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TDRI proposes disposal of rotten pledged rice

BANGKOK, 17 December 2013 (NNT) – The Thailand Development Research Institute (TDRI) has proposed that a new government issue a law requiring warehouse owners to burn rotten pledged rice found in their silos, in order to prevent corruption in the scheme.


The TDRI also pointed out the upcoming government can discard the rice pledging program, but the process must be done gradually, otherwise rice prices would drop sharply.

Mr. Nipon Puapongsakorn, a TDRI honorary member, made the comments at a recent seminar on 'Future of Thai rice in the Global Arena', organized by the Thai Rice Foundation under the Royal Patronage.

He stated that the new government needs to urgently examine the amount of stockpiled rice, saying without the exact figure of rice in store, the country would have to unnecessarily spend higher amount of money on maintenance and face depressed prices for the whole stock. He also said that the lack of reliable pledged rice inspections would likely attract corruption.

Thus, he advised the government to check the stockpiled rice both in lists and in silos, to ensure the accuracy of the data which would be used to formulate an efficient rice clearance plan.

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So they're admitting that no-one knows how much rice is stored in Thailand? I guess that explains the varying figures of 10 million to 17 million tons that various people mention!

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Who are this outfit anyway, don't they understand the minister has just said it is all going to be sold ?

And whats with this silos business isn't most of it in warehouses?

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Better the government lose a few billion on a pledging scheme than 30 million rice farmers lose money on each harvest. Imagine if there were 30 plus million rice farmers protesting losing money on each crop. It costs them more to grow rice than the farmers would make without government buying it. Lets think again, 30 million farmers with no income for two years just loses from growing rice. They would protest in mass and burn the country to the ground.

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BANGKOK, 17 December 2013 (NNT) – The Ministry of Agriculture and Cooperatives predicts that Thailand will export 7 million tons of rice next year, while rice production in the country will be as high as 38 million tons.

This from the other humorous thread. Export 7 million tons out of god only knows how many million tons already in storage

PLUS "rice production in the country will be as high as 38 million tons.

Thailand, drowning in an ocean of rice and millions in the world starving to death. "Well, let 'em die"!

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So they're admitting that no-one knows how much rice is stored in Thailand? I guess that explains the varying figures of 10 million to 17 million tons that various people mention!

Yeah something like those numbers. The PTP is sweating their balls to pay off the farmers for all their rice now rotting in storage and the farmers are about to start a new crop.

Define insane? PTP's rice pledging and ex pats who came here to live because it too was was so beguiling at first sight.

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BANGKOK, 17 December 2013 (NNT) – The Ministry of Agriculture and Cooperatives predicts that Thailand will export 7 million tons of rice next year, while rice production in the country will be as high as 38 million tons.

This from the other humorous thread. Export 7 million tons out of god only knows how many million tons already in storage

PLUS "rice production in the country will be as high as 38 million tons.

Thailand, drowning in an ocean of rice and millions in the world starving to death. "Well, let 'em die"!

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Thailand consumes about 20 million tons of rice a year and normally produces before the pledging scheme 28 million tons. How did 10 million extra tons appear? With this math that would mean they are storing 18 million tons a year that the government will have 32 million tons by the end of this years harvest.

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The first requirement should be the repayment to the AG bank for the orginal cost, storage, treatment, handling, etc for the bad rice. How does the man deduct that burning will prevent further corruption?

We have already had the Interior Ministery (Chalerm) send police to mills and storage facilities, Commerce Ministry (Naratt) order video recording devices installed, inspection of all storage facilities,, etc, The Finance Ministry (Kittyrat) ordered sampling of rice for quality and the PM (Yingluk) eating a bowl of untainted rice

Where else can Mr. Nipon suggest we look for manpower to inspect the 2900 storage facilities of which 90+_ were already on government blacklist when they were awarded contracts? Some have been reported to already have had fires, floods, and others probably never existed. The man, Mr. Nipon , may be somewhat out of his league in graft busting on this bunch or their elected/appointed replacements

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Better the government lose a few billion on a pledging scheme than 30 million rice farmers lose money on each harvest. Imagine if there were 30 plus million rice farmers protesting losing money on each crop. It costs them more to grow rice than the farmers would make without government buying it. Lets think again, 30 million farmers with no income for two years just loses from growing rice. They would protest in mass and burn the country to the ground.

