The key to why most people who lose weight fail to maintain the weight loss

[h90]

Yes, societies that aren't dealing with actual hunger and starvation probably have this other problem and there is a lot that can be done in youth for prevention ... and so much easier and more likely to succeed than later once the problems are set in. In my view, it ought to be a bigger political issue. Such as pushing large food companies to take more responsibility to do their part as well.

Well there were a lot times were societies had enough food, but didn't get fat.

cheap pre-processed food with lots of sugar is the problem.

That political issue isn't easy.....either you use fascist methods...Make some Hitler Jugend to keep them from the bad food. Or you go the Stalinist way and dictate companies and what is available in the supermarkets.

In both ways complete loose of freedom.....And it will create a black market black market farmed honey, smuggled sugar

[JSixpack]

Obese people eat for different reasons at different times like anyone else, but I think it is kind of "mysterious" why so many obese people still feel VERY HUNGRY after eating quite a lot so then eat even more because it's natural for humans to feed their hunger ... and this "alternative" theory provides a possible clue or even explanation.

Not talking here about gluttony, food lust, emotionally triggered over eating but the strong PHYSICAL feeling of hunger itself.

This isn't the first source where the issue of why obese people tend to be so HUNGRY is explored.

Easily explained by ever-growing insulin resistance that eventually results in diabetes. Cf. an addict who needs more and more of a drug because of increasing tolerance.

It's behind the paradox that you're not fat because you eat too much but that you eat too much because you're fat.

The "factor in the environment," with its subtle political overtone, is merely the promotion of sugar and carbs by the food industry and accordingly blessed by government authorities. Read Death By Food Pyramid or Wheat Belly. Gradually in the medical establishment the tide is turning towards low-carb diets, but now sugar, bread, rice, and pasta are as culturally ingrained among the Great Unwashed as Sugar Frosted Flakes. Now parents obey the kids, and of course kids want sweets.

Kinda funny as when I started years ago, alone, to educate forum members about low carb, my posts were met with sneers and howls of derision by the brainwashed. But now a lot of members, even the gym rats, have started to accept it and get on board.

[Tolley]

Obese people eat for different reasons at different times like anyone else, but I think it is kind of "mysterious" why so many obese people still feel VERY HUNGRY after eating quite a lot so then eat even more because it's natural for humans to feed their hunger ... and this "alternative" theory provides a possible clue or even explanation.

Not talking here about gluttony, food lust, emotionally triggered over eating but the strong PHYSICAL feeling of hunger itself.

This isn't the first source where the issue of why obese people tend to be so HUNGRY is explored.

Easily explained by ever-growing insulin resistance that eventually results in diabetes. Cf. an addict who needs more and more of a drug because of increasing tolerance.

It's behind the paradox that you're not fat because you eat too much but that you eat too much because you're fat.

The "factor in the environment," with its subtle political overtone, is merely the promotion of sugar and carbs by the food industry and accordingly blessed by government authorities. Read Death By Food Pyramid or Wheat Belly. Gradually in the medical establishment the tide is turning towards low-carb diets, but now sugar, bread, rice, and pasta are as culturally ingrained among the Great Unwashed as Sugar Frosted Flakes. Now parents obey the kids, and of course kids want sweets.

Kinda funny as when I started years ago, alone, to educate forum members about low carb, my posts were met with sneers and howls of derision by the brainwashed. But now a lot of members, even the gym rats, have started to accept it and get on board.

[Tolley]

Obese people eat for different reasons at different times like anyone else, but I think it is kind of "mysterious" why so many obese people still feel VERY HUNGRY after eating quite a lot so then eat even more because it's natural for humans to feed their hunger ... and this "alternative" theory provides a possible clue or even explanation.

Not talking here about gluttony, food lust, emotionally triggered over eating but the strong PHYSICAL feeling of hunger itself.

This isn't the first source where the issue of why obese people tend to be so HUNGRY is explored.

Easily explained by ever-growing insulin resistance that eventually results in diabetes. Cf. an addict who needs more and more of a drug because of increasing tolerance.

It's behind the paradox that you're not fat because you eat too much but that you eat too much because you're fat.

The "factor in the environment," with its subtle political overtone, is merely the promotion of sugar and carbs by the food industry and accordingly blessed by government authorities. Read Death By Food Pyramid or Wheat Belly. Gradually in the medical establishment the tide is turning towards low-carb diets, but now sugar, bread, rice, and pasta are as culturally ingrained among the Great Unwashed as Sugar Frosted Flakes. Now parents obey the kids, and of course kids want sweets.

