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[ThaiPauly]

I think it was something to do with a New Forum, but I am not certain.

I am just pleased that I no longer involve myself in childish arguments about unimportant things. (Except on the Football forum)...but then everyone does THAT!!

As the great Bill Shankly said "Football's not a matter of life or death..It's more important than that"

TP

[Mobi]

I think it was something to do with a New Forum, but I am not certain.

I am just pleased that I no longer involve myself in childish arguments about unimportant things. (Except on the Football forum)...but then everyone does THAT!!

As the great Bill Shankly said "Football's not a matter of life or death..It's more important than that"

TP

Quite right.....utterly childish!!

I won't say another word........

unless he does........

BTW Spurs were robbed - they should be in the Champions league

[PeaceBlondie]

What is this thread/topic about? I think it's proof that we not only have a new little sub-forum about whinging and whining, so that the whingers can complain about the whiners and vice versa, and maybe even the winos can complain about each other.

I do agree that Thailand has taught me a whole lot about not worrying about all those things I worried about. It's really hot at high noon in the tropics...doh, was Will Rogers correct that everybody complains about the weather, but they don't do anything about it? I learned in Nicaragua that even the drunks walk in the shade.

I could complain that the natives here speak a foreign language...but no, I'm the farang. At least on the beach at Hua Hin, I can tell the cocky Bankokians, "You're a tourist; I live here."

Why should a mere but respected Thai teacher complain about large class sizes, hot classrooms, and microphones held together by adhesive tape and bubble gum? She can't solve the problem, not in an entire career.

Oh, and the food here is too spicy. That must be Pachara's problem, because she cooked it the same way as Anchada and Pawana cook it.

But it's written down, either in the Magna Carta, the Bill of Rights, or the Bangkok Post, that I have an unalienable or inalienable right to complain as an alien....I think.

I also have the right to misspell Bangcock and Krung's a Tep.

[thaibebop]

What a lot of time some people have on their hands trawling through Cassandra's witty-if I may say so myself- but now irrelevant old posts, but not enough time apparently to answer his points in a calm and reasoned manner.Game, set and match I think.

More importantly, why would a man call himself, "Cassandra"?

Interesting that you should pose this question.I might as well ask why you think of yourself as an American civil war general.But for the more literate there is of course a long tradition of male Cassandras, the most distinguished being the late Bill Connor, brilliant columnist of the Daily Mirror.The point of course is not Cassandra's gender but the fact that his fate was to speak the unvarnished truth but never to be believed.

Why not remember him as a President? Or a drunk?

[Totster]

What a lot of time some people have on their hands trawling through Cassandra's witty-if I may say so myself- but now irrelevant old posts, but not enough time apparently to answer his points in a calm and reasoned manner.Game, set and match I think.

More importantly, why would a man call himself, "Cassandra"?

Interesting that you should pose this question.I might as well ask why you think of yourself as an American civil war general.But for the more literate there is of course a long tradition of male Cassandras, the most distinguished being the late Bill Connor, brilliant columnist of the Daily Mirror.The point of course is not Cassandra's gender but the fact that his fate was to speak the unvarnished truth but never to be believed.

Why not remember him as a President? Or a drunk?

I just wish I could remember him...

totster

[jbowman1993]

How the colonel likes to see doom, Thailand in 'serious trouble', civil war predicted in his other posts!

I would say more than smiles Thailand is a land of laughter, and for those foreigners who don't enjoy simple pleasures such as going out in groups, eating together and making gentle fun of each other, then they're never going to be content.

A land of laughter?

Hmmm, right.

A near civil war in the three southernmost provinces, no solution in sight...

Bangkok's industrial suburbs descending more and more into a nightmare of youth gang violence...

A still unsolved political crises with a population polarised to an extend it never was...

An economy that is getting worse...

Still unsolved land right issues in the north and northeast...

Huge debts under especially the rural population...

Drugs on the way to make a huge return...

But no, everything is perfectly in order, because we can go out and have a laugh. Simple pleasures for simplistic people...