So you claim that about 75% of the adult population of Thailand in engaged in rice farming? I think you better check your facts, the government states 6 million are involved in rice farming and 600,000,000,000 baht has been lost so far. What does that do to your assumptions?

Okay I took as all those from Issan are rice farmers. Where I live everyone in the family goes out to the rice fields to help not just a single person per farm but the whole family even the youngest children. Issan being 20,000,000 people and rice is not only grown in Issan. So my number was high but 6,000,000 is too low. Maybe 6,000,000 farms but there are more farmers than farms.

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Better the government lose a few billion on a pledging scheme than 30 million rice farmers lose money on each harvest. Imagine if there were 30 plus million rice farmers protesting losing money on each crop. It costs them more to grow rice than the farmers would make without government buying it. Lets think again, 30 million farmers with no income for two years just loses from growing rice. They would protest in mass and burn the country to the ground.

Who told you there were 30 million people farming rice in Thailand??

Get your facts right.

Also, nobody tells them to farm rice, they choose to do it, who helps the garlic farmer or the palm oil farmer when they discovered they made a boo boo by choosing their preferred crop?

There are literally hundreds of crops that can be farmed and money made without having to take the simple LAZY route of plant and forget, then beg huge returns from the tax payer.

Thaksin and his ill thought out policies has taken Thailand's second largest industry after tourism, and wrecked it by offering out freely the tax payer's money to buy votes. Thailand was the biggest global exporter, and if farmers were not making money, they should not have planted rice, and chosen something else instead. But they just don't want to work hard, so why should anyone care.

Thaksin has ended up shafting them, and prices will fall through the floor when eventually this scam is closed off. Then maybe millions of these farmers will realize and go and plant something that they CAN make money from, especially to cover the huge debts they have incurred when they took out all those loans, credit cards and new cars and homes all riding on 'rice is gonna pay'.

Well.... now we all know that it isn't.

30,000,000 or 20,000,000 million Issan families, the point was the total number but what do you think the protest will be like when all the rice farmers have no income. Remember the rubber tappers?

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Better the government lose a few billion on a pledging scheme than 30 million rice farmers lose money on each harvest. Imagine if there were 30 plus million rice farmers protesting losing money on each crop. It costs them more to grow rice than the farmers would make without government buying it. Lets think again, 30 million farmers with no income for two years just loses from growing rice. They would protest in mass and burn the country to the ground.

Who told you there were 30 million people farming rice in Thailand??

Get your facts right.

Also, nobody tells them to farm rice, they choose to do it, who helps the garlic farmer or the palm oil farmer when they discovered they made a boo boo by choosing their preferred crop?

There are literally hundreds of crops that can be farmed and money made without having to take the simple LAZY route of plant and forget, then beg huge returns from the tax payer.

Thaksin and his ill thought out policies has taken Thailand's second largest industry after tourism, and wrecked it by offering out freely the tax payer's money to buy votes. Thailand was the biggest global exporter, and if farmers were not making money, they should not have planted rice, and chosen something else instead. But they just don't want to work hard, so why should anyone care.

Thaksin has ended up shafting them, and prices will fall through the floor when eventually this scam is closed off. Then maybe millions of these farmers will realize and go and plant something that they CAN make money from, especially to cover the huge debts they have incurred when they took out all those loans, credit cards and new cars and homes all riding on 'rice is gonna pay'.

Well.... now we all know that it isn't.

"Also, nobody tells them to farm rice, they choose to do it, who helps the garlic farmer or the palm oil farmer when they discovered they made a boo boo by choosing their preferred crop?"