Kinda funny as when I started years ago, alone, to educate forum members about low carb, my posts were met with sneers and howls of derision by the brainwashed. But now a lot of members, even the gym rats, have started to accept it and get on board.

[Tolley]

Obese people eat for different reasons at different times like anyone else, but I think it is kind of "mysterious" why so many obese people still feel VERY HUNGRY after eating quite a lot so then eat even more because it's natural for humans to feed their hunger ... and this "alternative" theory provides a possible clue or even explanation.

Not talking here about gluttony, food lust, emotionally triggered over eating but the strong PHYSICAL feeling of hunger itself.

This isn't the first source where the issue of why obese people tend to be so HUNGRY is explored.

Easily explained by ever-growing insulin resistance that eventually results in diabetes. Cf. an addict who needs more and more of a drug because of increasing tolerance.

It's behind the paradox that you're not fat because you eat too much but that you eat too much because you're fat.

The "factor in the environment," with its subtle political overtone, is merely the promotion of sugar and carbs by the food industry and accordingly blessed by government authorities. Read Death By Food Pyramid or Wheat Belly. Gradually in the medical establishment the tide is turning towards low-carb diets, but now sugar, bread, rice, and pasta are as culturally ingrained among the Great Unwashed as Sugar Frosted Flakes. Now parents obey the kids, and of course kids want sweets.

Kinda funny as when I started years ago, alone, to educate forum members about low carb, my posts were met with sneers and howls of derision by the brainwashed. But now a lot of members, even the gym rats, have started to accept it and get on board.

[h90]

Obese people eat for different reasons at different times like anyone else, but I think it is kind of "mysterious" why so many obese people still feel VERY HUNGRY after eating quite a lot so then eat even more because it's natural for humans to feed their hunger ... and this "alternative" theory provides a possible clue or even explanation.

Not talking here about gluttony, food lust, emotionally triggered over eating but the strong PHYSICAL feeling of hunger itself.

This isn't the first source where the issue of why obese people tend to be so HUNGRY is explored.

Easily explained by ever-growing insulin resistance that eventually results in diabetes. Cf. an addict who needs more and more of a drug because of increasing tolerance.

It's behind the paradox that you're not fat because you eat too much but that you eat too much because you're fat.

The "factor in the environment," with its subtle political overtone, is merely the promotion of sugar and carbs by the food industry and accordingly blessed by government authorities. Read Death By Food Pyramid or Wheat Belly. Gradually in the medical establishment the tide is turning towards low-carb diets, but now sugar, bread, rice, and pasta are as culturally ingrained among the Great Unwashed as Sugar Frosted Flakes. Now parents obey the kids, and of course kids want sweets.

Kinda funny as when I started years ago, alone, to educate forum members about low carb, my posts were met with sneers and howls of derision by the brainwashed. But now a lot of members, even the gym rats, have started to accept it and get on board.

problem is that all these super sweet breakfast cereals are promoted as healthy. So the parents think they do something good to their children.

Sugar + other easy to digest carbs and on top a lot fat from the milk. Surely perfect for farmer to get pigs fat....

Even the "healthy" no sugar musli have plenty of sugar, declared smart (grape syrup, etc)

[robblok]

Obese people eat for different reasons at different times like anyone else, but I think it is kind of "mysterious" why so many obese people still feel VERY HUNGRY after eating quite a lot so then eat even more because it's natural for humans to feed their hunger ... and this "alternative" theory provides a possible clue or even explanation.

Not talking here about gluttony, food lust, emotionally triggered over eating but the strong PHYSICAL feeling of hunger itself.

This isn't the first source where the issue of why obese people tend to be so HUNGRY is explored.

Easily explained by ever-growing insulin resistance that eventually results in diabetes. Cf. an addict who needs more and more of a drug because of increasing tolerance.

It's behind the paradox that you're not fat because you eat too much but that you eat too much because you're fat.

The "factor in the environment," with its subtle political overtone, is merely the promotion of sugar and carbs by the food industry and accordingly blessed by government authorities. Read Death By Food Pyramid or Wheat Belly. Gradually in the medical establishment the tide is turning towards low-carb diets, but now sugar, bread, rice, and pasta are as culturally ingrained among the Great Unwashed as Sugar Frosted Flakes. Now parents obey the kids, and of course kids want sweets.

