German photojournalist attacked

[GreenSnapper]

It would seem from a report on facebook from someone who was there that he was doing more than reporting.

He is apparently fluent in Thai and was reported as yelling and swearing at people.

Sounds like a right nutcase.

Probably.

Most Western journalists don't see their job as honest reporting. Instead, they are activists, fight capitalism, fight the rich... and so on. It makes sense he sympathizes with the red mob.

Nevertheless, asking from the stage to go after him, is more than stupid. He could have been killed, and actually he is quite lucky that he just got a few smacks.

[signs]

'In the rallies, there might be shouting or yelling from the protesters, but thats fine. But such singling out by the leader to attack journalist, Ive never seen before he said

Seems the details are changing. From Chumpon saying to attack, to saying to escort him away.

Nick highlighted himself by arguing with the guards, an act of stupidity and arrogance. "Mr. Nostitz said he was arguing with the protest guards when he was spotted by former Democrat MP Chumpon Junsai, who pointed his finger to Mr. Nostitz, accused him of being a "Redshirt reporter", and urged the crowd to evict him from the protest site."

And from evict to escort him away

The other paper says "chase him away".

Point being, there's a big difference with what was originally claimed.

That Chumpon ordered him to be attacked.

evict, escort, or chase.... are not "attack him"

[Mario2008]

1 post and a reply removed. Please keep the discussion civil.

[fab4]

*Deleted post edited out*

I'm not going to argue dictionary definitions with you.

You can either look at the command from a "Protest Leader" to evict a "Red Shirt reporter" from an "Anti - Government" rally in the context of a background of a hyped up crowd and ponder what the likely result would be, or not.

One action requires an open mind, the other doesn't. Up to you.

[LomSak27]

Emptyset posted

Perhaps the actual violence against Nick was forgivable, or doesn't amount to much, given that it was in the heat of the moment, riled up crowd, could've been a lot worse, etc etc. True. But, even if we were to accept that, the people who run the website, TV channel and those on the stage should know better

No it is not forgivable, although yes I am sure the crowd had fun. ---------------- The people who run the website, TV channel have done this junk repeatedly since the last time they were occupying Goverment house and the Airport. They are every bit as dangerous as that other party the TV posters seem to love to hate

One day that sad truth is going to dawn, their are no heroes here, John Wayne is going to ride in to the rescue and clean things up. Both sides employ very questionable tactics. More than that the ultra national yellow crowd out there is not my friend. They do not like the western expats - Why in gods name should I like them, or support such a group.??? in their undemocratic attempts to dissolve a goverment elected at the polls??

[MikeOboe57]

So let's recap. The ardent red shirt supporter NN was piggybacking on the freedom-of-the-press-ticket to the anti-government protest site and, instead of doing his job as a journalist, he, in a serious lapse in judgement, engaged in an argument with the guards that caused enough commotion to be noticed from the stage. The only surprising aspect of this joke is that some here defend NN's behaviour and journalistic ethics. He chose to become a combatant for one side in the political quarreling in Thailand and lost every right to claim protection as "neutral" observer.

There are several good reasons why Suthep is not showing up at the red stadium and Jatuporn does not loiter around the anti-government protest site. But they require a minimum amount of intelligence and simple sound judgement, abilities that NN seems to be sadly lacking. He apparently still believes that he, per se, is entitled to free roaming simply because his CV says "journalist".

NN asked for it and he got it.

[gemini81]

He decided to step in to the pit. Stop going in there and trying to identify with them, as a non-Thai, there is nothing in it for you, and only a one-sided bias report. Cruisin' for a bruisin' he was.

Edited November 26, 2013 by gemini81

[Scott]

A large number of posts have been deleted along with replies. Some posts have been edited. Please exercise discretion in your comments and stay on topic.

[DocN]

...aaaahhhh...TV's best at their best!

I am not a racist, but...those stupid people from Isan...

I am not saying she deserved to be raped, but...getting drunk with a man and wearing that dress...

I am not saying he deserved to be beaten, but...he is biased, so....

[MikeOboe57]

...aaaahhhh...TV's best at their best!

I am not a racist, but...those stupid people from Isan...

I am not saying she deserved to be raped, but...getting drunk with a man and wearing that dress...

I am not saying he deserved to be beaten, but...he is biased, so....

Dear DocN,

let me explain it to you in simple terms.

As an apparent fan of a certain football club in Hamburg would you accept a referee that has publicly announced that your favourite club should be kicked out of the league by all means possible, who praises your opponents in the upcoming match, predicts their victory and spreads his opinions throughout internet forums?

Of course you would.

