Major evidence that low carb diets not needed for long term weight loss/maintenance success

[robblok]

In general I am low carb, done some carb cycling seems to work too.

I am not against carbs, at least not against carbs like oats and musli, processed carbs that is a different story. Studies have shown that low carb is a bit more effective as other food programs in loosing weight and maintaining it. But the key still is eating less to loose weight just eating no carbs alone wont help you if you overeat.

If you don't eat carbs, and reduce fat, you can't overeat.....You just don't want another chicken breast, egg or pork......you may still hungry but don't want more protein.

For you maybe.. I am different I can eat a kg of meat if need be. We are all different.

[h90]

In general I am low carb, done some carb cycling seems to work too.

I am not against carbs, at least not against carbs like oats and musli, processed carbs that is a different story. Studies have shown that low carb is a bit more effective as other food programs in loosing weight and maintaining it. But the key still is eating less to loose weight just eating no carbs alone wont help you if you overeat.

If you don't eat carbs, and reduce fat, you can't overeat.....You just don't want another chicken breast, egg or pork......you may still hungry but don't want more protein.

For you maybe.. I am different I can eat a kg of meat if need be. We are all different.

I can eat a kg meat...I think once I ate a 500 gram followed by a 700 gram steak

But did you try it every day? Without a trace of carbs? (Limit is one baby carrot per day). (so I am not sure if your vegetable juice is still in the limit). Of course no nuts.

Just meat, and some worthless vegetables to prevent congestion.

I doubt that anyone but Feloidea can do that.

We differ only at the trigger points, but if extreme enough it should give everyone the same results.

[JSixpack]

If you don't eat carbs, and reduce fat, you can't overeat.....You just don't want another chicken breast, egg or pork......you may still hungry but don't want more protein.

For you maybe.. I am different I can eat a kg of meat if need be. We are all different.

"Can," "if need be" beg the question.

[robblok]

Can easy if its a pork roast.. will be a bit harder if its dry chicken. Believe me, i can get fat on meat alone on low carb. That is probably not what you want to hear because you believe its an easy way for everyone. I just is not, it takes discipline like other food programs. It is more efficient at loosing weight but its not without effort.

Once on weight, I can eat pretty much till satisfied on low carb no argument there, but not in the weight loss phase, or maybe if you only want to loose a kg a month or so.

[Kitsune]

Fruits are carbs, low carbs would mean no fruits?

Low carb diet is a non sense.

[robblok]

Fruits are carbs, low carbs would mean no fruits?

Low carb diet is a non sense.

You are a non sense.. you have absolutely no credibility. You totally lost out in the other threat with your vegan diet where you would not wanted to acknowledge chimps eat meat and humans evolved because of eating meat.

You can eat fruit on low carb, low carb is not NO carb. It al depends how low carb you go but you can easily put some fruit in a low carb food program.

[Kitsune]

Fruits are carbs, low carbs would mean no fruits?

Low carb diet is a non sense.

You are a non sense.. you have absolutely no credibility. You totally lost out in the other threat with your vegan diet where you would not wanted to acknowledge chimps eat meat and humans evolved because of eating meat.

You can eat fruit on low carb, low carb is not NO carb. It al depends how low carb you go but you can easily put some fruit in a low carb food program.

Personal attacks again?

I have no interest in debating with people incapable of keeping cool

Call it "losing" if you will, i don't really care.

[robblok]

Fruits are carbs, low carbs would mean no fruits?

Low carb diet is a non sense.

You are a non sense.. you have absolutely no credibility. You totally lost out in the other threat with your vegan diet where you would not wanted to acknowledge chimps eat meat and humans evolved because of eating meat.

You can eat fruit on low carb, low carb is not NO carb. It al depends how low carb you go but you can easily put some fruit in a low carb food program.

Personal attacks again?

I have no interest in debating with people incapable of keeping cool

Call it "losing" if you will, i don't really care.

You mean you have no interest in debating with someone who uses facts as a weapon. You never admitted you were wrong while you clearly were. You started the personal attacks with calling me a liar (in other words)

Saying my information was not good.. telling me that repeating myself would not make it any more true.

Then the facts came out again and several others agreed and showed you the error of your way with yet more facts.

You never so much acknowledged them.

[canman]

There are good carbs and bad carbs. For me low carbs is cutting out the bad carbs.

6 months now and down to 94 from 112Kg.

