Democrats slam door on poll

[sirineou]

a common political stunt

the democrats know they have no chance of winning, so they will not play,They might play at a different time. by which time they might get better at it, or the other team might get worst, but for now they will stay home and play with them selfs,

Much more fun than getting beat,

.and after wards they can always claim that the winner only won because they did not play, and be able to criticize how the winner played and claim that if they had played they would had played much more fair,

And anyway since the winner did not play very fair, , Their win is not legitimate

[rebelplatoon]

Once again I will post this, READ it so you comprehend what's going on I know it's a long story, put that pint away! :

Some people don't seem to understand why this is. During the Mr. "T" regime the constituents have been altered to fit the TRT party. Very large constituents with large numbers of voters would give one party only one seat (These they changed and were Democratic strongholds) much smaller constituents, with much fewer people were divided up in several constituents with one seat each (TRT "zones"). This means that even when people did not vote a 100% for the TRT they would still have a "glorious victory" over the Democrats.

In numbers: The TRT and Dems had respectively: 15,744,190 and 11,433,762 people vote for them. A difference in % of the population of resp. (TRT, Dems) 48.41% and 35.15%. (say 13%) This was NOT reflected in the seats in Parliament by the self dividing rule of the TRT who changed the constituents. (TRT/ Dems) 265 seats against 159 seats or in seats 106 (!!) difference. If this had been in the range of anything like 225 to 196 this would have been a fair and acceptable result. (the difference being about 13%) or in seats 29. This would have allowed (just an example) the Democrats to team up with some other parties and still form a Government. Besides, in the opposition it would have given them lots more clout.

Then due to certain constituents differences it could have been anything in the range of 210 to 235 for the TRT and 190 to 220 for the Dems and it would be acceptable, justifiable and explainable.

Mind you, I do not agree with an interim Government and all that, unless it would be an agreed upon (by both parties) Business Government to boost the country back on the map first. But that would demand restraint, patience and understanding. Values that are the foundation of Buddhism, but are hard to be found in politricks.

Just my two cents worth....

[Bpuumike]

Looking at this from another side, who the fk in thei right minds would want to govern now, the country is in deep sht thanks to the last goverment and will take ages to get back on track, with this move i see big problems for the future.

A disticnt parallel to the UK after Uncle Gordon

[Old Man River]

a common political stunt

the democrats know they have no chance of winning, so they will not play,They might play at a different time. by which time they might get better at it, or the other team might get worst, but for now they will stay home and play with them selfs,

Much more fun than getting beat,

.and after wards they can always claim that the winner only won because they did not play, and be able to criticize how the winner played and claim that if they had played they would had played much more fair,

And anyway since the winner did not play very fair, , Their win is not legitimate

Let's face it. The Shinawatra's are worried. You would think without their main opposition (the Dem's), they shouldn't be worried, but they are. Dissolving parliament, pulling back the amendment for Royal approval and apologizing, and now talking about a "roadmap" for reform. They are worried. The move by the Dem's is academic.

[sirineou]

Once again I will post this, READ it so you comprehend what's going on I know it's a long story, put that pint away! :

Some people don't seem to understand why this is. During the Mr. "T" regime the constituents have been altered to fit the TRT party. Very large constituents with large numbers of voters would give one party only one seat (These they changed and were Democratic strongholds) much smaller constituents, with much fewer people were divided up in several constituents with one seat each (TRT "zones"). This means that even when people did not vote a 100% for the TRT they would still have a "glorious victory" over the Democrats.

In numbers: The TRT and Dems had respectively: 15,744,190 and 11,433,762 people vote for them. A difference in % of the population of resp. (TRT, Dems) 48.41% and 35.15%. (say 13%) This was NOT reflected in the seats in Parliament by the self dividing rule of the TRT who changed the constituents. (TRT/ Dems) 265 seats against 159 seats or in seats 106 (!!) difference. If this had been in the range of anything like 225 to 196 this would have been a fair and acceptable result. (the difference being about 13%) or in seats 29. This would have allowed (just an example) the Democrats to team up with some other parties and still form a Government. Besides, in the opposition it would have given them lots more clout.

Then due to certain constituents differences it could have been anything in the range of 210 to 235 for the TRT and 190 to 220 for the Dems and it would be acceptable, justifiable and explainable.

Mind you, I do not agree with an interim Government and all that, unless it would be an agreed upon (by both parties) Business Government to boost the country back on the map first. But that would demand restraint, patience and understanding. Values that are the foundation of Buddhism, but are hard to be found in politricks.