[GrantSmith]

...aaaahhhh...TV's best at their best!

I am not a racist, but...those stupid people from Isan...

I am not saying she deserved to be raped, but...getting drunk with a man and wearing that dress...

I am not saying he deserved to be beaten, but...he is biased, so....

 

Dear DocN,

 

let me explain it to you in simple terms.

 

As an apparent fan of a certain football club in Hamburg would you accept a referee that has publicly announced that your favourite club should be kicked out of the league by all means possible, who praises your opponents in the upcoming match, predicts their victory and spreads his opinions throughout internet forums?

 

Of course you would.

 

Mike, I dared say DocN was being sarcastic...

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[MikeOboe57]

...aaaahhhh...TV's best at their best!

I am not a racist, but...those stupid people from Isan...

I am not saying she deserved to be raped, but...getting drunk with a man and wearing that dress...

I am not saying he deserved to be beaten, but...he is biased, so....

Dear DocN,

let me explain it to you in simple terms.

As an apparent fan of a certain football club in Hamburg would you accept a referee that has publicly announced that your favourite club should be kicked out of the league by all means possible, who praises your opponents in the upcoming match, predicts their victory and spreads his opinions throughout internet forums?

Of course you would.

Mike, I dared say DocN was being sarcastic...

Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

If he really was I offer my apologies. But it is very difficult to detect.

[newcomer71]

One day that sad truth is going to dawn, their are no heroes here, John Wayne is going to ride in to the rescue and clean things up. Both sides employ very questionable tactics. More than that the ultra national yellow crowd out there is not my friend. They do not like the western expats - Why in gods name should I like them, or support such a group.??? in their undemocratic attempts to dissolve a goverment elected at the polls??

You entirely get the point here LomSak27.

As an expat living in a foreign country, I can just comment, but sure I wouldn't get either of two sides, as both have very dark backgrounds.

But sure, to live in a country where their superhero Suthep hates foreigners (despite the fact that brings lots of money to the country due to tourism and economic investments) rules, makes me simply shiver. I really wonder, how can anyone get yellow or red sides...

And it's a joke talk democracy with either sides. They both don't know what does the word "Democracy" means.

The only hope for this country is a revolution yes, but not lead from such elite... Ergo: no hopes. Whoever will be in charge will only care nothing about Thai people. Only care their power and their pockets.

What I can say is: before it's too late, I am evaluating job offers from other countries where can live relatively close to my wife's country and be treated as a human being, not like an object, useful only because has money...

[dunque]

I certainly hope that some posters on here would be magnanimous enough to post their same comments regarding NN if he were a reporter with an anti-government stance who got a bit of a slap after being identified from a pro-government stage by a PTP MP.

Ah, irrelevant whataboutery - took its time...

[DocN]

...aaaahhhh...TV's best at their best!

I am not a racist, but...those stupid people from Isan...

I am not saying she deserved to be raped, but...getting drunk with a man and wearing that dress...

I am not saying he deserved to be beaten, but...he is biased, so....

Dear DocN,

let me explain it to you in simple terms.

As an apparent fan of a certain football club in Hamburg would you accept a referee that has publicly announced that your favourite club should be kicked out of the league by all means possible, who praises your opponents in the upcoming match, predicts their victory and spreads his opinions throughout internet forums?

Of course you would.

Dear Mike

let me ask you a simple question: in what way is that "journalist" like a referee (e.g. an important, if not game- deciding figure)?

[Insight]

Well... anyway, I think it's fair to say Jim Taylor must've lost it at some point because his 90s pieces on Thailand are pretty good. Incidentally, if you think Nick is partisan, it's worth bearing in mind he's had very public arguments with Jim Taylor, and Andrew Spooner, both of whom are clearly partisan - and in the latter case may actually be employed by Robert Amsterdam. Yet neither of them consider Nick 'red' enough. I think Jim disagreed with Nick because Nick insisted the 'men in black' existed and that he'd encountered them several times. Jim, of course, thought all that was all an 'amaat propaganda trick'. Some people are too far gone to see sense, I guess.

So because people engage in debate (or full blown arguments) with people who could be described as politically aligned, they therefore must be non-partisan? And we should forget about the 100's of posts made by NN, on NM, here and elsewhere suggesting otherwise...?

You know as well as I do that Andrew Spoooooner could well be described as "paranoid" (to put it very mildly), and is prepared to fire off any accusation - maybe it's just for the attention. Only yesterday he was accusing BP of having a hidden agenda with the Dems. For real.

Edited November 26, 2013 by Insight

[Insight]

I think Suthep could now be overstepping the mark by invading buildings.