[robblok]

There are good carbs and bad carbs. For me low carbs is cutting out the bad carbs.

6 months now and down to 94 from 112Kg.

I agree.. not all carbs are evil and cutting out all carbs is real hard. Zero carbs is almost impossible and not needed.

(it might be for those who want to be in ketose)

[Kitsune]

There are good carbs and bad carbs. For me low carbs is cutting out the bad carbs.

6 months now and down to 94 from 112Kg.

Yes processed carbs are to be avoided

Edited June 18, 2014 by Kitsune

[Kitsune]

Fruits are carbs, low carbs would mean no fruits?

Low carb diet is a non sense.

You are a non sense.. you have absolutely no credibility. You totally lost out in the other threat with your vegan diet where you would not wanted to acknowledge chimps eat meat and humans evolved because of eating meat.

You can eat fruit on low carb, low carb is not NO carb. It al depends how low carb you go but you can easily put some fruit in a low carb food program.

Personal attacks again?

I have no interest in debating with people incapable of keeping cool

Call it "losing" if you will, i don't really care.

You mean you have no interest in debating with someone who uses facts as a weapon. You never admitted you were wrong while you clearly were. You started the personal attacks with calling me a liar (in other words)

Saying my information was not good.. telling me that repeating myself would not make it any more true.

Then the facts came out again and several others agreed and showed you the error of your way with yet more facts.

You never so much acknowledged them.

I never called or implied that anyone was a liar.

I believe we are all in good faith here,otherwise there is no point in debating

But clearly I was wrong,so there is no point to continue this discussion.

Edited June 18, 2014 by Kitsune

[ronz28]

Here is a list of high density nutritionally super-foods that will do your body good to prevent chronic disease, cancer, etc. http://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2014/13_0390.htm#Tables

Kale is usually at the top of such lists but is ranked further down in this one. As usual this list of foods is not in itself sufficient as Vegans need B12 supplementation preferably with the sublingual form such as Methyl Cobalamin B12 to assure it gets into the blood stream. However, no fish, meat, eggs, poultry, cheese, milk, sugar, etc. is necessary and, to me, is detrimental and is carcinogenic especially with what they pump animals full of these days to maximize profits.

[robblok]

Here is a list of high density nutritionally super-foods that will do your body good to prevent chronic disease, cancer, etc. http://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2014/13_0390.htm#Tables

Kale is usually at the top of such lists but is ranked further down in this one. As usual this list of foods is not in itself sufficient as Vegans need B12 supplementation preferably with the sublingual form such as Methyl Cobalamin B12 to assure it gets into the blood stream. However, no fish, meat, eggs, poultry, cheese, milk, sugar, etc. is necessary and, to me, is detrimental and is carcinogenic especially with what they pump animals full of these days to maximize profits.

I am taking enough cheese milk fish meat and stuff.. no sugar and plenty of veggies and some fruits. I usually juice some kale/carrot/cucumber/garlic/ginger/tomato/lime/bitter gourd in the morning add some protein powder and breakfast is ready. It tastes like crap but im sure it does some good to my body.

On the other hand.. you are saying bad things about meat.. now here in Thailand i think veggies can kill you too. Its not like back in the

West where there are regulations about pesticides. I still take my veggies but I would not count on them being always that good. I also recall reading about veggies being sprayed with formalhyde to keep them green longer in many market in Thailand.

[ronz28]

Pesticides are certainly a problem & perhaps more so in some places than others. Pesticides are concentrated in the fat of humans and animals so that that avoiding animal fat is a good thing but all fish, meat has some concentration of pesticides, etc. of contaminated food that they are fed over the years that we ultimately consume. Yet whatever we eat certain fruits and vegetables naturally prevent the absorption of pesticides due to their hard skins or they too fast for bugs to do damage, etc. like the clean fifteen (avocados, sweet corn, pineapples, cabbage, sweet peas- frozen, onions, asparagus, mangoes, papayas, kiwi, eggplant, grapefruit, cantaloupe, cauliflower, sweet potatoes). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesticides_in_the_United_States#Clean_15

There is also the detoxifiers like cilantro (pak chee in Thai) and many fruits and vegetables that are heart attack, cancer, diabetes, dementia, etc. fighters and preventers regardless of the normal level of costly pesticides used but we just can't get around nuclear contamination of tuna, salmon and other fatty long lived fish that travel the worlds oceans to get their dose of Fukushima radiation or the animals fed their fish meal.