Just my two cents worth....

Politics in Thailand is such, that there are many ways to claim that a win by any side is illegitimate,No side can ever have a legitimate stable government as indicated by the long political Thai history

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-15641745

I Personally think that Thailand is not ready for a democratic system.It lacks the independed institutions that provide a system of checks and balances necessary for a stable democratic system..

Edited December 22, 2013 by sirineou

[sirineou]

a common political stunt

the democrats know they have no chance of winning, so they will not play,They might play at a different time. by which time they might get better at it, or the other team might get worst, but for now they will stay home and play with them selfs,

Much more fun than getting beat,

.and after wards they can always claim that the winner only won because they did not play, and be able to criticize how the winner played and claim that if they had played they would had played much more fair,

And anyway since the winner did not play very fair, , Their win is not legitimate

Let's face it. The Shinawatra's are worried. You would think without their main opposition (the Dem's), they shouldn't be worried, but they are. Dissolving parliament, pulling back the amendment for Royal approval and apologizing, and now talking about a "roadmap" for reform. They are worried. The move by the Dem's is academic.

There is no doubt that they are worried, but what are they worried of, are they worried that they will loose? or are they worried that the opposition will will pull all sorts of political stunts, as they are, and paint them in a corner?

all of Yinglucks moves are designed to check the opposition and stay out of the political corner.

The problem with the oppositions tactics is that they are hurting the country,I have no dog in the race, I could care less who wins as long as Thailand prospers,I am totally apolitical as far as Thailand is concerned,

I am just an impartial observer getting richer while the Baht plummets.

[SebD]

How much longer before the (ludicrously self-titled) "Democrats" become The Insurgency Party, I wonder?

[Old Man River]

a common political stunt

the democrats know they have no chance of winning, so they will not play,They might play at a different time. by which time they might get better at it, or the other team might get worst, but for now they will stay home and play with them selfs,

Much more fun than getting beat,

.and after wards they can always claim that the winner only won because they did not play, and be able to criticize how the winner played and claim that if they had played they would had played much more fair,

And anyway since the winner did not play very fair, , Their win is not legitimate

Let's face it. The Shinawatra's are worried. You would think without their main opposition (the Dem's), they shouldn't be worried, but they are. Dissolving parliament, pulling back the amendment for Royal approval and apologizing, and now talking about a "roadmap" for reform. They are worried. The move by the Dem's is academic.

There is no doubt that they are worried, but what are they worried of, are they worried that they will loose? or are they worried that the opposition will will pull all sorts of political stunts, as they are, and paint them in a corner?

all of Yinglucks moves are designed to check the opposition and stay out of the political corner.

The problem with the oppositions tactics is that they are hurting the country,I have no dog in the race, I could care less who wins as long as Thailand prospers,I am totally apolitical as far as Thailand is concerned,

I am just an impartial observer getting richer while the Baht plummets.

You might get richer.

I said early on my view is this isn't, directly, about politics. I think the Dem's move is a delay while discussions (behind the scenes) carry on. This has been going on for months and we keep seeing attempts by YL at compromise. If she didn't have to compromise, I would think she wouldn't.

[chooka]

a common political stunt

the democrats know they have no chance of winning, so they will not play,They might play at a different time. by which time they might get better at it, or the other team might get worst, but for now they will stay home and play with them selfs,

Much more fun than getting beat,

.and after wards they can always claim that the winner only won because they did not play, and be able to criticize how the winner played and claim that if they had played they would had played much more fair,

And anyway since the winner did not play very fair, , Their win is not legitimate

Let's face it. The Shinawatra's are worried. You would think without their main opposition (the Dem's), they shouldn't be worried, but they are. Dissolving parliament, pulling back the amendment for Royal approval and apologizing, and now talking about a "roadmap" for reform. They are worried. The move by the Dem's is academic.

There is no doubt that they are worried, but what are they worried of, are they worried that they will loose? or are they worried that the opposition will will pull all sorts of political stunts, as they are, and paint them in a corner?

all of Yinglucks moves are designed to check the opposition and stay out of the political corner.

The problem with the oppositions tactics is that they are hurting the country,I have no dog in the race, I could care less who wins as long as Thailand prospers,I am totally apolitical as far as Thailand is concerned,

I am just an impartial observer getting richer while the Baht plummets.

You might get richer.

I said early on my view is this isn't, directly, about politics. I think the Dem's move is a delay while discussions (behind the scenes) carry on. This has been going on for months and we keep seeing attempts by YL at compromise. If she didn't have to compromise, I would think she wouldn't.

