Red Shirt leader Jatuporn announces campaign to keep "Bangkok open"

[hellodolly]

This is what happens when one side of the political divide decides not to play by the rules. Thank Suthep for any violence

Let me see now the fact that the red shirts went to the university and got violent is Sutheps fault. OK

The men in black who were police officers turned out to be Sutheps fault. OK

The fact that Jutuporn is calling on the red shirts to come into Bangkok and get there way is Sutheps fault.

I mention that because those of us who have been here three years know how the red shirts get what they want.

On the up side we will have the clown with his outlandish statements for a laugh break.

Is he being joined by any of the other Red Shirt leaders or is he doing it alone?

edit

Just remember I hope he doesn't call for the burning up of a fire engine here in Chiang Mai again.

Edited January 2, 2014 by hellodolly

[englishoak]

You cannot expect one side to be allowed to hold the capital hostage and not at some point have a reaction... it is ludicrous to expect and double standards ..

Anyone who expects peoples liberty to be just taken away without a fight is like Suthep... mad. if the police are shackled from doing their job the people have no choice... welcome to a polarized system and the result.

Saying that if the UDD wanted to block the southerners from coming just blockade the south strip around kiri kan and roads in well outside of BKK ...This is what the french would do just block all roads in well outside with trucks etc. nothing moves with a few hundred trucks .blocking main roads. No need for it to get violent.

I pray there is no violence but we all knew at some point the reds were going to say enough is enough....

[Bluespunk]

From reading all these posts, I have come to the sad realization that despite the dreadful events of the past few months, the brazen assaults on democracy and rule of law, the majority of posters here at ThaiVisa have learned nothing. I find it strange that so many of us come from a continent that was devastated by the evils of fascism years ago, yet we do not shudder when we see it reemerging among the so-called "educated" classes of our new adopted home. A reasonable person would be excused for expecting people who come from developed nations, complete with their sterling (relatively) educational systems, to support the democratization of a developing country. It is sad that so many here fail to understand not only the situation in Thailand, but the basic concept of democracy. Democrats don't cheer for coups. Real people of discernment do not buy into disproved myths that one party's vote buying can sway an election in a country of over 60 million people.

For all our education and heritage, the posters here do not seem any wiser than the mobs in the street or the rural poor they so despise.

I have had no sympathy Suthep and his fascist plans from the start, however the demonstrations against the corrupt, nepotistic, undemocratic practices of the PT govt were legitimate. The red stormtroopers are equally fascistic and undemocratic in nature. Like Suthep and his fascist council they have no tolerance for any one who disagrees with them. To criticise this gang of street thugs and their authoritarian leaders is not the same as supporting Suthep.

Edited January 2, 2014 by Bluespunk

[Exsexyman]

Only a complete fool would think he can keep Bangkok open by putting more people on the streets. I mean.. What is their plan? Build more roads??

Almost as stupid as an 11 million baht airline.

Almost as stupid as predicting that Suthep and his 'anti democrats' will bring 10 million supporters onto the streets of Bangkok!

I must say you are nothing if not persistent ThainyTim - Biscuits - Nibbles - etc etc. Banned six times in a month and still here on your seventh user name, with more of the same predictable rabble rousing. Are you going for some kind of TV record?

[tezzainoz]

This is what happens when one side of the political divide decides not to play by the rules. Thank Suthep for any violence

Your Mentor Thaskin has been in touch with you again

Pardon but the protestors in general have been no violence

The violence will start if your friends the red shirts come to town

[Toscano]

As a Thaksin , UDD , Red Shirts suporter , I simply say Please , Please Stay At Home !!!

You will do the government cause no good . Let the PDRC rent a mob cause trouble by themselves .

[Choonpon]

One side Open Bangkok, the other side Shut Bangkok. Is this tug-of-war game?

[tingtongteesood]

Red shirts vow to keep "Bangkok open"
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Red shirt leader Jatuporn Promphan on Thursday announced a new campaign to keep Bangkok open on January 13 to counter the campaign by the anti-government protesters to shut down the capital.