Sounds like you could be talking about France as well, or the US.

[greg.d]

THATS IT, I'm off to get the rope and find a high ceiling..... and a high chair....I cannot believe there are soo many whingers out there, stop whining etc, etc, etc

Goodbye cruel world.

PS I'm back to Blighty (Bristol) in 4 weeks As a ghost of course!....

Thailand aint so bad, is it??

[ColPyat]

THATS IT, I'm off to get the rope and find a high ceiling..... and a high chair....I cannot believe there are soo many whingers out there, stop whining etc, etc, etc

Well, if you can't seperate between an experience of entirely personal happiness and a realistic assessment of the surrounding world than you may have to hang yourself once you understand that things are not as nice as your personal experience makes you believe.

Thailand is in a mess now, but that does not mean that you cannot enjoy life. On the opposite, often the bigger the mess, the more enjoyment you can have if you have the funds people here don't have. Remember the crises with the absurd exchange rates? People with foreign currency had a ball, while people with local currency suffered.

Whinging here is constantly complaining about the little things in life, exagerating them to a point where a little traffic jam means the sky is falling down. Understanding the inherent problems of Thailand is simply realistically assessing the situation.

Being blindly in love with Thailand, and whinging are in the end exactly the same thing - pure egotism where reality is clouded by personal emotional conditions of inflated egos who believe the world has to turn around them.

[lampard10]

Of course to go to the other extreme, you could be like the Thais themselves. If there is an atomic war that wipes out half of humanity, then...........................Mai Pen Rai

[Siripon]

THATS IT, I'm off to get the rope and find a high ceiling..... and a high chair....I cannot believe there are soo many whingers out there, stop whining etc, etc, etc

Well, if you can't seperate between an experience of entirely personal happiness and a realistic assessment of the surrounding world than you may have to hang yourself once you understand that things are not as nice as your personal experience makes you believe.

Thailand is in a mess now, but that does not mean that you cannot enjoy life. On the opposite, often the bigger the mess, the more enjoyment you can have if you have the funds people here don't have. Remember the crises with the absurd exchange rates? People with foreign currency had a ball, while people with local currency suffered.

Whinging here is constantly complaining about the little things in life, exagerating them to a point where a little traffic jam means the sky is falling down. Understanding the inherent problems of Thailand is simply realistically assessing the situation.

Being blindly in love with Thailand, and whinging are in the end exactly the same thing - pure egotism where reality is clouded by personal emotional conditions of inflated egos who believe the world has to turn around them.

Your last paragraph's logic escapes me Colonel, when I think of reasons why foreigners may be'blindly in love' with Thailand I come up with the following possible reasons, either singly or in combination.

1. Beautiful, polite women with good figures.

2. Beautiful scenery,( Krabi for example), lovely weather, tropical climate, exotic.

3. Excellent food, a variety of tastes at very affordable prices.

4. Many foreigners enjoy morlam and Cambodian music for dancing and foot tapping.

5. A sense of fun and enjoyment of everyday life makes foreigners feel happy and relaxed.

Now I understand how reason no 1 could lead to an inflated ego, amongst other body parts, and number 3 could lead to an inflated stomach, but I don't think the combination adds up to pure egotism or bears any relation to whining.

[ColPyat]

Your last paragraph's logic escapes me Colonel, when I think of reasons why foreigners may be'blindly in love' with Thailand I come up with the following possible reasons, either singly or in combination.

1. Beautiful, polite women with good figures.

2. Beautiful scenery,( Krabi for example), lovely weather, tropical climate, exotic.

3. Excellent food, a variety of tastes at very affordable prices.

4. Many foreigners enjoy morlam and Cambodian music for dancing and foot tapping.

5. A sense of fun and enjoyment of everyday life makes foreigners feel happy and relaxed.

Now I understand how reason no 1 could lead to an inflated ego, amongst other body parts, and number 3 could lead to an inflated stomach, but I don't think the combination adds up to pure egotism or bears any relation to whining.

