Scotland to become independent in March 2016 if referendum passes

[transam]

Even if we get independence, I wonder how many Scots can forgive England for what they've done. I witnessed Maggie Thatcher getting hit by an egg in Aberdeen. I think she was treated better than she deserves.

Will England ever forgive us for the likes of Gordon Brown. - another one who only remembers Culloden

Or Blair...............

Was Blair Scots? He was educated there, but his ancestry is doubt - I don't think his mother knew his father - if you get my drift?

Born Edinburgh 1953. Reined over the UK for 10 years.

[wigantojapan]

Even if we get independence, I wonder how many Scots can forgive England for what they've done. I witnessed Maggie Thatcher getting hit by an egg in Aberdeen. I think she was treated better than she deserves.

Sure many people in Scotland disliked Maggie and her policies, but the same can be said of many English people. I come from a region of England that was more effected by her policies than any area of Scotland. The same can be said of the policies of Tony WMD Blair and Gordon BIGOT Brown, but that is no reason for the people of England to take offence at the Scots as a whole, and before any of you say you are not anti English, read back through this thread.

You can be Anti England, without being Anti English. There is a big difference in both.

Read through the Whole of this thread and please don't restrict yourself from cherry picking.

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ok i would like to see the anti english threads you can start with the ones that i have made.. i am more than happy for you to prove your case that i for one am anti english... i can assume if you find the thread off course you will be more than happy to share it as i will be so we both agree on that,,,if you cannot find it or any other threads i have posted it has been deleted by the SNP of course thank you....look forward to it

[wigantojapan]

Even if we get independence, I wonder how many Scots can forgive England for what they've done. I witnessed Maggie Thatcher getting hit by an egg in Aberdeen. I think she was treated better than she deserves.

Sure many people in Scotland disliked Maggie and her policies, but the same can be said of many English people. I come from a region of England that was more effected by her policies than any area of Scotland. The same can be said of the policies of Tony WMD Blair and Gordon BIGOT Brown, but that is no reason for the people of England to take offence at the Scots as a whole, and before any of you say you are not anti English, read back through this thread.

You can be Anti England, without being Anti English. There is a big difference in both.

Read through the Whole of this thread and please don't restrict yourself from cherry picking.

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ok i would like to see the anti english threads you can start with the ones that i have made.. i am more than happy for you to prove your case that i for one am anti english... i can assume if you find the thread off course you will be more than happy to share it as i will be so we both agree on that,,,if you cannot find it or any other threads i have posted it has been deleted by the SNP of course thank you....look forward to it

Sorry don't have the time to trawl back through this whole thread, one that I do remember is post 756 added to the sentiments expressed by you and others, and yes I do consider when you criticise England you are criticising the English.

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so when i said at least 3 times that England people should vote for their own independence i was criticizing the English or was i expressing my anti Englishness?.

you take your time son to find the anti English quotes by me i have all the time and post 756 if i believe it is the one you are referring clearly says WHAT? seeing it is so impressed in your mind .

And when you are there at post 756 please post my other anti English quotes .Thank you.

[nontabury]

So you don't consider 756 to be anti- English.

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[Commander Tamson]

So you don't consider 756 to be anti- English.

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Well Salmond is, but I think his number is 666

[wigantojapan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hMFYvPGUjI,,This will keep the no campaigners happy George galloway

[wigantojapan]

So you don't consider 756 to be anti- English.

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Well Salmond is, but I think his number is 666

And him a being a Scottish Tory and all who would have thought he must be a socialist now) Thats why i will no be voting for him but for the yes only like many more people,,

,,no matter how much the no campaign try ,,,

,Tamson i thought you were made of better stuff that that,,oh well just a blip im sure

[transam]

Even if we get independence, I wonder how many Scots can forgive England for what they've done. I witnessed Maggie Thatcher getting hit by an egg in Aberdeen. I think she was treated better than she deserves.

Will England ever forgive us for the likes of Gordon Brown. - another one who only remembers Culloden

Or Blair...............

