Yingluck tearfully insists to stay on as caretaker PM

[TVGerry]

Pictures or video of tears or it did not happen!

Did it really happen?

Pathetic. If you can't handle the pressure, a PM's job isn't for you. Go back to your Hermes shopping.

[Tawng]

Second, I am a democrat who accepts the vote of the majority

Actually, the majority chose not to vote for Yingluck. PT won a majority in parliament from less than 50% of cast votes. She has, therefore, never represented the majority.

[Spare]

Did the "democrats" not abuse power once they were installed by the Army coup?

Could the country move forward if the majority of the voters don't feel represented in a forcefully installed new government, what ever you call it?

Getting put in power through a coup is no licence at all

Nope... I don't think they did abuse their power. can you give us specific incidents?

I am sure you mean abuse of power at least slightly in comparison with the huge abuses of power from This Thaksin government.

Be very interesting for someone from your side of the fence to highlight how bad the Dems were.

Please do not bother using the same old BS about robbing the poor to pay the rich, unless of course you can go into explicit details as to how they have done this.... It will be a first time explanation, because nobody else has actually been able to explain that same old rubbish with any details at all.

Something for you to read:

http://asiancorrespondent.com/49900/thailands-palm-oil-crisis-mr-s-strikes-again/

And no, it's not a race where who stolen less will win. If we need to clean this country we need someone that is not prone to STEAL!

No Shins, no Suthep, no other corrupt politicians, no other puppets.

P.s.: it would be so easy to accept both sides are so disgustingly corrupted and both sides just wants to appear as angels...

Suthep was innocent.

He was is and will always be a clean non corruptible guy.

He was a scrape-goat smear by Thaksin.

[JRSoul]

I have a few questions.

How many crimes can you actually pin on her? Being an incompetent, installed PM is not a crime!

So we all agree that Thaksin broke laws and others profitted from him- can you seriously condemn every single family-member and tell them to leave the country? On what base?

We all know, there is vote buying and corruption involved in the elections and we all know (even if some still deny that) that it is done on either side. But what do you actually say to an Isan- farmer (who may or may not have sold his vote) about why his voice will never be heard and his vote does not count for sh1t? (Voted for TRT...coup...voted for Samak- party gets dissolved, voting for Somchai- PAD occupies airports, voted for PTP- mass protests...and with all of that, he only hears, that he is too stupid to vote.

I guess, to say that I am not pro- Thaksin doesn't make any sense, as anyone asking anything of the Democrat- followers, that might be controversial is per se pro- Thaksin...but I am really interested!

Did you hear anything from Suthep, that sounds like a plan? Or isn't it rather a lot of white noise?

And since we are mainly farang here: you have heard of his stance on farangs, haven't you?!

...just curious...

How many crimes? Perjury (for starters), misleading parliament, conflict of interest corruption in policies pandering to her brother and profiting from other policies, selling her vote to a fugitive criminal, allowing a fugitive criminal access to cabinet meetings and possibly profiting from his insider knowledge business activities - enough?

I could also add mangling the English language, impersonating a politician, attempted solicitation of a US president, and various offences under the Fashion Police Act.

Edited December 10, 2013 by JRSoul

[Rob8891]

Justice for the Shins? The first step is for Big Bro to fulfill his reservation at the Bangkok Hilton...

[newcomer71]

 

 

Did the "democrats" not abuse power once they were installed by the Army coup?

Could the country move forward if the majority of the voters don't feel represented in a forcefully installed new government, what ever you call it?

 

Getting put in power through a coup is no licence at all

 

 

Nope... I don't think they did abuse their power. can you give us specific incidents?

 

I am sure you mean abuse of power at least slightly in comparison with the huge abuses of power from This Thaksin government.

 

Be very interesting for someone from your side of the fence to highlight how bad the Dems were.

 

Please do not bother using the same old BS about robbing the poor to pay the rich, unless of course you can go into explicit details as to how they have done this.... It will be a first time explanation, because nobody else has actually been able to explain that same old rubbish with any details at all.

 

 

Something for you to read:

http://asiancorrespondent.com/49900/thailands-palm-oil-crisis-mr-s-strikes-again/

And no, it's not a race where who stolen less will win. If we need to clean this country we need someone that is not prone to STEAL!