Well, it does relate very much to egotism when certain fallacious deductions are made.

When ones personal enjoyment of beautyful women, good food, nice scenery, and music are used as reasons to "love" Thailand and judge the country in the most positive light and minimise or neglect more uncomfortable realities because one personally might not be affected by those nastier realities.

It is as much fallacy when personal gripes with certain aspects of the country become base for "hating" the place.

Therfore the basic principles are exactly the same - deducting from ones own personal emotional conditions (that can easily change according to changing personal experiences) the condition or standard of the whole country, and neglecting that you as a person are not exactly the barometer for judging a country of more than 60 million individuals with their own personal experiences and viewpoints.

I personally prefer a more reasonable and multi-layered approach instead of personalising my environment.

I understand though that for many people having too much money and free time on their hand (or the opposite) in a basically developing nation with enormous cultural difficulties the easy way out of adapting and therefore having to analyse oneself, and oneself in relation to the country, is by receding into rather simplistic and selfserving emotional statements expressing illogical emotional conditions such as "love" and "hate".

Unfortunately for many that becomes a permanent refuge, an escape from accepting certain discrepancies between oneself and evident realities.

[Siripon]

Your last paragraph's logic escapes me Colonel, when I think of reasons why foreigners may be'blindly in love' with Thailand I come up with the following possible reasons, either singly or in combination.

1. Beautiful, polite women with good figures.

2. Beautiful scenery,( Krabi for example), lovely weather, tropical climate, exotic.

3. Excellent food, a variety of tastes at very affordable prices.

4. Many foreigners enjoy morlam and Cambodian music for dancing and foot tapping.

5. A sense of fun and enjoyment of everyday life makes foreigners feel happy and relaxed.

Now I understand how reason no 1 could lead to an inflated ego, amongst other body parts, and number 3 could lead to an inflated stomach, but I don't think the combination adds up to pure egotism or bears any relation to whining.

Well, it does relate very much to egotism when certain fallacious deductions are made.

When ones personal enjoyment of beautyful women, good food, nice scenery, and music are used as reasons to "love" Thailand and judge the country in the most positive light and minimise or neglect more uncomfortable realities because one personally might not be affected by those nastier realities.

It is as much fallacy when personal gripes with certain aspects of the country become base for "hating" the place.

Therfore the basic principles are exactly the same - deducting from ones own personal emotional conditions (that can easily change according to changing personal experiences) the condition or standard of the whole country, and neglecting that you as a person are not exactly the barometer for judging a country of more than 60 million individuals with their own personal experiences and viewpoints.

I personally prefer a more reasonable and multi-layered approach instead of personalising my environment.

I understand though that for many people having too much money and free time on their hand (or the opposite) in a basically developing nation with enormous cultural difficulties the easy way out of adapting and therefore having to analyse oneself, and oneself in relation to the country, is by receding into rather simplistic and selfserving emotional statements expressing illogical emotional conditions such as "love" and "hate".

Unfortunately for many that becomes a permanent refuge, an escape from accepting certain discrepancies between oneself and evident realities.

Colonel, You seem to have more time than anyone on ThaiVisa judging by the timing of your contributions.

What tourist ever said he was the barometer of a place? He or she was only describing his or her impressions.

What is this multi level approach you talk of? You've never heard of Chermsak Pintong,yet you claim to have talked with PAD leaders; you can't read Thai so reading Matichon or any Thai paper is out of the question,you're reduced to relying on foreign journalists who depend on Thai sources. Where is the 'reasonable and multi level approach' in this?

How many farmers do you actually know living in the suburban wastelands of Samut Prakan?

I come from Khon Kaen, Ban Pai , if you know it, can you speak Issan? Northern Thai or Southern Thai?

'illogical emotional conditions such as 'love' and 'hate?'' What do you mean? You sound like Dr Spock from Star Trek. A farang once told me he was an alien because the immigration form described him as such, now I see what he means.