[h90]

Pesticides are certainly a problem & perhaps more so in some places than others. Pesticides are concentrated in the fat of humans and animals so that that avoiding animal fat is a good thing but all fish, meat has some concentration of pesticides, etc. of contaminated food that they are fed over the years that we ultimately consume. Yet whatever we eat certain fruits and vegetables naturally prevent the absorption of pesticides due to their hard skins or they too fast for bugs to do damage, etc. like the clean fifteen (avocados, sweet corn, pineapples, cabbage, sweet peas- frozen, onions, asparagus, mangoes, papayas, kiwi, eggplant, grapefruit, cantaloupe, cauliflower, sweet potatoes). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesticides_in_the_United_States#Clean_15

There is also the detoxifiers like cilantro (pak chee in Thai) and many fruits and vegetables that are heart attack, cancer, diabetes, dementia, etc. fighters and preventers regardless of the normal level of costly pesticides used but we just can't get around nuclear contamination of tuna, salmon and other fatty long lived fish that travel the worlds oceans to get their dose of Fukushima radiation or the animals fed their fish meal.

Well when I was at university onion was the prime example for big problems. Everyone used pesticides forbidden in Europe, illegal imported from USA in amounts forbidden everywhere. These go inside the onion, so removing the outer layer won't help.

Problem were nematodes and it was always mentioned how the United States have an advantage with their strong pesticides. Unless something has changed I don't believe the Onion.

I had pineapple plants and they all got some insects eating the tops of their leaves so I guess they are also in doubt.

[JSixpack]

Here is a list of high density nutritionally super-foods that will do your body good to prevent chronic disease, cancer, etc. http://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2014/13_0390.htm#Tables

Kale is usually at the top of such lists but is ranked further down in this one. As usual this list of foods is not in itself sufficient as Vegans need B12 supplementation preferably with the sublingual form such as Methyl Cobalamin B12 to assure it gets into the blood stream. However, no fish, meat, eggs, poultry, cheese, milk, sugar, etc. is necessary and, to me, is detrimental and is carcinogenic especially with what they pump animals full of these days to maximize profits.

I am taking enough cheese milk fish meat and stuff.. no sugar and plenty of veggies and some fruits. I usually juice some kale/carrot/cucumber/garlic/ginger/tomato/lime/bitter gourd in the morning add some protein powder and breakfast is ready. It tastes like crap but im sure it does some good to my body.

On the other hand.. you are saying bad things about meat.. now here in Thailand i think veggies can kill you too. Its not like back in the

West where there are regulations about pesticides. I still take my veggies but I would not count on them being always that good. I also recall reading about veggies being sprayed with formalhyde to keep them green longer in many market in Thailand.

True. No matter how clean my veggies look, I still wash them in a vinegar solution. Of course, pesticides are inside the veggies too. Oh, well, TIT.

Veggies from the local fresh market are usually cheaper but they're often so dirty they'd need a scrubbing w/ a brush. I'm lazy. And maybe the chance of pesticides is higher?

I once asked a Thai friend about meat in the local markets. You know, that w/ all the flies and road dust all over it, sitting around on whatever. She assured me there's no problem, just wash it off and cook it thoroughly. Maybe so, but I never could quite bring myself to believe it.

[robblok]

Here is a list of high density nutritionally super-foods that will do your body good to prevent chronic disease, cancer, etc. http://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2014/13_0390.htm#Tables

Kale is usually at the top of such lists but is ranked further down in this one. As usual this list of foods is not in itself sufficient as Vegans need B12 supplementation preferably with the sublingual form such as Methyl Cobalamin B12 to assure it gets into the blood stream. However, no fish, meat, eggs, poultry, cheese, milk, sugar, etc. is necessary and, to me, is detrimental and is carcinogenic especially with what they pump animals full of these days to maximize profits.

I am taking enough cheese milk fish meat and stuff.. no sugar and plenty of veggies and some fruits. I usually juice some kale/carrot/cucumber/garlic/ginger/tomato/lime/bitter gourd in the morning add some protein powder and breakfast is ready. It tastes like crap but im sure it does some good to my body.

On the other hand.. you are saying bad things about meat.. now here in Thailand i think veggies can kill you too. Its not like back in the

West where there are regulations about pesticides. I still take my veggies but I would not count on them being always that good. I also recall reading about veggies being sprayed with formalhyde to keep them green longer in many market in Thailand.

