loonodingle Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 (edited) Jatuporn charged that Suthep did not actually want national reform but wanted to grab absolute power for himself and his associates. I thought Suthep want to reform first then election? Many communities also agree to reform first then election. Only YL(TS) govt refuse to reform first. doesn't Suthep want to Eradicate a whole swaith of Thailand society. Anywhere sort of North and East of Saraburi Edited January 5, 2014 by loonodingle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spalpeen Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 The anti-democracy protesters and their apologists are prone to saying that 'democracy doesn't work in Thailand'. Lets see now, in 81 years of democracy they've had 18 coups, almost one every four years. Well, it's hard for democracy to take root when you have military jackboots stomping all over the shoots every four years. I suggest they try the next eighty years without any more coups and let's see how Thai democracy looks then.Thaksin: "Democracy is not my goal"http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/PMS-DECLARATIONDemocracy-is-not-my-goal-90316.html .Good to see that you agree with me. Democracy should be the goal above all else. Only by having politics free from the ever present threat of coups will democracy fluorish in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 The continued tit for tat behaviour of the leaders in Thailand reminds me of children behaviour problems, it's time the leaders of the community reeled in these so call sh!!t heads and handed the country back to all the people, not just the few, by all means extend the sphere of reform to encompass elections later , however who runs the country in the mean time , that's the million dollar question. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loonodingle Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Most Political leaders throughtout history have displayed at least some of the following, and sourrounded themselves with others who did have, what they were missing. attrative physical attributes charisma intellectual capability/achievment political experience military or business success brutal tendencies Jutaporn seemly lacks all of these, with the possible exception of the last one. He would probably fit in well with one of those 10 on 1 gang street fights. The sad part is the majority of the present PT leadership seems to copy this assesment of qualification, by displaying none or maybe one of the redeeming qualities. As the leaders/cabinet, etc appear to be PT's "pick of the litters", I see no hope of it getting better with them in power. What attributes does Suthep possess. Tyranical Dictatorial Criminal Self Inflated Mental? Bi Polar? Does this make him a better person Than Jataporn. ..?? I don't think so. In fact I can't name One politician who stands out as fit for purpose. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 That famous quote has certainly come back to haunt Thaksin..... I have said for years that with vote buying , there actually is not democracy here, there is only sort of an illusion to keep foreign investors calm. Clearly the system is broken, and watching another Thaksin clone being elected to continue the looting of the country will not help matters. I say give Suthep a chance, he cannot do any worse than the Thaksin clones. If he gets out of control, the military can always step in and pitch him aside. That is the one thing they are good at... GK, your post is spot on. What a tragedy to see such a wonderful country being constantly looted by its " leaders"..... That amazing piece of literature compliments of gk had me going, for a while there I was sure he describing Thaksin and his gang ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 How's Jauporn's mother doing these days? Has he still abandoned her to her life of poverty? And is she still admonishing him for his bad behavior and imploring him to stop it? http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/252729-10000-police-soldiers-security-officials-deployed-to-keep-security-at-government-house/?p=2650374 Poor woman. Shame on Jatuporn. May he be a worm in his next life. What do you mean, "next life" ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGIE Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Nobody will defeat Suthep in the coming election. Why? because he will not join.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asiantravel Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 (edited) What Jatuporn is doing is encouraging Thai citizens to use their democratic right to vote for whatever government they want! And the best the haters here can come up with are some stupid comments about the picture in the OP!! If a majority of the Thai people want to see the country run by the Shins and their cronies, it is their choice! They then have the government, they deserve! If the government they have choosen continue to rob the country blind or bring it to the brink of bankrupcy, then they have to live with the consequenses of having made a bad choice. And hopefully choose wiser next time?? IMO the solution is not madman Sutheps "peoples council"! But that is just me! Of course it is wrong to want a few of the other features of a democracy in place before people exercise their democratic right to vote, otherwise we might end up with something that more resembles a democracy. Thaksin wouldn't like that. Yes but whatever you say at least the present government had the courage to go straight to an election? How does any one know if Suthep or any of this mob seized power, how long they would then hold on to that power with the excuse of we are carrying out reforms? 10 years later they will still be working on them. Just look at what Abhisit said and did in numerous television interviews when he was in power. Anyone who trusts the other side to voluntarily give up power once they have got it are delusional Edited January 5, 2014 by Asiantravel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker69 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 How's Jauporn's mother doing these days? Has he still abandoned her to her life of poverty? And is she still admonishing him for his bad behavior and imploring him to stop it? http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/252729-10000-police-soldiers-security-officials-deployed-to-keep-security-at-government-house/?p=2650374 Poor woman. Shame on Jatuporn. May he be a worm in his next life. What do you mean, "next life" ? In this life i se him as a poisonous snake. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maha Sarakham Marty Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Most Political leaders throughtout history have displayed at least some of the following, and sourrounded themselves with others who did have, what they were missing. attrative physical attributes charisma intellectual capability/achievment political experience military or business success brutal tendencies Jutaporn seemly lacks all of these, with the possible exception of the last one. He would probably fit in well with one of those 10 on 1 gang street fights. The sad part is the majority of the present PT leadership seems to copy this assesment of qualification, by displaying none or maybe one of the redeeming qualities. As the leaders/cabinet, etc appear to be PT's "pick of the litters", I see no hope of it getting better with them in power. I can't name One politician who stands out as fit for purpose. Removing the off-topic bits, it seems you are in agreement with slapout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrtoad Posted January 5, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 5, 2014 Jabba should be in jail, only protected by his parliamentary immunity. Not properly elected either. A revolting piece of work. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul6119 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Jabba should be in jail, only protected by his parliamentary immunity. Not properly elected either. A revolting piece of work. Isn't the immunity gone after the house was dissolved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIHUAHUA Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 If the government had done anything even close to the job it is charged to do constitutionally, you would not have millions of people protesting on the streets. Thais are a very laid back race, and I think less likely to rise up than many other races, taking life as it comes for the most part. The same can be said for past governments of various colors. The point being there is something horribly wrong with the politicians this country creates who are so selfish that they are blind to the fact that running the country to the benefit of everyone would be far more likely to result in stability and far less likely to motivate people to turn out in their millions because they are so incensed and fed up with the politicians raping their country. There will be no democracy in the real sense of the world in Thailand until politicians make some effort to be less self interested and more altruistic to at least some percentage. There is zero love for their country and 100% love for their own pockets. While both parties govern for their own few, how can any stability be expected? Not all countries can govern themselves and perhaps Thailand is one of them where democracy is not working. Mr Suthep in 2010 was Deputy Prime Minister. He headed CRES (Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation) to monitor the situation that April. He was in charge, so to speak and had the power at that time to decide when people could protest and when it would be allowed. He could ban any website, freeze your money, close newspapers etc. He started to lose his power shortly there after and he has missed the authority he no longer has. He is a power- hungary man who has many rich Thais backing him up and probably the military as well. The Thai military usually steps in during a crisis like what is going on now but they say they will not intervene. Mr. Suthep does not represent the average Thai person only the old -money -elite that do not want a democratic government. They say they do but they do not have an understanding of what it means. On the other side the “Shinawatra” family has the control of the poor who look up to that rich family as a savior to them to improve their lives. Perhaps he is not a good choice either but at least he threw the little people a bone. There have been18 coups since the end of absolute monarchy in 1932.The outcome in the following weeks or months may be another blood shed moment in Thai history leading to a civil war. It does not look good. Some people think the Thai people did better under an absolute monarchy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallPalm Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 'Jatuporn charged that Suthep did not actually want national reform but wanted to grab absolute power for himself and his associates.'Spot on - I couldn't agree more. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amavel Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 There you go. The Democratically elected majority raises their head again. How inconvenient for a Democratic Party that doesn't endorse basic democratic foundations such as voting and majority rule. The "People's Council"?...Seriously? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gerry1011 Posted January 5, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 5, 2014 'Jatuporn charged that Suthep did not actually want national reform but wanted to grab absolute power for himself and his associates.' Spot on - I couldn't agree more. And on top of that his "reforms" are so vague that nobody ever had a clue about what it was about... I love to read the posts of these naive farangs who seem to believe that Suthep's "plan" is the panacea when it comes to eradicating corruption. What a bunch of dreamers... Sent from my HTC One using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich teacher Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 'Jatuporn charged that Suthep did not actually want national reform but wanted to grab absolute power for himself and his associates.' Spot on - I couldn't agree more. And on top of that his "reforms" are so vague that nobody ever had a clue about what it was about... I love to read the posts of these naive farangs who seem to believe that Suthep's "plan" is