[ColPyat]

A farang once told me he was an alien because the immigration form described him as such, now I see what he means.

What on earth has that post to do either with the topic matter or with my previous post?

No, can't speak Isaarn. I understand though the northern dialect of my wife's area rather well (not every farang is married to an Isaarn girl). And, yes, i not only know farmers, i even own a 33 rai farm. We do "sittakit por puang", if that means anything to you.

And, yes, i presently have a lot of time on my hands as i feel rather lazy and don't really need to work in order to afford the lifestyle i enjoy. I work when i want to because i enjoy working.

But whatever, you appearantly decided with some other <deleted> that i must be some sort of troll because i don't fit into your stereotypes, therefore whatever i post must be a lie, or dishonest.

Anyhow, if you don't have anything worthwhile to contribute towards the topic of this thread, may i suggest you just shut up, and not let this thread descend into another piss contest. Thank you.

Edited May 18, 2006 by ColPyat

[Mobi]

A farang once told me he was an alien because the immigration form described him as such, now I see what he means.

.....What on earth has that post to do either with the topic matter or with my previous post.........?

...........Anyhow, if you don't have anything worthwhile to contribute towards the topic of this thread, may i suggest you just shut up, and not let this thread descend into another piss contest..........

I thought it was quite funny and quite apt, as no doubt did others with a sense of humour.

Hm.... just who is starting a pissing contest, then?

Edited May 18, 2006 by Mobi D'Ark

[lampard10]

A farang once told me he was an alien because the immigration form described him as such, now I see what he means.

.....What on earth has that post to do either with the topic matter or with my previous post.........?

...........Anyhow, if you don't have anything worthwhile to contribute towards the topic of this thread, may i suggest you just shut up, and not let this thread descend into another piss contest..........

I thought it was quite funny and quite apt, as no doubt did others with a sense of humour.

Hm.... just who is starting a pissing contest, then?

Me too. I tahought Siripon's reply summed up exactly why people fall in love with the place. Obviously the only person the Colonel is in love with, is himself.

[ColPyat]

I thought it was quite funny and quite apt, as no doubt did others with a sense of humour.

Hm.... just who is starting a pissing contest, then?

I would suggest to read the entire exchange between siriporn and me, and not just his last throw-away comment.

I have reasoned why it is a fallacy to either "love" or "hate" Thailand based on certain superficial things such as women, food, or whatever, and furthermore that judging Thailand based on those entirely personal experiences is egotistic.

The answer i got was a perfect case of ad hominem, i which siriporn answered not on my post, but only criticised and expressed his doubts about me personally based on me not being able to read and write Thai, not knowing some political activist (<deleted> should i be interested in some political activist here, they are a dime a dozen), and whatever.

This has nothing to do with the thread at hand, but roots in a difference of opinion about the political situation we had in the news forum, where he just can't get over the fact that i don't share his ideas.

Ergo - this is the continuation of another piss contest in this topic.

Again, can we please move away from my person, and back to the topic of the thread?

[OneeyedJohn]

Excuse me.....What is superficial about women and food ????

Why is it egotistic to judge thailand on personal experience ???

A simple person just asking simple questions would like simple answers

[Diablo Bob]

Colonel, You seem to have more time than anyone on ThaiVisa judging by the timing of your contributions.

Why does everybody keep refering to ColPyat as Colonel?

[jing jing]

Excuse me.....What is superficial about women and food ????

Why is it egotistic to judge thailand on personal experience ???

A simple person just asking simple questions would like simple answers

I was wondering about exactly the same things. (BTW, nice topic Lampy)

After all, aren't we discussing our opinions of Thailand as a place to live? Opinions are, by definition, subjective... so why do we all need to see things "objectively" when our opinions are naturally colored by our own perceptions of this place that many of us call home?