Kinda funny as when I started years ago, alone, to educate forum members about low carb, my posts were met with sneers and howls of derision by the brainwashed. But now a lot of members, even the gym rats, have started to accept it and get on board.

problem is that all these super sweet breakfast cereals are promoted as healthy. So the parents think they do something good to their children.

Sugar + other easy to digest carbs and on top a lot fat from the milk. Surely perfect for farmer to get pigs fat....

Even the "healthy" no sugar musli have plenty of sugar, declared smart (grape syrup, etc)

I have always known about carbs, only make the exception of having healthy carbs in my diet at times. But of course not the crap like sugary stuff. It all depends on the quality and quantity of the carbs and how well a person tolerates them. We are not all created equal, look at people who are lactose intolerant and those who are not.

But its a big shame all those breakfast serials coated with sugar promoted as healthy, and of course peer pressure between kids on the food they eat.

[leggo]

It's all a question of discipline. The reason such a large percentage of the world is obese is that they are lazy and undisciplined. I hate the 'fat' fashion. Like other commentators I am hungry a lot of the time. Six mornings a week I swim 1km and four times a week I crosstrain for an hour.I weigh 70 kgs - I'm 69, don't smoke and have the very rare glass of wine. I rarely have dinner just some fruit or salad and drink loads of water. I owe it to my body .What is not said enough is that obese people push up food prices which deprives the poorest people from eating everyday!

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[h90]

It's all a question of discipline. The reason such a large percentage of the world is obese is that they are lazy and undisciplined. I hate the 'fat' fashion. Like other commentators I am hungry a lot of the time. Six mornings a week I swim 1km and four times a week I crosstrain for an hour.I weigh 70 kgs - I'm 69, don't smoke and have the very rare glass of wine. I rarely have dinner just some fruit or salad and drink loads of water. I owe it to my body .What is not said enough is that obese people push up food prices which deprives the poorest people from eating everyday!

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While you are right, if someone got fed fat as child, it is much more difficult to diet and keep the low weight, than if someone is maintaining it all the life.

Misinformation on how to life healthy makes it worse.

And face it, most people are weak. But still they don't deserve to get fat....40-50 years ago the same kind of people weren't.

[JSixpack]

It's all a question of discipline.

No, it's a question of ignorance.

The unjustified "discipline" charge is a reinvention of the deadly sins of Sloth and Gluttony. It started with the blessing of carb-laden diets, the concomitant rise in obesity, and the new ONLY weight-loss method (your method): starve&sweat. Successful tarve&sweaters love to congratulate themselves and feel superior about their discipline.

[h90]

It's all a question of discipline.

No, it's a question of ignorance.

The unjustified "discipline" charge is a reinvention of the deadly sins of Sloth and Gluttony. It started with the blessing of carb-laden diets, the concomitant rise in obesity, and the new ONLY weight-loss method (your method): starve&sweat. Successful tarve&sweaters love to congratulate themselves and feel superior about their discipline.

you aren't right on this.....Disciplined people who reduce and hold their weight with starve&sweat and discipline are superior to these who just eat everything they can grab. To be disciplined is a very good character property.

And also to eat low/no carbs you need discipline and not just push every sweet cake into your mouth....

Nothing wrong with disciplined and successful.

[JSixpack]

It's all a question of discipline.

No, it's a question of ignorance.

The unjustified "discipline" charge is a reinvention of the deadly sins of Sloth and Gluttony. It started with the blessing of carb-laden diets, the concomitant rise in obesity, and the new ONLY weight-loss method (your method): starve&sweat. Successful tarve&sweaters love to congratulate themselves and feel superior about their discipline.

you aren't right on this.....Disciplined people who reduce and hold their weight with starve&sweat and discipline are superior to these who just eat everything they can grab. To be disciplined is a very good character property.

And also to eat low/no carbs you need discipline and not just push every sweet cake into your mouth....

Nothing wrong with disciplined and successful.

After you're educated about the whole process of what's actually causing unwanted weight gain and you start down the low-carb road, it takes merely the average, normal amount of discipline everyone has--partly because the carb addiction goes away and also because the food tastes great. Anyone who decides to lose weight can do it w/o any extraordinary effort.

And for an average, normal effort, no special awards and merit badges are justified.