Was Blair Scots? He was educated there, but his ancestry is doubt - I don't think his mother knew his father - if you get my drift?

Born Edinburgh 1953. Reined over the UK for 10 years.

I stand corrected sir and bow to your superior knowledge - so it was a pair of Jocks who took the country to war and brought it to economic ruin.

My sincere apologies, on behalf of my nation, to all my fellow Brits.

Yes, Scots were in control for a loooooooooooooong time over the UK, long enough to right "wrongs" mentioned on this topic. For an English guy like me l cannot understand why Scots rulers did not have in the back of their mind Scotland. Perhaps they did and did stuff, l don't know, but for sure the UK as a whole was miss managed. BUT, it seems King Salmond is on his white charger to correct all woes...

Somehow I don't think so.

His negative comments towards our UK troops at war sticks in my head, talk from an idiot with no idea about our fighting men and the job they are ALL trained to do, the English, Scots, Welsh, N.Irish, Nepalese team am sure were tutting at the time. .

[wigantojapan]

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[StreetCowboy]

It's always good to re-rake the coals of the past, lest we forget our heritage and we are unable to muster the spleen to go to war with our neighbours.

SC

[Scott]

Off-topic posts deleted. The poetry section belongs somewhere else.

Please stick to the topic.

[wigantojapan]

It's always good to re-rake the coals of the past, lest we forget our heritage and we are unable to muster the spleen to go to war with our neighbours.

SC

i think TS is talking very much of the present...but yes there are glaring similarities of the past and present.

the union was founded with threats and self benefits to the nobles who voted it in in 1707

the no camp with their nobles in power still threatening people

big difference now is the people of Scotland can vote...

.Dinnae need to go back to 1707 to see the war that is being waged onthe vast majority ofl people, English Irish welsh and scots by the powers in Westminister

[transam]

It's always good to re-rake the coals of the past, lest we forget our heritage and we are unable to muster the spleen to go to war with our neighbours.

SC

i think TS is talking very much of the present...but yes there are glaring similarities of the past and present.

the union was founded with threats and self benefits to the nobles who voted it in in 1707

the no camp with their nobles in power still threatening people

big difference now is the people of Scotland can vote...

.Dinnae need to go back to 1707 to see the war that is being waged onthe vast majority ofl people, English Irish welsh and scots by the powers in Westminister

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer, sorry but are not the powers in Westminster English, Irish, Welsh and Scots ? Or are they all from another country or even Mars..........

[wigantojapan]

It's always good to re-rake the coals of the past, lest we forget our heritage and we are unable to muster the spleen to go to war with our neighbours.

SC

i think TS is talking very much of the present...but yes there are glaring similarities of the past and present.

the union was founded with threats and self benefits to the nobles who voted it in in 1707

the no camp with their nobles in power still threatening people

big difference now is the people of Scotland can vote...

.Dinnae need to go back to 1707 to see the war that is being waged onthe vast majority ofl people, English Irish welsh and scots by the powers in Westminister

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer, sorry but are not the powers in Westminster English, Irish, Welsh and Scots ? Or are they all from another country or even Mars..........

think you will see a vast difference of wealth distribution through out the country...and yes i know there are vast pockets of Inner city London in decay and poverty before any one mentions it

[wigantojapan]

http://abbeyhillchronicle.com/2014/04/02/be-afraid-be-very-afraid-of-new-zealand/ be afraid Scotland be very afraid

[transam]

It's always good to re-rake the coals of the past, lest we forget our heritage and we are unable to muster the spleen to go to war with our neighbours.

SC

i think TS is talking very much of the present...but yes there are glaring similarities of the past and present.

the union was founded with threats and self benefits to the nobles who voted it in in 1707

the no camp with their nobles in power still threatening people

big difference now is the people of Scotland can vote...