For example, I've noticed some folks describe the weather here as good or even great, which leads me to wonder where on the planet they are from; I'm from Southern California near the beach, where the weather is as close to perfect as you can get -- generally between 65 and 85 degrees F. with almost no humidity and probably 20 rainy days per year on average. To me, the weather in Thailand is fairly miserable - hot as hel_l and ridiculously humid - but I suppose to someone from the UK, Scandinavia, or northern Europe it's a wonderful change from the cold and dreary conditions back home.

One person may see a smiling khon Thai and say to himself, "that b@stard may be smiling at me but I'm sure he'd like nothing better than to bury a knife between my ribs and take all my money," while another bloke will say to himself, "wow, that poor guy hasn't got 2 satang to rub together, just a humble dirt farmer, but he's still able to put a smile on his face..."

There are some who complain about how terrible it is that the police are so "corrupt," while others are quite happy to be able to give a chap $10 tea money and drive merrily on their way without having to waste a whole day sitting in traffic court and/or have their insurance premium go up by $1000 per year.

I see folks go on and on about what a disaster the political situation here is even when it has absolutely no effect on their own lives, and when a supposedly civilized country like the USA is run by a military-industrial-pharmaceutical complex that is no less - and probably far more - corrupt than the Thai-Chinese cabal running the show in these parts. Just ask those folks who didn't vote Republican how they feel about the political situation in the States, if you think things are messed up over here.

If a person can be happy here and enjoy life despite the corruption, the hot and humid weather, the allegedly shallow Thai culture or lack thereof, the chaotic traffic and interesting local driving habits, the lack of farang style amenities, the language barrier, and all the other sources of so much irritation for some folks, then I say what the <deleted>... more power to him.

If on the other hand, a person finds himself waking up each morning and cursing the heavens for causing him to live in such a godforsaken shytehole with so many glaring faults, then I say that person ought to seriously re-evaluate why he came here in the first place. If he was sent here by the company, then I would submit that as long as he is still a free man, there is nothing forcing him to remain employed under those circumstances; be a real man, stand up and either request a transfer or quit and find another job. Life is too short to submit yourself to such misery.

Incidentally, I've travelled all over the world and the quality of the women and food here are second to none. Gorgeous women and delicious food... who would ever want to live someplace with an abundance of those?

[jdinasia]

Great post Jing Jinng .... SoCal would be GREAT if it weren't for all the Californians

[ColPyat]

Excuse me.....What is superficial about women and food ????

Why is it egotistic to judge thailand on personal experience ???

A simple person just asking simple questions would like simple answers

No problem.

You can judge you own level of happiness in Thailand based on personal experience of whatever you enjoy here.

What is very stupid is making blanket statements on the whole of Thailand based on personal likes or dislikes. I am afraid to say, that your (or my) personal likes and dislikes do not exactly matter in the whole picture, and have very little relevance to the general situation of Thailand.

As an example, how many times do you read that just because someone has not had any negative experience personally about violence here, that someone automatically concludes that Thailand must be such a safe and peaceful country, ignoring everything that may counter those idyllic views?

Where personal likes and dislikes appearantly matter though more than more articulated and realistic viewpints seems to be on internet boards by certain types who never took off their rose colored glasses.

[Mobi]

To Jing Jing, post of the day and probably "post of the thread" ( with apologies to others who have also made some pretty good points)

To ColPyat, rest assured I have read every word on this thread. I still think Siriporn's 'alien' line was amusing, but understand that you may not see it in the same light, particularly if you two are carrying on a "cross thread" feud.

I do see your point about someone effectively "living in cloud cuckoo land" and, for example might complain that it never rains in Thailand, or that bar girls never rip anyone off, or, (as you postulated), that Bangkok is a crime free town, etc. We've had a lot of that down in Pattaya, where there is a group of people who insist that Pattaya is more evil than Sodom & Gommorrah combined, and that every farang who lives there is a low life, venal sex tourist. All these positions, are extreme and clearly wrong, and if people base their views of Thailand on such porarised and entrenched viewpoints, and refuse to listen to reasoned arguments, then there is little point to the discussion.