Now, exercising regularly to achieve fitness--a different subject--and hence looking in good shape does take more than average discipline and may legitimately be a point of pride, IMO.

[robblok]

It's all a question of discipline.

No, it's a question of ignorance.

The unjustified "discipline" charge is a reinvention of the deadly sins of Sloth and Gluttony. It started with the blessing of carb-laden diets, the concomitant rise in obesity, and the new ONLY weight-loss method (your method): starve&sweat. Successful tarve&sweaters love to congratulate themselves and feel superior about their discipline.

you aren't right on this.....Disciplined people who reduce and hold their weight with starve&sweat and discipline are superior to these who just eat everything they can grab. To be disciplined is a very good character property.

And also to eat low/no carbs you need discipline and not just push every sweet cake into your mouth....

Nothing wrong with disciplined and successful.

After you're educated about the whole process of what's actually causing unwanted weight gain and you start down the low-carb road, it takes merely the average, normal amount of discipline everyone has--partly because the carb addiction goes away and also because the food tastes great. Anyone who decides to lose weight can do it w/o any extraordinary effort.

And for an average, normal effort, no special awards and merit badges are justified.

Now, exercising regularly to achieve fitness--a different subject--and hence looking in good shape does take more than average discipline and may legitimately be a point of pride, IMO.

Staying on weight is quite easy (ok i slipped up a bit gained 2,5 kg) but in general if you stay low carb then its easy to stay on weight. Loosing weight even with low carb (im now doing close to no carbs) still gives me hunger. Other people might be more lucky but in my opinion loosing weight will always be a bit harder as staying on weight as hunger is involved. Discipline helps then.

[h90]

It's all a question of discipline.

No, it's a question of ignorance.

The unjustified "discipline" charge is a reinvention of the deadly sins of Sloth and Gluttony. It started with the blessing of carb-laden diets, the concomitant rise in obesity, and the new ONLY weight-loss method (your method): starve&sweat. Successful tarve&sweaters love to congratulate themselves and feel superior about their discipline.

you aren't right on this.....Disciplined people who reduce and hold their weight with starve&sweat and discipline are superior to these who just eat everything they can grab. To be disciplined is a very good character property.

And also to eat low/no carbs you need discipline and not just push every sweet cake into your mouth....

Nothing wrong with disciplined and successful.

After you're educated about the whole process of what's actually causing unwanted weight gain and you start down the low-carb road, it takes merely the average, normal amount of discipline everyone has--partly because the carb addiction goes away and also because the food tastes great. Anyone who decides to lose weight can do it w/o any extraordinary effort.

And for an average, normal effort, no special awards and merit badges are justified.

Now, exercising regularly to achieve fitness--a different subject--and hence looking in good shape does take more than average discipline and may legitimately be a point of pride, IMO.

So what you say is: when people are educated on low carbs, there won't be any fat one anymore?

If you live what people believe is normal, with the jam at breakfast the sugar in the coffee, the burger and the sweet mcsomething etc etc than changing to the food you and I eat isn't easy. Your family your friends would try to brake you because it isn't healthy. Your wife will be extreme upset because you don't eat the food she cooked for you. Your body is screaming for sugar and carbohydrates he is used to the last 30 years.

etc etc etc

I think it is far more difficult than stopping smoking.

For me everyone who manage it deserves the Nitzsche Uebermensch award.

[JSixpack]

It's all a question of discipline.

No, it's a question of ignorance.

The unjustified "discipline" charge is a reinvention of the deadly sins of Sloth and Gluttony. It started with the blessing of carb-laden diets, the concomitant rise in obesity, and the new ONLY weight-loss method (your method): starve&sweat. Successful tarve&sweaters love to congratulate themselves and feel superior about their discipline.

After you're educated about the whole process of what's actually causing unwanted weight gain and you start down the low-carb road, it takes merely the average, normal amount of discipline everyone has--partly because the carb addiction goes away and also because the food tastes great. Anyone who decides to lose weight can do it w/o any extraordinary effort.

And for an average, normal effort, no special awards and merit badges are justified.

Now, exercising regularly to achieve fitness--a different subject--and hence looking in good shape does take more than average discipline and may legitimately be a point of pride, IMO.

So what you say is: when people are educated on low carbs, there won't be any fat one anymore?