.Dinnae need to go back to 1707 to see the war that is being waged onthe vast majority ofl people, English Irish welsh and scots by the powers in Westminister

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer, sorry but are not the powers in Westminster English, Irish, Welsh and Scots ? Or are they all from another country or even Mars..........

think you will see a vast difference of wealth distribution through out the country...and yes i know there are vast pockets of Inner city London in decay and poverty before any one mentions it

But it is daft to quote Westminster all the time as if folk who man it all come from Westminster

Blair and Brown, both Scots controlled the UK for a zillion years, folk voted them in . The government of today were not voted in.

My personal opinion is that when there is a hung parliament the voting should be done again so folk who voted for "obscure" parties can perhaps rethink their vote, now we have Liberal MP's making decisions on our behalf when the Liberals alone would never get into power. Travesty.

The Liberal involvement should never be a decision for Cameron, it should be the voters decision to form the government.

[wigantojapan]

But it is daft to quote Westminster all the time as if folk who man it all come from Westminster

and the question of

Scotland to become independent in March 2016 if referendum passes

is?

Hers is a clue the UK led Government is where?

How would you like us to name it?

The 1 Tory representing Scotland and the rest of UK party

How about 11 lib/dem representing Scotland and the i Tory representing Scotland and the rest party.

Good idea though that only them living in Westminister should be able to govern from there,,i like that

Where do you suggest The Union should be governed from?

That is also a big clue to

Scotland to become independent in March 2016 if referendum passes..

where do you suggest the Scottish people should be governed from ,,cant be hard to find these 12 magical people come from,,though im struggling to name one

[wigantojapan]

Blair and Brown, both Scots of course we in scotland voted them in ONLY because they were Scots and of course their was only Scots in the Labour Government and of course every bill that was passed was only by these 2 men who just happened as you say to be Scots.?

of course it was we scots all know that shame on us shame

but this referendum is not about the labour party..not about the Tory party,,not about the SNP party,,the raving looney party,,the green party .. the respect party the ukip party or any other party no no its not about them as cameron has distanced himself from the party politics by not wanting to debate it a simple question of yes or no

following laddie

[nontabury]

transam, I bet it was a long time since you were called lad or laddie, does it make you feel any younger?

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[wigantojapan]

https://www.google.co.th/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CC0QtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvqZDF_ycRAE&ei=_7hQU4XCJ8Lq8AXDqYLoCQ&usg=AFQjCNG5az4oCltKq9fguLBs4L9aw8_rdw&sig2=zthqrFqwyCFR-bsx9Wj_EQ

The man we all have been waiting on all of our lives ,,all of the 80 years since its founding and even the 307 years ago when men could only dream of an independent Scotland....THE MAN HAS COME and what a suit,, and what a tie..what a supremely well dressed laddie ....talks a bit too much of course and a tad f no quite the full shilling,,,but hey we Scots no nexxie anyway as they say in these parts....Really enjoyed the bit at 19 52.....aye i will raise a cup o tea and scottish tea at that

[wigantojapan]

Positive case for the Union: The anti-independence parties will make a positive case for Scotland remaining within the Union.http://www.newsnetscotland.com/

All the anti-independence parties have promised that they will make a "positive case" for Scotland remaining under Westminster government. It's always that they're "going to" make a positive case for the Union, or that they're "about to", or "watch this space it's coming", or "those nats better watch out because we'll be doing it really really soon, honest". But they never seem to get round to it. They're too busy making up scare stories to find the time.

Still waiting here after how many postings oh well the no side is consistent ..feel free any of you in the no camp still over 100 odd days to go

[i claudius]

Before Scots start on me i have no problem with Scotch people ,after saying that ,the Scots will never ever vote to go independant ,TURKEYS NEVER VOTE FOR CHRISTMAS. they get far to much from England. now tell me all about the oil ect ect ect,yawn.

[Chicog]

Positive case for the Union: The anti-independence parties will make a positive case for Scotland remaining within the Union.http://www.newsnetscotland.com/

All the anti-independence parties have promised that they will make a "positive case" for Scotland remaining under Westminster government. It's always that they're "going to" make a positive case for the Union, or that they're "about to", or "watch this space it's coming", or "those nats better watch out because we'll be doing it really really soon, honest". But they never seem to get round to it. They're too busy making up scare stories to find the time.