There. I said it. Can I be viewed as neutral now please?

[Emptyset]

Well... anyway, I think it's fair to say Jim Taylor must've lost it at some point because his 90s pieces on Thailand are pretty good. Incidentally, if you think Nick is partisan, it's worth bearing in mind he's had very public arguments with Jim Taylor, and Andrew Spooner, both of whom are clearly partisan - and in the latter case may actually be employed by Robert Amsterdam. Yet neither of them consider Nick 'red' enough. I think Jim disagreed with Nick because Nick insisted the 'men in black' existed and that he'd encountered them several times. Jim, of course, thought all that was all an 'amaat propaganda trick'. Some people are too far gone to see sense, I guess.

So because people engage in debate (or full blown arguments) with people who could be described as politically aligned, they therefore must be non-partisan? And we should forget about the 100's of posts made by NN, on NM, here and elsewhere suggesting otherwise...?

Not at all. My only point is that if he did want to defend the reds at all costs, what business would he have arguing with the likes of Jim Taylor and Mr. Spooner that the men in black did in fact exist, and did fire upon the military?

[Scott]

Stop the nonsensical arguments and stay on the topic.

[rubl]

Well how often do we hear THE RED THUGS, so now what have you got to say? try there is good and bad in all, that would be a start guy's

Nick highlighted himself by arguing with the guards, an act of stupidity and arrogance. "Mr. Nostitz said he was arguing with the protest guards when he was spotted by former Democrat MP Chumpon Junsai, who pointed his finger to Mr. Nostitz, accused him of being a "Redshirt reporter", and urged the crowd to evict him from the protest site."

However, like you said "there are good and bad in all", "Some volunteer guards of the protest were seen trying to defend Mr. Nostitz, while others tried to charge at him, before a group of police officers intervened and rescued him from the crowd."

NN's posts in here always showed a degree of bias, despite his claims to the contrary.

If this incident played out as quoted above, he has gone beyond a journalist with a hint of bias, to an antagonist with an agenda.

Luckily for him, he didn't walk in to the tiger cage with a pork chop, he walked in to the rabbit warren with a carrot.

I expect that the larger of his bruises will be on his ego.

I'm wondering about the

"Speaking to our correspondent later, Mr. Nostitz said he was arguing with the protest guards when he was spotted by former Democrat MP Chumpon Junsai, who pointed his finger to Mr. Nostitz, accused him of being a "Redshirt reporter", and urged the crowd to evict him from the protest site. The photojournalist was promptly assaulted by the crowd."

I thought photojournalists would be wise not to argue while trying to cover a protest?

[DocN]

Well how often do we hear THE RED THUGS, so now what have you got to say? try there is good and bad in all, that would be a start guy's

Nick highlighted himself by arguing with the guards, an act of stupidity and arrogance. "Mr. Nostitz said he was arguing with the protest guards when he was spotted by former Democrat MP Chumpon Junsai, who pointed his finger to Mr. Nostitz, accused him of being a "Redshirt reporter", and urged the crowd to evict him from the protest site."

However, like you said "there are good and bad in all", "Some volunteer guards of the protest were seen trying to defend Mr. Nostitz, while others tried to charge at him, before a group of police officers intervened and rescued him from the crowd."

NN's posts in here always showed a degree of bias, despite his claims to the contrary.

If this incident played out as quoted above, he has gone beyond a journalist with a hint of bias, to an antagonist with an agenda.

Luckily for him, he didn't walk in to the tiger cage with a pork chop, he walked in to the rabbit warren with a carrot.

I expect that the larger of his bruises will be on his ego.

I'm wondering about the

"Speaking to our correspondent later, Mr. Nostitz said he was arguing with the protest guards when he was spotted by former Democrat MP Chumpon Junsai, who pointed his finger to Mr. Nostitz, accused him of being a "Redshirt reporter", and urged the crowd to evict him from the protest site. The photojournalist was promptly assaulted by the crowd."

I thought photojournalists would be wise not to argue while trying to cover a protest?

We don't know, what he "argued" about, do we?

...oh...I better stop now, before I get accused of defending the "Reds" again...

[Scott]

Inflammatory post deleted.

[jaidam]

This will be the third time that a foreigner has crossed the line and become an active participant or activist/agent provocateur at a political rally. The usual procedure for them, quite rightly, is deportation and blacklist which allows them to cool down and regain their composure in their home countries. Jeff Savage, Connor Purcell and now Mr. Nostitz. So long and farewell.