If you live what people believe is normal, with the jam at breakfast the sugar in the coffee, the burger and the sweet mcsomething etc etc than changing to the food you and I eat isn't easy. Your family your friends would try to brake you because it isn't healthy. Your wife will be extreme upset because you don't eat the food she cooked for you. Your body is screaming for sugar and carbohydrates he is used to the last 30 years.

etc etc etc

I think it is far more difficult than stopping smoking.

For me everyone who manage it deserves the Nitzsche Uebermensch award.

One can always find extreme cases that don't prove the rule (a common form of argument here on the forum), and irrelevant cases, such as yours of a non-dieter. Actually the general concept of dieting is well accepted among the masses as everyone has had to try it at one time or another. In fact, dieters, esp. the obese, often receive much encouragement for their efforts. Yes, the will and initial desire must be there. But my disagreement was w/ leggo's typical ignorant calores in/calories out assertion: "It's all a question of discipline." ALL.

Gary Taubes, commenting on a 1971 survey of obesity in Czechoslovakia:

Referring to obesity as a "form of malnutrition" comes with

no moral judgments attached, no belief system, no veiled

insinuations of gluttony and sloth. It merely says that something

is wrong with the food supply and it might behoove us to ftnd out

what.

--Gary Taubes, Why We Get Fat

Overweight people can be quite disciplined about physical activity and cutting calories but still not lose weight. In fact, that's a common complaint among them. Hence they give up trying what obviously isn't working for them. It isn't working because they're still eating the wrong foods and the exercise is nearly useless for the purpose--though starve&sweat demand both.

With low carb, they don't need to exercise purely for the weight loss (much harder for the obese and with much higher risk of injury) and they can eat until full, so that the hunger goes away. Hence little discipline is actually required once one understands the diet and gets over carb addiction (about two weeks). I've even seen a Thai lose interest in eating rice!

Yes, following the mandates of starve&sweat does require quite a bit of discipline--hence its low rate of success--but advocates don't realize there's a much easier way.

[robblok]

One can always find extreme cases that don't prove the rule (a common form of argument here on the forum), and irrelevant cases, such as yours of a non-dieter. Actually the general concept of dieting is well accepted among the masses as everyone has had to try it at one time or another. In fact, dieters, esp. the obese, often receive much encouragement for their efforts. Yes, the will and initial desire must be there. But my disagreement was w/ leggo's typical ignorant calores in/calories out assertion: "It's all a question of discipline." ALL.

Gary Taubes, commenting on a 1971 survey of obesity in Czechoslovakia:

Referring to obesity as a "form of malnutrition" comes with

no moral judgments attached, no belief system, no veiled

insinuations of gluttony and sloth. It merely says that something

is wrong with the food supply and it might behoove us to ftnd out

what.

--Gary Taubes, Why We Get Fat

Overweight people can be quite disciplined about physical activity and cutting calories but still not lose weight. In fact, that's a common complaint among them. Hence they give up trying what obviously isn't working for them. It isn't working because they're still eating the wrong foods and the exercise is nearly useless for the purpose--though starve&sweat demand both.

With low carb, they don't need to exercise purely for the weight loss (much harder for the obese and with much higher risk of injury) and they can eat until full, so that the hunger goes away. Hence little discipline is actually required once one understands the diet and gets over carb addiction (about two weeks). I've even seen a Thai lose interest in eating rice!

Yes, following the mandates of starve&sweat does require quite a bit of discipline--hence its low rate of success--but advocates don't realize there's a much easier way.

There is still the discipline of eating only the low carb foods, its no different then working out in the gym. Its something you have to do and stick to. It is certainly not always easy to stick to low carb especially not in a family setting. I can do what I want as my gf is mostly working as a guide so away from home. But don't you think that if you have a wife that she likes to take you to certain Thai restaurants and that choices then aren't always easy.

You always make it sound like its so easy while it is not.. maybe for you but not for others H90 made a real valid point and you choose to ignore it, in some ways your real set in your ways.

I can tell you still i can't eat till I am full on low carb and still loose weight (at least not in a fast way). I still have hunger just like I had when i counted calories. Why because the body knows it is short on energy. Not everyone is without hunger on low carb.

[JSixpack]

There is still the discipline of eating only the low carb foods, its no different then working out in the gym.

TOTALLY different. We'll have to agree to disagree on that point.

Its something you have to do and stick to. It is certainly not always easy to stick to low carb especially not in a family setting. I can do what I want as my gf is mostly working as a guide so away from home. But don't you think that if you have a wife that she likes to take you to certain Thai restaurants and that choices then aren't always easy.