True. No matter how clean my veggies look, I still wash them in a vinegar solution. Of course, pesticides are inside the veggies too. Oh, well, TIT.

Veggies from the local fresh market are usually cheaper but they're often so dirty they'd need a scrubbing w/ a brush. I'm lazy. And maybe the chance of pesticides is higher?

I once asked a Thai friend about meat in the local markets. You know, that w/ all the flies and road dust all over it, sitting around on whatever. She assured me there's no problem, just wash it off and cook it thoroughly. Maybe so, but I never could quite bring myself to believe it.

I would not buy meat at the local fresh market.. but fruits and vegetables that is a different thing. I go to the local fresh market quite often its real close and saves me a much longer trip to the Big C.

Pesticide wise I am not sure.. either could have their problems i doubt the Big C buys it all from the same source.. might also buy local.

[h90]

Here is a list of high density nutritionally super-foods that will do your body good to prevent chronic disease, cancer, etc. http://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2014/13_0390.htm#Tables

Kale is usually at the top of such lists but is ranked further down in this one. As usual this list of foods is not in itself sufficient as Vegans need B12 supplementation preferably with the sublingual form such as Methyl Cobalamin B12 to assure it gets into the blood stream. However, no fish, meat, eggs, poultry, cheese, milk, sugar, etc. is necessary and, to me, is detrimental and is carcinogenic especially with what they pump animals full of these days to maximize profits.

I am taking enough cheese milk fish meat and stuff.. no sugar and plenty of veggies and some fruits. I usually juice some kale/carrot/cucumber/garlic/ginger/tomato/lime/bitter gourd in the morning add some protein powder and breakfast is ready. It tastes like crap but im sure it does some good to my body.

On the other hand.. you are saying bad things about meat.. now here in Thailand i think veggies can kill you too. Its not like back in the

West where there are regulations about pesticides. I still take my veggies but I would not count on them being always that good. I also recall reading about veggies being sprayed with formalhyde to keep them green longer in many market in Thailand.

True. No matter how clean my veggies look, I still wash them in a vinegar solution. Of course, pesticides are inside the veggies too. Oh, well, TIT.

Veggies from the local fresh market are usually cheaper but they're often so dirty they'd need a scrubbing w/ a brush. I'm lazy. And maybe the chance of pesticides is higher?

I once asked a Thai friend about meat in the local markets. You know, that w/ all the flies and road dust all over it, sitting around on whatever. She assured me there's no problem, just wash it off and cook it thoroughly. Maybe so, but I never could quite bring myself to believe it.

I saw on the fresh market, when there were not many customer: Shop with meat, meat full with flies so he took the insect spray and sprayed the meat.....

[JSixpack]

Here is a list of high density nutritionally super-foods that will do your body good to prevent chronic disease, cancer, etc. http://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2014/13_0390.htm#Tables

Kale is usually at the top of such lists but is ranked further down in this one. As usual this list of foods is not in itself sufficient as Vegans need B12 supplementation preferably with the sublingual form such as Methyl Cobalamin B12 to assure it gets into the blood stream. However, no fish, meat, eggs, poultry, cheese, milk, sugar, etc. is necessary and, to me, is detrimental and is carcinogenic especially with what they pump animals full of these days to maximize profits.

I am taking enough cheese milk fish meat and stuff.. no sugar and plenty of veggies and some fruits. I usually juice some kale/carrot/cucumber/garlic/ginger/tomato/lime/bitter gourd in the morning add some protein powder and breakfast is ready. It tastes like crap but im sure it does some good to my body.

On the other hand.. you are saying bad things about meat.. now here in Thailand i think veggies can kill you too. Its not like back in the

West where there are regulations about pesticides. I still take my veggies but I would not count on them being always that good. I also recall reading about veggies being sprayed with formalhyde to keep them green longer in many market in Thailand.

True. No matter how clean my veggies look, I still wash them in a vinegar solution. Of course, pesticides are inside the veggies too. Oh, well, TIT.

Veggies from the local fresh market are usually cheaper but they're often so dirty they'd need a scrubbing w/ a brush. I'm lazy. And maybe the chance of pesticides is higher?

I once asked a Thai friend about meat in the local markets. You know, that w/ all the flies and road dust all over it, sitting around on whatever. She assured me there's no problem, just wash it off and cook it thoroughly. Maybe so, but I never could quite bring myself to believe it.