Even tho I am not a fan. I think YL has handled the whole thing in a very professional manner. I applaud her for her calm approach, if it was the democrats these demonstrations would have been crushed by force, people being shot in the streets and total kaos.

Well done Yingluk and I am sure you have the backing from the vast majority of countries around the world in the way you have conducted yourself. You have been tested and pushed by rebels and responded with calm grace making them look like idiots.

[Old Man River]

a common political stunt

the democrats know they have no chance of winning, so they will not play,They might play at a different time. by which time they might get better at it, or the other team might get worst, but for now they will stay home and play with them selfs,

Much more fun than getting beat,

.and after wards they can always claim that the winner only won because they did not play, and be able to criticize how the winner played and claim that if they had played they would had played much more fair,

And anyway since the winner did not play very fair, , Their win is not legitimate

Let's face it. The Shinawatra's are worried. You would think without their main opposition (the Dem's), they shouldn't be worried, but they are. Dissolving parliament, pulling back the amendment for Royal approval and apologizing, and now talking about a "roadmap" for reform. They are worried. The move by the Dem's is academic.

There is no doubt that they are worried, but what are they worried of, are they worried that they will loose? or are they worried that the opposition will will pull all sorts of political stunts, as they are, and paint them in a corner?

all of Yinglucks moves are designed to check the opposition and stay out of the political corner.

The problem with the oppositions tactics is that they are hurting the country,I have no dog in the race, I could care less who wins as long as Thailand prospers,I am totally apolitical as far as Thailand is concerned,

I am just an impartial observer getting richer while the Baht plummets.

You might get richer.

I said early on my view is this isn't, directly, about politics. I think the Dem's move is a delay while discussions (behind the scenes) carry on. This has been going on for months and we keep seeing attempts by YL at compromise. If she didn't have to compromise, I would think she wouldn't.

Even tho I am not a fan. I think YL has handled the whole thing in a very professional manner. I applaud her for her calm approach, if it was the democrats these demonstrations would have been crushed by force, people being shot in the streets and total kaos.

Well done Yingluk and I am sure you have the backing from the vast majority of countries around the world in the way you have conducted yourself. You have been tested and pushed by rebels and responded with calm grace making them look like idiots.

She hasn't made anyone look like idiots, but I agree that she has handled this very, very well.

[Emptyset]

Once again I will post this, READ it so you comprehend what's going on I know it's a long story, put that pint away! :

Some people don't seem to understand why this is. During the Mr. "T" regime the constituents have been altered to fit the TRT party. Very large constituents with large numbers of voters would give one party only one seat (These they changed and were Democratic strongholds) much smaller constituents, with much fewer people were divided up in several constituents with one seat each (TRT "zones"). This means that even when people did not vote a 100% for the TRT they would still have a "glorious victory" over the Democrats.

In numbers: The TRT and Dems had respectively: 15,744,190 and 11,433,762 people vote for them. A difference in % of the population of resp. (TRT, Dems) 48.41% and 35.15%. (say 13%) This was NOT reflected in the seats in Parliament by the self dividing rule of the TRT who changed the constituents. (TRT/ Dems) 265 seats against 159 seats or in seats 106 (!!) difference. If this had been in the range of anything like 225 to 196 this would have been a fair and acceptable result. (the difference being about 13%) or in seats 29. This would have allowed (just an example) the Democrats to team up with some other parties and still form a Government. Besides, in the opposition it would have given them lots more clout.

Then due to certain constituents differences it could have been anything in the range of 210 to 235 for the TRT and 190 to 220 for the Dems and it would be acceptable, justifiable and explainable.

Mind you, I do not agree with an interim Government and all that, unless it would be an agreed upon (by both parties) Business Government to boost the country back on the map first. But that would demand restraint, patience and understanding. Values that are the foundation of Buddhism, but are hard to be found in politricks.

Just my two cents worth....

The stuff about the constituency changes etc was also wrong the first time. See at least two rebuttals in the threat you initially posted this in.

[DonThaiToMe]

If they are not going to partake in the elections then that is entirely up to them. Come the 3rd of February don't throw hissie fits and tantrums like spoilt little rich kids. Accept the outcome and move along don't try to overthrow another democratically elected government.

It is very disturbing to read this post, but not unexpected as we all know your preferences.

But you still don't seem to get it. Throwing away 3Bn + baht on an election that will count for nothing is yet again another testiment to this government's mentality.