It's always easy to go low carb at a Thai restaurant. For example, they all have pat pak luum sai gai, "Stir fried veggies w/ chicken." Som tam!!! Sometimes you must ask for "no sugar." Here's a low-carb forum thread on the issue: http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=445391

You always make it sound like its so easy while it is not.. maybe for you but not for others H90 made a real valid point and you choose to ignore it, in some ways your real set in your ways.

It's pretty easy with just average motivation to low carb diet IF you know what you're doing. Education, as I noted, is key--the education you've made it one your missions to prevent here on the forum, though lately even you have had to admit the efficacy of low carb.

Obviously I very much didn't ignore H90's attempted point backed by an irrelevant example of a non-dieter but addressed it and refuted it in favor of my original point about education. Rather, you're just ignoring my refutation. With good education on the subject, no one needs any extraordinary discipline to low carb. But "discipline" is always a point of self-pride and self-congratulations w/ the starve&sweat brigade and it's hardly unexpected that you'd wish to emphasize it, given your investment. Not successful w/ starve&sweat? Your body compensated? Starve&sweat more, you lazy pigs! Discipline is ALL (leggo)! Hut 2 3 4! Hut 2 3 4! Hut 2 3 4!

I've been there & done it, pal.

I can tell you still i can't eat till I am full on low carb and still loose weight (at least not in a fast way). I still have hunger just like I had when i counted calories. Why because the body knows it is short on energy. Not everyone is without hunger on low carb.

Oh, you probably don't follow all the low carb rules, don't know much about it, don't own a low-carb diet book, and are already insulin resistant. For example, you've been brainwashed for decades to eat only skinless chicken and that's the only way you'll eat it. You're still weighing food, fer Chrissake.

Too rapid weight loss isn't particularly desirable. This subforum isn't targeted at gym rats going into a cutting phase--so I've never figured out why you're in here at all. It's for an average beer belly or worse--guys who for many a moon haven't been been able to look down and see their peckers. (Not to exclude the ladies of course!)

Every metabolism is different, but mostly in favor of those who can eat high carb diets w/ no ill effects whatsoever. Your "party of one" is outweighed by all the success stories of countless others. Hence anyone wishing to lose excessive weight should give it a try but know the theory behind it and follow one of the prescribed diet lists, which is pretty easy 'cause you can be full and eat a lot of delicious food other diets forbid.

[robblok]

@jsixpack

Ok, ill agree with you that if you go for rapid weight loss then even on low carb you feel hungry.. probably if you go slower you won't feel it. I am pretty ok maintenance on low carb no hunger at all.

As for the chicken.. I go for chicken with the skin for the fat that is standard for low carb. I am not totally ignorant about low carb as I have a real good idea how it works. I have read a lot about it just like you and find it useful for sure.

I am not insulin resistant of course, but there was period when I was fat that I had bad scores on blood tests. That is long gone now because of changed eating habits and my bloodsuger improved and the test H1Ab (or something like that that test blood sugar over a longer period ) is great.

I am not saying don't try low carb, its a real effective tool and we agree on that, I think we only disagree in nuances probably.

Sometimes low carb is hard to do and of course you can order veggies with chicken stir fried. But low carb is not always possible. But when not trying to loose weight I go for the 80% rule.. trying to eat right 80% or more of the times and not fret about the times that i cant.

The only reason I gained some weight was alcohol and chocolates in a stressful time, its now gone, but I decided to go a bit lower in body weight. I will see how that goes but i found that (personal) skipping breakfast (fasting longer) and doing 2 low to zero carb meals works quite well. But because I want to loose weight faster there is the hunger.

I must have misunderstood that you mean gradual weight loss, there you are much closer to maintenance and thus probably satisfied and no hunger.

Anyway probably just nuances that we differ and I do believe that for many people lowish carb is a good tool especially if they were eating a lot of processed foods. If I only could get my dad to do that.

Guy is real active 60 km biking runs are quite normal (not to loose weight but to keep his heart working good after a bypass). But he is still fat because he eats the wrong things. But he is too suborn to listen to me or maybe just wants to live his live his last bit of life his way.