I saw on the fresh market, when there were not many customer: Shop with meat, meat full with flies so he took the insect spray and sprayed the meat.....

OMG! You must be joking.

[h90]

I am taking enough cheese milk fish meat and stuff.. no sugar and plenty of veggies and some fruits. I usually juice some kale/carrot/cucumber/garlic/ginger/tomato/lime/bitter gourd in the morning add some protein powder and breakfast is ready. It tastes like crap but im sure it does some good to my body.

On the other hand.. you are saying bad things about meat.. now here in Thailand i think veggies can kill you too. Its not like back in the

West where there are regulations about pesticides. I still take my veggies but I would not count on them being always that good. I also recall reading about veggies being sprayed with formalhyde to keep them green longer in many market in Thailand.

True. No matter how clean my veggies look, I still wash them in a vinegar solution. Of course, pesticides are inside the veggies too. Oh, well, TIT.

Veggies from the local fresh market are usually cheaper but they're often so dirty they'd need a scrubbing w/ a brush. I'm lazy. And maybe the chance of pesticides is higher?

I once asked a Thai friend about meat in the local markets. You know, that w/ all the flies and road dust all over it, sitting around on whatever. She assured me there's no problem, just wash it off and cook it thoroughly. Maybe so, but I never could quite bring myself to believe it.

I saw on the fresh market, when there were not many customer: Shop with meat, meat full with flies so he took the insect spray and sprayed the meat.....

OMG! You must be joking.

No....can't recall what meat, but not chicken was hanging on a small place. I think front side with glass back side open (not sure, it is a year or 2 ago). A lot flies.

Location Petkasem Road. IT Grand (not well known, from the The Mall Bang Ke 500 meters), opposite the street.

I had a computer repaired in the IT Grand and went to the other side so I can catch a taxi that doesn't need to U-turn. Obviously at a time with not many customer.

One zillion flies on his meat so he reached down, took a normal insect spray can from the supermarket and sprayed it up.

Other market, clean. having a fan with dirty scot tape to chase the flies away....old lady...always bought from here. I thought it is natural (silly me)

One time I sent wife....old lady explained proud that it is not from some dirty farmer, it is from clean CP factory

Somewhere in the general forum here at TV someone posted that he live near a chicken farm and when they have a disease they dead chicken are sold to feed the crocodiles in the farms (leather), but in fact the small street side shops buy them (true or not, I don't know).

Also TV.....there was an article about boys get nipples. Thai Doctors found out that it is if they eat 3 times or more!!!!!!!!!!! per day at KFC. As some of the chicken medication (I think it is the Salmonella-Statica, to suppress the Salmonella (not sure about the spelling in English????)) which after partially metabolized by the chicken (liver?) looks like estrogen for the human body.

If you give a man or even more a boy estrogen, than they develop a bit of female breasts.....

.......OK I am paranoid....but that doesn't meant that I am not right......

[ding]

Lots of recent studies showing the benefits of low carb diets especially to those who are insulin resistant. If you're insulin resistant, low carb is the golden key.

Saturated fat and cholesterol are healthy, it turns out, once you're keto adapted. The USDA food pyramid is upside down. The obesity epidemic in the USA is evidence and the solution is being ignored because the monied interests wont stand for it. There's not much money to be made by people eating low carbs and not getting diabetes, high blood pressure, and heart disease - to treat with drugs.

I eat low carbs, high fat, but too much protein to be considered a nutritional ketosis diet. I lift and want to keep muscle mass, so more protein is needed. I eat lots of grass fed organic beef. The liver does its gluconeogenisis thing, I'm sure, and my ketone levels are not very high - but I was only borderline with my bloodwork before and now am great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3oI104STzs

Dr Peter Attia: What if blaming the obese is blaming the victims? Edited July 15, 2014 by ding

[Jingthing]

Thanks, ding.

I hope everyone who still drinks the "blame obesity on obese people" Koolaid get a chance to view that video.

[robblok]

Thanks, ding.

I hope everyone who still drinks the "blame obesity on obese people" Koolaid get a chance to view that video.

Its a great video, I once was insulin resistant too. Too much carbs.. cutting them out helped a lot.

Problems are though that its more expensive as carbs are in general cheap and proteins are not.