No Shins, no Suthep, no other corrupt politicians, no other puppets.

 

P.s.: it would be so easy to accept both sides are so disgustingly corrupted and both sides just wants to appear as angels...

 

 

Suthep was innocent.

He was is and will always be a clean non corruptible guy.

He was a scrape-goat smear by Thaksin.

Nice joke

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[Dogmatix]

Tears of defiance because she can't have absolutely everything she wants. Not a hint of remorse or acceptance that she and her dreadful brother are entirely responsible for all the problems they have caused for the country.

If she tried to think why so many people now hate her and her family, she might be able to figure out how she could retreat further. Go to Dubai and take her sister, brother-in-law and cousin with her for a few years.

Edited December 10, 2013 by Dogmatix

[whybother]

Did the "democrats" not abuse power once they were installed by the Army coup?

Could the country move forward if the majority of the voters don't feel represented in a forcefully installed new government, what ever you call it?

Getting put in power through a coup is no licence at all

Two questions:

- When were the Democrats installed by an Army coup?

- When did the Democrats abuse power?

[Thait Spot]

Imelda turns on the waterworks

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[JRSoul]

Justice for the Shins? The first step is for Big Bro to fulfill his reservation at the Bangkok Hilton...

No no no Rob. PTP have set up a luxury jail for political office holders and various important red shirts in the unlikely eventuality that Jatuporn and friends ever finally get convicted. Not that a conviction is in doubt, but the cases will be delayed to eternity. My bet is Jatuporn and Arisman will both be given party list seats for just this reason.

[Dogmatix]

Pictures or video of tears or it did not happen!

Did it really happen?

Pathetic. If you can't handle the pressure, a PM's job isn't for you. Go back to your Hermes shopping.

Defiant foot stamping of a 14 year old girl told she can't have another Channel handbag.

[whybother]

RT @tulsathit: YL: I've backed off. I've basically agreed to everything. Why is it getting to the family? Can't we live on this land? -@jeerapong_nna

Yes. You can live on this land. The protesters just don't want you to be in power. Is it really that hard to understand?

[Neurath]

Seeking re-election is the top of shameless....

Why should she NOT seek re-election? What is wrong about that? If she can get a majority of votes - whether bought or not - it is then the obvious choice of the majority of the Thai voters to say "we don't care about being ripped off, we don't care about having a corrupt government, we don't care about her brother being a criminal on the run".

The problem is purely with the opposition parties who are unable to convince voters that they would be better off with voting for them.

Why should she NOT seek re-election?

She's incompetent to begin with...

Well, you can find a lot of democracies with incompetent prime ministers... BUT...

if the electorate still gives her a majority of the votes, knowing about the incompetence, accepting money to vote for her and if the opposition parties can not convince the electorate / the voters to change their mine...

then Thailand gets her again as PM and then they deserve what the voted for... that is democracy

Learning to stomach, being able to stomach, what you truly detest because your fellow citizens voted for it - for a sure a major component. If you've not got a stomach for that, you've not got a stomach for democratic institutions and practices. The idea that you can or must rid a polity of that which you hate in order have 'true' democracy, is just to say that you don't know what democracy is for OR what it is.

Edited December 10, 2013 by Neurath

[Swiss1960]

Did the "democrats" not abuse power once they were installed by the Army coup?

Could the country move forward if the majority of the voters don't feel represented in a forcefully installed new government, what ever you call it?

Getting put in power through a coup is no licence at all

Two questions:

- When were the Democrats installed by an Army coup?

- When did the Democrats abuse power?

Maybe you want to read a little about the recent party history here on Wiki?

[rogerdee123]

I am sick of the pro-TS here keep only pointing at Suthep. What if today the person is not Suthep who want to overthrow the TS regime? What if he is only a Thai common citizen? What have you got to say?? After questions about the corruptions, problems and responsibilties,trying to above the law. Doesn't YL as the elected PM has any role to play?? SHe need not give any answer??? Dodging here and there. She HERSELF should have feel bloody shamed and volunteer to quit her PM position.

Some people may say whoever in-charge ,corruption is still around.

No change, means thing is done. Forever in TS regime, corrupted, citizens having hard life.

Try to change, may have chances to have a new corrupted free nation. It is very hard but slowly start better than no start.