[singa-traz]

Quick update:

• Last 2-3 months, the weight has reached a plateau. Am I failing?
• Possible explanations:
  • Got busy at work
  • Increased number of social lunch/dinner
  • Getting close to the last miles (another 5kg to go)
  • Over-estimating the reward I could afford :-)
  • Reduced level of physical activity with the heat
  • Too much sugar in the coffee
  • I built muscle? 555
  • I got distracted
  • I got bored of this "project"
  • ...
• Solutions:
  • Quit my job! :-)
  • Ban myself from Starbucks
  • Go for a swim on my "rest" day
  • Declare that vacation time is over!
  • ...
  • Open to realistic suggestions
  • ...

[robblok]

To be honest in my weight loss time I have hit plenty of plateaus and they are hard to break usually you need extreme measures then.. once broken you will go down again. I have seen it quite a few times. I must say your plateau seems to be quite long.

So either eat less or workout harder.. or both.. then when the plateau is broken go back to normal.

[h90]

It looks nice....a STABLE 10 kg less....that is very good.

Keep the rest day.

Declare martial law and ban starbucks, review your food and eliminate the worst things.

[JSixpack]

Quick update:

• Last 2-3 months, the weight has reached a plateau. Am I failing?
• Possible explanations:
• Too much sugar in the coffee

• pasta :-)

Cut carbs; do some intermittent fasting. You're done.

[Kitsune]

For me it's the arthritis creeping back, as I killed my juicer and have not got enough raw dark green leafy in me.

So while saving to get a new one, I'm gradually switching from WFPBD to 80/10/10.

Still eat starch once a day.

Anyone on 80/10/10 here that could give tips,on this diet in Thailand, especially on dressings?

cheers

[Briggsy]

singa-traz

You have become less vigilant. This covers pretty much all of your explanations. If your goal is 80 kg, you must ramp your vigilance of calorific intake and exercise back up again.

And then maintain it.

Good luck.

[Kitsune]

Repeat after me : Calories restriction does not work

We have been doing it for decades and yet millions of people are still fat, sick and fighting overweight in vain.

[h90]

Repeat after me : Calories restriction does not work

We have been doing it for decades and yet millions of people are still fat, sick and fighting overweight in vain.

It is well proofed that it works...just look at places where people don't have enough food....They get slimmer and slimmer and not fat.

Just many people don't have the will power to do it.

My father lost 20 kg a 10-15 years ago by just eating half of the usual amount. And now I estimate he is still 15-20 kg lighter.

[Kitsune]

• A protein calorie is NOT the same as a carbohydrate calorie.

• The thermic effect of different macronutrients varies just as the thermic effect of processed foods is much less than of whole foods.

• Macronutrient ratios will determine hormone response.

• The total amount of calories you eat in a day DO matter for body composition—if you are overeating, you will gain weight, but whether that weight results in fat or muscle gain depends on macronutrient ratios.

• If you aren’t overeating, simply altering the macronutrient ratios to manage insulin and the hormone response of food can lead to fat loss and significantly improve body composition.

[robblok]

• A protein calorie is NOT the same as a carbohydrate calorie.

• The thermic effect of different macronutrients varies just as the thermic effect of processed foods is much less than of whole foods.

• Macronutrient ratios will determine hormone response.

• The total amount of calories you eat in a day DO matter for body composition—if you are overeating, you will gain weight, but whether that weight results in fat or muscle gain depends on macronutrient ratios.

• If you aren’t overeating, simply altering the macronutrient ratios to manage insulin and the hormone response of food can lead to fat loss and significantly improve body composition.

Ok so we established calories in do work but not 100% the same as they are not all equal. I agree here though it does depend on the body but refined sugars and carbohydrates are bad. But in the end it does matter how much you eat in calories because if you eat less of your healthy diet you will loose weight

Body-composition and proteins.. nice you can eat all the proteins you want but you will not gain muscle unless you do some sort of exercise. The body will not make muscles if there is no need for it (no exercise)

[Kitsune]

Carbohydrates are not bad, they are the necessary fuel of your body and should be your main food intake.

What is bad is processed carbs (sugar, white flours, oils), just as processed proteins (meat, fish, eggs) are bad.

Here is the pyramid

[h90]

No they are not necessary. It is proofed that the body can live with zero carbohydrates. It replaces them mostly with ketone bodies and can produce them from protein.

You need protein and you need essential fat acids so you need to eat fat but you don't need carbs.

Carbohydrates are not bad, they are the necessary fuel of your body and should be your main food intake.

What is bad is processed carbs (sugar, white flours, oils), just as processed proteins (meat, fish, eggs) are bad.

Here is the pyramid