But at the end of the day, every view is subjective, and if an individual loves or hates Thailand, based on his personal experiences, then that is perfectly reasonable, and not egotistical. If he then states his views and the reasons for those views in this forum, and is prepared to listen and discuss opposing views, then surely that's the whole purpose of this forum.

Or have I got it wrong somewhere?

Edited May 19, 2006 by Mobi D'Ark

[jing jing]

As an example, how many times do you read that just because someone has not had any negative experience personally about violence here, that someone automatically concludes that Thailand must be such a safe and peaceful country, ignoring everything that may counter those idyllic views?

Where personal likes and dislikes appearantly matter though more than more articulated and realistic viewpints seems to be on internet boards by certain types who never took off their rose colored glasses.

Honestly, maybe I've been reading the wrong topics, but I haven't read many statements to that effect. What I would say is that, realistically, I feel much safer walking the backstreets of Bangkok at 2 or 3AM than I would walking the backstreets of New York, Chicago, L.A., or most other big American cities; safer than in London, Berlin, Prague, Amsterdam, Budapest, or most other big European cities; safer than in any big city in Latin America, and safer than in almost any other big city in the world outside of Tokyo.

Of course there is violence in Thailand, as there is everywhere in the world, because violence is part of the human condition. However - as with all other negative aspects of whatever place one chooses to live - it must be considered relative to the other options available. If someone was especially interested in sexy women, great food, and picturesque scenery, Brazil would certainly be an option -- but the crime rate there is bloody well off the scale. I'd like to keep both my kidneys intact and not be robbed every time I go to the ATM, thank you very much.

Thailand is far from perfect, and I don't really see any expats with significant time on the ground here wearing "rose colored glasses," but (if I may speak for my brothers who feel good, as I do, about living here) we've just come to realize that all things considered and based upon the other options available, this charming little country - warts and all - is where we choose to spend most of our time.

[ColPyat]

What I would say is that, realistically, I feel much safer walking the backstreets of Bangkok at 2 or 3AM than I would walking the backstreets of New York, Chicago, L.A., or most other big American cities; safer than in London, Berlin, Prague, Amsterdam, Budapest, or most other big European cities; safer than in any big city in Latin America, and safer than in almost any other big city in the world outside of Tokyo.

Slightly off-topic, but i have to somehow disagree in a way there.

Alright, you personally *feel* safer to walk in the backstreets of Bangkok. Does that personal feeling actually translate to those backstreets really being that safe?

Which backstreets are we talking about?

If it is lower Sukhumvit, or Silom - i definately agree.

Now, if we talk some backalleys in the industrial suburbs (and yes, before someone goes anal, some of them may be in the province of Samut Prakan, nevertheless, practically this province has been swallowed up by Bangkok), then i would more than disagree - they are so dangerous that even locals don't walk at night.

Those areas are of no interest to the tourist, or even the normal expat, so they usually don't fall under the radar of judging Thailand's safety. Nevertheless - if you look a bit closer at the developments there over the last few years - they are turning worse. These areas still have a huge influx of migrants, and most likely far more migrants will come in the future, when Thaksin's knee jerk policies upcountry will have the negative effects they most definately will have.

Now, where do we stand there with personal experiences and judging Thailand along those experiences? If i would make a blanket statement along my personal experiences in those industrial suburbs - i would say that this country is insanely violent. Which is completely opposing to what you state of Bangkok being safer than most other cities.

Reality is somewhere more complex than your or my personal experience, a lot more has to be factored in, which is outside and completely independent of our small spectrum of personal experience.

Charming though i would call Thailand NOT!

[Diablo Bob]

ColPyat

From another thread, I quote you:"Wrong. I came to Asia when i was 20. No degrees, no marketable skills. I am still here, on a workpermit, selfemployed, and rapidly approach middleage. "

As we are all aware, Asia is an immense area, where in Asia?

Now enlighten us....... what streets exactly have you walked aside from Bangkok to come to your grandiose conclusion as to how dangerous this city is in comparison to the rest of the world!