I personally believe after this time protest, Suthep himself will aware that power is still belong to the Thai people and they will unite and come out together to kick your ass out if you are doing harm to their country and their beloved Supreme leader (i do not mean Suthep). Suthep is not a dumbass either. He will not want to become same like TS, hated by so many own Thai fellow people. After this Suthep will take the corruption seriously (I personally believe). You may call me naive.

NO change, everything same same

Try change, may have something no same.

Why not give a change?

Cheers~

Let them keep focusing on Suthep. It just shows how little they know about what really matters, i.e. who holds power, the opposition and politics here. In any case, that is Suthep's role in being the face and leading these protests. They want the focus to be on him rather than others who may be of more significance in the next election.

[Old Man River]

Add to it:

if she really was in charge, why would she give a new passport to her criminally convicted brother, just 10 weeks after becoming PM?

Why would she hardly ever attend Parliamentary meetings?

Really, I guess the list could go on and on and on.

[mojorison]

She said she also had feeling same as those at the protests but would like that they should not accuse all members of the Shinawtra family.

Justice/fairness for the Shinawatra family can only come about after her brother returns to serve the sentence imposed him by the Thai courts.

And then do you honestly believe everything will be okay? Once the yellows grand excuse for everything returns and does his penance, they still will be inept and unable to form a government by the book without the help of some cockamamie southern gun-slinger to help out with the "details"... Thailand is awaiting a sea change. And it will come in the fullness of time.

[Nibbles48]

Get rid of vote buying and the Dems will walk the next election.

This is how Yingluck, the PTP must look like by the Isaan voters...

The failed rice scheme,

The crap handling of the flood management money with zero effect,

The rice farmers still waiting for money,

The huge debt burden on the poor (PTP voters with no extra income to service it),

The tablets for school kids that are all now broken,

The 15,000 a month minimum wage promise for all holders of bachelor degrees which was changed to 'government workers only' after they got power, and almost all (on minimum wage) still only getting an average of 8,500 a month.

The absolute disaster that was the amnesty bill.

The framing of Abhisit and Suthep to take the rap for the 90 slayings with total indifference for getting the real perpetrators, which will end up with Abhisit and Sutheo walking free, and the case closed with zero convictions now that the government have declared the guilty were the two at the top and cleansed everyone else from the investigation..... All because they wanted amnesty for Thaksin.

I could go on and on.

But one thing remains, make sure that not a single voter gets so much as a single baht from elections, and they then need to use their minds for once. The reds couldn't even drum up support for the government over the protests unless they paid for it......lol

Like I said... The Dems will walk away with it.

For those of you on the red boat... Answer this when you chime in... If the Dems have not won an election in 21 years, then can you explain why those in the north are still skint and having to rely on food handouts from the UNESCO world food program? So what has PTP and Thaksin actually done for the north apart from a cash handout at strategic times.

[Arkady]

I sense a re-run of 2006 coming up. The Democrats might decide to save their money and opt out of the next election completely, arguing that they don't want to waste their time as the Parliamentary opposition throwing papers and chairs around, if there has been no reform of the constitution to enforce much better governance. That would cause problems in constituencies where only one candidate is fielded and can't poll 20% of the votes and Parliament, when it can eventually convene will look like a one party sate, even to Jonathan Head. The Decomocrats would then have nothing to do but lead protests. There was Constitutional Court ruling in 2006 that parties don't have a legal obligation to field any candiadates, after the Thaksin party tried to get them dissolved for that. PT will have to pay the red shirt followers to show up at the polling booths even without opposition and stand a good chance of getting caught and dissolved. No risk to the Democrats, if the don't bother to contest the elections.

[Smokemachine]

I think your biased one way. doesnt matter about suthep or any ordinary common thai citizen. u either want democracy or you dont. the population of 65 million people have a say in this. not 200,000 following suthep. Elections are the way. If the democrats had policies that encourage a bigger swing towards them then they would be government. Lets consider all parties were vote buying in the last election.

Thais will ultimately cry murder if they return to a dictatorship. Voters numbers count in a democracy

I am sick of the pro-TS here keep only pointing at Suthep. What if today the person is not Suthep who want to overthrow the TS regime? What if he is only a Thai common citizen? What have you got to say?? After questions about the corruptions, problems and responsibilties,trying to above the law. Doesn't YL as the elected PM has any role to play?? SHe need not give any answer??? Dodging here and there. She HERSELF should have feel bloody shamed and volunteer to quit her PM position.