The people will not accept it, in case you hadn't noticed, the Dems will have lost none of their voters during this farce. But the PTP definitely have, and they have acknowledged this many times. That makes potentially 15 million + people not willing to accept the election or its results. Thius is not about the Dems throwing 'hissy fits', they don't need to. The people will demonstrate for them without any need for a push.

Truth also that you are blind to, is that these elections will NOT be held, they will be disrupted before that date and on the day they will be disrupted... There is a potetial for mass violence, and the government are keeping the powder keg safe and dry and inviting the fuse to be lit.

Reform BEFORE elections is what the protests are about.... wake up!

It really boggles my mind to how ignorant some people can be!

"Reform BEFORE elections is what the protests are about.... wake up!"

You mean the people who are in minority and lost the last election, and now are acting like complete idiots/spoiled brats/crybabies running around occupying government buildings, hi-jacking the countrys media and so forth?

Sheeesh...

[DonThaiToMe]

"He apologised to the party supporters for this decision but he also added that he had a feeling the Democrats had a good chance of winning if it contested this election." - Abhisit

Well, if they´re so confident they would have great chance of winning why the hell don´t they run? And they call themselves Democrats!!!

What a FANTASTIC joke these clowns are!

[sirineou]

"He apologised to the party supporters for this decision but he also added that he had a feeling the Democrats had a good chance of winning if it contested this election." - Abhisit

Well, if they´re so confident they would have great chance of winning why the hell don´t they run? And they call themselves Democrats!!!

What a FANTASTIC joke these clowns are!

They don't want to win the election and then institute reforms, Where is the fun in that?

[Emptyset]

"He apologised to the party supporters for this decision but he also added that he had a feeling the Democrats had a good chance of winning if it contested this election." - Abhisit

Well, if they´re so confident they would have great chance of winning why the hell don´t they run? And they call themselves Democrats!!!

What a FANTASTIC joke these clowns are!

Well, he also said the same in 2010:

"Abhisit, a graduate of the University of Oxford, said it was “certainly possible” his Democrat party can capture 240 seats in an election, or half the total, enough to win its first nationwide vote since 1992."

But he couldn't hold elections back then because the conditions weren't right. Same story now. (Conditions not being right = in reality, Democrats have zero chance of winning).

http://asiancorrespondent.com/30118/abhisit-democrats-can-win-the-next-election/

[tragickingdom]

The Democrat Party is as democratic as the People's Democratic Republic of Korea. They better rename the party to the Loser Party or the Coup Party. After all they never win an election and only get into power after yet another coup has taken place.

[SebD]

"He apologised to the party supporters for this decision but he also added that he had a feeling the Democrats had a good chance of winning if it contested this election." - Abhisit

Well, if they´re so confident they would have great chance of winning why the hell don´t they run? And they call themselves Democrats!!!

What a FANTASTIC joke these clowns are!

Yes, well North Korea's full title is "Democratic People's Republic of Korea".

Nepal's is "Federal Democratic Republic of Nepal"

There is also the "Lao People's Democratic Republic" and "People's Democratic Republic of Algeria" to name but a few.

The UK's own "Liberal Democrats" now have people in positions of power within the UK Cabinet, despite securing only 57 seats of a total 650 seats contested (very "liberal" and "democratic" of them - ).

Lest we forget, in 1930's Europe, a certain "National Socialist German Workers’ Party" was swept into power, tore-up its election manifesto, executed its opposers, banned future elections and plunged much of the civilsed world into it's second, catastrophic, world war in under three decades.

Khun Abhisit should be reminded that simply calling his political party the "Democratic Party" don't necessarily make it so.

Oh yeah, and "The Tooting Popular Front" had a membership of.........one.

Edited December 22, 2013 by SebD

[blabth]

I try to understand the whole situation. Democracy is based always on three pillars The 3 pillars of democracy are Judiciary(interprets laws), legislature(make laws) and executive(enforces laws.)

The constitutional court should monitored that the other pillar do everything in line with the constitution. Instead to ask the legally voted PM to resign the focus should be to strengthen the Judiciary. Actually the the government was not able to get the amnesty bill through shows that the basics are even working in Thailand.

Everything else like a election process where only "intelligent" people can vote is not in line with the constitution. The question is much more why are the opposition parties not in position to get votes in the rural area. The answer is simple they don't care about the Thai people in the rural areas. Mr. Taksin was smart enough to realize the potential of this voting group. You can call all the program of K. Taksin as freebies but it has given certain dignity to the poor people. It should be the objective of all people that no person has to beg for medical treatment. That he used this for his own benefit is normal. The democrats have established economic reforms such as tax heaven etc. for their clientele.

