

This is what happens when you let the people have access to education, you can no longer control them.

[PeterSmiles]

Let's hope for the Shinawatra's that this new law doesn't backdate 3 years.

[mrtoad]

Donating to a protest is money laundering.

Who are these idiots?

I think we all know who they are,, but they are now making idiocy an art form. This is certainly one hub that they can justifiably claim.

[Mosha]

Donating to a protest is money laundering.

Who are these idiots?

I think we all know who they are,, but they are now making idiocy an art form. This is certainly one hub that they can justifiably claim.

[animatic]

The hypocrisy swings into high gear.

[oldsailor35]

This grub of a man has declared that his aim is to bring down the government ! Is this really legal in Thailand other than through the ballot box.

If not then this man should be put on trial .

[aussieinthailand]

Pracha "had received information about the alleged mobilisation of the' unemployed and drug addicts" from upcountry to boost the protests" How than can be ? Thaksin eliminated poverty and got rid of all drugs in Thailand years ago.

Yu'p and then the issues of 2006 and onwards happened, so now what?

[whybother]

This grub of a man has declared that his aim is to bring down the government ! Is this really legal in Thailand other than through the ballot box.

If not then this man should be put on trial .

They seemed to think it was legal in 2010.

[smutcakes]

Right i am going to fight logic and have a stab at justifying this one however feeble it maybe. Suthep has claimed he is trying to overthrow the Government, which I am going to presume is not as legal as something like calling for elections:). Hence Suthep is now inciting illegal acts, and those funding it are supporting the criminal act of trying to overthrow the Government, hence the money should be traced and stopped, much the same way a number of persons in 2010 had their finances blocked.

The key point here is that Suthep has moved from a rally with a specific aim against a bill, a protest on that is obviously not illegal, to now claiming he is trying to overthrow the Government which i presume is illegal

Splendid job i have done there.

[ramrod711]

If this government seizes Sutheps assets, i don't believe there will be a place on this planet that Thaksin could hide.

[whybother]

Right i am going to fight logic and have a stab at justifying this one however feeble it maybe. Suthep has claimed he is trying to overthrow the Government, which I am going to presume is not as legal as something like calling for elections:). Hence Suthep is now inciting illegal acts, and those funding it are supporting the criminal act of trying to overthrow the Government, hence the money should be traced and stopped, much the same way a number of persons in 2010 had their finances blocked.

The key point here is that Suthep has moved from a rally with a specific aim against a bill, a protest on that is obviously not illegal, to now claiming he is trying to overthrow the Government which i presume is illegal

Splendid job i have done there.

One flaw in your argument. Suthep has said he wants to "overthrow the Thaksin regime", so unless you're admitting that Thaksin is running the government, what Suthep is wanting wouldn't be illegal, and, if you are suggesting that Thaksin is running the government, then what Suthep is wanting wouldn't be illegal either.

Edited November 16, 2013 by whybother

[Bakseeda]

Really hope that all these protests by the both sides ends up in massive violence with high amount of casualities especially the politicians . As far as i am concerned, thailand was never ready for democracy as there are no decent and honest politicians with the key view of enhancing the countyr and its people plus majaority of the population condones corruption plus the same majority will not raise an evelid about selling their mothers, daughters or even sons these days for a mere Bt 500!

I don't really see how massive violence can help situation and sincerely hope it does not happen.

In case you did not realize, AA was being cynical.... And it obviously worked.. and if you really have Bluespunk, you should make movies..

[h90]

This grub of a man has declared that his aim is to bring down the government ! Is this really legal in Thailand other than through the ballot box.

If not then this man should be put on trial .

Why should it be illegal? Big demonstrations and the government steps down....complete legal, very common in many countries.

But if the government does not step down because there are demonstrations what they do than? Because if you do more than peaceful demonstrate and blow whistles than it might be illegal.

[GeorgeO]

The first attempt to seize any of the assets of any anti-government sponsor is likely to be the final straw in this current showdown.

When a political party takes laws that were specifically put in place for one purpose and then attempts to twist and use them to silence any opposition to their dictatorial rule, then we are clearly living in dangerous times.

The PTP has reached the point where they will try anything to remain in power, and such desperation by a ruling party has to be taken as a clear signal that Parliament must be dissolved, with a new government being put in place as a result of (fair and clean) elections by the people, for the people, and not for one specific individual.

Any attempt to seize assets based upon the use of 'anti-money laundering' provisions would be illegal and unconstitutional in itself, and would provide a legitimate invitation to an opposition call for the dissolution of Parliament and the ousting of the current government.

This government should also take into consideration the fact that governments overseas are also taking note of what is going on in Thailand, and there will have been a few sharp intakes of breath once this news report came out...!!

[jollyhangmon]

I wonder how Thailand would be if there was RULE OF LAW?

Yeah, why can't Thailand be like our home countries, things are much better there, that's why we left.

... well, dunno about you mon, but I certainly didn't leave because of (relatively) upheld law ...?!