Some people may say whoever in-charge ,corruption is still around.

No change, means thing is done. Forever in TS regime, corrupted, citizens having hard life.

Try to change, may have chances to have a new corrupted free nation. It is very hard but slowly start better than no start.

I personally believe after this time protest, Suthep himself will aware that power is still belong to the Thai people and they will unite and come out together to kick your ass out if you are doing harm to their country and their beloved Supreme leader (i do not mean Suthep). Suthep is not a dumbass either. He will not want to become same like TS, hated by so many own Thai fellow people. After this Suthep will take the corruption seriously (I personally believe). You may call me naive.

NO change, everything same same

Try change, may have something no same.

Why not give a change?

Cheers~

You all keep using 'Democracy'. TS and the red shirts keep using DEMOCRACY. So the current so called democracy ,how useful for the thai people?any benefits? WHat has this DEMOCRACY has help us so far?

The word DEMOCRACY hear very nice but does it really help thai people? When this word DEMOCRACY used is only benefits for the corrupted individuals, then why we need democracy? WHere dictatorship may infact helps the nation.

[kkerry]

Have the democrats and their allies ever stopped for a moment to think how all the effort and money spent on rallies and civil disruption might be better invested in coming up with a new offer to present to the Thai people? Clearly, despite corruption in this and previous governments the Thai voting public still refuse to vote in a democrat supported government. Perhaps it's time for the democrats to take a long, hard look at their own platform so they might understand what it is that prevents them gaining power via elections. Just because someone thinks they know what is best for everyone else doesn't mean everyone else is going to see it that way.

[DrTuner]

She must have a supply of fresh onions stacked somewhere in her dress.

[Thaddeus]

I have a few questions.

How many crimes can you actually pin on her? Being an incompetent, installed PM is not a crime!

Having the ability to prevent a crime from happening, knowing that it is happening, and just standing idly to one side.

Is a crime.

[whybother]

Did the "democrats" not abuse power once they were installed by the Army coup?

Could the country move forward if the majority of the voters don't feel represented in a forcefully installed new government, what ever you call it?

Getting put in power through a coup is no licence at all

Two questions:

- When were the Democrats installed by an Army coup?

- When did the Democrats abuse power?

Maybe you want to read a little about the recent party history here on Wiki?

Maybe you can point out the parts about being installed by an army coup and their abuse of power. You are talking about the last 20 years aren't you?

[HyperRai]

I wonder why so many people in Thailand want to dispose the democracy. It`s only because of democracy can not fill their pockets!

[Old Man River]

I sense a re-run of 2006 coming up. The Democrats might decide to save their money and opt out of the next election completely, arguing that they don't want to waste their time as the Parliamentary opposition throwing papers and chairs around, if there has been no reform of the constitution to enforce much better governance. That would cause problems in constituencies where only one candidate is fielded and can't poll 20% of the votes and Parliament, when it can eventually convene will look like a one party sate, even to Jonathan Head. The Decomocrats would then have nothing to do but lead protests. There was Constitutional Court ruling in 2006 that parties don't have a legal obligation to field any candiadates, after the Thaksin party tried to get them dissolved for that. PT will have to pay the red shirt followers to show up at the polling booths even without opposition and stand a good chance of getting caught and dissolved. No risk to the Democrats, if the don't bother to contest the elections.

What will be most interesting is if the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) criminally convicts all 312 former MP's. That decision should be coming up soon? What then?

[Spare]

Pictures or video of tears or it did not happen!

Don´t you know how to google?

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/384095/refuses-to-resign-caretaker-premiership

Smoke get in her eye.

Smoke from the tear gas, I am quite sure.

[metisdead]

A post containing a link to Bangkok Post has been removed, read rule 31 in the following link:

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[rogerdee123]

I used to have a girlfriend who (like Yings) would resort to tears when she couldn't get her way or would lose an argument .... and if that didn't work she would start wearing revealing clothes .... hmmmmm .... food for thought

[DLock]

Whats with all these Newbies that have only read the latest chapter and missed out of the first 3 volumes?