Still waiting here after how many postings oh well the no side is consistent ..feel free any of you in the no camp still over 100 odd days to go

Maybe the best approach is a swap.

Take the secessionists and send them to Northern Ireland, bring the Loyalists back to the mainland.

Then you don't need any silly passport nonsense or applications to join the EU, etc.

And the added bonus is a united Ireland, so they can deal with all the criminal gangs that call themselves "politicial organisations".

Simple, eh?

[wigantojapan]

Scottish independence:STV quits CBI over No stancehttp://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/scottish-independence-stv-quits-cbi-over-no-stance-1-3381858

[wigantojapan]

Missing Inaction

BY BELLACALEDONIA on

APRIL 17, 2014

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By Jonathan Shafi

Let me right at the outset define what I mean by alienation. It is the cry of men who feel themselves the victims of blind economic forces beyond their control. It’s the frustration of ordinary people excluded from the processes of decision-making. The feeling of despair and hopelessness that pervades people who feel with justification that they have no real say in shaping or determining their own destinies.

- Jimmy Reid,

Glasgow University in 1972

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[StreetCowboy]

It's the feeling of the disenfranchised, who cannot make a go of it in modern society, due to whatever reason.

I don't blame the English for the fact that I could not get a highly paid job in my home town, and I took Norman Tebbit's advice, and here I am here now. Dick Gaughan would have had me whining at the closed TV factory gates and decking whatever English fella happened to be passing.

SC

Edit: It's clear to me, from observing the performance of my compatriots around the world, that Scots are the equals or betters of their neighbours. But when some amongst us find that we cannot prosper like our compatriots of old, then we should not whinge about oppression, but rather try harder to excel, as we can.

Edited April 20, 2014 by StreetCowboy

[nong38]

What happens when the oil revenues run out where is the money coming from to run the coun try? The people and the cost will rise to pay for the whims of those in power, the future the Scottish people might see and the ones the politicians see is often different.

The issue is complex and its up to the Scottish people to do decide, as an Englishman I dont think its right that Scottish MP's can vote in Westminster and influence what goes in England, Wales or Northern Ireland but English MP's dont have the same power.

If the Scottish people vote for independence then many MP's north of the border will be out of a job and look at that make up, it will be hard for Labour to ever again gain power, not Scotland's problem.

Personally I would hope that we stay together, we are stronger together but its up to you I watch with interest, there is more to this than meets the eye, good bye Holy Loch hello Plymouth?

Edited April 20, 2014 by nong38

[Mojomor]

There is something seriously wrong with a people who don't want to be independent !!

"Take care of me Mama"

[StreetCowboy]

What happens when the oil revenues run out where is the money coming from to run the coun try? The people and the cost will rise to pay for the whims of those in power, the future the Scottish people might see and the ones the politicians see is often different.

The issue is complex and its up to the Scottish people to do decide, as an Englishman I dont think its right that Scottish MP's can vote in Westminster and influence what goes in England, Wales or Northern Ireland but English MP's dont have the same power.

If the Scottish people vote for independence then many MP's north of the border will be out of a job and look at that make up, it will be hard for Labour to ever again gain power, not Scotland's problem.

Personally I would hope that we stay together, we are stronger together but its up to you I watch with interest, there is more to this than meets the eye, good bye Holy Loch hello Plymouth?

My compatriots on this thread have whinged about the negative impact of our compatriots when they migrate to Westminster - a problem that we have suffered since 1605, not since the Union of the Crowns. Sadly, we will probably suffer it after secession, when the financial forces of London will be free to discriminate against those financial institutions in Edinburgh that are not owned now by the British Government

SC

[nontabury]

There is something seriously wrong with a people who don't want to be independent !!

"Take care of me Mama"

Will you say this, If in the future the people of the Orkney and Shetlands decide to return to Denmark or Norway.?

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