Rejecting the election in February the Democrats put themselves outside the democratic process. ( I love the sate men we would have a chance of winning, if that is the case than why not going and face the election?)

[DonThaiToMe]

Sacrifice? hardly. The democrats gambled when they backed an attempt to bring down the democratically elected government of Thailand and did not achieve the desired result. Now, they see that the strategy has faltered and would most likely result in another punishing defeat. The Democrats don't have to run. it's their right in a democracy. however, they lose the right to complain if they sit on the sidelines whinging and complaining. The democrats bungled and the country pays the price.

Ahh, there's that word again............."democratically".

Amazing how a word can be misused by so many and so often. A bit like the term "self exile".

Yes, or Suthep and Abhisit calling themselves democrats, then boycotting elections in favor for a peoples council chosen by themselves. OHH the irony!

[Bpuumike]

a common political stunt

the democrats know they have no chance of winning, so they will not play,They might play at a different time. by which time they might get better at it, or the other team might get worst, but for now they will stay home and play with them selfs,

Much more fun than getting beat,

.and after wards they can always claim that the winner only won because they did not play, and be able to criticize how the winner played and claim that if they had played they would had played much more fair,

And anyway since the winner did not play very fair, , Their win is not legitimate

Let's face it. The Shinawatra's are worried. You would think without their main opposition (the Dem's), they shouldn't be worried, but they are. Dissolving parliament, pulling back the amendment for Royal approval and apologizing, and now talking about a "roadmap" for reform. They are worried. The move by the Dem's is academic.

Sure they are worried about that 2 trillion up for grabs.

[blaze]

She expressed concern that the country cannot move forward, adding that respecting the rules and participating in elections will lead to reforms.

"If they do not accept this government, they must accept the system. The government has already returned power to the people and let them decide the future of the country," said Ms Yingluck.

"The government has done everything, both promising reform and the House dissolution

And there is a major part of the problem.

First participating in elections does not lead to reforms. Quite the contrary - it leads to perpetuating the current system which badly needs reform before an election. IMO a referendum should be held on this point alone - prior to the election.

No, Yingluck they do not accept the government (post amnesty attempt) and the system (vote buying and intimidation).

Promising reform: how can a government be trusted with these empty words when it held a 'reconciliation forum', paying expenses (& more?) for overseas ex-politicians to 'advise' and completely ignoring any advice offered. Even worse the initial amnesty bill to forgive the innocent & minor law-breakers was changed - by subterfuge - into including the one individual that they denied was the target. In other words PTP cannot be trusted.

If Yingluck had any honesty (doubtful) or real power (extremely doubtful) she would consult with Abhisit - not Suthep - and come up with a cast iron reform plan that obliges all politicians to follow it.

I think the Democrat party ifs doing the right thing by not continuing to participate in a farcial pseudo-democracy.

[sirineou]

a common political stunt

the democrats know they have no chance of winning, so they will not play,They might play at a different time. by which time they might get better at it, or the other team might get worst, but for now they will stay home and play with them selfs,

Much more fun than getting beat,

.and after wards they can always claim that the winner only won because they did not play, and be able to criticize how the winner played and claim that if they had played they would had played much more fair,

And anyway since the winner did not play very fair, , Their win is not legitimate

Let's face it. The Shinawatra's are worried. You would think without their main opposition (the Dem's), they shouldn't be worried, but they are. Dissolving parliament, pulling back the amendment for Royal approval and apologizing, and now talking about a "roadmap" for reform. They are worried. The move by the Dem's is academic.

Sure they are worried about that 2 trillion up for grabs.

I think all sides are worried about that

[tx22cb]

Yes, or Suthep and Abhisit calling themselves democrats, then boycotting elections in favor for a peoples council chosen by themselves. OHH the irony!

There is a slight difference between Suthep & Abhisit.

Suthep demands reform and intends to do so via his "300 + 100" council. Nothing else will satisfy him.

Abhisit wants reform before elections, but I am not sure whether he has said explicitly that he supports Suthep's method. I suspect he can't be seen to advocate Suthep's 400, because that would really be unrepresentative and blatantly biased.

I think the Dems would be happy with a reform body with balanced reps from across the full Thai spectrum - and not from across just Suthep's (very narrow and personal) spectrum.