Jatuporn said at the press conference that the time had come for people, red shirt protesters among them, to stand up and fight against what he called the elite's network, which planned to mobilise southerners to oust the elected government.




-- The Nation 2014-01-02

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Red-shirts-vow-to-keep-Bangkok-open-30223326.html

THERE'S YOUR PROBLEM. Once again he uses the tired old 'rich people are trying to do you' line. How much money does he have ? How much does Thaksin have ? How much do all the MP's in PT have, I bet the average amount is in the tens of millions, even if you disregard Thaksin's booty. Have they made any of the farmers rich in 6 months like they promised ? Nope ! When will the brainwashed learn to see the truth, very sad indeed.

Edited January 2, 2014 by metisdead
Edited per fair use policy and supporting link added.

[rubl]

... on the face of it, it seems that their democratically elected Government is trying to be overthrown by some loony talking about People's Councils.

That's exactly what it is

The 'democratically' elected government was being undemocratic is trying to push through an "blanket amnesty bill'. That's when the protests really started. By now the government has stepped down, as such it's interesting that some still talk about 'overthrowing' it.

[tingtongteesood]

This is what happens when one side of the political divide decides not to play by the rules. Thank Suthep for any violence

<deleted> ! The protests are a reaction to PT not playing by the rules Mr. red selective memory. They broke the law, pissed on the constitution and tried to use bully boy tactics. Blame PT and their actions in servitude of their fugitive master for any violence, and for what happened in 2010, that was all his doing too !

[pumpuiman]

I tried to read Jatuporn announcement "between the lines". I'm not shure I'm right, but I have the feeling that:

1: The red want a coup as well. They think that they will still win the elections even after reforms.

2: They expect that a lot of southern demonstrators will go back home if it becomes too dangerous to be in BKK.

I am curious about the strategy as well.

Could this be the suggestion of "Prem" ?

Is this the results of the New Year visit?

[metisdead]

An inflammatory post has been removed.

[tingtongteesood]

Really the UDD/Red Shirts should just keep quiet, if they do come out, it will inevitably play into the oppositions hands as no doubt there will be clashes, deaths and inevitably it will lead to a Coup.

Sadly, I think you are right!

But what do you expect the reds (not a supporter) to do?

Stay on the sideline and just watch the more than 15 million votes, they cast in the last election be voided by a rightwing loony??

Yes I would, just let it take its course, all it is doing is pushing more and more votes to TS parties. Every time one of his parties gets umm removed by unconventional means, it simply pushes more and more people towards him and gives more and more credence to their stuff about elites, military, not democratic etc etc

If power is taken away from them again away from the ballot box then when/if it is returned to a vote, unless the intermediary has completely amended the voting somehow they will win by increasing margins.

Obviously there is no way the military/Dems once they have wrestled power away this time will return to an election until they are 100% sure that a TS party cannot win. Actually this time they will go the whole hog and probably eliminate the whole family from politics which would be no bad thing. (There are many others who should also be told to stay away from politics) After which the pesky 15 year problem of TS will of been seen off and making changes to stop corruption etc can be forgotten about, and the old power families and military can re-position at the trough which they have been extremely unhappy in sharing for the past decade.

Can we stop with all the hypothetical hyperbole and stick to the facts ?

[craigt3365]

I tried to read Jatuporn announcement "between the lines". I'm not shure I'm right, but I have the feeling that:

1: The red want a coup as well. They think that they will still win the elections even after reforms.

2: They expect that a lot of southern demonstrators will go back home if it becomes too dangerous to be in BKK.

All of this is about getting Thaksin his amnesty so he can come home and get his money back. So I can't see how waiting for reforms and then doing another election would help that????

But you do have a point. The reds are not adverse to violence. The current protesters, for the most part, have been very peaceful. So could be a play on their part to get the current protesters to stay home. Like most did in 2010.