[Nickymaster]

Nick highlighted himself by arguing with the guards, an act of stupidity and arrogance. "Mr. Nostitz said he was arguing with the protest guards when he was spotted by former Democrat MP Chumpon Junsai, who pointed his finger to Mr. Nostitz, accused him of being a "Redshirt reporter", and urged the crowd to evict him from the protest site."

However, like you said "there are good and bad in all", "Some volunteer guards of the protest were seen trying to defend Mr. Nostitz, while others tried to charge at him, before a group of police officers intervened and rescued him from the crowd."

NN's posts in here always showed a degree of bias, despite his claims to the contrary.

If this incident played out as quoted above, he has gone beyond a journalist with a hint of bias, to an antagonist with an agenda.

Luckily for him, he didn't walk in to the tiger cage with a pork chop, he walked in to the rabbit warren with a carrot.

I expect that the larger of his bruises will be on his ego.

I'm wondering about the

"Speaking to our correspondent later, Mr. Nostitz said he was arguing with the protest guards when he was spotted by former Democrat MP Chumpon Junsai, who pointed his finger to Mr. Nostitz, accused him of being a "Redshirt reporter", and urged the crowd to evict him from the protest site. The photojournalist was promptly assaulted by the crowd."

I thought photojournalists would be wise not to argue while trying to cover a protest?

We don't know, what he "argued" about, do we?

...oh...I better stop now, before I get accused of defending the "Reds" again...

I agree. Let's wait for Nick's side of the story. After our self proclaimed street politics expert has recovered from his injuries he might kindly share his experience here on TV.

Edited November 26, 2013 by Nickymaster

[pistachios]

Where can I see the writings of this Nick Noztits fellow? I'm quite intersted to see how he could support the reds. I have been following thai news for a few years now and I have pretty much never seen any newspaper article, blog or forum post that didn't depicted Pheu Thai as completly clueless or borderline retarded.

[Wat dee]

Reading through the posts it has become very clear that the hardcore Red Shirt/PT/Thaksin lovers agree with Nick's views. The rest don't.

Reading through the posts it has become very clear that the hardcore yellow disagree wt Nick's views.

The rest don't.

[Thaddeus]

Reading through the posts it has become very clear that the hardcore Red Shirt/PT/Thaksin lovers agree with Nick's views. The rest don't.

Reading through the posts it has become very clear that the hardcore yellow disagree wt Nick's views.

The rest don't.

But, as has been pointed out many times already, non-red doesn't automatically mean yellow.

[gerry1011]

I think Suthep could now be overstepping the mark by invading buildings.

There. I said it. Can I be viewed as neutral now please?

Too late

You have now been automatically categorized by the highly respected (some of them even respectful) Thaivisa career posters as a brainwashed supporter of the ugliest regime in the world and its poor, uneducated, criminal red thugs

Good luck to get rid of your new reputation. The people on this forum are not the most reasonable ones.

But don't worry. Even with such a new (and sticking) reputation, ... you can still enjoy their company and, sometimes, even have a good laugh with some posts!

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[DrDweeb]

Reading through the posts it has become very clear that the hardcore Red Shirt/PT/Thaksin lovers agree with Nick's views. The rest don't.

Reading through the posts it has become very clear that the hardcore yellow disagree wt Nick's views.

The rest don't.

But, as has been pointed out many times already, non-red doesn't automatically mean yellow.

... and the fact that this has to be pointed out constantly (and the reverse), is indicative of the intellectual capability, not to say grasp of logic, that pervades the debate.

If I coherently argue against X, responding that Y is worse/the same/different is irrelevant.

Me: I don't like Kool-Aid because it tastes funny and is synthetic.

You: Damned PAD supporter.

Me: ?

You get the idea.

While I am here, I will add that I am not at all sympathetic to NN and his patently transparent protestations of impartiality. He is a typical "useful idiot" for the PTP cause, and he is not even very good at it. The rhetorical and argumentive techniques he regularly employs are quite obvious, and his constant protestations of impartiality belie his actual political stance and the message that pervades his writings.

It would appear in this case, on the balance of the reports, that he did something rather foolish and escaped with the skin still on his nose. Perhaps provocation is his normal MO, I don't know. In any case, NN has an astonishing belief in his own importance in this whole Thai saga. It would appear from his writings that he actually thinks that he is an important player in events (a modern day John reed?). His ego has gotten* a bit carried away with itself, and there has now been a consequence. Perhaps that is a good thing, both for NN and the debate in general.

*sorry, I know there is no pp of got but I wrote myself into a corner.

[Outlaws]

You will never know the truth, This mob support a dictatorship so it is hard to imagine them ever admitting thet were in the wrong