[robblok]

For me its actually possible to go close to zero carbs if I want too. I have resisted so far as it will mean a few weeks where my mind is not as sharp as it normally is. I need that mind for my work. I have tried it but i get brain fog, I am now real close to no carbs (you always pick a few up) but at times I have had to resort to eating a few carbs when thinking went and my productivity too. I might try to do it later on once. But I read there is a 2 week adaptation cycle.

But if it means that every-time you eat some carbs after the adaptation phase you will have to go through it again then I wont do it.

[JSixpack]

For me its actually possible to go close to zero carbs if I want too. I have resisted so far as it will mean a few weeks where my mind is not as sharp as it normally is. I need that mind for my work. I have tried it but i get brain fog, I am now real close to no carbs (you always pick a few up) but at times I have had to resort to eating a few carbs when thinking went and my productivity too. I might try to do it later on once. But I read there is a 2 week adaptation cycle.

But if it means that every-time you eat some carbs after the adaptation phase you will have to go through it again then I wont do it.

9 Signs You Need to Eat More Fat

[ding]

For me its actually possible to go close to zero carbs if I want too. I have resisted so far as it will mean a few weeks where my mind is not as sharp as it normally is. I need that mind for my work. I have tried it but i get brain fog, I am now real close to no carbs (you always pick a few up) but at times I have had to resort to eating a few carbs when thinking went and my productivity too. I might try to do it later on once. But I read there is a 2 week adaptation cycle.

But if it means that every-time you eat some carbs after the adaptation phase you will have to go through it again then I wont do it.

I try to stay under 50g of carbs because that's a pretty common level - according to Dr's doing this a long time.

I just got new BW today and my A1c is 5.5. That's good for me as I was borderline diabetic when I started. My Dr says that's an excellent level but that's after we got back from LOS and too much mango sticky rice and swirl cake.

Re-adapting is no fun. That's what I'm doing now. But the Dr says I'm not insulin resistant so no need to stay under 30g C while adapting.

FWIW brain fog can be a symptom of low testosterone. Have you been tested?

[robblok]

For me its actually possible to go close to zero carbs if I want too. I have resisted so far as it will mean a few weeks where my mind is not as sharp as it normally is. I need that mind for my work. I have tried it but i get brain fog, I am now real close to no carbs (you always pick a few up) but at times I have had to resort to eating a few carbs when thinking went and my productivity too. I might try to do it later on once. But I read there is a 2 week adaptation cycle.

But if it means that every-time you eat some carbs after the adaptation phase you will have to go through it again then I wont do it.

9 Signs You Need to Eat More Fat

Thanks, though I do eat a lot of fat. However it seems I am through it now.. my mind is clear again. But I was struggeling for a few days. Not much fun when your job involves a lot of thinking.

[robblok]

For me its actually possible to go close to zero carbs if I want too. I have resisted so far as it will mean a few weeks where my mind is not as sharp as it normally is. I need that mind for my work. I have tried it but i get brain fog, I am now real close to no carbs (you always pick a few up) but at times I have had to resort to eating a few carbs when thinking went and my productivity too. I might try to do it later on once. But I read there is a 2 week adaptation cycle.

But if it means that every-time you eat some carbs after the adaptation phase you will have to go through it again then I wont do it.

I try to stay under 50g of carbs because that's a pretty common level - according to Dr's doing this a long time.

I just got new BW today and my A1c is 5.5. That's good for me as I was borderline diabetic when I started. My Dr says that's an excellent level but that's after we got back from LOS and too much mango sticky rice and swirl cake.

Re-adapting is no fun. That's what I'm doing now. But the Dr says I'm not insulin resistant so no need to stay under 30g C while adapting.

FWIW brain fog can be a symptom of low testosterone. Have you been tested?

I can garantee you my test is not low.. and yes I do regular blood tests so I know what is going on in my body. The tests are cheap and i scan them and archive them for future reference.

[JSixpack]

But now there's this:

Low-Carb Diet Trumps Low-Fat Diet In Major New Study

The NY Times reports on a new study (abstract) showing that low-carb diets have better health benefits than low-fat diets in a test without calorie restrictions. "By the end of the yearlong trial, people in the low-carbohydrate group had lost about eight pounds more on average than those in the low-fat group. They had significantly greater reductions in body fat than the low-fat group, and improvements in lean muscle mass — even though neither group changed their levels of physical activity. While the low-fat group did lose weight, they appeared to lose more muscle than fat. They actually lost lean muscle mass, which is a bad thing,' Dr. Mozaffarian said.

--http://beta.slashdot.org/story/206679