the panacea when it comes to eradicating corruption. What a bunch of dreamers... Sent from my HTC One using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app They've been sucked in by the yellow Thai people they know at work. This has little to do with Thaksin or Yingluck, but their eyes are not clear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Suthep's antics have managed to make Jatuporn appear to be a reasonable politician! Extraordinary! Sent from my GT-I9300 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FangFerang Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 This is lives, human beings Compassion is required. Both sides have honest arguments. I pray they meet in the middle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimamey Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 What Jatuporn is doing is encouraging Thai citizens to use their democratic right to vote for whatever government they want! And the best the haters here can come up with are some stupid comments about the picture in the OP!! If a majority of the Thai people want to see the country run by the Shins and their cronies, it is their choice! They then have the government, they deserve! If the government they have choosen continue to rob the country blind or bring it to the brink of bankrupcy, then they have to live with the consequenses of having made a bad choice. And hopefully choose wiser next time?? IMO the solution is not madman Sutheps "peoples council"! But that is just me! Since it's likely that Thaksin holds a lot of control over PTP why doesn't he come and join in the democracy we hear so much about? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimamey Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Jabba should be in jail, only protected by his parliamentary immunity. Not properly elected either. A revolting piece of work. Isn't the immunity gone after the house was dissolved? I didn't think he was an MP anymore anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thait Spot Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Arch fascist Sent from my Nexus 4 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcbruk Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Sorry to sound gloomy. I read about what is going on here and try to understand, but it is difficult. I love my life in Thailand and hope to spend most of my remaining time here, staying yearly on extended triple entry tourist visas. In your informed opinion does the present political climate hold any fears for my or your future here? Or should I or we prepare for catastrophe? Do many people must share my fears in their varying circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldthaihand99 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 If the government had done anything even close to the job it is charged to do constitutionally, you would not have millions of people protesting on the streets. A few hundred thousand in BKK, a city of around 10 million & a stronghold of the so-called Democratic party, should have been able to get more people on their day off. All they got today was a few thousand. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunisalom Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Sorry to sound gloomy. I read about what is going on here and try to understand, but it is difficult. I love my life in Thailand and hope to spend most of my remaining time here, staying yearly on extended triple entry tourist visas. In your informed opinion does the present political climate hold any fears for my or your future here? Or should I or we prepare for catastrophe? Do many people must share my fears in their varying circumstances. First jester post of 2014! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FangFerang Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Jatuporn charged that Suthep did not actually want national reform but wanted to grab absolute power for himself and his associates. I thought Suthep want to reform first then election? Many communities also agree to reform first then election. Only YL(TS) govt refuse to reform first. "including stealing ballot boxes." What part of 'democracy' is not here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcbruk Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 jester??...or are you saying in your way that I have no need of worry?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokemachine Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Most Political leaders throughtout history have displayed at least some of the following, and sourrounded themselves with others who did have, what they were missing. attrative physical attributes charisma intellectual capability/achievment political experience military or business success brutal tendencies Jutaporn seemly lacks all of these, with the possible exception of the last one. He would probably fit in well with one of those 10 on 1 gang street fights. The sad part is the majority of the present PT leadership seems to copy this assesment of qualification, by displaying none or maybe one of the redeeming qualities. As the leaders/cabinet, etc appear to be PT's "pick of the litters", I see no hope of it getting better with them in power. What attributes does Suthep possess. Tyranical Dictatorial Criminal Self Inflated Mental? Bi Polar? Does this make him a better person Than Jataporn. ..?? I don't think so. In fact I can't name One politician who stands out as fit for purpose. There is one. TS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokemachine Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Jatuporn charged that Suthep did not actually want national reform but wanted to grab absolute power for himself and his associates. I thought Suthep want to reform first then election? Many communities also agree to reform first then election. Only YL(TS) govt refuse to reform first. "including stealing ballot boxes." What part of 'democracy' is not here? Did Suthep has stolen the ballot boxes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pawpcorn Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I totally agree with Jatuporn. He is the voice of reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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