[blaze]

Ken

Your post is predicated on assumptions that may in fact be false.

All international observers- as well as Korn and Suthep have declared that vote buying was NOT an issue in the last election.

As far as corruption- this claim defies evidence- and it defies common sense. The PTP is too well aware that the courts are stacked against them. The know what happened to Samak. I would expect that in the inner chambers, if there was even a whiff of corruption- heads wou8ld roll because they know that the entire system is under microsopic scrutiny with the sharks waiting for the first smell of blood.

Unlike many countries, Thailand has been blessed with enlightened almost dviine guidance.

And that is the system that these people want. That is absolute democracy.

Where the soul of the nation is expressed; through the guidance of a 'good man'.

Can you not see- have you not seen the people at the rallys? These are children waiting for Christmas morning. Whistling in Santa Claus.

[jackrich]

One wonders, if they are so big on reforms now, why did they do NOTHING for reforms when they were in power for YEARS?

[blaze]

Yes, or Suthep and Abhisit calling themselves democrats, then boycotting elections in favor for a peoples council chosen by themselves. OHH the irony!

There is a slight difference between Suthep & Abhisit.

Suthep demands reform and intends to do so via his "300 + 100" council. Nothing else will satisfy him.

Abhisit wants reform before elections, but I am not sure whether he has said explicitly that he supports Suthep's method. I suspect he can't be seen to advocate Suthep's 400, because that would really be unrepresentative and blatantly biased.

I think the Dems would be happy with a reform body with balanced reps from across the full Thai spectrum - and not from across just Suthep's (very narrow and personal) spectrum.

He has just refused to be part of the very process you advocate.]He is not stupid- he is well aware that for all the reforms in the world under the premise of univeral sufferage, will yield only a succession of popular governments.

The only reform that can stem the red tide is to deny them the vote.!!!

that is why there is no demand from the fascists to change the constituiont- they want to change the system- and at least Suthep has been clear and honest about that.

The only way the system can be changed to nullify the Reds is to not allow them to participate- and so the People's Council- expanded in a year or so to permit elections among the participating professions--

Edited December 22, 2013 by blaze

[tx22cb]

Even tho I am not a fan. I think YL has handled the whole thing in a very professional manner. I applaud her for her calm approach, if it was the democrats these demonstrations would have been crushed by force, people being shot in the streets and total kaos.

Well done Yingluk and I am sure you have the backing from the vast majority of countries around the world in the way you have conducted yourself. You have been tested and pushed by rebels and responded with calm grace making them look like idiots.

Yes - situations in Thailand tend to rapidly reach critical mass whenever there's an overload of testosterone and hubris.

So a female touch makes a nice change .... although this did not apply to Maggie Thatcher, who probably had more b@lls than all of her cabinet put together ...

[Siripon]

Even tho I am not a fan. I think YL has handled the whole thing in a very professional manner. I applaud her for her calm approach, if it was the democrats these demonstrations would have been crushed by force, people being shot in the streets and total kaos.

Well done Yingluk and I am sure you have the backing from the vast majority of countries around the world in the way you have conducted yourself. You have been tested and pushed by rebels and responded with calm grace making them look like idiots.

Yes - situations in Thailand tend to rapidly reach critical mass whenever there's an overload of testosterone and hubris.

So a female touch makes a nice change .... although this did not apply to Maggie Thatcher, who probably had more b@lls than all of her cabinet put together ...

Yingluck hasn't handled anything at all.

The army will not shoot Suthep's peaceful protesters.If they did it would be the end of her government for sure.

It took the army 2 or 3 months to react against the red shirts who were firing all kinds of weapons at the authorities.Even then, Anupong insisted Apisit and Suthep had to assume overall command so any blame for deaths would be directed at them, not the army.

[blaze]

Just a trivial question: If the poor and uneducated cannot even look after themselves, how could we trust them to look after the welfare of the country.

Replying to Spare 5

What makes this whole episode so scary is that you are very possibly a citizen of a develped democracy.

You know nothing - or reject everything of the fundamentals upon which democracy is based.

You are the fascist in the wings-- that will lead your own co8untry to misery if anyone were to take you seriously.

Thank god- they wont'.

[Loles]

1. So, ..... don't have to whine but have to win on election.

2. They are the Thai elite. And this elite doesn't know have to make mass support first than don't have to thinking about bull_s_hit people council.

3. That's all and nothing else.

+1. The grabby Chinese thaksin family knows well it .... but benito suthep doesn't.

More question?

Edited December 22, 2013 by Loles