Well in the case of palm oil it was suthep who helped "them" with the manufactured scarcity of such oil, to raise costs of said oil, which helped his family a great deal.

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Thanks Thaksin for a brilliantly conceived, well executed rice scheme that has benefitted all Thais, made the country wealthy and is the envy of all the world.

PS: Satire

Not quite up to the standard of that other Chinaman's Great Leap Forward but that's what happens when you have policemen and soldiers playing at socio economics.

BTW, satire is not allowed in Thailand. They have comic sound effects machines for that.

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Better the government lose a few billion on a pledging scheme than 30 million rice farmers lose money on each harvest. Imagine if there were 30 plus million rice farmers protesting losing money on each crop. It costs them more to grow rice than the farmers would make without government buying it. Lets think again, 30 million farmers with no income for two years just loses from growing rice. They would protest in mass and burn the country to the ground.

Who told you there were 30 million people farming rice in Thailand??

Get your facts right.

Also, nobody tells them to farm rice, they choose to do it, who helps the garlic farmer or the palm oil farmer when they discovered they made a boo boo by choosing their preferred crop?

There are literally hundreds of crops that can be farmed and money made without having to take the simple LAZY route of plant and forget, then beg huge returns from the tax payer.

Thaksin and his ill thought out policies has taken Thailand's second largest industry after tourism, and wrecked it by offering out freely the tax payer's money to buy votes. Thailand was the biggest global exporter, and if farmers were not making money, they should not have planted rice, and chosen something else instead. But they just don't want to work hard, so why should anyone care.

Thaksin has ended up shafting them, and prices will fall through the floor when eventually this scam is closed off. Then maybe millions of these farmers will realize and go and plant something that they CAN make money from, especially to cover the huge debts they have incurred when they took out all those loans, credit cards and new cars and homes all riding on 'rice is gonna pay'.

Well.... now we all know that it isn't.

30,000,000 or 20,000,000 million Issan families, the point was the total number but what do you think the protest will be like when all the rice farmers have no income. Remember the rubber tappers?

By capping the system to only a certain amount of tonnes per farm and force them to sell the rest on the open market.

By educating them away from rice planting because it is on the way to becoming the most uneconomical crop in Thailand.

By not pampering them into a cushy existence on the back of a rice scam.

Or we can choose the other route. Continue with the scheme till he country is bankrupt and then have the whole 68 million on the rampage.

But the most sensible is to set aside a separate budget for the entire north and northeast, and pay for their rice scheme out of their own budget, and if that means health and education and all the other infrastructure suffers, then that is their problem. It is time they woke up to the reality of what these policies do to their country.

They choose rice, so they choose their own fate.

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"The TDRI also pointed out the upcoming government can discard the rice pledging program, but the process must be done gradually, otherwise rice prices would drop sharply."

Well export prices seem to have dropped to try to sell some at least, but prices in Thailand haven't changed at all.

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BANGKOK, 17 December 2013 (NNT) – The Ministry of Agriculture and Cooperatives predicts that Thailand will export 7 million tons of rice next year, while rice production in the country will be as high as 38 million tons.

This from the other humorous thread. Export 7 million tons out of god only knows how many million tons already in storage

PLUS "rice production in the country will be as high as 38 million tons.

Thailand, drowning in an ocean of rice and millions in the world starving to death. "Well, let 'em die"!

attachicon.gifcras.jpg

Thailand consumes about 20 million tons of rice a year and normally produces before the pledging scheme 28 million tons. How did 10 million extra tons appear? With this math that would mean they are storing 18 million tons a year that the government will have 32 million tons by the end of this years harvest.

20 million tonnes? Wow! If there were 70 million Thais, each person would have to eat 285 kg of rice per year. Not far short of a kilo of rice per day once you take into account the young and the elderly. That's a lot of rice for the 'average' person to eat.