[nong38]

Democracy in Thailand is something to behold as with most things Thailand can teach the world a thing or two about Democracy works best, how to stitch things up, control the Parliament with a whopping majority and still get wrong, I feel a hub coming on

[MrSlatersParrot]

The sheer hypocrisy of Suthep's call for a national strike becomes apparent when you realize the vast majority of the working population are on daily contracts.

If you don't turn up you're fired!

It's become common knowledge that many of those protesting come from certain companies and have been given leave to attend and not go to work.

They should be exposed. Named and shamed.

BP said there were 50,000 but the police said 20,000 but the public are losing patience.

[whybother]

The sheer hypocrisy of Suthep's call for a national strike becomes apparent when you realize the vast majority of the working population are on daily contracts.

If you don't turn up you're fired!

It's become common knowledge that many of those protesting come from certain companies and have been given leave to attend and not go to work.

They should be exposed. Named and shamed.

BP said there were 50,000 but the police said 20,000 but the public are losing patience.

If it's such common knowledge, what is there to expose?

Is that like the common knowledge that red shirts are paid to attend their protests?

[GrantSmith]

Weapons, unemployed and drug addicts paid by businessmen.

Suthep is preparing the "next level" of his protests

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You mean Suthep's bringing in disenfranchised Red Shirt supporters?

Does that aluminium foil hat come in any other colours?

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[FangFerang]

Both sides have valid grievances, and neither is giving ground. Both sides have backers, and neither is giving ground. Both sides have corrupt leaders, and neither is giving ground. Both sides buy votes, and neither is giving ground. Both sides have protestors, and neither is giving ground.

But violence will not touch the leaders...

[MrSlatersParrot]

The sheer hypocrisy of Suthep's call for a national strike becomes apparent when you realize the vast majority of the working population are on daily contracts.

If you don't turn up you're fired!

It's become common knowledge that many of those protesting come from certain companies and have been given leave to attend and not go to work.

They should be exposed. Named and shamed.

BP said there were 50,000 but the police said 20,000 but the public are losing patience.

If it's such common knowledge, what is there to expose?

Is that like the common knowledge that red shirts are paid to attend their protests?

If they are private companies it's not a problem but public companies that take government contracts then it is.

Anyway I've seen the fleets of white vans used to convey these people around. Somebody is paying for all this.

As we've seen the Dems have recently refused to reform.

2 million members not given any say in the Dems hierarchy or policies.

They never discuss reform.

They just brainwash with their Thaksin hate speeches.

20,000 ain't going to bring down an elected government even if they all start throwing rocks.

They'll have to wait another 2 years to have a crack at it. That is at an election.

[julemanden]

Donating to a protest is money laundering.

Who are these idiots?

PTP

[animatic]

This grub of a man has declared that his aim is to bring down the government ! Is this really legal in Thailand other than through the ballot box.

If not then this man should be put on trial .

It happens in England, France and other euro countries,

when there is enough unrest in the streets it is considered

a 'vote of no confidence' in the current administration, and parliament is dissolved.

And "this grub of a man" had exactly the SAME tactics used against him while in office,

but also including intentional deaths to make it a more long lasting removal from office.

And a card to use for the amnesty fight.

By what is observed so far, the demonstrations have not been at all violent or illegal,

nothing more than discussions of national options centering around the current maladministration.

If it goes past that it is impossible to approve,

as it was when the Red Shirts took over much of Bangkok.

[whybother]

The sheer hypocrisy of Suthep's call for a national strike becomes apparent when you realize the vast majority of the working population are on daily contracts.

If you don't turn up you're fired!

It's become common knowledge that many of those protesting come from certain companies and have been given leave to attend and not go to work.

They should be exposed. Named and shamed.

BP said there were 50,000 but the police said 20,000 but the public are losing patience.

If it's such common knowledge, what is there to expose?

Is that like the common knowledge that red shirts are paid to attend their protests?

If they are private companies it's not a problem but public companies that take government contracts then it is.

Anyway I've seen the fleets of white vans used to convey these people around. Somebody is paying for all this.

As we've seen the Dems have recently refused to reform.

2 million members not given any say in the Dems hierarchy or policies.

They never discuss reform.

They just brainwash with their Thaksin hate speeches.

20,000 ain't going to bring down an elected government even if they all start throwing rocks.

They'll have to wait another 2 years to have a crack at it. That is at an election.

IF? I thought it was common knowledge.

"recently refused to reform"? "never discuss reform"? I don't think you read much news.

[animatic]

Companies that take government contracts would be the first to know the level of corruption in any administration and whether their company is being given especially harsh treatment for backing a previous administration.

The threat today to go after the monied backers is one of the few course they imagine they have left.

It echoes the earlier threat by the DSI Chief to do so.But it has yet to be shown in any way that the protestors

are being paid to protest, which was demonstrated clear as day several times in the Red Shirt protests.