But if it gets out of hand, the army will step in and PTP will be out. Again, not really good if Thaksin wants his amnesty. I can't imagine Thaksin wants the reds to do this...again...but who know!!! 5555

[rametindallas]

Until now Suthep and the Dems have been playing their dirty game alone and very easily, with no resistance whatsoever.

The other player (the majority of the people) hoped for the best and hoped that Suthep would come back to his senses.

Now let's see what the game will look like with two players

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You think this is a game?

Now let's see what the game will look like with two players

Will you still put on your smiley face when people die?

[Centrum]

I tried to read Jatuporn announcement "between the lines". I'm not shure I'm right, but I have the feeling that:

1: The red want a coup as well. They think that they will still win the elections even after reforms.

2: They expect that a lot of southern demonstrators will go back home if it becomes too dangerous to be in BKK.

I am curious about the strategy as well.

Could this be the suggestion of "Prem" ?

Is this the results of the New Year visit?

Don't forget, none of the UDD, PT or Red Shirts make any decisions themselves. It all comes from the man in Dubai.

Does he want a coup?

Does he want the streets of Bangkok running with blood, should the Red Shirts make good their threat?

The millions that protested must have sent him him a massive message and he will surely have realised he's not getting his money back, no matter how big his election win maybe.

He's running out of options.

Will street battles help his cause? I don't see how.

Will the inevitable coup help his cause? Not in my mind.

The election is becoming more doubtful by the day.

Keep your eyes on Yingluck and family. If they disappear overnight, it could mean all Hell's gonna break loose.

[tingtongteesood]

Alwyn, on 02 Jan 2014 - 16:00, said:

Prbkk, on 02 Jan 2014 - 15:21, said:

This is what happens when one side of the political divide decides not to play by the rules. Thank Suthep for any violence

I agree totally. I also predict you're going to get battered here about YL being a pawn of Thaksin and it's all Thaksin and red shirts fault, yardy yardy etc

Isn't it Alwyn?

This is when everything started going bad!

Red shirts try to protect their government elected on the back of 15 million votes, what should they do? It's caused by Mr Suthep trying to circumvent the democratic electoral process, nobody else. One thing we agree on is that it's going to get bad, to quote Enoch Powell, "rivers of blood" will be coming. Shame for the normal Thai citizens who had their say in the votes (from both parties not just PT voters). Worse still is that in the future people will think this is normal, don't like the party that's been elected? No problem we'll follow Suthep's example...

Can we stop with this same sad and tired argument ? The entire government should have been impeached for crimes against the country long ago. How can you try to defend their actions ? Thailand does not have democracy. They tried and it went wrong and it has been hijacked by Thaksin and his cronies. This needs sorting out before there can be any vote. We need real checks and balances and we need crooks to be held accountable for their actions. Once there is a new constitution that addresses the problems of the last 20 years properly, then there can be a vote.

[tingtongteesood]

Look what happened the last time the red shirts came to town.

Yes 2 of them were shot dead. The time before that about 80 of them were.

And both times it was the reds who started it. Violence just follows them wherever they go doesn't it, the illustrious 'leader's' private militia. It was a peaceful protest till the red dogs were unleashed on the students. Getting more and more like the IRA and Sinn Fein every day. Soon we will have PT members saying 'I am not a terrorist' - oh wait, that happened already.

[tingtongteesood]

I'm sort of curious (as a 6 month lurker here) just why so many ppl on TV are so anti-red ????

I can't for the life of me see why either side is beneficial to a falangs advantage so why are you lot so polarised to a side of politics that you have no say in legally ?

Well, believe it or not, some people believe in ethics and morality and doing the right thing regardless of whether it is to their advantage or not. Most of what I post on here is trying to correct lies and shoot down bullshit rhetoric because I want people to know the truth instead of what the red brainwashers want you to believe...

[jackptoke]

Hegelian's Philosophy.

Thesis = Anti-Thaksin that want to take away/reduce non-Bangkokians' right

Anti-synthesis = Anti-coup/so-called "pro-democracy"

Soon we will hear an antithesis. I don't know exactly what it is, but it could be "Absolute monarchy".