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Better the government lose a few billion on a pledging scheme than 30 million rice farmers lose money on each harvest. Imagine if there were 30 plus million rice farmers protesting losing money on each crop. It costs them more to grow rice than the farmers would make without government buying it. Lets think again, 30 million farmers with no income for two years just loses from growing rice. They would protest in mass and burn the country to the ground.

Aside from the absurd numbers, the basic concept of supporting people because they are putting a great deal of effort into growing something of little value is equally stupid. But you are correct that when the subsidies stop there will be pain and civil unrest. Now, who should we blame for giving those people unrealistic expectations that their uneconomic industry is sustainable?

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BANGKOK, 17 December 2013 (NNT) – The Ministry of Agriculture and Cooperatives predicts that Thailand will export 7 million tons of rice next year, while rice production in the country will be as high as 38 million tons.

This from the other humorous thread. Export 7 million tons out of god only knows how many million tons already in storage

PLUS "rice production in the country will be as high as 38 million tons.

Thailand, drowning in an ocean of rice and millions in the world starving to death. "Well, let 'em die"!

attachicon.gifcras.jpg

Thailand consumes about 20 million tons of rice a year and normally produces before the pledging scheme 28 million tons. How did 10 million extra tons appear? With this math that would mean they are storing 18 million tons a year that the government will have 32 million tons by the end of this years harvest.

Thai consumption of rice is about 10 million tons/year as per google. Production of rice jumped to 33 million ton/year as per world production figures after the rice scam was brought to reality. Then add rice from outside Thailand finding its way across the border, consignment of paddy being entered multiple times, and various other means of "screwing the system" A book could be written on this scam, and it was not even a good scam by criminal mind code of conduct. It was about as subtle as the 'rape of Nangking'

Links to evidence of rice scam

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Better the government lose a few billion on a pledging scheme than 30 million rice farmers lose money on each harvest. Imagine if there were 30 plus million rice farmers protesting losing money on each crop. It costs them more to grow rice than the farmers would make without government buying it. Lets think again, 30 million farmers with no income for two years just loses from growing rice. They would protest in mass and burn the country to the ground.

Who told you there were 30 million people farming rice in Thailand??

Get your facts right.

Also, nobody tells them to farm rice, they choose to do it, who helps the garlic farmer or the palm oil farmer when they discovered they made a boo boo by choosing their preferred crop?

There are literally hundreds of crops that can be farmed and money made without having to take the simple LAZY route of plant and forget, then beg huge returns from the tax payer.

Thaksin and his ill thought out policies has taken Thailand's second largest industry after tourism, and wrecked it by offering out freely the tax payer's money to buy votes. Thailand was the biggest global exporter, and if farmers were not making money, they should not have planted rice, and chosen something else instead. But they just don't want to work hard, so why should anyone care.

Thaksin has ended up shafting them, and prices will fall through the floor when eventually this scam is closed off. Then maybe millions of these farmers will realize and go and plant something that they CAN make money from, especially to cover the huge debts they have incurred when they took out all those loans, credit cards and new cars and homes all riding on 'rice is gonna pay'.

Well.... now we all know that it isn't.

Here we go with the lazy Thai bit again, what is it with you people

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Better the government lose a few billion on a pledging scheme than 30 million rice farmers lose money on each harvest. Imagine if there were 30 plus million rice farmers protesting losing money on each crop. It costs them more to grow rice than the farmers would make without government buying it. Lets think again, 30 million farmers with no income for two years just loses from growing rice. They would protest in mass and burn the country to the ground.

Aside from the absurd numbers, the basic concept of supporting people because they are putting a great deal of effort into growing something of little value is equally stupid. But you are correct that when the subsidies stop there will be pain and civil unrest. Now, who should we blame for giving those people unrealistic expectations that their uneconomic industry is sustainable?

They would almost be better off to take a whole village and tell them they couldn't grow more than a certain volume as a village in return for every adult in the village receiving a monthly wage.

Job done. Everyone is fed. Volume is set.

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