When you are losing money more with one maladministration than with another,

you favor the one you lose the least with. It is a natural business strategy.

Another business strategy is to hire 'Perception Management' shills, in a boiler room somewhere,

to sow disinformation, and attempt to make 'legitimate public grievances'

sound like 'political manipulations for profits'. Reducing the legitimate to an attempted parody.

We see that happening again the last few weeks. And when this has happened in the past,

things got rather ugly, coming from the current maladministration's cronies of course.

It started when the amnesty debate looked seriously ready to pass, and has grown louder,

and with more obvious players here, whom we usually never see on TVF, saying the same things

with slightly different wordings, as if it were some ground swell of the common man.

A underhanded tactic, but one employed regularly.

Edited November 16, 2013 by animatic

[worgeordie]

Who is this guy in the Government who comes up with more

and more ridiculous ideas,sure he must have been a comedian

in another life,and not a very good one.

regards Worgeordie

[MrSlatersParrot]

Companies that take government contracts would be the first to know the level of corruption in any administration and whether their company is being given especially harsh treatment for backing a previous administration.

The threat today to go after the monied backers is one of the few course they imagine they have left.

But it has yet to be shown that the protestors are being paid to protest,

which was demonstrated several times in the Red Shirt protests.

When you are losing money more with one maladministration than with another, you favor the one you lose the least with.

It is a natural business strategy.

Another business strategy is to hire 'Perception Management' shills, in a boiler room somewhere,

to sow disinformation, and attempt to make 'legitimate public grievances'

sound like 'political manipulations for profits'. Reducing the legitimate to an attempted parody.

We see that happening again the last few weeks. And when this has happened in the past,

things got rather ugly, coming from the current maladministration's cronies of course.

It started when the amnesty debate looked seriously ready to pass, and has grown louder,

and with more obvious players here, whom we usually never see on TVF, saying the same things

with slightly different wordings, as if it were some ground swell of the common man.

A underhanded tactic, but one employed regularly.

Well I came on Thaivisa to state that I disagreed with the changes made to the Amnesty Bill at the time.

It was a crazy and arrogant decision by Thaksin and it gave the Dems a golden opportunity to attack PTP.

They couldn't pass it up.

The red shirts are opposed to this amnesty and they represent 50% of the population unlike the 5% yellow shirts represent with their 20% of the vote.

The original intent was to release some 180 red shirts many who remain in prison without charge or have ludicrously long prison sentences and whilst the charged yellow shirts remain at large.

No wonder Abhisit is clutching at straws to suggest the bill can be re-introduced in 180 days.

"He wouldn't let it lie."

We've seen Thai airways staff allowed off work to protest. Chula and Thammasat students and staff,medical groups led by Dr Tul, the madcap, government workers and what I saw a week ago in Siam looked like Hi-so's with their guards, gardeners and maids

[whybother]

Companies that take government contracts would be the first to know the level of corruption in any administration and whether their company is being given especially harsh treatment for backing a previous administration. 

 

The threat today to go after the monied backers is one of the few course they imagine they have left.

But it has yet to be shown that the protestors are being paid to protest,

which was demonstrated several times in the Red Shirt protests.

 

When you are losing money more with one maladministration than with another, you favor the one you lose the least with.

It is a natural business strategy.

 

Another business strategy is to hire 'Perception Management' shills, in a boiler room somewhere,

to sow disinformation, and attempt to make 'legitimate public grievances'

sound like 'political manipulations for profits'. Reducing the legitimate to an attempted parody.

We see that happening again the last few weeks. And when this has happened in the past,

 things got rather ugly, coming from the current maladministration's cronies of course.

It started when the amnesty debate looked seriously ready to pass, and has grown louder,

and with more obvious players here, whom we usually never see on TVF, saying the same things

with slightly different wordings, as if it were some ground swell of the common man.

A underhanded tactic, but one employed regularly.

 

Well I came on Thaivisa to state that I disagreed with the changes made to the Amnesty Bill at the time.

It was a crazy and arrogant decision by Thaksin and it gave the Dems a golden opportunity to attack PTP.

They couldn't pass it up.

The red shirts are opposed to this amnesty and they represent 50% of the population unlike the 5% yellow shirts represent with their 20% of the vote.

The original intent was to release some 180 red shirts many who remain in prison without charge or have ludicrously long prison sentences and whilst the charged yellow shirts remain at large.

 

No wonder Abhisit is clutching at straws to suggest the bill can be re-introduced in 180 days.

"He wouldn't let it lie."

We've seen Thai airways staff allowed off work to protest. Chula and Thammasat students and staff,medical groups led by Dr Tul, the madcap, government workers and what I saw a week ago in Siam looked like Hi-so's with their guards, gardeners and maids

Abhisit isn't clutching at straws. The amnesty bill CAN be re-introduced, voted on and passed into law in less than 180 days.

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[Just1Voice]

Definitely not supporting PTP, but the truth is that the Dems, and all others, are just as guilty in the "vote buying" department.