Both sides are playing their parts in this game.

It makes sense to me, as both sides are claiming to be loyal to the monarchy. So when the pain of separation is no longer bearable, they will be willing to give up their voting rights. In my estimation, both sides serve the same master.

[saakura]

This is what happens when one side of the political divide decides not to play by the rules. Thank Suthep for any violence

lol.

Of course the red side of the divide are a model of fairness and non corrupt means.

But no way can they stand up and be compared to our virtuous yellow brothers, apostles of Gandhi and Dalai Lama, led by a most noble and revered leader. Leaders on All sides are only interested in personal gains. Edited January 2, 2014 by saakura

[Yunla]

"We are ready. If we lose democracy, we don't know what will happen. This month is the month of 'make or break'. Please wait for a signal from us. We will fight under peaceful principles," he said.

I'm buying a helmet.

[SaamBaht]

Suthep and his followers can't stand not having the votes! Finally there is another voice in the country and the can't tolerate it. None in his "moral" pack are any less corrupt than the current majority. They just didn't get the votes needed to decide how the spoils are split. That's it.

[ognixdorf]

This is what happens when one side of the political divide decides not to play by the rules. Thank Suthep for any violence

Who's this guy "Prbkk" ....a Yingluk troll?

[JetsetBkk]

<snip>

Every time one of his parties gets umm removed by unconventional means...

<snip>

Coups are fairly "conventional" here.

[aimbc]

This is going to be quite interesting. I wonder why PTP don't just hold a peaceful rally in their own area to show support for the government. If they care so much for YS and TS. Owing their life to one family. Funny. But I don't think many supporters of the Reds will come out. I have a feeling the result of Corruption Case will be announced just before the 13th and all the government will be nullified. And there won't be any demonstration. Maybe wishful thinking.

[dinom]

As a Thaksin , UDD , Red Shirts suporter , I simply say Please , Please Stay At Home !!!

You will do the government cause no good . Let the PDRC rent a mob cause trouble by themselves .

1. As a Thaksin , UDD , Red Shirts suporter , I simply say Please , Please Stay At Home !!! They won't

2. You will do the government cause no good . Let the PDRC rent a mob cause trouble by themselves . They won't

and that's the difference between the 2 groups

[JHenry]

Please, tanks.

[Centrum]

This is going to be quite interesting. I wonder why PTP don't just hold a peaceful rally in their own area to show support for the government. If they care so much for YS and TS. Owing their life to one family. Funny. But I don't think many supporters of the Reds will come out. I have a feeling the result of Corruption Case will be announced just before the 13th and all the government will be nullified. And there won't be any demonstration. Maybe wishful thinking.

That scenario has played out before. The airport seizure ended with dissolution. The siege at goverment house was over when Samak was sacked.

It seems just before the brink is reached with the anti-Thaksin side, the authorities pass down a timely judgement.

Unfortunately, when the redshirts reach their brink, it's the army who end the occupation.

[whybother]

This is going to be quite interesting. I wonder why PTP don't just hold a peaceful rally in their own area to show support for the government. If they care so much for YS and TS. Owing their life to one family. Funny. But I don't think many supporters of the Reds will come out. I have a feeling the result of Corruption Case will be announced just before the 13th and all the government will be nullified. And there won't be any demonstration. Maybe wishful thinking.

That scenario has played out before. The airport seizure ended with dissolution. The siege at goverment house was over when Samak was sacked.

It seems just before the brink is reached with the anti-Thaksin side, the authorities pass down a timely judgement.

Unfortunately, when the redshirts reach their brink, it's the army who end the occupation.

The seige at government house finished when the protesters moved to the airport. They went to the airport to stop Somchai from landing there. The reason they were blockading government house was to stop the PPP government from passing some pro-Thaksin laws. They stopped the airport protest 2 days after the PPP being dissolved because they knew that PPP couldn't pass the law that they wanted. PTP (ex-PPP MPs that weren't banned) were acting government at that stage.