Do you really know what danger really is? Do you really know what uncontrolled violence is really like?

PLease enlighten us with YOUR experiences................. somewhere aside from Thailand that is!

[Jai Yen Yen]

ColPyat

From another thread, I quote you:"Wrong. I came to Asia when i was 20. No degrees, no marketable skills. I am still here, on a workpermit, selfemployed, and rapidly approach middleage. "

As we are all aware, Asia is an immense area, where in Asia?

Now enlighten us....... what streets exactly have you walked aside from Bangkok to come to your grandiose conclusion as to how dangerous this city is in comparison to the rest of the world!

Do you really know what danger really is? Do you really know what uncontrolled violence is really like?

PLease enlighten us with YOUR experiences................. somewhere aside from Thailand that is!

Oooh! Diablo Bob - obviously an accurate nick - knows more about "danger" and "uncontrolled violence" than you do, ColPyat! What have you got to say about THAT, then!

[ColPyat]

Oooh! Diablo Bob - obviously an accurate nick - knows more about "danger" and "uncontrolled violence" than you do, ColPyat! What have you got to say about THAT, then!

Not much, actually.

I just wonder if i shall be flattered, or embarrased, to have that many posters stalking every thread i am involved in, making the effort to nitpick my not so few posts, just to to get into infantile piss contests full of ad hominem arguments that don't relate to the thread topic or the posts of mine they refer to.

F_ucking sad!

[monochaser]

Some great points about Thailand:

1. Holding a child patient hostage at Bumingrad for not being able to pay bill in full upon discharge. (this is a really good thing about LOS, it's all about money, when you run out you are worthless here)

2. Not permitting persons in wheelchairs to board airplanes. (this is worldly and mainstream)

Ah Thailand, a wonderful caring place full of caring unselfish people

Edited May 19, 2006 by monochaser

[Diablo Bob]

"Slightly off-topic, but i have to somehow disagree in a way there.

Alright, you personally *feel* safer to walk in the backstreets of Bangkok. Does that personal feeling actually translate to those backstreets really being that safe?

Which backstreets are we talking about?"

Not much, actually.

I just wonder if i shall be flattered, or embarrassed, to have that many posters stalking every thread i am involved in, making the effort to nitpick my not so few posts, just to to get into infantile piss contests full of ad hominem arguments that don't relate to the thread topic or the posts of mine they refer to.

F_ucking sad!

Well don't let it get to your head, ColPyat. I doubt if you have any stalkers, following you around Post to Post. In my case, I just know Bullsh_t when I read, smell or step in it...... Just happened to be looking at another thread from a young man in Australia when your comment appeared. You gave good advise to the kid by the way. Returned to this thread and Viola, the Bullsh_t meter just went off!

Here you are telling some of us who HAVE been to cities like Baghdad, Kabul, Mexico City etc. how bad Bangkok is........ wrong! In relation to what you saw 10-15 years ago it might look pretty bad, but Chief, in relation to what the rest of the world has to offer, it doesn't even make the Top 25 in "Bad Places to Be Living".

Now the F_ucking Sad thing is the fact that YOU can't accept the fact that people don't agree with you and your attempt to preach. OK, YOU think Thailand is unsafe, Great. I dis-agree, don't try and ######_ng change my mind! If you didn't continuously get back in peoples faces because they didn't agree with you, you probably wouldn't receive any snide ass remarks like mine......

[Ulysses G.]

Oooh! Diablo Bob - obviously an accurate nick - knows more about "danger" and "uncontrolled violence" than you do, ColPyat! What have you got to say about THAT, then!

Not much, actually.

I just wonder if i shall be flattered, or embarrased, to have that many posters stalking every thread i am involved in, making the effort to nitpick my not so few posts, just to to get into infantile piss contests full of ad hominem arguments that don't relate to the thread topic or the posts of mine they refer to.

I think that the reason so many people are out to get ColPyat is that he can make his point while actually following the rules.

What a guy.